     The  F I D O N E W S      Volume 18, Number 43             22 Oct 2001 
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         Copyright 2001 by Frank L. Vest, Editor for Fidonews Globally.


                        Table of Contents
     1. FOOD FOR THOUGHT  .........................................  1
     2. NET NEWS  .................................................  2
        NET382 BBQ Meeting Saturday Nov. 3rd  .....................  2
     3. GENERAL ARTICLES  .........................................  3
        SETI - Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence  ..........  3
        The Seven Wonders of the World  ...........................  3
     4. GUEST EDITORIAL  ..........................................  5
        Deaf, Blind... and Kindness  ..............................  5
     5. FIDONET WEB PAGE REVIEWS  .................................  7
        Collin County Station - Web Page Review  ..................  7
     6. FIDONET NOTICES  ..........................................  8
        Daylight Savings Time is Coming  ..........................  8
        New E-Mail Address for Editor  ............................  8
     7. COMIX IN ASCII  ...........................................  9
        Cows  .....................................................  9
     8. CLEAN HUMOR & JOKES  ...................................... 10
        Super-duper Computer  ..................................... 10
        Old Guys  ................................................. 10
        Speeding Excuse  .......................................... 12
     9. TODD COCHRANE'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING  ................. 14
        Fidonet/BBS Software Listing's*  .......................... 14
     10. JOE JARED'S FIDONET BY INTERNET  ......................... 20
        Fidonet-related sites  .................................... 20
     11. CALENDAR  ................................................ 26
        This Week's Calandar  ..................................... 26
     12. OTHER STUFF  ............................................. 27
        America and God  .......................................... 27
        FEDERAL NET ASSISTANCE  ................................... 28
     13. FIDONEWS INFORMATION  .................................... 31
        How to Submit an Article  ................................. 31
        Credits, Legal Infomation, Availability  .................. 32
        Nodelist Stats  ........................................... 33
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                             FOOD FOR THOUGHT
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     Television - a medium. So called because it is neither rare nor
     well-done.
                                 --Ernie Kovacs

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                                 NET NEWS
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                      NET382 BBQ Meeting Saturday Nov. 3rd
                     Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 07:50:44 -0500
               From: "George Vandervort" <georgev@austin.rr.com>

     a change to 1:00 pm to allow travel time and improve attendence..
     ======================================================================
     **>  N O T I C E  -  N O T I C E  -  N O T I C E  -  N O T I C E   <**
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     Hello ALL Net382 Sysops/Co-Sysop's/Co-Sysop's/Points/Guests

     What:   It is time for the Saturday Nov. 3rd, 2001  Net382 Meeting!

     Where:  City Market BBQ, Hwy 183 in  Luling, TX

     When:   First Saturday, at 1:00pm (until we all leave)

     Who:    Net 382 Sysops/Co-Sysop's (Wives, Sweethearts -- or both)
             ankle-biters & rug-rats are Optional..  <grin>

     Why: Mass consumption of mass production, conversation,
          sneakernetting, Q&A. rubbing elbows with Gary Crain,Mike
          Tripp,John Foster, Bill Eastman, Jim Westbrook and others, Mike
          Luther and Anson (maybe), and maybe Steve G. (R19C) (maybe)

     How:    Be there or be talked about...  :-)

     City Market BBQ has been rated by Texas Monthly Magazine as one of the
     TOP 10 BBQ establesments in Texas.. (bring your own forks), food is
     served on Butcher paper..

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                             GENERAL ARTICLES
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                SETI - Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence
                                 By Frank Vest
                                   1:124/6308

      I heard about the SETI program and thought "I should join this
     thing... just for fun." When I heard about it, my computers were a
     little smaller and not near as powerful as they are now. I still
     don't have a super computer, but who knows what the future might
     bring. :-)

      There I was... just prowling the Internet and thinking about some
     setup to some things on the computers and such. The thought hits me!
     "I'm going to have a DSL connection soon, the computers here are idle
     quite a bit.... Why not check into this again?"

      The Fidonews Editor and 1:124/6308 are now part of the SETI program.
     Yes, I know it's probably not going to find ET or anything else, but
     what the heck. It's interesting and doesn't seem to hurt anything on
     my systems... AND... I discovered that there is a group in the SETI
     program for Fidonet! :)

      Well... Of course there is a group for Fidonet in SETI. Fidonet has
     been around for a while. We are a diverse bunch and are computer nuts.
     :) Fidonet is known for being helpful and we're all good people. Why
     shouldn't there be a Fidonet group in something like this?

     Why should you join?  Maybe you shouldn't... that's up to you. I did
     discover that if you join one of the groups, you can have a link to
     your web page with your name in the group for other visitors to click
     on. Heck, it's free advertising. There's no requirement for you to
     continue in the program... you can leave when you want. It's kind of
     fun to watch the data being crunched on your computer. The data is
     only processed when the screen saver is running. Besides... You might
     find ET. :-))

     Jump over to the SETI web page at http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/
     and see what you think. Check in the "Groups" area and do a search for
     Fidonet. You'll find the "Web Idiot" there at, or close to, the bottom
     of the list. :)

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                            Taken from the Internet
                              wdbonner@pacbell.net
                          Through the eyes of a child
                         The Seven Wonders of the World

     A group of Geography students studied the Seven Wonders of the World.
     At the end of that session, the students were asked to list what they
     considered to be the Seven Wonders of the World.  Though there was
     some disagreement, the following got the most votes:
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     1. Egypt's Great Pyramids
     2. Taj Mahal,
     3. Grand Canyon,
     4. Panama Canal,
     5. Empire State Building,
     6. St. Peter's Basilica,
     7. China's Great Wall.

     While gathering the votes, the teacher noted that one student, a quiet
     little girl hadn't turned in her paper yet. So she asked the girl if
     she was having trouble with her list.

     The quiet girl replied, "Yes, a little. I couldn't quite make up my
     mind, because there were so many."

     The teacher said, "Well, tell us what you have, and maybe we can
     help."

     The girl hesitated, then read, "I think the Seven Wonders of the World
     are...
     1. to touch
     2. to taste
     3. to see
     4. to hear
     She hesitated a little, and then
     5. to run
     6. to laugh
     7. and to love

     It is far too easy for us to look at the exploits of man and refer to
     them as "wonders" while we overlook all TRUE WONDERS, taking them for
     granted as merely "ordinary."

     May you be reminded today of those things which are truly wondrous in
     our lives.

     Ol'wdb

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                              GUEST EDITORIAL
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                   From: Warren Bonner <wdbonner@pacbell.net>
                          Deaf, Blind... and Kindness
                               by Mildred Hondorf

     MAY PEACE FIND YOU AND MAY YOU ALWAYS BE KIND.......

      At the prodding of my friends, I am writing this story.
      My name is Mildred Hondorf. I am a former elementary school music
     teacher from DeMoines, Iowa. I've always supplemented my income by
     teaching piano lessons- something I've done for over 30 years.  Over
     the years I found that children have many levels of musical ability.
     I've never had the pleasure of having a protege though I have taught
     some talented students. However I've also had my share of what I call
     "musicially challenged" pupils.

      One such student was Robby. Robby was 11 years old when his mother (a
     single mom) dropped him off for his first piano lesson. I prefer that
     students especially boys!) begin at an earlier age, which I explained
     to  Robby. But Robby said that it had always been his mother's dream
     to hear him play the piano. So I took him as a student.

     Well, Robby began with his piano lessons and from the beginning I
     thought it was a hopeless endeavor. As much as Robby tried, he lacked
     the sense of tone and basic rhythm needed to excel. But he dutifully
     reviewed his scales and some elementary pieces that I require all my
     students to learn. Over the months he tried and tried while I listened
     and cringed and tried to encourage him.  At the end of each weekly
     lesson he'd always say, "My mom's going to hear me play some day." But
     it seemed hopeless. He just did not have  any inborn ability. I only
     knew his mother from a distance as she dropped Robby off or waited in
     her aged car to pick him up.  She always waved and smiled but never
     stopped in. Then one day Robby stopped coming to our lessons. I
     thought about calling him but assumed, because of his lack of ability,
     that he had decided to pursue something else. I also was glad that he
     stopped coming. He was a bad advertisement for my teaching!

     Several weeks later I mailed to the student's homes a flyer on the
     upcoming recital. To my surprise Robby (who also received the flyer)
     asked me if he could be in the recital. I told him that the recital
     was for current pupils and because he had dropped out he really did
     not qualify.

     He said that his mom had been sick and unable to take him to piano
     lessons but he was still practicing. "Miss Hondorf...I've just got to
     play!" he insisted. I don't know what led me to allow him to play in
     the recital.  Maybe it was his persistence or maybe it was something
     inside of me saying that it would be alright.

     The night for the recital came. The high school gymnasium was packed
     with parents, friends and relatives. I put Robby up last in the
     program before I was to come up and thank all the students and play a
     finishing piece.  I thought that any damage he would do would come at
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     the end of the program and I could always salvage his through my
     "curtain closer."

     Well, the recital went off without a hitch. The students had been
     practicing and it showed. Then Robby came up on stage. His clothes
     were wrinkled  and his hair looked like he' run an egg beater through
     it.

     "Why didn't he dress up like the other students?" I thought, "Why
     didn't his mother at least make him comb his hair for this special
     night?"

      Robby pulled out the piano bench and he began.  I was very surprised
     when he announced that he had chosen Mozart's Concerto #21 in C Major.
     I was  not prepared for what I heard next. His fingers were light on
     the keys, they even danced nimbly on the ivories. He went from
     pianissimo to fortissimo...from allegro to virtuoso. His suspended
     chords that Mozart demands were magnificent!  Never had I heard Mozart
     played so well by people his age.  After six and a half minutes he
     ended in a grand crescendo and everyone was on their feet in wild
     applause. Overcome and in tears I ran up on stage and put my arms
     around Robby in joy. "I've never heard you play like that Robby! How'd
     you do it?"

     Through the microphone Robby explained:
      "Well Miss Hondorf... remember I told you my mom was sick? Well
     actually she had cancer and passed away this morning. And well....she
     was born deaf so tonight was the first time she ever heard me play.  I
     just wanted to make it special."

      There wasn't a dry eye in the house that evening. As the people from
     Social Services led Robby from the stage to be  placed into foster
     care, I noticed that their eyes were red and puffy and I thought to
     myself how much richer my life had been for taking Robby as my pupil.

      No, I've never had a protege but that night I became a protege, ...of
     Robby's.  He was the teacher and I was the pupil  For it is he that
     taught me the meaning of perseverance and love and believing in
     yourself and maybe even taking a chance in someone and you don't know
     why.

      This is especially meaningful to me since after serving in Desert
     Storm Robby was killed in the senseless bombing of the Alfred P.
     Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City in April of 1995, where he
     was reportedly....playing the piano.

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                         FIDONET WEB PAGE REVIEWS
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                    Collin County Station - Web Page Review
                                 By Frank Vest

     It feels kinda strange to be reviewing my own web page, but here goes.
     :-)

     The URL for the Collin County Station BBS Web Page has changed. The
     new URL is;

     http://pages.sbcglobal.net/flv

     I'm happy that the tilde (~) is gone from the URL.  The old site is
     still up and functional and I'll get around to putting a "redirect"
     there in the future. I've still got some months on my old ISP to use
     up. :)  Please make a note of the new address and update any links you
     might have.

     The page really hasn't changed much. It still has the Fido dog graphic
     and link to the actual Fidonet page by clicking on the dog. I've
     changed "hit counters" since the old one from my old ISP obviously
     won't work on the new address. I did keep the running total of hits
     intact.

     There's a link with the Texas flag to one of my other sites. It is
     about Collin County Texas and has links to some of the towns in the
     county. If you're curious about what Collin County Texas has in it,
     check there. :-)

     Once you get to the Fidonet page, you'll find a pull down menu with
     links to Fidonet information and some links on the page itself. I'm
     rather happy with the page, but I don't want to "toot my horn" too
     much about it. I mainly wanted to announce the new URL.

     If you get a chance and are bored, drop by and check this page out,
     You just might like it. :-))

     Regards,

      Frank - Sysop, Collin County Station BBS - 1:124/6308

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                              FIDONET NOTICES
     =================================================================

                        Daylight Savings Time is Coming

     For those of us who observe it, Daylight Savings Time is coming.
     Oct. 28th, 2001... Don't forget to change your clocks. "Fall back" one
     hour. :)

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                         New E-Mail Address for Editor
                                 By Frank Vest
                             fidonews@sbcglobal.net

      Last week, I made mention that I would have a new E-Mail address due
     to the install of DSL Internet. The install went fine and I have a new
     address for Fidonews submissions. To submit articles to the Fidonews,
     send them to;

     fidonews@sbcglobal.net

     I've made this E-Mail address specially for submission of articles and
     to contact the Fidonews Editor. You should notice the change in the
     Fidonews Banner and elsewhere in the Fidonews. If I missed making a
     change and you notice it, please let me know.

     Please update your records, address books and whatever else needed to
     reflect the new address. Articles sent to the old address will not be
     accepted after this edition and the old address will soon be history.

     Note! This address is for article submission and contacting the
     Fidonews Editor ONLY. Please DO NOT spam this address. Please DO NOT
     send HTML.

     Regards,

      Frank

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      |    JAIL     |  |  |oo|  | |         H   | |  | |     H    | STOP |
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      Some cows get in trouble...              Cattle Guard


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                            CLEAN HUMOR & JOKES
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                            Super-duper Computer
                       submitted by: wdbonner@pacbell.net

     Little Johnny was a very bright little guy.  When he was 10 his dad
     passed away.  He always wondered if his dad went to heaven or hell. He
     did excellent in his school classes and went on to Yale and graduated
     at the head of his class in computer science. After graduation he went
     to work for IBM as they had the most powerful, super-duper, computer
     that one could possibly answer any question of a logical nature.  The
     computer passed every test he put it to.  It even told him his entire
     ancestry when he ask it about his own origin.

     It was then that he remembered that he had always wondered if there
     was really a heaven and a hell.  He thought that this super computer
     could possibly answer that eternal question.  But how to phrase the
     question so the computer could properly respond?  He decided to ask it
     if his daddy went to heaven.  The computer never failed any task  he
     had assigned to it.  He sat down at the console and typed: "Where is
     my daddy?"

     The hard drive lights winked and blinked and the screen responded,
     "Your daddy's fishing at his favorite mountain trout lake".  Johnny
     was totally shocked. He decided the computer had misunderstood the
     question. So he asked the computer, "where is my father"? The computer
     came back with the same answer.  This left him in total disbelief.
     Then he got another idea, the computer works only on logical problems
     and after rethinking his question he typed: "Where is my mother's
     husband"?

     Instantly the screen responded: " your mother's husband died when you
     were ten years old, and your father is still fishing in his favorite
     mountain trout lake".

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                                    Old Guys
                          From an E-Mail to Frank Vest


     On September 11th I indicated that if I could, I'd enlist again and
     help my country track down those responsible for killing thousands of
     innocent people in New York City and Washington, D.C. But I'm 60 now
     and the Armed Forces says I'm too old to track down terrorists. You
     can't be older than 35 to join the Army.

     They've got the whole thing backwards. Instead of sending 18-year-olds
     off to fight, they ought to take us old guys. You shouldn't be able to
     join until you're at least 35.

     For starters:

      -- Researchers say 18-year-olds think about sex every 10 seconds. Old
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     guys only think about sex every 15 seconds, leaving us more than
     28,000 additional seconds per day to concentrate on the enemy.

      -- Young guys haven't lived long enough to be cranky and a cranky
     soldier is a dangerous soldier. If we can't kill the enemy we'll
     complain them into submission. "My back hurts!" "I'm hungry!" "Where's
     the remote control?"

      -- An 18-year-old hasn't had a legal beer yet and you shouldn't go to
     war until you're at least old enough to legally drink. An average old
     guy, on the other hand, has consumed 126,000 gallons of beer by the
     time he's 35 and a jaunt through the desert heat with a backpack and
     M-60 would do wonders for the beer belly.

      -- An 18-year-old doesn't like to get up before 10 a.m. Old guys get
     up early just to show we can (and to steal the neighbor's newspaper).

      -- If old guys were captured we couldn't spill the beans because we'd
     probably forget where we put them. In fact, name, rank and serial
     number would be a real brain teaser.

      If it wasn't for the age barrier, I'd pretty much get into the Army
     without a hitch. According to the Army Internet site, I'd need to pass
     an entrance exam (officially called an ASVAB), but the sample
     questions I saw weren't exactly headache material.

      For example:
      A magnet will attract:
      a) water
      b) a flower
      c) a cloth rag
      d) a nail
      I took a wild stab and guessed, "nail," knowing they'd probably stick
     me in some desk job with Army Intelligence after Boot Camp.

      If 12 workers are needed to run 4 machines, how many workers are
     needed to run 20 machines?
      a) 16
      b) 18
      c) 3
      d) 60
      Let's see...three workers per machine times 20 machines
     ...errr...hmmm...uhhh...60?

      Finally, they wanted to know if I had command of the English
     language, just in case I had to describe an enemy camp from memory.

      Small most nearly means:
      a) Sturdy
      b) Round
      c) Cheap
      d) Little
     I knew this cheap, little sturdy guy once, but I wrote down little.

      Now you know where the first questions come from for the "Who Wants
     To Be A Millionaire" game show.
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      Boot camp would actually be easier for old guys. We're used to
     getting screamed and yelled at and we actually like soft food. We've
     also developed a deep appreciation for guns and rifles. We like them
     almost better than naps. The Army could lighten up on the obstacle
     course, however. I've been to the desert and didn't see a single
     20-foot wall with rope hanging over the side. I can hear the Drill
     Sergeant now. "Drop down and give me...er...one!"

      And the running part is kind of a waste of energy. I've never seen
     anyone outrun a bullet.

      I'm reminded of the story of the young bull and the old bull standing
     on a hill looking down on the cows. "Let's run down there and make
     love to one of those cows," says the young bull. "How about we WALK
     down there and make love to ALL those cows," replies the old bull.

      Patience is something most 18-year-olds simply do not have. For good
     reason, too. An 18-year-old has the whole world ahead of him. He's
     still learning to shave. To actually carry on a conversation. To wear
     pants without the top of the butt crack showing and the boxer shorts
     sticking out. To learn that a pierced tongue catches food particles.
     And that a 200-watt speaker in the back seat of a Honda Accord can
     rupture an eardrum.

      All great reasons to keep our sons at home to learn a little more
     about life before sending them off to a possible death. Let us old
     guys track down those dirty, rotten cowards who attacked our hearts
     one month ago today. The last thing they'd want to see right now is a
     couple of million old guys with attitude!

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                                Speeding Excuse
                          From an E-Mail to Frank Vest

     There was a middle aged guy who bought a brand new Mercedes
     Convertible SLK. He took off down the road, flooring it up to 80 mph
     and enjoying the wind blowing through what little hair he had left on
     his head.

     "This is great," he thought and floored it some more. He looked in his
     rear view mirror and there was a Florida Highway Patrol Trooper behind
     him, blue lights flashing and siren blasting. "I can get away from him
     with no problem," thought the man and he floored it some more and flew
     down the road at over 100 mph. Then he thought, "What am I doing? I'm
     too old for this kind of thing" and pulled over to the side of the
     road and waited for the State Trooper to catch up with him.

     The Trooper pulled in behind the Mercedes and walked up to the man.

     "Sir," he said, looking at his watch. "My shift ends in 30 minutes and
     today is Friday the 13th. If you can give me a reason why you were
     speeding that I've never heard before, I'll let you go."

     The man looked at the Trooper and said, "Last week my wife ran off
     with a State Trooper, and I thought you were bringing her back."
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     The State Trooper said, "Have a nice day."

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     =================================================================
                 TODD COCHRANE'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING
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                        *Fidonet/BBS Software Listing's*

     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                                  BBS Software
     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
     BBBS Home Page
     b@bbbs.net
     http://www.bbbs.net/

     ELEBBS- The Elevator Software Productions Web Page
     elebbs@elebbs.com
     http://www.elebbs.com/

     Hermes II Project (Mac)
     info@HermesII.org
     http://www.hermesii.org/

     Maximus BBS Support Page (Non Official)
     sales@lainus.com
     http://www.vector11.com/maximus/

     MBSE BBS
     Michiel Broek + development team
     mbroek@users.sourceforge.net
     http://mbse.sourceforge.net
     2:2802/2 Michiel Broek.

     Mystic BBS
     http://www.mysticbbs.com/mystic/

     Nexus Bulletin Board System
     groberts@nexusbbs.net
     http://www.nexusbbs.net/

     Proboard
     Telegrafix Communications Inc.
     info@telegrafix.com
     540-678-4050
     http://www.telegrafix.com

     RemoteAccess Central
     Bruce Morse
     bfmorse@rapro.com
     http://www.rapro.com/

     Searchlight
     Telegrafix Communications Inc.
     info@telegrafix.com
     540-678-4050
     http://www.telegrafix.com

     Spitfire BBS
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     Buffalo Creek Software
     MDWoltz@AOL.COM
     http://www.angelfire.com/ia/buffalo/index.html

     Synchronet BBS
     sysop@vert.synchro.net
     http://www.synchro.net

     Telegard BBS
     support@telegard.net
     http://www.telegard.net/

     Wildcat Interactive Net Server (BBS)
     Santronics Inc.
     sales@santronics.com
     (305)248-3204
     http://www.santronics.com

     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                                 Door Software
     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
     Bentstone Capabilities Group
     info@stonebenders.com
     http://www.srupc.com/mall

     Jibben Software
     scott@jibben.com
     http://www.jibbensoftware.com/

     JNS Software Door Games
     Rusty Johnson
     rustyjohnson57@hotmail.com
     304-733-0113
     http://www.geocities.com/jnssoftware/

     Legend Of The Red Dragon Reborn (L.O.R.D.)
     http://www.lordlegacy.org/

     PC Pursuits
     brucep@pop.kis.net
     (301)240-6653
     http://www.pcpursuits.com/products.htm

     S and T Software
     Mark Bappe
     mark.bappe@bozax.iainc.net
     (770)788-6843
     http://bozax.iainc.net/public/

     Shinning Star BBS Doors
     nannette@shiningstar.net
     http://www.shiningstar.net/bbsdoors/

     Sunrise Door Software
     Al Lawerence
     al@sunrisedoors.com
     FIDONEWS 18-43               Page 16                  22 Oct 2001


     (404)256-9518
     http://www.sunrisedoors.com/

     The Brainex System
     info@brainex.com
     http://www.brainex.com/brainex_system/

     Trade Wars Door Game
     jpritch@eisonline.com
     http://www.eisonline.com/tradewars/
     1:299/110

     Vagabond Software
     Bryan Turner
     vagabond@darktech.org
     http://vagabond.virtualave.net/
     1:124/7013

     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                                  Mail Tossers
     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
     FMail Support
     wijnstra@fmail.nl.eu.org
     http://fmail.nl.eu.org/
     2:280/1076

     Squish Tosser
     http://www.lanius.com/squish.htm

     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                                Mailer Software
     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
     FrontDoor, FrontDoor APX, Mailer/Point Software
     Definite Solutions
     sales@defsol.se
     http://www.defsol.se/

     BeeMail Home Page
     http://beemail.gexonline.net
     Stephen Proffit
     1:211/405

     BinkleyTerm XE Frontend Mailer Software
     http://btxe.sourceforge.net/

     Plantinum Express for Wildcat
     Santronics Inc.
     sales@santronics.com
     (305)248-3204
     http://www.santronics.com

     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                         Fidonet via Internet Software
     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
     Argus
     RITLABS
     FIDONEWS 18-43               Page 17                  22 Oct 2001


     argus@ritlabs.com
     373-2-246889
     http://www.ritlabs.com/argus/
     2:469/84

     BinkD
     maloff@corbina.net
     http://2f.ru/binkd/

     Fidogate
     Martin_Junius@m-j-s.net
     http://www.fidogate.org/

     Fidonet to Internet Mailer
     Bo Bendtsen
     sales@terminate.com
     http://www.terminate.com/fido2int.htm

     GiGo Software
     http://www.gigo.com/

     Internet Rex
     cruden@cs.ualberta.ca
     http://plaza.v-wave.com/InternetRex/

     Tmail (Russian /w English DL)
     http://www.tmail.spb.ru/index-19.htm

     TransX
     Multiboard Communications Inc.
     support@multiboard.com
     http://www.multiboard.com/software/transx.html
     1:2401/305

     TransNet
     transnet@ressl.com.ar
     http://www.ressl.com.ar/transnet/

     Watergate
     ramon@sbbs.se
     http://www2.sbbs.se/hp/ramon/

     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                                 Point Software
     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
     Definite Solutions FrontDoor APX
     http://www.defsol.se/

     JetSys - Home of JetMail, JetStat and other Atari Fidonet utilities
     http://www.jetsys.de/

     APoint
     http://www.apoint.websale.net/index.htm (Author)
     http://www.apoint-mail.de (Co-Author)

     CrossPoint ("Original" version)
     FIDONEWS 18-43               Page 18                  22 Oct 2001


     http://www.crosspoint.de
     http://www.apoint-mail.de

     CrossPoint (OpenXP Projekt)
     http://www.openxp.com (English)
     http://www.openxp.de (German)

     CrossPoint (XP2 Team)
     http://www.xp2.de

     WinPoint95
     http://www.schenksmir.de/wp/english

     The OpenXP CrossPoint Projekt
     http://www.happyarts.de/xp

     Terminate Terminal
     http://www.terminate.com

     PPoint-FTS compatible E-Mail System
     http://www.alcuf.ca/ppoint.htm

     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                      Other Software, Utillities and such
     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
     F-Prot Anti-Virus Home Page
     http://www.complex.is/cgi-bin/home_pager

     BGFAX Home Page
     http://blkbox.com/~bgfax/

     SIO, Vmodem for OS/2
     http://www.gwinn.com

     NetModem for Windows
     http://www.allensoftware.com

     Com/IP
     <http://pcmicro.com/comip

     Husky - Portable Fido Software
     http://husky.physcip.uni-stuttgart.de/

     cFos Fossil driver
     http://www.cfos.com/index_e.htm

     ADF Fossil
     http://www.digsys.se/adf.html

     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                                 Dead Links
     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

     Renegade BBS
     http://www.egate.net/renegade/

     FIDONEWS 18-43               Page 19                  22 Oct 2001


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     Contact E-mail
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     FIDONEWS 18-43               Page 20                  22 Oct 2001


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     Please send updates, corrections and suggestions to
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     FidoNet
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                   ftp://ftp.nwstar.com/fidonet/fidonews/
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     SDS Files:    http://fidobbs.dk/download (Web Access to SDS)
     FTSC page:    http://www.ftsc.org/
     General:      http://www.writebynight.com/fidonet.html
     Parody:       http://www.fidonet.ro/
     Foti          http://www.fidonet-on-the-internet.org
     History       http://www.fidonet-on-the-internet.org

     Zone 1:       http://www.z1.fidonet.org
       Region 10:  http://www.r10.org
         Net 102   http://home.earthlink.net/~kayshapero/net102.htm
         Net 103:  http://www.webworldinc.com/club103/
         Net 203:  <vacant>
       Region 11:  http://www.vector11.com/region11/
        Net 2410:  http://www.vector11.com/net2410/
       Region 13:  http://www.ispaceonline.org/region13/
         Net 109:  http://www.thelitterbox.net/fido/net109/
         Net 261:  http://www.baltimorepress.com/~net261/
         Net 275:  http://www.ispaceonline.org/net275/
         Net 267:  http://www.angelfire.com/ny4/net267/
         Net 275:  http://www.ispaceonline.org/net275/

       Region 14:  http://www.ouijabrd.com/region14
         Net 282:  http://www.rxn.com/~net282/
       Region 15:  <vacant>
       Region 16:  <vacant>
       Region 17:  http://www.region17.net
         Net 140:  http://www.nwstar.com/~net140
       Region 18:  http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/

       Region 19:  http://bise.tzo.com/r19
         Net 124:  http://www.DallasInet.com/net124/
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                   http://texoma.net/~flv
         Net 393:  http://www.chatter.com/~wb/

     Zone 2:       http://www.z2.fidonet.org
       Region 20:  http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)
       Region 23:  http://www.fido.dk (in Danish)

       Region 24:  http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German)
                   http://www.was-ist-fido.de/
         Fido-IP:  http://home.nrh.de/fido/ (English/German)
       Region 25:  <Vacant>
       Region 26:  http://www.nemesis.ie
          REC 26:  http://www.nrgsys.com/orb
       Region 27:  http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm
       Region 29:  http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/  (French)
                   http://Welcome.to/skynetbbs/
       Region 34:  http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm  (Spanish)
           REC34:  http://www.fidospain.org
       Region 36:  http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/
       Region 38:  http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html
       Region 41:  http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English)
       Region 42:  http://www.fido.cz
          Net422:  http://www.fido.sk (Slovak/English)
       Region 50:  http://www.fido7.com/  (Russian)
        Net 5010:  http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/  (Russian)
        Net 5015:  http://www.fido.nnov.ru/  (Russian)
        Net 5028:  HTTP://5028.nordnet.ru/
        Net 5030:  http://kenga.ru/fido/  (Russian & English)
     ?? Net 5049:  http://www.n5049.z2.fidonet.org  (English/Russian)
        Net 5074:  http://www.n5074.z2.fidonet.net
     ?? Net 5085:  http://www.fidonet.uz/ (Russian)

     Zone 3:       http://www.z3.fidonet.org

     Zone 4:
       Region 80:  http://fidobrasil.8m.com  (Portuguese)
       Region 90:
         Net 904:  http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish)

     Zone 5:       http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/

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       Region 65:  http://r65.yeah.net
                   http://www.cfido.com (Chinese)


                          Fidonet Via Internet Hubs


     a @ preceding an individual's name implies a virtual email
     address. The email is translated as follows
     firstname.lastname@osirusoft.com will automatically route to the
     appropriate individual's email.  Anyone in this list will
     also receive routed notice of this feature.

                v-email flag firstname.lastname@osirusoft.com
     FIDONEWS 18-43               Page 22                  22 Oct 2001


                | email address or
     Node#      | Operator          | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate
                |                   |                |latency|
     -----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
     Zone 1     |                   |                |       |
       10/3     @ Brenda Donovan    | FTP,UUE,BinkP  | 384K,30| n/c
       10/345   @ Todd Cochrane     | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,!  | n/c
       18/500   @ Ross Cassell      | FTP, BinkP     |128K+,!| n/c
      103/5     @ Mark Luetger      | BinkP          | CABLE | n/c
      103/301   @ Joe Jared         | BinkP,FTP,NFS  | 384k,!| n/c
      103/401   @ Warren Bonner     | BinkP          | aDSL,!| n/c
      105/8     @ Russ Johnson      | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k  | n/c
      105/72    @ Larry James       | FTP, BinkP     | aDSL  | $50/yr
      106/1     @ Steve Loupe       | BinkP, FTP     | 128k  | ???
      106/2000  | Bob Juge        | BinkP VMoT FTP TX| ???   | n/c
      106/6018  | Lawrence Garvin   | FTP, VMoT      | aDSL,60| n/c
      107/453   @ Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo.
      1:134/11  @ Michael Grant  | FTP, BinkP, VMoT UUE, IFCICO,TransX
                                                    aDSL, 60 | n/c
      138/146   | Marc Blakely      | BinkP,FTP      | ???   | n/c
      140/1     @ Bob Seaborn       | FTP,BinkP      | T3,30 | $5/$16
      142/906   | Chris Griffin     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      150/220   | Dave Nemeth       | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      153/7715  | Dallas Hinton     | BinkD, FTP     | CABLE | ???
      167/133   | Stephen Monteith  | BinkP          | 128k+ | n/c
      167/166   | Jesse Dooling     | POP? UUE TX FTP| ???   | n/c
      218/109   @ Matt Munson       | BinkP,UUE,TX   | 33.6k | n/c
      220/10    | groberts@nexusbbs.net |BinkP,FTP,UUE|1.5M+ | n/c
      229/1     | Phil Simpson      | BinkP UUE FTP  | ???   | n/c
      229/2000  | Robert Couture    |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ???   |
      229/622   | Dave Hamilton     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      249/116   | Carl Austin Bennett | FTP, UUE    |ADSL,60 | n/c
      250/98    | Darin McBride     | BinkP FTP TX   | ???   | n/c
      250/99    | Brent McLaren     | FTP BinkP      | ???   | n/c
      250/102   | Darin McBride     | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
      267/169   | Philip Lozier     | FTP TX         | ???   | n/c
      261/1380  | Joe Davis         | UUE TX         | ???   | n/c
      280/169   | Brian Greenstreet | FTP            | 33.6  | $2mo.
      297/11    | Michael McCabe    | TX             | ???   | n/c
      323/120   | Craig Healy       | VMoT FTP       | ???   | n/c
      342/3     @ Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP      | 128K+ | n/c
      360/5     | Bennie Hutto      | FTP VMoT       | aDSL  | n/c
      395/670   | Arthur Stark      | BinkD,FTP      | CABLE | n/c
      379/1     @ Dale Ross         | FTP, BinkP,UUE | 256K+,! n/c
      379/1200  | Chris Cranford    | BinkP FTP TX   | ???   | n/c
      393/9005  | Steve Quarrella  |BinkP TX UUE VMoT| ???   | n/c
      395/670   | Arthur Stark      | BinkP VMoT FTP | ???   | n/c
      396/45    | Marc Lewis        | UUE            | 33.6  | $26/yr
      396/48    | Ben Ritchey       | UUE:BFDS?      | 33.6k | n/c
     2215/300   | Dennis Haddox     | UUE,TX         | CABLE | n/c
     2320/38    | Janis Kracht      | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
     2410/400   | Gary Gilmore      | FTP BinkP      | 384K,60| n/c
     2410/213   | Kevin Bentz       | FTP, BinkP, UUE| Cable | n/c
     2604/104   @ Jim Mclaughlin    | FTP,VMoT,UUE   | 33.6  | $1mo
     2624/306   | David Calafrancesco  | VMoT        | 33.6  | n/c
     3613/1275  | @ jyates@bsdi.ldl.net | UUE,FTP    | 28.8  | n/c
     FIDONEWS 18-43               Page 23                  22 Oct 2001


     3407/4     | Robert Todd    |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
     3632/84    | Robert Todd    |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
     3830/5     | Jeff Schrunk      |BinkP FTP TX UUE| ???   | n/c
     3830/10   | Matt Bedynek      |FTP, BinkD      | OC3     n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 2     |
       20/11    | Henrik Lindhe     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       22/222   | Kim Heino         | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       28/1     | Lody Caenen       | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
       31/1     | Gabriel Plutzar   | BinkP          | T1+   | n/c
       37/37    | Gabor Z. Papp     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       47/999   | Andrej Kirejev    | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      201/329   | Mats Wallin       | VMoT TX        | ???   | n/c
      201/505   | Goran Eriksson    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      203/600   | Mikael Karlsson   | UUE            | 64k   | n/c
      211/37    | Torbjorn Mohn     | BN IFCICO      | ???   | n/c
      221/360   @ Tommi Koivula     | BinkP,UUE      | ???   | n/c
      236/205   @ Michael Kaaber    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      240/6298  | Steve Tell        | BinkP UUE      | ???   | n/c
      246/2098  | Volker Imre       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      252/110   | David Rance       | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      255/90    | Simon Avery       | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      263/950   | Sean Rima         | TX UUE         | ???   | n/c
      280/1027  | Lukas de Groen    | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
      280/1601  @ Jeroen VanDeLeur  | FTP,UUE        | 64k   | n/c
      280/4312  | Jos Huijnen   | BinkP ifcico UUE TX| ???   | n/c
      280/5003  | Kees van Eeten    | BinkP ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      292/620   | Eddy Missoul      | VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 64k   | n/c
      292/624   | Steven Leeman     | UUE            | 64k   | n/c
      292/854   | Ward Dossche      | BinkP UUE TX   | ???   | n/c
      292/907   | Bart Verhaeghe    | BinkP,VMoT,UUE | 64K   | n/c
      292/2003  | Eric Vaneberck    | BinkP          | 768k  | n/c
      301/1     | Peter Witschi     | BinkP          | 768k  | n/c
      332/807   | Roberto Mascolo   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      333/0     | M Gianformaggio   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      335/534   @ Mario Mure        | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k   | n/c
      335/610   | Gino Lucrezi      | UUE            | 33.6  | n/c
      341/14    | Rafael Suarez     | BinkP VMoT     | ???   | n/c
      341/51    | Jose.Maria Tejada | VMoT           |       |
      341/66    | Angel Ripoll      | VMoT           |       |
      343/168   | Jose Casanova     | VMoT           |       |
      344/201   | Julio Garcia      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      346/3     @ Carlos Navarro    | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      347/1     | Javi Polo         | UUE            |       |
      348/105   | Alejandro Estraviz| BinkP UUE      |       |
      382/100   | Sinisa Burina     | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      400/555   | Ofir Michaeli     | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      400/557   | Marius Kaizerman  | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      400/558   | Vlad Hrusca       | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      406/555   | Ofir Michaeli &   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      406/555   | Marius Kaizerman  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      423/81    | Milos Bajer       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      461/256   | Andrew Rutkas     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      461/640   | Alex Semenyaka    |BinkP ifcico UUE| ???   | n/c
      465/204   | Va Milushnikov    | BinkP          | 33.6k | n/c
      469/84    | Max Masyutin      | VMoT           | 256k  | n/c
     FIDONEWS 18-43               Page 24                  22 Oct 2001


      469/128   | Oleg Vasenyoff    | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      480/112   | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k  | n/c
      550/4077  | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE            | ----- | n/c
     2410/201   | Karsten Ebeling   | BinkP UUE      | ???   | n/c
     2411/413   @ Dennis Dittrich   | UUE,BinkP      | 64k   | n/c
     2432/200   | Sven Dueker       | BinkP TX UUE   | ???   | n/c
     2446/301   @ Lothar Behet  | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K   | n/c
     2474/275   | Christian Emig    | UUE            | 64k   | unkn
     2487/3000  | Steffen Gross     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     3830/10    | Matt Bedynek      | FTP, BinkP     | 100Mb | n/c
     5002/5002  | Victor Belyakov   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5014/4     | Alex Bagmanov     | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5020/52    | Peter Didenko     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5020/54    | Serge Wizgounoff  | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5020/69    | B Chernivetsky    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5020/238    | Sergey Gubanov   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5030/115   | Andrey Podkolzin  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5030/1251  | K Stepanekov      | UUE            | ???   | n/c
     5100/8     | Egons Bush        | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5020/1159  | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE          | 33.6  | n/c
     5049/12    | Amir Shabashvili  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5054/3     | Andrew Popov      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5080/80    | Eugene Zorin      | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5083/21    | Alexander Uskov   | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5090/2     | Andrew Titov      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5100/8     | Egons Bush        | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 3
      633/260   @ Malcolm Miles     | FTP,BinkP      | 64K   | n/c
      640/954   | Rick Van Ruth     | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c
      712/311   | Bob James         | TX             | ???   | n/c
      774/605   @ Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 4
      801/161   @ Renato Zambon     | UUE            | 33.6  |n/c
      902/18    | Javier Tejedor    | UUE            | 33,6  | n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 6
       65/3000  | Lawrence Fan      | UUE            | 33600 | free
      653/1009  | Maorong Chen      | UUE            | ???   | free
      654/0     | Bin Li            | UUE,BinkP      | 33600 | free
      654/1501  | Lawrence Fan      | UUE,BinkP      | 28800 | free

     --
     * FTP    = Internet File Transfer Protocol
     * VMoT   = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
     * UUE    = uuencode<->email type transfers
     * BinkP  = front end mailer for TCPIP networks
     * TX     = TransX
     * NFS    = Linux Networking
     * ifcico = ifcico-compatible virtual mailer
     ----------------------------------------------
     Fidonet oriented news servers

     news.osirusoft.com
     news.tardis.net
     FIDONEWS 18-43               Page 25                  22 Oct 2001


     Fidonet oriented chat rooms.

     room #fidonet  5PM (PDT 11AM GMT) Sundays
     irc.osirusoft.com  (Peers wanted)

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     FIDONEWS 18-43               Page 26                  22 Oct 2001


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     24
         Independence Day in Zambia
         Suez Victory Day in Egypt
         United Nations Day in Micronesia
     25
         Constitution Day in Lithuania
         Independence Day/Republic Day in Kazakhstan
         Taiwan Restoration Day in Taiwan
         Thanksgiving in Grenada
     26
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         National Day in Austria
     27
         Independence Day in St. Vincent & the Grenadines
         Independence Day in Turkmenistan
     28
         Day of the 1956 Revolution in Hungary
         Establishment of Independence Czechoslovakia/Day of the Republic
         in Czech Republic
         Ochi Day in Cyprus
         Ochi Day in Greece

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                              America and God
     Submitted by wdbonner@pacbell

     Are you fed up with always trying to be politically correct?

     This pretty much sums up a lot of my feelings on the subject.  And if
     any of this offends you, I will not apologize. Thank you, Barry
     Loudermilk...author of the following:

                                   -=-=-=-=-

     Broken Arrow, Oklahoma School officials remove "God Bless America"
     signs from schools in fear that someone might be offended.

     Channel 12 News in Long Island, New York, orders flags removed from
     the newsroom and red, white, and blue ribbons removed from the lapels
     of their reporters. Why? Management didn't want to appear biased and
     felt that our nations flag might give the appearance that "they lean
     one way or another."

     Berkeley, California bans US Flags from being displayed on city fire
     trucks because they didn't want to offend anyone in the community.

     In an "act of tolerance" the head of the public library at Florida
     Gulf Coast University ordered all "Proud to be an American" signs
     removed so as to not offend international students.

     I, for one, am quite disturbed by these actions of so called American
     citizens; and I am tired of this nation worrying about whether or not
     we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist
     attacks on September 11, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by
     the majority of Americans.  However, the dust from the attacks had
     barely settled in New York and Washington, DC when the "politically
     correct" crowd began complaining about the possibility that our
     patriotism was offending others.

     I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone
     who is seeking a better life by coming to America. In fact, our
     country's population is almost entirely comprised of descendants of
     immigrants; but, there are a few things that those who have recently
     come to our country, and apparently some native Americans as well,
     need to understand.

     First of all, it is not our responsibility to continually try not to
     offend you in any way. This idea of America being a multicultural
     community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national
     identity.  As Americans, we have our own culture, our own society, our
     own language, and our own lifestyle. This culture, called the
     "American Way" has been developed over centuries of struggles, trials,
     and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom.
     Our forefathers fought, bled, and died at places such as Bunker Hill,
     Antietam, San Juan, Iwo Jima, Normandy, Korea, Vietnam, and the
     FIDONEWS 18-43               Page 28                  22 Oct 2001


     Persian Gulf, for our way of life.

     We speak English, not Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or
     any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our
     society -- learn our language!

     "In God We Trust" is our national motto.  This is not some
     off-the-wall, Christian, Right Wing, political slogan -- it is our
     national motto. It is engraved in stone in the House of
     Representatives in our Capitol and it is printed on our currency.  We
     adopted this motto because Christian men and women, on Christian
     principles, founded this nation; and this is clearly documented
     throughout our history. If it is appropriate for our motto to be
     inscribed in the halls of our highest level of Government, then it is
     certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools.

     God is in our pledge, our National Anthem, nearly every patriotic
     song, and in our founding documents. We honor His birth, death, and
     resurrection as holidays, and we turn to Him in prayer in times of
     crisis.  If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part
     of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture and
     we are proud to have Him.

     We are proud of our heritage and those who have so honorably defended
     our freedoms. We celebrate Independence Day, Memorial Day, Veterans
     Day, and Flag Day. We have parades, picnics, and barbecues where we
     proudly wave our flag. As an American, I have the right to wave my
     flag, sing my national anthem, quote my national motto, and cite my
     pledge whenever and wherever I choose. If the Stars and Stripes offend
     you, or you don't like Uncle Sam, then you should seriously consider a
     move to another part of this planet.

     The American culture is our way of life, our heritage, and we are
     proud of it.  We are happy with our culture and have no desire to
     change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came
     from. We are Americans, like it or not, this is our country, our land,
     and our lifestyle.

     Our First Amendment gives every citizen the right to express his
     opinion about our government, culture, or society, and we will allow
     you every opportunity to do so. But once you are done complaining,
     whining, and griping about our flag, our pledge, our national motto,
     or our way of life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other
     great American freedom, the right to leave.

     Barry Loudermilk (C) Copyright 2001 Barry Loudermilk


     Warmest Regards, Ol'wdb

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                             FEDERAL NET ASSISTANCE
                       Submitted by wdbonner@pacbell.net

     Government addresses on the Internet.
     FIDONEWS 18-43               Page 29                  22 Oct 2001


     The challenge is knowing where to look.

     www.firstgov.gov  makes that it a lot easier.

     www.state.gov Department of Defense updates

     www.defenselink.mil  Latest remarks by President Bush

     www.whitehouse.gov/news Instant news updates

     www.spear.navy.mil/shipmail/form.asp If you want
     to send e-mail to personnel stationed on a ship.

     To narrow your search, the government offers
     other one-stop sites. These include sites for:
     Kids: www.kids.gov
     Disabilities: www.disabilitydirect.gov
     Seniors: www.seniors.gov
     Resources for the workforce: www.workers.gov

     Federal Consumer Information Center: (www.pueblo.gsa.gov
     Consumer Action Handbook:
     www.pueblo.gsa.gov/crh/respref.htm

     Social Security Administration www.ssa.gov
     Small Business Administration www.sba.gov
     U.S. Patent and Trademark Office www.uspto.gov
     Where you can apply or search for trademarks.

     Of course, Uncle Sam doesn't just dispense information. The
     government is one of the Internet's biggest vendors, ringing
     up hundreds of millions in sales each year.

     Administration's free "Guide to Federal Government Sales"
     www.pueblo.gsa.gov/cic_text/fed_prog/fedsales/fedsales.htm
     Listed in this booklet is a complete rundown of what's sold,
     how items are sold, special restrictions and contact
     information, including Web site, phone number and address
     for each agency.

     Twenty different government Departments, Services, Programs,
     Administrations or Authorities with more than 100 government
     Web sites that sell products, services or recovered property
     directly to the public:
     FedSales www.fedsales.gov
     At the GSA's auction page www.gsaauctions.gov
     find cars, planes, boats, computers, construction equipment,
     furniture, photo equipment and more.

     Real estate and vehicles acquired by the DEA, Immigration,
     Department of Justice or U.S. Attorney offices:
     www.bid4assets.com

     For property collected by the Postal Service:
     http://pages.ebay.com/promo/usps.html

     FIDONEWS 18-43               Page 30                  22 Oct 2001


     I hope this list will be saved to your "Favorite Folder" to assist you
     in federal departmental searches.

     Ol'wdb

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                                 Nodelist Stats

      INPUT NODELIST FILE      : NODELIST.292
      File has a Date Stamp of : 10/19/2001
      File Size (uncompressed) :   1201.25 KBytes.

      The Input Nodelist file  has 11087 Nodes in it
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      The list has     6 Zones listed.
                      67 Region Coordinators listed.
                     498 Network Hosts listed.
                     753 Hubs listed.
                     343 DOWN Nodes listed.
                     864 PRIVATE Nodes listed.
                     517 HOLD Nodes listed.

      Administrative overhead = 1324 ( 11.94 %)
      PRIVATE NODES overhead  = 864 (  7.79 %)

      Baud Rate Summary (or, BPS, for the die-hard technocrats):
            9600 =   9517 (  85.84 %)
                        (HST's =  204 or   2.14 % of the 9600 baud modems.)
                        (CSP's =    2 or   0.02 % of the 9600 baud modems.)
                        (PEP's =   16 or   0.17 % "        "    "     "   )
                        (MAX's =    0 or   0.00 % "        "    "     "   )
                        (HAY's =    3 or   0.03 % "        "    "     "   )
                        (V32's = 5381 or  56.54 % "        "    "     "   )
                        (V32B's =  683 or   7.18 % "       "    "     "   )
                        (V42's = 5114 or  53.74 % "        "    "     "   )
                        (V42B's =  732 or   7.69 % "       "    "     "   )
            2400 =    114 (  1.03 %)
            1200 =      8 (  0.07 %)
             300 =    484 (  4.37 %)

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      F_Req Flag      Applicable Software     Number of Systems
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      XA              Frontdoor <1.99b             4309
                      Frontdoor  2.02+
                      Dutchie 2.90c
                      Binkleyterm >2.1
                      D'Bridge <1.3
                      TIMS
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      XB              Binkleyterm 2.0                10
                      Dutchie 2.90b
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      XC              Opus 1.1                       12
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      XP              Seadog                          7
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      XR              Opus 1.03                      78
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      XW              Fido >12M                     415
                      Tabby
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      XX              D'Bridge 1.30               4719
                      Frontdoor 1.99b,2.01
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      CrashMail capable =   3994 ( 36.02 %)
      MailOnly Nodes    =   5728 ( 51.66 %)
      Listed-Only Nodes =    842 (  7.59 %)

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