      F I D O N E W S         Volume 18, Number 20             14 May 2001 
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         Copyright 2001 by Frank L. Vest, Editor for Fidonews Globally.


                        Table of Contents
     1. FOOD FOR THOUGHT  .........................................  1
     2. HEADLINE NEWS  ............................................  2
        !! Happy Mothers Day !!  ..................................  2
     3. EDITORIAL  ................................................  3
        International "Fidonet" Trademark/Copyright  ..............  3
     4. GUEST EDITORIAL  ..........................................  5
        Setting a Good Example  ...................................  5
     5. QUESTION OF THE WEEK  .....................................  8
        Is an International Coordinator needed in Fidonet?  .......  8
     6. ANSWERS OF THE WEEK  ......................................  9
        Answer to: Copyright or Trademark? From Lawrence Garvin  ..  9
        Followup to "Why not carry"  ..............................  9
     7. INTERVIEWS  ............................................... 11
        Interview with Bryan Turner of Vagabond Software  ......... 11
     8. OL'WDB'S COLUMN  .......................................... 13
        Ol' WDB's Column  ......................................... 13
     9. EDITOR'S CORNER  .......................................... 14
        Backup Editor and Co-Moderator  ........................... 14
     10. GETTING TECHNICAL  ....................................... 16
        Windows - Hyper Terminal  ................................. 16
     11. HUMOR IN A FIDO VEIN  .................................... 17
        Policy of Non-Rights :)  .................................. 17
     12. COMIX IN ASCII  .......................................... 19
        Owls  ..................................................... 19
     13. CLEAN HUMOR & JOKES  ..................................... 20
        Just do it and don't cheat! :)  ........................... 20
     14. FIDONET BY INTERNET  ..................................... 21
        Fidonet-related sites  .................................... 21
     15. FIDONEWS INFORMATION  .................................... 25
        How to Submit an Article  ................................. 25
        Credits, Legal Infomation, Availability  .................. 26
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                             FOOD FOR THOUGHT
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     God grant me the serenity to accept the things I can't change, Courage
     to change the things I can, and Wisdom to know the difference.

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                               HEADLINE NEWS
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     !! Happy Mothers Day !!

      On Sunday May - 13, in the USA, we took time to honor mothers. You
     know, that person that gave you birth, nursed you, made sure you
     washed behind your ears and taught you how to behave in public, amoung
     other things.

      I don't know if other countries or nations have such a day for
     honoring mothers, but if you do or if you don't, I'll still say on
     behalf of myself and the Fidonews to all the mothers in the world;

                           !!! HAPPY MOTHERS DAY !!!


     I hope it was a wonderful day for all of you, even if it isn't
     celebrated in your country.

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                                 EDITORIAL
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                  International "Fidonet" Trademark/Copyright

      I've seen the discussion in the Fidonews echo over the copyright and
     trademark of Fidonet as regards Zones other than Zone 1. Thoughts and
     beliefs all around seem to feel that either, the copyright and/or
     trademark are for the U.S.A. only and don't mean anything outside of
     the U.S.A., or that, due to some legal convention of some sort, the
     copyright and/or trademark is international.

      I'm not going to get into the legal aspects of this. I am going to
     present it in this light:

      Fidonet is an International community. As such, it spans the
     bounderies of nations and requires some thought in regards to laws in
     other countries and just plain old consideration for our neighbors.

      True, the trademark and copyright might not mean anything in
     countries other than the U.S.A.

     Does that mean that it should not be there?

      True, the Nodelist and other documents are the work of the individual
     authors or people that wrote them.

      Does that mean that some recognizition of the founder of Fidonet
     should not be in these documents?

      In another discussion in the Fidonews echo, there was concern over
     copyright of articles submitted to the Fidonews Publication. Part of
     an explaination of the concern mentioned that a person, not in the
     USA, had written a program that he failed to copyright and that
     program was "stolen" from him when he loaned it to a company he worked
     for.

      This brought up the question, in my mind, of "What if the program had
     been copyright in the persons own country and not in the USA and the
     company that 'stole' the program had been a USA company?". This might
     not seem to matter in this editorial, but hang in there.

      Fidonet is a "global" cummunity. As such, we must interact in order
     to survive in one piece. True, we could split off into different
     parts... maybe we already are in regards to Zones... but we still have
     to interact in order to be Fidonet in the global sense.

      So, just because it isn't copyright in one part of Fidonet, does that
     mean that it shouldn't be kept in other parts of Fidonet? What I'm
     referring to, in case you haven't figured it out, is the statements in
     the Nodelist that vary from Zone 1 to Zone 2 and maybe other Zones.

     Some in Zone 2 state that the copyright for Fidonet is only in Zone 1
     and doesn't mean anything in other Zones. Some in Zone 1 claim that
     the copyright does mean something in other Zones.
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     Who's right? I really don't care.

     All I'm asking is, "Does it really matter?!?".

     Let's pull all this together:

      As mentioned earlier, a person wrote a program. Let's forget that the
     program could have made the person some money. Let's assume that the
     program was freely given for use and was copyright in that person's
     country only. Would it be legal for the USA company to not give
     copyright credit to the author? Of course it would be legal. Would it
     be proper?

      Now, let's look at Fidonet. Fidonet was brought into being by a
     person in the USA. The copyright and/or trademark are copyright in
     the USA. Would it be legal for other countries to not include the
     copyright in their Fidonet related documents that would require such
     in the USA? Of course it would be legal. Would it be proper?


     What I'm really saying here is simple. Legally, there might not be
     anything that can be done about what a country does in regards to a
     copyright or trademark from another country.

     On the other hand, in regards to relations between the countries,
     there are things to be considered.

     Maybe, instead of asking ourselves "Is it legal?" or arguing the "My
     Zone against your Zone". Maybe, just maybe, what we should ask is:

     "What does it hurt to give and respect this copyright or trademark
     from another country?" and "What would I want if the 'shoe was on the
     other foot'"?

     Regards,

      Frank

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                              GUEST EDITORIAL
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                             Setting a good example
                                By Frank Robbins


     All Fido SysOps should strive to set a GOOD example for everyone to be
     proud of and work fairly within the Fido policy, to do things that are
     right to other fellow SysOps, no matter what country you are from,
     whether you are male or female, whether you can speak a little of the
     language to communicate with other fellow SysOps.

     Those SysOps who rise on occasion to elected positions are expected to
     do GOOD for Fido, foster goodwill and promote a healthy environment
     for this to occur. In fact, every SysOp should attempt to practice
     this!

     The person who registered the Fido Trademarks, namely Tom Jennings,
     caused global communications in 1984 to be afforded to mostly anyone
     with a computer, a few files, a few rules, a little investment and
     freedom to spand the continents "in search of" new friends at home and
     internationally, learning about people and countries without barriers
     or boundaries!

     Have we learned anything in those 17 years of Fido existence?

     It has been a long-time tradition to place the Fido trademark info in
     the nodelist, the fidonews and other related fido items, to properly
     credit Tom Jennings.

     Just because Tom Jennings is not here actively now, does NOT diminsh
     the importance of running Fido with good common sense and integrity.
     Tom paid his dues in the Fido root movement and moved onto to other
     things in life to occupy his time. This is life. He left behind a
     hobby that has been able to run itself after he contributed his time
     and expertise to promoting Fido.

     As many of you know, Tom Jennings is just an email away. I however
     would not recommend contacting him for trival matters. You might get
     surprised. I have been lucky to have some correspondence with Tom. Not
     everyone gets a reply!

     I have been searching and collecting Fido related info for over 5
     years and have visited several hundred Fido websites, some do give
     credit to Tom Jennings and many do not. Many Fido websites have been
     abandoned and left in place on the internet. What a shame!

     Fido SysOps come and go for what ever reason, some political, some get
     burned-out, some of them die. Many just hang-in there because they
     like the hobby.

     I agree with Tom Jennings when he saids his trademarks are verificable
     and are valid, and there is no room to argue about them. Maybe the
     people who argue about them should check their facts out more closely
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     and set a fine example as a Fido SysOp no matter what position you
     maintain in Fido. Maybe they might not want to set the record
     straight.

     No one should go unchallenged when they attempt to bring discredit
     upon Fido for any reason. If you are a Fido SysOp, you should set a
     good example for others to follow, not just today, but for always.

     No matter who registered the trademark first or which country did it,
     it would be reasonable for everyone to respect a legal trademark no
     matter where you live, as provided by law.

     Some of the same people who have enjoyed the benefits of this BBS
     hobby are the ones who have decided to tear down what Fido stands for.
     This cannot go unchallenged. These kinds of SysOps are NOT loyal to
     the common cause of the SysOp or to Fido.

     Steps should be taken to make sure that these kinds of SysOps after
     their real colors "show through", be removed by normal accepted Fido
     policy at the most appropriate time possible. If you are one of the
     people who may have voted for this person, do not feel bad. But when
     you find out that this has occurred, you should attempt to be one of
     the first to correct the problem using acceptable Fido policy!

     When we look the other way for something we might have caused,
     directly or indirectly to occur which is not acceptable, we tend to be
     part of that problem instead of being part of the solution. Stand-up,
     take responsiblity, fix it and move on. We all make mistakes, but some
     will never admit it.

     Fido needs loyal SysOps to the Fido cause, NOT SysOps loyal to hidden
     agendas or hungry for power and let no man stand in their way!

     Setting the example by the "ones voted in" and all others, also
     includes not using derogatory slurs to describe people from other
     countries. No country is better than the next. Every country is
     different.

     Everyone has an opinion. This exchange of information can be healthy
     for all who engage in it. But when the discussion becomes abusive, it
     should stop. We are NOT here to be targets of abuse.

     As SysOps in Fido, we are here to enjoy this hobby that was brought
     about by Tom Jennings and we should not have to continually put up
     with those SysOps who are NOT loyal to the common Fido cause, let no
     man take your hobby away from you!

     If a SysOp cannot live with being loyal to the common Fido cause and
     cannot foster goodwill to other SysOps worldwide, then that SysOp
     needs to find another hobby, they are NOT welcomed in Fido!

     It is evident in Fido history that we repeat much of the same history
     in the good and the bad that occurs, sometimes the level of distaste
     rises to such a point that reasonable people STAND-UP to challenge the
     disservice to Fido. Those people who stand-up for Fido sometimes get
     blasted by those who are doing the disservice and from others who
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     really may not understand the full issue and only got one side of the
     story and it sounded good to them.

     Everyone was created with a brain, how you use it is up to you,
     mileage may vary!

     When we see a SysOp "raising a leg" to Fido to bring discredit, we
     should exercise our right to challenge that SysOp. This unacceptable
     behavior must be stopped.

     When the time comes, will you STAND-UP for what is right?

     Frank Robbins <fidonet@winramturbo.com> The FidoNet Showcase Project
     at: http://winramturbo.com/fnsp/

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                           QUESTION OF THE WEEK
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               Is an International Coordinator needed in Fidonet?

      Sometimes one post in an echo can raise a question that sticks in
     one's mind. In a recent post in the Fidonews echo, a comment was made
     to the effect: `We don't even need an IC'.

     Question of the Week;

      From a technical point without consideration of what former or
      present IC's have done or not done,

      Does Fidonet need an International Coordinator?

      Why or why not?

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                            ANSWERS OF THE WEEK
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                         Answer to "Copyright or Trademark"
                              From Lawrence Garvin

     In response to last week's "Question of the Week", I offer this simple
     reply.

     As is correctly posted in the nodelist, Fidonews, and other sources
     from time to time:

     ;A Fido, FidoNet and the dog-with-diskette are registered trademarks
     ;A of Tom Jennings, San Francisco California, USA.

     The "dog with diskette" is registered under serial number 73665098 and
     registration number 1503643 and was registered on 9/13/1988.
     The registration document may be viewed at:

     http://tess.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=doc&state=qt7asi.3.3

     The name "Fido" is registered under serial number 73665097 and
     registration number 1498374 and was registered on 8/2/1988.
     The registration document may be viewed at:

     http://tess.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=doc&state=qt7asi.3.4

     The name "Fidonet" is registered under serial number 73591035 and
     registration number 1452977 and was registered on 8/18/1987.
     The registration document may be viewed at:

     http://tess.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=doc&state=qt7asi.3.5

     All trademark registrations have a registration period of 20 years and
     are renewable indefinitely.

     The words "Fido" and "Fidonet" are not copyrighted, as it's generally
     held in U.S. copyright law that words cannot be copyrighted. The image
     of the dog-with-diskette should be presumed to be copyrighted, as
     copyright does generally extend to works of art.

     Lawrence Garvin
     1:106/6018

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                          Followup to "Why not carry"
                              From Lawrence Garvin

     Bob Seaborn expressed in this column last week some valid reasons for
     not distributing Zone 2 echos, carte blanch, within the auspicies of
     the North American Backbone.

     He offered an excellent suggestion to resolve this potential conflict.

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     I would like to describe at least one situation in which this
     suggestion has contributed successfully in the placement of a
     non-Zone-1 echo on the Zone 1 distribution systems, and encourage
     other Zone 1 sysops to contribute, each according to their interests.

     The Echolist entry for IP_CONNECT reads as follows:

     IP_CONNECT
     [ * * * ]
          Moderators:   Ward Dossche, 2:292/854
                        Lawrence Garvin (Z1 Custodian), 1:106/6018,
          Last changed: 10-Apr-2001 by Lawrence Garvin, 1:106/6018

     And, as anybody who frequents that echo can attest, I'm only
     infrequently a participant, much less anything resembling a moderator.
     In fact, I'm generally at odds with Ward's policies concerning
     Fidonet, though we have had civil exchanges of interest on non-Fido
     topics in other echos. However, I did see a beneficial interest to the
     sysops of Zone 1 to Echolist this echo and ensure it continues to be
     distributed in Zone 1 according to the Zone 1 policies and rules. So,
     I volunteered to get it listed and distributed.

     It's not my intent to 'toot my own horn' here... but to encourage
     others to get involved. The concept does work and it's an excellent
     way to get an out-of-zone echo transported on the Zone 1 systems
     without asking those systems to compromise their legitimate policies.

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                                INTERVIEWS
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                Interview with Bryan Turner of Vagabond Software
                                 By Frank Vest

     Q: Tell us a little about Bryan Turner. Just who are you? :)

     Well in the real world I am a Support Rep at that company that made
     Duke 3D (3D Realms) so when I am not on my computer at home I am on it
     at work playing games. When I am at home I am the owner of Vagabond
     Software (Used to be SMYC) and my "Baby" Pegasus Flight BBS.

     Q: What got you first interested in BBS?

     I got a 300bps modem from a friend in a bet. Then when I was tring to
     figure out what to do with it I called a BBS in Dallas called Might
     and Magic. All I would do is download games. Not BBS games. Games like
     Kroz, Duke 1, and a lot that I can not even remember. The SysOp over
     there said that since I spend all night on the BBS anyway I should try
     his on-line games. I fell in love and then decided that I wanted to
     run a BBS so that I did not have to worry about my time on line. If I
     am not mistaken that was in 85. I joined Fido (Again if I am not
     mistaken)in 87 with the help of a GREAT guy James Ray. Although there
     were more people involved I do not think I would have joined with out
     him.

     Q: How long have you been programming?

     I started in 92 for my self. Actually turning batch files into EXE
     using Basic. Then in 93 a programmer made an EXE for a Subnet called
     Linearnet. I needed to update it and he told me to get a compiler and
     he would help. That was Visual Basic (1.0 Dos) and I still use it for
     smaller things that I do.

     Q: What prompted you to begin writing Doors and other utilities?

     Actually the news of my wife being pregnant. My first Door was called
     Baby Bowl were users would guess the weight and date of a baby. I
     started playing with that and once Brianna was born, I put it away.
     Then when Glen O'Gorman (Yet another Dallas SysOp) was about to have
     another child, He reminded me of Baby Bowl. So I cleaned it up and
     released it. That is when Ruth Argust (DDS DOORS File Echo) and I
     became Friends. She pushed me to write utilities that people needed.
     So I did.

     Q: What do you see as the strong points of your programs? Give us a
     quick review.

     About 2 years ago I would have answered with 2 points. One they are
     Cheep. 2 that any bugs are fixed on about 2 days. Although now I have
     to answer that 1 they are Free. And there is not another. :) Honestly
     I have had no time over the last year to really get back into the
     Programming part of my life. Between Working and trying to get a
     business up and running (Another personal project)
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     Q: Where do you see door games going in the future?

     In the future I see more authors knowing that this is not a money
     making market anymore. And not trying to release software that is
     going to make them money. So many times I grab a new door and read the
     register.txt and want to write to the door author and tell him what
     will happen. 10 Years ago you could retire on what you could make. But
     not any more. Yet people still try.

     Also I I see a lot more new author's with old software.
     (OOII, BRE, and LORD for Example) I really think that the
     old authors will give there code to someone and and we will see a lot
     more of this in the future. (I would like to see this with
     Arrowbridge)

     Q: Where do you see BBS systems going in the future?

     Well The Internet. Although I have not moved there, that is where it
     is heading. IMHO Telenet BBS's are not that fun. When you are on a
     Dial up Connection it always looks as thought you are logged in at
     2400 BPS. I still call up BBS's and do stuff. And I think as long as
     there is a modem that will answer my calls then I will still make
     them. (Face it I am still just a user at heart)

     Q: Anything else you want to add or tell the readers?

     There is a bunch of stuff that I would like to say but it has all been
     said before.  So I guess I would like to just tell the Future door
     authors that if you do it for the love of the hobby and not the love
     of money you will like it a hell of a lot more.

     Oh and I get asked this now and again. When I released my first few
     doors that were not freeware, the reg form always stated that I wanted
     to get money just enough to get my daughter a Swing. Yes I did that.
     And although it took 3 years, that is the one reason that I went to
     postcardware. And now that she has a little over 2000 Postcards we are
     going to Freeware. :) All the next releases of my software will be
     100% Free.

     Best regards,
      Vagabond                            mailto:vagabond@darktech.org

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                              OL'WDB'S COLUMN
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                                Ol' WDB's Column
                              wdbonner@pacbell.net

     Dear friends,

     First, thank you all so very much for your understanding and your
     sympathies in communications regarding my visual complications. It is
     a great comfort and satisfaction to know so many  really care. The
     caring makes the bonds of friendship ever stronger and more heart felt
     in a time of bewilderment and despair.  Thank goodness for Frank Vest
     and his devotion to Fidonet/news/echo.  He had helped me a lot with
     his column every week, plus rewriting Makenews program controls to
     make it work properly. His first edition proves the wisdom in making
     him first choice as editor.

     Secondly, I wish to thank Janis Kracht, Brenda Donovan, Joe Jared,
     Carol Shenkenburger, Bob Seaborn, Gary Gilmore, Ross Cassell, in fact
     all of the RCC and many others like Jim Barchuck, also Z2's Ward,
     Michiel van der VList, Z3's Miles and Z4's David; all of whom have
     contributed their time and effort in support of the Snooze. (Please
     excuse any misspelled names, my time is still limited on computer and
     don't have time to look them all up).

     Lastly, my eyesight is improving slowly, still read with only one eye
     and hate those eyedrops every six hours.  Good news is they don't make
     my head hurt for an hour any more. Just a few minutes.  Time on
     computer still limited to 30 minutes morning and again evening mail
     runs.

     Again my thanks to all you beautiful people, my friends in FidoLand.

     Ol' wdb

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                              EDITOR'S CORNER
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                        Backup Editor and Co-Moderator


      One thing I have learned in life is to try to learn and know my
     strengths and weaknesses.

     I knew when I accepted the position as Fidonews Editor that one of the
     problems I would have is being the Moderator of the Fidonews Echo.


      Another thing that I have learned is to try to plan for the future.

     In learning from the past, I do not want to repeat the problems that
     came when the Editorship was vacated with no clear replacement in
     place.


     In these lights, I'm doing the following:

     1. Backup Editor:

      Lawrence Garvin is now the backup Editor for me. In the event that I
     should have to be absent for a time or that I should die or leave
     unexpectedly, he will take over production of the Fidonews.

      Lawrence has stated that at this time he does not want the Editorship
     of the Fidonews. In the event that I should not be able to return as
     Editor and have not picked a replacement. Lawrence will choose my
     replacement. If I have chosen a replacement, Lawrence will, of course,
     honor that choice. Of course, if at that time I have not chosen a
     replacement and Lawrence decides that he wants to continue as Editor,
     he may do so.

     2, Co-Moderator:

      Lawrence Garvin has agreed to be the Co-Moderator of the Fidonews
     Echo. He will take over the "day to day" operation of the Echo. I ask
     that you respect him as Moderator of the Fidonews Echo.


     Reasoning:

      The Editor of the Fidonews is in the position of Moderating an Echo,
     Producing the Fidonews and trying to keep a balance between the two so
     that people will feel free to submit articles and yet there will be
     some "control" over the Echo. If that sounds like a "Three Ring
     Circus" to you, it is. :)

      I see the Fidonews Publication and the Fidonews Echo as two separate
     things. To me, the Fidonews Publication is the top priority. The Echo
     didn't exist when Fidonet was founded and if it was not here today,
     the Fidonews Publication would still continue. On the other hand, If
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     the Publication stopped, there would be little need for the Echo.

      Honestly, I can't see myself juggling all these things alone.
     Something will suffer and I don't want it to be the Fidonews
     Publication.


     Kind regards,

      Frank Vest - Fidonews Editor

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                             GETTING TECHNICAL
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                          Windows 95 - Hyper Terminal

     This may also work in Windows 3.1 or above.

     You must first have installed the Hyper Terminal program when you
     installed Win95 and setup your modem in Win95.

     To setup your modem in Windows, go to the "My Computer-> Control
     Panel-> Modems".

     Go to "Start->Programs->Accessories->Hyper Terminal"  "Click" on the
     Hyper Terminal Folder. You will see a window open that has several
     files.

     "Double click" on the "Hypertrm.exe" icon (the one with the computer
     and phone).  Hyper Terminal will load and ask you for a name of the
     new connection. Type a name for the connection (generally the name of
     the BBs you are calling) and an Icon.

     Next, you will see a window Showing your country code, area code and
     "connect using". There will be a blank for the phone number to the BBs
     you want to call. Be sure that the "connect using" is to your modem.
     Type in the phone number to the BBs and click on the "Ok".

     A new window will appear. It should have the phone number,  Your
     location (default) and Calling Card None. Click on the  "Dial" and
     you're on your way.

     You can "maximize" the window for better viewing and change the fonts
     for better viewing as needed. I like the Terminal or Fixed System
     fonts. They seem to show the Ansi better.

     NOTE: Do Not use the "Terminal Window" option. If you are asked or
     find a place in Hyper Terminal to bring up the Terminal Window after
     connecting, answer No.

     For the latest version of Hyper Terminal, point your browser at:
     http://www.hilgraeve.com/

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                           HUMOR IN A FIDO VEIN
     =================================================================

                              Policy of Non-Rights :)


     The base text for the following was written by State Representative
     Mitchell Kaye from Cobb County, GA. in reference to the United States
     "Bill of Rights".

     The theme and wording has been adapted and completely torn apart for
     Fidonet and submitted thus;


     We, the sensible people of Fidonet, in an attempt to help everyone get
     along, restore some semblance of reason, avoid flames, keep our hobby
     functional, promote positive behavior and secure the blessings of our
     hobby for ourselves and our great-great-great grandchildren, hereby
     try one more time to ordain and establish some common sense guidelines
     for the terminally whiny, guilt-ridden, delusional and other
     complaining bedwetters.

     We hold these truths to be self-evident: that a whole lot of people
     are confused by Fidonet Policy and are so dim that they require a
     Policy of Non-Rights.

     I: You do not have the right to access a BBS, have a Node number or
     any other access to Fidonet. More power to you if you can acquire them
     within Fidonet Policy and/or the policy of the BBS you call, but no
     one is guaranteeing anything.

     II: You do not have the right to never be offended. Fidonet is based
     on communication and opinions, and that means communication and
     opinions from everyone - not just you!  You may leave, change echos,
     express a different opinion, create your own echo, etc., but the world
     is full of idiots, and probably always will be.

     III: You do not have the right to post whatever you wish in any echo
     you choose. If you post off topic, learn the rules of the echo before
     posting again. Do not expect the Moderator, your Sysop or your mail
     feed to just accept that you are a jerk and ignore you.

     IV: You do not have the right to have your software set up for you.
     Fidonet Sysops are the most friendly people to be found and will
     gladly help anyone in need, but we do grow weary of the new generation
     of professional couch potatoes that expect everything to be "Plug &
     Play, don't or can't read the Docs and who achieve nothing more than
     the creation of another generation of professional couch potatoes who
     expect the same thing.

     V: You do not have the right to free software keys. That would be
     nice, but if you spent the time and effort required to write the
     programs, you might understand.

     VI: You do not have the right to abuse other people in Fidonet. If you
     FIDONEWS 18-20               Page 18                  14 May 2001


     do intentionally abuse someone don't be surprised if the rest of us
     want to see your Node number, access or status removed from Fidonet,
     or worse.

     VII: You do not have the right to "hack" other people's computers. If
     you hack, illegally access or coerce access to other's systems, don't
     be surprised if the rest of us get together and lock you out of all
     the systems that we can.

     VIII: You don't have the right to demand that Policy be followed "to
     the letter" in order to soothe your aching conscience or enact revenge
     for some perceived wrong done to you. We hate oppressiveness and won't
     stop you from following Policy to the letter if you like. However, we
     do not enjoy parenting all of you whiners that want it all your way
     and battling each and every little tyrant or would be tyrant with a
     title.

     IX: You don't have the right to vote on every position or all aspects
     of Fidonet. It might be nice if you did, but it just isn't that way.
     If you want such rights, take advantage of the language in Fidonet
     Policy, learn how to change it and do something about it. Otherwise,
     shut up!

     X: You do not have the right to happiness in Fidonet.  Being in
     Fidonet, you can pursue happiness - which by the way, is a lot easier
     if you are unencumbered by an overabundance of idiotic thoughts and
     beliefs about rights and precedence created by those of you who were
     confused by Fidonet Policy.


     Another dream that failed. There's nothing sadder.-Kirk, Star Trek

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     FIDONEWS 18-20               Page 19                  14 May 2001


     =================================================================
                              COMIX IN ASCII
     =================================================================

                                      Owls


          ___         v             v v              ___           ___
         <*,*>      <*,*>          <*,*>            <`,'>         <*,*>
         [`-']      [`-']          [`-']            [`-']        =^`-'^=
         -"-"-      -"-"-          -"-"-            -"-"-          " "
          owl      punk owl   owl with antlers   chinese owl   flying owl

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     FIDONEWS 18-20               Page 20                  14 May 2001


     =================================================================
                            CLEAN HUMOR & JOKES
     =================================================================

                  <<   Just do it - don't cheat !!!!!!!!!!!!>>
                           Submitted By Warren Bonner


     Try this its actually quite good.
          But don't cheat !
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

     Count the number of `F's in the following text:

     FINISHED FILES ARE THE RE-
     SULT OF YEARS OF SCIENTIF-
     IC STUDY COMBINED WITH THE
     EXPERIENCE OF YEARS
     Managed it?

     ... Scroll down only after you have counted them!

     OK?
     How many?
     Three?

     Wrong, there are six - no joke!

            Read again!
            ^^^^^^^^^^

     FINISHED FILES ARE THE RE-
     SULT OF YEARS OF SCIENTIF-
     IC STUDY COMBINED WITH THE
     EXPERIENCE OF YEARS

     The reasoning is further down...

     The brain cannot process the word "OF".
     Incredible or what?

     Anyone who counts all six 'F' on the first
     go is a genius, Three is normal

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     FIDONEWS 18-20               Page 21                  14 May 2001


     =================================================================
                            FIDONET BY INTERNET
     =================================================================

                       . -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- .
                       |    FIDONET-RELATED SITES    |
                       ` -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- '
                          Last update:  March 3, 2001

     FidoNet
     Homepage:     http://www.fidonet.org
     FidoNews:     http://www.fidonews.org   [HTML]
                   ftp://ftp.nwstar.com/fidonet/fidonews/
     Echolist:     http://www.tlchost.net/echolist/
     Echomail links: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidonet/fidoip.html
     SDS Files:    http://fidobbs.dk/download (Web Access to SDS)
     FTSC page:    http://www.ftsc.org/
     General:      http://www.writebynight.com/fidonet.html

     Zone 1:       http://www.z1.fidonet.org
       Region 10:  http://www.r10.org
         Net 102   http://home.earthlink.net/~kayshapero/net102.htm
         Net 103:  http://www.webworldinc.com/club103/
         Net 203:  http://www.geocities.com/Area51/8687/net203index.html
       Region 11:  http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/
        Net 2410:  http://www.vector.11.com/net2410/
       Region 12:  http://sparkys.dyndns.org
       Region 13:  http://www.net264.org/r13.htm
         Net 264:  http://www.net264.org/
         Net 275:  http://www.homershut.net/~mahoover/net275/
       Region 14:  http://www.ouijabrd.com/region14
         Net 282:  http://www.rxn.com/~net282/
       Region 15:  <vacant>
       Region 16:  <vacant>
       Region 17:  http://www.region17.net
         Net 140:  http://www.nwstar.com/~net140
       Region 18:  http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/

       Region 19:  http://bise.tzo.com/r19
         Net 124:  http://www.dallasinet.com/net124
                   http://texoma.net/~flv
         Net 130:  http://www.startext.net/homes/net130
         Net 393:  http://www.chatter.com/~wb/

     Zone 2:       http://www.z2.fidonet.org
       Region 20:  http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)
       Region 23:  http://www.fido.dk (in Danish)

       Region 24:  http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German)
                   http://www.was-ist-fido.de/
         Fido-IP:  http://home.nrh.de/fido/ (English/German)
       Region 25:  http://www.literary.freeserve.co.uk/net2502/
       Region 26:  http://www.nemesis.ie
          REC 26:  http://www.nrgsys.com/orb
       Region 27:  http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm
       Region 29:  http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/  (French)
     FIDONEWS 18-20               Page 22                  14 May 2001


                   http://Welcome.to/skynetbbs/
       Region 30:  http://www.fidonet.ch  (German)
     ? Region 33:  http://www.fidoitalia.net  (Italian)
       Region 34:  http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm  (Spanish)
           REC34:  http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/4552/
       Region 36:  http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/
       Region 38:  http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html
       Region 41:  http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English)
       Region 42:  http://www.fido.cz
     !    Net422:  http://www.fido.sk (Slovak/English)
       Region 50:  http://www.fido7.com/  (Russian)
        Net 5010:  http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/  (Russian)
        Net 5015:  http://www.fido.nnov.ru/  (Russian)
        Net 5028:  HTTP://5028.nordnet.ru/
        Net 5030:  http://kenga.ru/fido/  (Russian & English)
        Net 5049:  http://www.n5049.z2.fidonet.org  (English/Russian)
        Net 5074:  http://www.z2.n5074.fidonet.net
     ??  Net 5085:  http://www.fidonet.uz/ (Russian)

     Zone 3:       http://www.z3.fidonet.org

     Zone 4:
       Region 80:  http://fidobrasil.8m.com  (Portuguese)
       Region 90:
         Net 904:  http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish)

     Zone 5:       http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/

     Zone 6:       http://www.z6.fidonet.org
       Region 65:  http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html
                   (Chinese)


                          Fidonet Via Internet Hubs

     See also: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidoip.html

     a @ preceding an individual's name implies a virtual email
     address. The email is translated as follows
     firstlast@osirusoft.com will automatically route to the
     appropriate individual's email.  Anyone in this list will
     also receive routed notice of this feature.  In my case, it
     would still be joejared@osirusoft.com, but you get the idea.

     Also, as information is provided to me, I will be adding a
     latency field to each node, which is defined as the maximum
     time between when the message is received, and when it is
     sent on to other nodes, or available to be sent onward,
     defined in minutes. A latency of ! implies that there is an
     immediate response, and an attempt to deliver immediately
     after processing, or a "MinuteMail System", as it were.

                v-email flag firstnamelastname@osirusoft.com
                | email address or
     Node#      | Operator          | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate
                |                   |                |latency|
     FIDONEWS 18-20               Page 23                  14 May 2001


     -----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
     Zone 1     |                   |                |       |
       10/3     | Brenda Donovan    | FTP,UUE,BinkP  | 384K,30| n/c
       10/345   @ Todd Cochrane     | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,!  | n/c
       13/25    @ Jim Balcom        | FTP            | 56k   | $20mo.
       18/500   @ Ross Cassell      | FTP, BinkP     |128K+,!| n/c
      103/5     @ Mark Luetger      | BinkP          | 384k,!| n/c
      103/153   @ Michael Box       | BinkP          | aDSL,!| n/c
      103/301   @ Joe Jared         | BinkP,FTP,NFS  | 384k,!| n/c
      103/401   @ Warren Bonner     | BinkP          | aDSL,!| n/c
      105/8     | Russ Johnson      | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k  | n/c
      105/72    @ Larry James       | FTP, BinkP     | aDSL  | $50/yr
      106/1     @ Steve Loupe       | BinkP, FTP     | 128k  | ???
      106/6018  | Lawrence Garvin   | FTP, VMoT      | aDSL,60| n/c
      107/453   @ Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo.
      140/1     @ Bob Seaborn       | FTP,BinkP      | T3,30 | $5/$16
      167/133   | Stephen Monteith  | BinkP          | 128k+ | n/c
      211/417   @ Korombos          | BinkP,UUE,FTP  | T1    | n/c
      220/10    | groberts@nexusbbs.net |BinkP,FTP,UUE|1.5M+ | n/c
      218/109   @ Matt Munson       | BinkP,UUE      | 33.6k | n/c
      246/160   @ Mason Vye         | FTP, UUE       | 56K   | n/c
      249/116   | Carl Austin Bennett | FTP, UUE    |ADSL,60 | n/c
      280/169   | Brian Greenstreet | FTP            | 33.6  | $2mo.
      342/3     @ Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP      | 128K+ | n/c
      395/670   | Arthur Stark      | BinkD,FTP      | CABLE | n/c
      379/1     @ Dale Ross         | FTP, BinkP,UUE | 256K+,! n/c
      396/45    | Marc Lewis        | UUE            | 33.6  | $26/yr
      396/48    | Ben Ritchey       | UUE:BFDS       | 33.6k | n/c
     2604/104   @ Jim Mclaughlin    | FTP,VMoT,UUE   | 33.6  | $1mo
     2613/404   @ David Moufarrege  | BinkP,FTP,VMoT | 128k+,!| n/c
     2624/306   | David Calafrancesco  | VMoT        | 33.6  | n/c
     3407/4     @ jyates@bsdi.ldl.net | UUE,FTP            | 28.8  | n/c
     3632/84    | Robert Todd    |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
     3651/9     @ Jerry Gause       | FTP,VMoT       | 33.6  | $3/$6
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 2     |
       20/11    | Henrik Lindhe     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       31/1     | Gabriel Plutzar   | BinkP          | T1+   | n/c
      203/600   | Mikael Karlsson   | UUE            | 64k   | n/c
      221/360   @ Tommi Koivula     | BinkP,UUE      | ???   | n/c
      236/205   @ Michael Kaaber    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      246/2098  | Volker Imre       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      280/1601  @ Jeroen VanDeLeur  | FTP,UUE        | 64k   | n/c
      292/620   | Eddy Missoul      | VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 64k   |N/C
      292/624   | Steven Leeman     | UUE          | 64k     | N/C
      292/907   | Bart Verhaeghe    | BinkP,VMoT,UUE | 64K   | n/c
      292/2003  | Eric Vaneberck    | BinkP          | 768k  | n/c
      301/1     | Peter Witschi     | BinkP          | 768k  | n/c
      332/807   | Roberto Mascolo   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      335/535   @ Mario Mure        | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k   | n/c
      335/610   | Gino Lucrezi      | UUE            | 33.6  | n/c
      344/201   | Julio Garcia      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      346/3     @ Carlos Navarro    | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      382/100   | Sinisa Burina     | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      406/555   | Ofir Michaeli &   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      406/555   | Marius Kaizerman  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     FIDONEWS 18-20               Page 24                  14 May 2001


      423/81    | Milos Bajer       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      465/204   | Va Milushnikov    | BinkP          | 33.6k | n/c
      469/84    | Max Masyutin      | VMoT           | 256k  | n/c
      480/112   | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k  | n/c
      550/4077  | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE            | ----- | n/c
     2411/413   @ Dennis Dittrich   | UUE,BinkP      | 64k   | n/c
     2446/301   @ Lothar Behet      | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K   | n/c
     2474/275   | Christian Emig    | UUE            | 64k   | unkn
     5030/115   | Andrey Podkolzin  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5100/8     | Egons Bush        | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5020/1159  | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE          | 33.6  | n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 3
      633/260   @ Malcolm Miles     | FTP,BinkP      | 64K   | n/c
      640/954   | Rick Van Ruth     | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c
      774/605   @ Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c

     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 4
      801/161   @ Renato Zambon     | UUE            | 33.6  |n/c
      905/100   | Fabian Gervan     | VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 128k  | n/c
      902/18    | Javier Tejedor    | UUE            | 33,6  | n/c

     --
     * FTP   = Internet File Transfer Protocol
     * VMoT  = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
     * UUE   = uuencode<->email type transfers
     * BinkP = front end mailer for TCPIP networks
     * NFS   = Linux Networking
     ----------------------------------------------
     Fidonet oriented news servers

     news.osirusoft.com
     news.tardis.net

     Fidonet oriented chat rooms.

     room #fidonet  5PM (PDT 11AM GMT) Sundays
     irc.osirusoft.com  (Peers wanted)

     ----------------------------------------------

     Please send updates, corrections and suggestions to
     Joe Jared, 1:103/301, joejared@osirusoft.com.  All email addresses
     here for purpose of corresponding with fidonet members about
     obtaining a feed.  Improper use of the virtual email addresses, and
     most especially, email addressed to blockme@relays.osirusoft.com
     will be considered a request to be blocked by my open relay spam
     stopper at http://relays.osirusoft.com




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     FIDONEWS 18-20               Page 26                  14 May 2001


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