      F I D O N E W S         Volume 18, Number 10             05 Mar 2001
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                        Table of Contents
     1. HEADLINE  .................................................  1
        [ Header ]  ...............................................  1
     2. CHAT WITH THE EDITOR  .....................................  2
        <><>* CHAT with EDITOR *<><>  .............................  2
     3. CORRECTIONS  ..............................................  4
        *ENGLISH CORRECTIONS*  ....................................  4
     4. LETTERS ACROSS THE EDITOR'S DESK  .........................  5
        //+ Letters +\\  ..........................................  5
     5. ARTICLES  .................................................  7
        //\+ ARTICLES +/\\  .......................................  7
     6. FRANK'S COLUMN  ...........................................  9
        //\* FRANK'S COLUMN */\\  .................................  9
     7. NASCAR STORIES  ........................................... 17
        ((((( NASCAR STORIES )))))  ............................... 17
     8. FACTS IN HISTORY  ......................................... 19
     9. RECIPES  .................................................. 21
     10. FIDONET FICTION  ......................................... 22
        PLEASE RESCUE FIDO  ....................................... 22
     11. GETTING TECHNICAL  ....................................... 25
        >>> TECHNOFACTS <<<  ...................................... 25
     12. POET'S CORNER  ........................................... 27
        <<< Poetry Korner >>>  .................................... 27
     13. HUMOR  ................................................... 29
        <>< HUMOROUS ECHOS ><>  ................................... 29
     14. QUESTION OF THE WEEK  .................................... 30
        //\+ QUESTION +/\\  ....................................... 30
     15. NOTICES  ................................................. 31
     16. FIDONET BY INTERNET  ..................................... 32
     17. FIDONEWS INFORMATION  .................................... 37
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                                 HEADLINE
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     The hardest part about gaining any new idea is sweeping out
     the false idea occupying that niche.  As long as that niche
     is occupied, evidence and proof and logical demonstration
     get nowhere.  But once the niche is emptied of the wrong
     idea that has been filling it - once you can honestly say,
     "I don't know," then it becomes possible to get at the truth.

                                      Robert A. Heinlein



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                           CHAT WITH THE EDITOR
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     Carol Shenkenberger:
     Steve, I have several more (ideas) and rather than flood the echo
     with it all, seems the region 13 sysops think it's generally harmless,
     possibly helpful, to have some extra ZIN helpdesk sites.

     Steve Querrella:
     Appreciate your help on that.  Looks to me like only 13 and 19
     have an opinion on this, unfortunately, and even then, I've
     gotten one nibble from my own people regarding 1:19/255's
     appearance in the next nodelist.

     Carol:
     The only 'worries' were that some critical help might end up
     going all netmail and echos may suffer.

     Steve:
     Recall that the idea is to have one Help System per Region. You'll see
     1:19/255 in this week's nodelist, in fact.  The ultimate idea is to
     have a point of contact, per Region, for getting people nodelisted as
     IP nodes.  We can either go the route of having separate help nodes
     for stuff like Vmodem or Com/IP or Netmodem, or we can simply delegate
     the tasks among the Zone 1 Help Systems, like the FTSC delegates
     things.  OK, you're the OS/2 guy, you're going to take the Vmodem
     stuff. You're the Com/IP person, you take care of that. Realistically,
     this person's primary focus should be helping potential IP nodes to
     get into the nodelist, and with that comes some responsibility to be
     familiar with the software (or know where to look to find information
     on it). Regarding critical help's going to netmail, I would hope that
     the person doing the pointing in the right direction would encourage
     the person needing help to check out the appropriate forum.  "Oh, your
     software doesn't work right now, and you need to get it working in
     order to READ the forum?  OK, let's work here."  It's like having
     people who can't get an OLR working being told "Check out the OFFLINE
     conference."  OK, fine, but now you're reading online, often a
     frustrating experience for some. :-)
     Origin: Elflords in Black (1:393/9005.13)

     Editor's response:
     This is as good an idea as Tom Jennings had in starting Fidonet POTS.
     It can not only save Fido from gradual demise as the Internet grows
     with every household eventually becoming an IP.

     This is the leading edge to what the questionnaire was about in the
     Fidonews sometime back. Problem there was only the POTs people raised
     their hand in protest. As I understand the proposal that the IPs
     would have a help center to go to for assistance in remaining a node,
     or becoming a node in a regular and IP nodelist. Combined?

     If I understand it correctly, that is the birth of the future fido in
     my opinion. Obviously the vast majority of folks go IP these days and
     have ignored the old slow way.  Time for Fido to stop crawling and
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     learn to walk, run and fly!  Thanks to Steve Q. for his work on this
     with Region 19.

     JMHO, Ol'wdb

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                                CORRECTIONS
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           by: "R. B. Crowninshield" <mutha@capeonramp.com>

             SUGGESTED Changes to the English Language...
                        (Tongue in cheek...)

     The European Commission has just announced an agreement whereby
     English will be the official language of the European Union rather
     than German, which was the other possibility. As part of the
     negotiations, Her Majesty's Government conceded that English spelling
     had some room for improvement and has accepted a 5-year phase-in plan
     that would be known as "Euro-English".

     In the first year, 's' will replace the soft 'c'. Sertainly, this will
     make the sivil servants jump with joy. The hard 'c' will be dropped in
     favor of the 'k'. This should klear up konfusion and keyboards kan
     have one less letter.

     There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year when the
     troublesome 'ph' will be replased with the 'f'. This will make words
     like 'fotograf' 20% shorter!

     In the 3rd year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be expected
     to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible.
     Governments will enkorage the removal of double leters which have
     always ben a deterent to akurate speling. Also, al wil agre that the
     horible mes of the silent 'e' in the languag is disgrasful and it
     should go away.

     By the 4th year, peopl wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing 'th'
     with 'z' and 'w' wiz 'v'. During ze fifz year ze unesesary 'o' kan be
     dropd from vords kontaining 'ou' and similar changes vud of kurs be
     aplid to ozer kombinations of leters. After ze fifz yer ve vil hav a
     rali sensibl ritn styl. Zer vil be no mor trubl or difikultis and
     evriun vil find it ezi tu undrstand ech ozer.

     Zen Z Drem Vil Finali Kum Tru !!!

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                     LETTERS ACROSS THE EDITOR'S DESK
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     By: Todd Vierling
     To: All
     Re: IP nodelist violations
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                 * Crossposted from IP_CONNECT

     I haven't been reading FidoNews lately, so I actually just ran across
     the editorial from flv@texoma.net about the blatant abuses of Policy4
     in the Nodelist.  It's a good time right now to bring up possible ways
     to fix the problem.

     In that editorial:
     > P4 states that that a certain hour of each day be set aside for
     > transfer of Netmail only. This is known as ZMH (Zone Mail Hour) and
     > is coordinated to have each Node in Fidonet available for Netmail
     > transfer at the same hour each day dependent on time zones. This is
     > violated by Internet only Nodes since they aren't available for
     > dial-up connections.

     I plan to post some proposals to IP_CONNECT within the next month,
     hopefully to address some of these issues.

     Also in the editorial,
     > Maybe a new software that will allow direct connects to the Internet
     > for Netmail and, somehow, mesh the Fidonet Node addressing system to
     > the Internet addressing system so that any person that has access to
     > the Internet can get through to Fidonet Netmail.

     We already have the means by which to document netmail routing, taking
     into account Internet-connected nodes.  It's the Nodelist that we've
     been using for years.  There's no reason to keep violating Nodelist
     policy; we should clean up the Nodelist entries that are noncompliant.

     I have been working on a flexible nodelist postprocessor to create
     Internet routing lists for available IP-connected nodes (...so that
     POTS calls can be skipped where an Internet connection is otherwise
     available).  Among other things, I'm setting it up to generate a binkp
     domain in the vein of fidonet.net, and host/routing lists for ifmail,
     ifcico, binkd, and fidogate, but using *only* information gleaned from
     the official Nodelist, not external sources.

     This postprocessor also has the ability to spew Nodelist format
     violation reports for all of the following, which the nodelist
     compiler is currently NOT checking:

     - Node with invalid phone number not listed as `Pvt' and/or `Hold'
       (often IP-only node using the improper 000-IP-AD-DR-ESS format)

     - IP-connected node flying Ixx flag with no destination (allowed
       formats:
       either attached to the flag with :hostname[:port], or as the BBS
       name; possibly also location field)
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     - Internet e-mail connected node flying Ixx flag with no destination
       (allowed: attached to the flag with :email@address, or as the BBS
       name; possibly also location field)

     Note that the first of these three is a very serious violation of the
     Nodelist and Policy4; the fact that there are nodes with 000-
     "telephone numbers" is quite disturbing and *blatantly wrong*.  After
     all, POTS *is* the lowest-common-denominator communications method for
     basic nodes, so the phone number field must be valid for non-`Pvt'
     nodes.  How this should be handled for a "Host" address without POTS
     connectivity, I'm not quite sure yet.

     Stay tuned.  I'll probably set up these violation reports to run each
     week and send the results to a particular echo (as yet undecided).  If
     you'd like to share some insight on this topic, feel free to reply to
     this thread on IP_CONNECT, or send me a netmail (Todd Vierling @
     1:3613/44) or e-mail (tv@pobox.com).

     --- FIDOGATE 4.4.2 * Origin: DuhGate Internet<->Fido -
     mailfido@duh.org for info (1:3613/44.0)

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                                 ARTICLES
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                            E-Mail "Freqs"
                            By Frank Vest
                         puppy6308@texoma.net


     Here's something that might be of interest to a few. Mind you, this is
     running out of Dos with QEMM and Desqview on a 486 with a 33600 modem,
     amazing as that may seem. :-)

     E-Mail Freqs?!?  Yes, it can and is being done. If you're interested
     in getting a file from me and don't want to call my "Dial-up only" BBS
     long distance, you can "Freq" the file via the Internet. Yes, via the
     Internet. I run the Dos version of Internet Rex (Irex) and this allows
     me to let people File request (Freq) files from me via an E-Mail
     message. The requested file is returned via an E-Mail file attach
     message to the requester. Here's how it works;

     Note: This will NOT work via most Fidonet<>Internet gateways. Don't
     try it.

     Load your E-Mail program and create a new message. Address it to
     puppy6308@texoma.net (see the address above if needed). In the subject
     line, put the word  FREQ

     In the text area (where you would normally write the message) put the
     word FREQ and the name of the file you wish to receive. IE: FREQ
     <filename.ext> for each file you want, one per line. I have limits, so
     be gentle. :)

     The E-Mail will look something like this:

     To: puppy6308@texoma.net Subj:
     FREQ ---text area-----------
     FREQ files
     FREQ <next file>

     -----------------------

     The word "Files" is the magic name for my list of all the files I have
     available. Get this first and then you can find out what file(s) I
     have that you might want.

     Remember, the machine that this runs on is also my BBS and Fidonet
     system.

     It does not have a 24/7 connect to the Internet and might take a while
     to process your request. It will get there, just not instantly.

     Also, be sure the E-Mail address you request from is valid. If you use
     some sort of anti-spam in your address, please remove it. Irex returns
     the file requested to the E-Mail address it receives the request from.
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     It has no way of knowing to remove the anti-spam part of your address.
     I'm not in the spam business and you won't receive spam from me....
     nor will I sell your address to others.

     If you use some E-Mail source that doesn't allow file attach E-Mail,
     this won't work, of course.

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                              FRANK'S COLUMN
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     From: "Frank Vest" <flv@texoma.net>
     To: "Warren Bonner" <WDBonner@pacbell.net>

                        "Ancient" History?
                           By Frank Vest

     I've noted that the Fidonews Echo is talking about history in regards
     to the printing press, Presidents of the U.S. of A. and other areas. I
     started thinking about Fidonet... seems like I always think of Fidonet
     when reading something.  :-)

     When we think of "ancient" history, we generally think in terms of
     half centuries, hundreds of years, or more.... Ben Franklin, the
     printing press, Declaration of Independence, and the reported designer
     of the Colonies first official U.S. coin, the copper penny. He put a
     Sun dial with the word "FUGIO" on the front side; on the back he put
     thirteen rings to represent the colonies, and inscribed around the
     circumference the words "WE ARE ONE UNITED STATES".  (Being American
     I'm sorry I don't know the history of other lands very well).

     This begs the question from me of "What is 'Ancient' History"?

     In terms of what most consider "ancient", computers, the Internet,
     Fidonet and other computer related events are far from "old". Still,
     with the fast moving of the technical aspects of computers, a "few
     short years" can be a lifetime.

     Anyway, I started looking in my file archives and came across a file
     from Tom Jennings on the history of Fidonet. It was in 1984(?), a mere
     16 years ago, that Fidonet was born. I thought it might be interesting
     to print the document in view of the "new millennium" which was last
     year, or this year, depending on how one counts. :)  There's some
     things in this article that might just surprise some of us... it did
     me. :)

     If you want a copy of this, send a Netmail to Infomail at 1:124/6308
     with a subject of Fido_History_Pt1 and you should receive a return
     Netmail containing the document. Put something in the text of the
     Netmail so that processors will pass it on without deleting an "empty"
     Netmail.

         ------------------- Begin history1.doc-------------------------
                   FidoNet History and Operation    8 Feb 85


                     This is a long and convoluted document; it has been
             sorely needed for months now, and it finally got done.
             FidoNet is growing at a tremendous rate, and newer sysops
             don't have the information that us oldies (pre Sept 84
             sysops) assume everyone knows; hence the history section
             here. There is a lot of extremely important material covered
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             here that was assumed to be known by all; we are finding out
             otherwise.

                     This also covers some of the dark mysterious secrets
             about the magical node numbers, and how the magical node
             lists appear from nowhere. Those of you that have been
             FidoNet nodes since way back when, spring and summer of
             1984, and watched all this develop (such as it was) in full
             Technicolor, will know most of this; if you are a relatively
             new sysop, much of this may come as a suprise. Everyone
             should read this, experienced sysops, new sysops, and all
             Fido and FidoNet users.

                     FidoNet is no longer just a piece of software; it
             has become complex organism. There are about 160 Fidos in
             FidoNet right now; this does not include Fidos being run as
             Bulletin Board only systems, just ones that you can converse
             with over the net. If the average number of users on each
             system is 300 people, you can start to guess at the scale of
             things today.

             HISTORY:

                     When FidoNet was first tested, there were two nodes:
             myself here at Fido #1 in San Francisco, and John Madill at
             Fido #2 in Baltimore. John and I did all of the testing and
             development for the first pass at FidoNet. Its purpose: to
             see if it could be done, merely for the fun of it, like ham
             radio. It quickly became useful; instead of trying to call
             each others' boards up to leave messages, or expensive voice
             phone calls, Fidonet messages became more or less routine.

                     This was version 7 of Fido sometime in June 84 or
             so; it did not have routing, file attach, retry control,
             error handling, cost accounting, log files, or any of the
             niceties since added. A packet was made, a call placed, the
             packet transferred, that was it. This was adequate for a
             month or two, when there were less than 20 nodes.

                     In August of 84, the number of nodes was approaching
             30; the net was becoming clogged, believe it or not. FidoNet
             wasn't too smart about making calls then. With 30 systems,
             coordination became difficult; instead of a simple voice
             phone call to the (very few!) sysops to straighten out
             problems like modems not answering, wrong numbers, clock
             problems, etc, it took days to get the slightest problem
             repaired. There were by now six nodes in St. Louis, and Fido
             #1 was making separate phone calls for each, when obviously
             one could be made. Enter the beginnings of routing.

                     The "original" FidoNet was very simple and friendly;
             you told me at Fido #1 that you had a FidoNet node ready, I
             put you in the list, with your phone number, and people
             called up and downloaded the list; done!

                     Well ... at first, "everyone knew each other"; we
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             were in more or less constant contact. However, when the
             node numbers got into the twenties, there were people
             bringing up FidoNodes who none of us knew. This was good,
             but it meant we were not in close contact anymore.

                     The Net started to deteriorate; every single week
             without fail there was at least one wrong number, usually
             two. To impress on you the seriousness of wrong numbers in
             the node list, imagine you are a poor old lady, who every
             single night is getting phone calls EVERY TWO MINUTES AT
             4:00AM, no one says anything, then hangs up. This actually
             happened; I would sit up and watch when there was mail that
             didn't go out for a week or two, and I'd pick up the phone
             after dialing, and was left in the embarrasing position of
             having to explain bulletin boards to an extremely tired,
             extremely annoyed person.

                     There were also cases where the new node really
             wasn't up yet, and the number given was a home phone to be
             used temporarily, but I'd forget that, and include it in the
             list anyways. Or the new node wasn't really up yet, and we'd
             all make calls to it and it would not answer, or worse, the
             modem would answer but the software wasn't running, and we'd
             get charged for the call.

                     This obviously could not go on. We had to have some
             way to make sure that at least the phone numbers were
             correct! I started a new policy; before giving out a node
             number and putting it in the list, I had to receive a
             FidoNet message from the new node, directly. This verified
             that at least the new Fido was half way running. At the
             time, Fido had a provision whereby Fido #1 could set the
             node number remotely; I'd send a message back, and presto! a
             new node was up.

                     Well, this didn't work properly either; at the same
             time, the Fido software was changing so rapidly, to
             accomodate all the changes (literally a version a day for a
             few weeks there) that I was losing new node requests, wrong
             numbers caused by illegible handwriting, all sorts of
             problems. Out of laziness I would still assign nodes "word
             of mouth", and got in the same trouble as before.

                     The people in St. Louis (Tony Clark, Ben Baker, Ken
             Kaplan, Jon Wichman, Mike Mellinger) had their local Fidos
             going strong, and understood what FidoNet did, how it
             worked, and what it was about. They volunteered to take over
             the node list, handle new node requests, and leave me with
             the software. They tightened up on the FidoNet message
             requirement, and in a few months, had the "error rate"
             (wrong numbers, etc) down to practically zero, where it is
             today.

                     Though I did the programming, Ken Kaplan, Ben Baker,
             and the crowd in St. Louis did much of the design and most
             of the testing of routing, forwarding, and local nets. They
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             still remain the experts on the intricacies of routing, and
             help sysops set up local nets.

                     Please keep in mind the entire process, from two
             nodes to over 50, took only three months! Fifty nodes is
             more than it sounds; at that level it becomes a large scale
             project. FidoNet went from about 50 nodes in Sept 84 or so,
             to the current 160+ in Jan/Feb of 85.

                     FidoNet today is a network quickly approaching the
             levels of complexity of commercial networks, and has many
             more capabilities than many "mini" networks, such as USENET,
             which has no routing or hosts. Only ARPAnet has some of the
             features of FidoNet. The southern California local network
             is three levels deep, with hosts in Orange, LA, Ventura, San
             Berdino and San Diego counties.

                     FidoNet is just too large today to run as an
             informal club. The potential for error is just too high to
             include numbers at random within the node list. I imagine we
             are in a predicament today what the radio amateur operators
             had a number of years ago.

                     The requirements for new FidoNet nodes are pretty
             minimal, and they appear to be arbitrary and harsh if you
             aren't aware of what's going on. This is to spell them out
             in detail, so everyone will understand the process.

             FidoNet'S PURPOSE:

                     Very simple; it is a hobby, a non-commercial network
             of computer hobbiests ("hackers", in the older, original
             meaning) who want to play with, and find uses for, packet
             switch networking. It is not a commercial venture in any
             way; FidoNet is totally supported by it's users and sysops,
             and in many ways is similar to ham radio, in that other than
             a few "stiff" rules, each sysop runs their system in any way
             they please, for any reason they want.

             THE STIFF RULES:

                     Actually, not as bad as it sounds; basically,
             politeness as a rule:

             1.      New nodes, see below.

             2.      If your system is going to be down for a week or
                     more, please let Fido 51 know. They can take you
                     out of the list while you are gone, so other FidoNet
                     sysops won't be wasting phone calls.

             3.      If you change your phone number, or decide to stop
                     running Fido, let them know, so other FidoNet sysops
                     won't be wasting phone calls.

                     The thing to keep in mind is that FidoNet's
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             telephone calls to send mail are costing someone money; if
             you are down just for a night or so, don't worry about it,
             just make sure your modem doesn't answer.

             THE NODE LIST

                     Obviously (if you are a FidoNet sysop that is) the
             node list is a text file containing all the names, phone
             numbers and other things on each node, and as distributed by
             Fido 51, routing information for the many local networks. It
             is a very compact list, and so there is no clue as to how
             that list is made.

                     Here is the current process for new nodes to obtain
             a node number, and get into the node list. This assumes you
             want to run a public access Fido; specialized systems are
             covered separately, below.


             SET UP FIDO

                     Of course, you should get your Fido running first;
             no sense in trying to run mail if your Fido doesn't run! In
             your FidoNet area, enter a message for Fido #51, and include
             the following information:

             1.      Your boards name
             2.      City and state
             3.      Sysops name
             4.      Board phone number
             5.      Maximum baud rate; 1200 assumed otherwise
             6.      Hours of operation; 24 hrs assumed otherwise
             7.      Way to contact the sysop during the day. This is
                     not absolutely necessary, but it makes it easier
                     if there is some problem.

                     Most of this is pretty obvious. The sysops voice
             phone number will be kept secret; it will not be given out.
             It is only used if there is some problem, and a FidoNet
             message can't be sent for some reason.

                     For Fidos that want to run with an unlisted phone
             number, a few other things are needed:

             8.      A public FidoNet to act as mail host
             9.      The systems actual phone number

                     A host is required for an unlisted number, so that
             you can receive mail. (If you don't want to receive mail,
             then there is no reason for you to be part of FidoNet!) The
             host system will have to have the unlisted phone number, of
             course.

                     Fido 51 needs to have the phone number also, but it
             will be kept secret. This is so that they can contact you
             directly if there is any problem, such as a known bug or a
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             question, or if your host drops out of the network, so there
             is some way to contact the local nodes.

             GETTING A NODE NUMBER

                     This is the part that seems so arbitrary if you
             aren't aware of what's happening. What happens is: you send
             Fido 51 the message described above. When they receive it,
             they put the stuff into the node list and fido list, pick
             you a node number, and mail a copy of it to you the next
             weekend.

                     This tests your system at the same time; you have to
             be able to sucessfully send and receive mail in order to get
             the node number. Out of it, you get a copy of the latest
             lists.

             NOTE:   Fido 51 does not mail out copies of the lists to
             everyone on a regular basis; it would mean too many phone
             calls ($$$ ...). You can get the new node list Friday
             evening at Fidos 10 and 51, or Fidos 1 and 2 later that
             weekend or early the next week, and usually most any other
             busy Fido.

                     If it all works, then 1) you know your system is
             working 2) Fido 51, the node list keepers, knows it's
             working 3) the other 160 or so Fido sysops know that your
             system was working at least as recently as the last node
             list. Print out the last few weeks nodelists; compare all
             the changes, not just the additions.

                     This is why node numbers aren't given out "word of
             mouth", or at other sysops request. It has to be done
             directly, as a test.


             WHAT FIDO 51 REALLY DOES

                     Making the node list is more than just typing in the
             information; they make sure that the information in the list
             is accurate as possible. This frequently means voice phone
             calls to double check, or calls to the new system to see
             what the problem is; sometimes it is as simple as the wrong
             baud rate, the time wrong on the new system, so that it is
             not running FidoNet at the right time.

                     Ken Kaplan and Ben Baker do the node list work when
             they have "spare time"; please be patient! As the number of
             new nodes increases every week, response time goes up.
             Currently, the node list is done once a week; new node
             requests must be received in Wednesday nights mail (by
             Thursday morning) so that they can work on it Thursday
             night, and send it out on Friday night, so that you will
             have it over the weekend. The volume of mail is such that it
             may take a few days to get out.

     FIDONEWS 18-10               Page 15                   5 Mar 2001


                     (Please note that Fido 51 is an unattended node;
             there is no one there to answer Y)ells unless someone
             happens to walk by. The machine is located at Data Research
             Associates, who kindly donated the phone line, and runs on a
             DEC Rainbow 100+, donated by Digital Equipment Corp.)

                     Fido 51 is an extremely busy system; they receive
             125 messages a week through FidoNet alone, so please be
             patient.

             CHANGES, MISTAKES AND UPDATES

                     If you ever find wrong information in the node list,
             please send the information to Fido 51; they will include it
             in the next list.

                     If you become part of a local net, ie. you have an
             incoming host, notify them, and it will be included in the
             node list also. Other changes might be baud rate (got a new
             modem!) hours of operation, board name or sysop, etc.


             SOME OTHER THINGS ...

                     If you have questions or problems with any part of
             Fido or FidoNet, please ask. Here's where to go for
             problems:

             HARDWARE, SOFTWARE, PERFORMANCE OR INSTALLATION TROUBLES

                     Call or FidoNet to Fido #1, me, Tom Jennings.
             FidoNet is best, if possible; that way, I have your "address
             and phone" handy. If not, then call Fido #1 and leave a
             message. If you leave it at G)oodbye, when you call back
             looking for a reply, remember to check in the ANSWERS area;
             Fido will NOT tell you if there is mail for you, you have to
             search for it.

                     Fido #1 always has the latest versions of Fido for
             all hardware supported, available for download. Fido #1
             ALWAYS runs one revision later than the released version; it
             is used to test new features or bug fixes, so that when
             released they will be working. Check the FIDO download area
             for the current Fido version.

                     I have nothing to do anymore with maintaining the
             node list, nor do I hand out node numbers.


             ROUTING, NODE LIST, LOCAL NET QUESTIONS AND PROBLEMS

                     Fido 51. Since they keep the list, they're the ones
             to contact for node list problems. If you want advice on how
             to set up a local net in your area, they can offer help and
             advice.

     FIDONEWS 18-10               Page 16                   5 Mar 2001


             SPECIALIZED SYSTEMS

                     If you are setting up a private network, and it is
             to be truly private, what you do with it is your own
             business. If, however, there is any possiblility that
             members of your private network may wish to communicate with
             any members of the public network, you should contact Fido
             51 for the allocation of a block of node numbers to be
             assigned by you to the nodes in your network. This is to
             avoid node number conflicts upon receipt of FidoNet mail in
             the public network.

             LOCAL NETS

                     Neither I nor Ken Kaplan nor Ben Baker "run"
             FidoNet; local networks such as the one in Southern
             California and Massachusetts are entirely the responsibility
             of the sysops in the area; the only thing we ask is that the
             designated "incoming host" for that area be somewhat
             reliable, for the obvious reason that it will be receiving
             lots of phone calls from across the country.

                     As a matter of fact, you are encouraged to form
             local networks, or join one that exists locally. It makes it
             cheaper for other systems to send you mail, and generally
             streamlines FidoNet operation.

                     Other than that, local nets are totally standalone;
             that is what they are for! For instance, SoCal can run their
             net anyway they please; it is their hardware, their phone
             lines, and their phone bills. It is their investment in
             work, and they should reap the benefits. If there is a
             "FidoNet policy", this is it.

             AND SO ON ...

                     I hope FidoNet is a bit clearer now; if you have any
             suggestions, or want to volunteer to help, please let us
             know. Our only interest is in keeping the node list correct
             and up to date; this simple list is what ties the entire net
             together.



             Ken Kaplan              Fido #51        314/432-4129
             Tom Jennings            Fido #1         415/864-1418
             Ben Baker               Fido #10        314/234-1462

                 -------------- End history1.doc -------------
     Thanks Frank, we hope to get many new and old articles from your
     history dept. and archives.

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     =================================================================
                              NASCAR STORIES
     =================================================================


                             Dale's Story

     A fine Daytona afternoon, the season just begun. My boys were running
     one and two, and I was having fun.

     I probably could have won the thing, but something held me back. I was
     busy watching Dale and Mike, and holding off the pack.

     I was looking toward the front, and not really to the rear. Something
     tapped me on the bumper, but still I had no fear.

     I thought it might be Sterling, I knew he was nearby. When Sterling
     smells the checkered flag, I'll tell ya' he ain't shy.

     I slipped a bit. I turned the wheel. I felt something very odd. It
     wasn't the Sterling tap I'd felt, it was the tap of God.

     "Not now," I said.  "I'm racing hard.  There's still work here to do."
     "Your time is up," he whispered low, "So say a quick adeiu."

     I wasn't really ready, but I didn't have a choice. He'd tapped me on
     the bumper, and I'd heard His hallowed voice.

     So I did as He instructed, I just packed it in and left. I guess it
     can't be helped, that I left some of you bereft.

     Did you see the birds upon the wall, as they scattered in the breeze?
     Will it make it any easier, to know that one of them was me?

     There was also Davey, Dad, and Neil, and some other guys I've known.
     And they all came to Daytona, just to escort me on home.

     Hey! Congratulations, Mikey!  You made a worthy run. I wish you many
     many more.  Your wins have just begun.

     All that fun you had in Victory Lane, I was proud as proud can be. Did
     you see a seagull flying low?  Yeah, Mikey, that was me.

     So friends, fans, and family, don't mourn me for too long. Get on with
     life.  Take care of things. Be brave and proud and strong.

     I'll surely miss you, every one.  About that I will not lie. But as
     long as you remember me, I didn't really die.

     -Author Unknown - as seen on the Internet.
     (Found on the Internet and submitted by NASCAR Fan, Jim White.

                      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
     From: "Roy" <rex13@pacbell.net>
     To: <editor@fidonews.org>; <wdbonner@pacbell.net>
     Subject: Classified a real Bonehead
     FIDONEWS 18-10               Page 18                   5 Mar 2001


     Date: Sunday, March 04, 2001 10:18 AM


     If you've got room in that rag you call Fidonews, here's a little
     rebut to the guy that wrote about his army heros being more worthy of
     our thoughts than Dale Earnhardt...

                 My Heros Aren't Supposed to Die!

     Warriors of ancient times understood dying well and of dying a
     warrior's death. Today's warriors should take a lesson.

     Dale Earnhardt was a warrior and my hero.  And while it may be scant
     comfort to his family, his close friends and his fans, he died in the
     most important battle of his chosen war, on the  battlefield that he
     had finally tamed.  Maybe Daytona came back and delivered a message
     that even heros are mortal, but did you see that old SOB fight?  Old
     Ironhead fought and died fighting and doing what he loved.  Stay high,
     Dale, and keep your foot to the floor.

     Roy Witt <rex13@pacbell.net> or 1:10/22

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     =================================================================
                             FACTS IN HISTORY
     =================================================================


     Fido Editor's friend, the alphabet

        (A)ccepts you as you are
           (B)elieves in "you"
              (C)alls you just to say "HI"
                 (D)oesn't give up on you
                    (E)nvisions the whole of you
                       (F)orgives your mistakes
                          (G)ives unconditionally
                             (H)elps you
                                (I)nvites you over
                                   (J)ust "be" with you
                                      (K)eeps you close at heart
                                        (L)oves you for who you are
                                         (M)akes a difference in your life
                                      (N)ever Judges
                                   (O)ffers support
                                (P)icks you up
                            (Q)uiets your fears
                         (R)aises your spirits
                      (S)ays nice things about you
                   (T)ells you the truth when you need to hear it
                (U)nderstands you
                   (V)alues you
                      (W)alks beside you
                          (X)-plain things you don't understand
                             (Y)ells when you won't listen and
                                (Z)aps you back to reality

        Remember `Flexible Editors' don't get bent out of shape,
        They simply load in another column from backup tape!


                         ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

     From: "WARREN BONNER" <wdbonner@pacbell.net>
     To: "Douglas Myers" <DougM@paonline.com>
     Subject: Re: Poetry contest...

       ----- Original Message -----
       From: Douglas Myers
       To: wdbonner@pacbell.net
       Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 5:11 AM
       Subject: Poetry contest...

       Message-Id: <19991102181062.SM00465@hbg-167-238.paonline.com>

        dm> This was such a pain in the rear
        dm> To write a poem with time so near
        dm> My apprehension grew and grew
        dm> 'Cause nothing rhymed with Timbuktu...
     FIDONEWS 18-10               Page 20                   5 Mar 2001


        wd> As your anguish and apprehension `grew',
        wd> yer wits on end and thinking cap askew...
        wd> A lump in yer throat and tummy in a stew,
        wd> The camel you ride stumbles into... Timbuktu!
        wd> <Where Tim Allen waites for you...show time>
        wd> (snicker)


        dm> As a writer I may not be all that terrific
        dm> But a writer for TV ain't good, he's prolific.
        dm> Ten minutes tops for a daytime soap
        dm> Not more than twenty for a sitcom, I'd hope.
        dm> An hour for a special would be fine, I'd say,
        dm> But a true work of art takes at least a day...


       wd> As a writer or a columnist,
       wd> I try to find a new twist ...
       wd> Oh to find the truth in the mist,
       wd> of all rhetoric gets me pissed!

       wd> I try and try to vent my spleen,
       wd> polish verbal apples to a sheen...
       wd> On history and funnies I'm keen,
       wd> and on Sundays my karma I preen.

       wd> And if cannot attend the nearby church,
       wd> my efforts are wasted...I'm left in the lurch!
       wd> Then my sweet Jannie, my wife of  fourth years,
       wd> appears by my side, takes a kleenex to my tears...
       wd> smiles her prettiest, as she wipes away my fears...
       wd> whispers,"`horny'...you've had too many beers!"

       wd> Usually she calls me warrnie,
       wd> or sometimes `Warrnie Barnie'...
       wd> but never would she call me `horny',
       wd> from her that would be too `corny'!
       8^))



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     =================================================================
                                  RECIPES
     =================================================================

     By: Dave Drum
     To: All
     ----------------------------------------------------------------------
     MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

           Title: Easy Shrimp Etouffee
      Categories: Cajun, Seafood
           Yield: 4 servings

          12 tb Margarine
           1    Bell pepper, chopped
           1 c  Ro-tel tomatoes
           1 ts Worcestershire sauce
           2 cl Garlic; minced
           1 c  Cream of mushroom soup
           3 md Onions; chopped
           4    Ribs celery, chopped
                Juice of 1/2 lemon
         1/4 c  Parsley, chopped
           2 lb Shrimp, peeled
         1/4 c  Green onion tops, chopped

       Saute Onions, bell Pepper, Celery and Tomatoes in Margarine,
       covered, for two hours. Add remaining ingredients and cook
       30 more minutes. Serve over hot rice.

     MMMMM

     ENJOY!!!

     ... Uncle Dirty Dave's Kitchen
     ... Home of HARDIN Cider & Yaaa Hooo Ahhh Hot Sauce!!!

      * Origin: Salata * Redondo Beach, CA * 310-543-0439 33.6k (1:102/125)

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     =================================================================
                              FIDONET FICTION
     =================================================================

     Too many pillars of Fido are departing, brought this article to mind.

                           HOW COULD YOU?

     Copyright Jim Willis 2001
     <jwillis@bellatlantic.net> ..........Author's email address

     When I was a puppy, I entertained you with my antics and made you
     laugh.

     You called me your child, and despite a number of chewed shoes and a
     couple of murdered throw pillows, I became your best friend. Whenever
     I was "bad," you'd shake your finger at me and ask "How could you?" -
     but then you'd relent, and roll me over for a bellyrub.

     My housebreaking took a little longer than expected, because you were
     terribly busy, but we worked on that together. I remember those nights
     of nuzzling you in bed and listening to your confidences and secret
     dreams, and I believed that life could not be any more perfect. We
     went for long walks and runs in the park, car rides, stops for ice
     cream (I only got the cone because "ice cream is bad for dogs," you
     said), and I took long naps in the sun waiting for you to come home at
     the end of the day.

     Gradually, you began spending more time at work and on your career,
     and more time searching for a human mate. I waited for you patiently,
     comforted you through heartbreaks and disappointments, never chided
     you about bad decisions, and romped with glee at your homecomings, and
     when you fell in love.

     She, now your wife, is not a "dog person" - still I welcomed her into
     our home, tried to show her affection, and obeyed her. I was happy
     because you were happy. Then the human babies came along and I shared
     your excitement. I was fascinated by their pinkness, how they smelled,
     and I wanted to mother them, too. Only she and you worried that I
     might hurt them, and I spent most of my time banished to another room,
     or to a dog crate. Oh, how I wanted to love them, but I became a
     "prisoner of love."

     As they began to grow, I became their friend. They clung to my fur and
     pulled themselves up on wobbly legs, poked fingers in my eyes,
     investigated my ears, and gave me kisses on my nose. I loved
     everything about them and their touch - because your touch was now so
     infrequent - and I would have defended them with my life if need be.

     I would sneak into their beds and listen to their worries and secret
     dreams, and together we waited for the sound of your car in the
     driveway. There had been a time, when others asked you if you had a
     dog, that you produced a photo of me from your wallet and told them
     stories about me. These past few years, you just answered "yes" and
     changed the subject. I had gone from being "your dog" to "just a dog,"
     and you resented every expenditure on my behalf.
     FIDONEWS 18-10               Page 23                   5 Mar 2001


     Now, you have a new career opportunity in another city, and you and
     they will be moving to an apartment that does not allow pets. You've
     made the right decision for your "family," but there was a time when I
     was your only family.

     I was excited about the car ride until we arrived at the animal
     shelter. It smelled of dogs and cats, of fear, of hopelessness. You
     filled out the paperwork and said "I know you will find a good home
     for her." They shrugged and gave you a pained look. They understand
     the realities facing a middle-aged dog, even one with "papers." You
     had to pry your son's fingers loose from my collar as he screamed "No,
     Daddy! Please don't let them take my dog!" And I worried for him, and
     what lessons you had just taught him about friendship and loyalty,
     about love and responsibility, and about respect for all life. You
     gave me a goodbye pat on the head, avoided my eyes, and politely
     refused to take my collar and leash with you. You had a deadline to
     meet and now I have one, too.

     After you left, the two nice ladies said you probably knew about your
     upcoming move months ago and made no attempt to find me another good
     home. They shook their heads and asked "How could you?"

     They are as attentive to us here in the shelter as their busy
     schedules allow. They feed us, of course, but I lost my appetite days
     ago. At first, whenever anyone passed my pen, I rushed to the front,
     hoping it was you - that you had changed your mind - that this was all
     a bad dream...or I hoped it would at least be someone who cared,
     anyone who might save me. When I realized I could not compete with the
     frolicking for attention of happy puppies, oblivious to their own
     fate, I retreated to a far corner and waited.

     I heard her footsteps as she came for me at the end of the day, and I
     padded along the aisle after her to a separate room. A blissfully
     quiet room. She placed me on the table and rubbed my ears, and told me
     not to worry. My heart pounded in anticipation of what was to come,
     but there was also a sense of relief. The prisoner of love had run out
     of days. As is my nature, I was more concerned about her. The burden
     which she bears weighs heavily on her, and I know that, the same way I
     knew your every mood.

     She gently placed a tourniquet around my foreleg as a tear ran down
     her cheek. I licked her hand in the same way I used to comfort you so
     many years ago. She expertly slid the hypodermic needle into my vein.
     As I felt the sting and the cool liquid coursing through my body, I
     lay down sleepily, looked into her kind eyes and murmured "How could
     you?" Perhaps because she understood my dogspeak, she said "I'm so
     sorry." She hugged me, and hurriedly explained it was her job to make
     sure I went to a better place, where I wouldn't be ignored or abused
     or abandoned, or have to fend for myself - a place of love and light
     so very different from this earthly place. And with my last bit of
     energy, I tried to convey to her with a thump of my tail that my "How
     could you?" was not directed at her. It was you, My Beloved Master, I
     was thinking of. I will think of you and wait for you forever.

     May everyone in your life continue to show you so much loyalty.

     FIDONEWS 18-10               Page 24                   5 Mar 2001


                             The End

                     ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

     A note from the author: If "How Could You?" brought tears to your eyes
     as you read it, as it did to mine as I wrote it, it is because it is
     the composite story of the millions of formerly owned pets who die
     each year in America's shelters.

                         ~~~~~~~~~~~end~~~~~~~~~~~


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     =================================================================
                             GETTING TECHNICAL
     =================================================================


                      `How to make a FILE_ID.DIZ'

     Firstly, for those not sure just what that is, it's a description of a
     file entered by the author, and importable by the majority of BBS
     softwares of today, right into the sysop's filebase.  No more
     mis-described files!

     The 'DIZ' file is straight ascii text that is added to the archive and
     the text will be used by most systems to replace any other description
     that may be in the filebase.  The name must be 'FILE_ID.DIZ'.

     Format:

     By proper use, should be no more than 10 lines with each line no more
     than 45 characters.  There should be no blank lines, characters other
     than A-Z, 0-9, or common punctuation.  Some softwares will improperly
     display a 'DIZ' if these rules are not followed although many systems
     can adapt to color codes specific to their software or handle more
     lines.

     Common Standards:

     The first line or two of the 'DIZ' normally repeats the name of the
     file (such as FNEWSH10.ZIP) and a brief description or version.

     If a file is to be split into 2 or more parts when hatched, the common
     standard is to add in the first two lines, the comment '1 of 2' then
     in each successive file, '2 of 2' etc.

     Successive lines (up to 10) are then used to more fully describe the
     product.

     Example:

     Text of a FILE_ID.DIZ

     FIDONEWS issue 05 March, 2001 Send submissions to Warren Bonner
     1. Election results- R13
     2. Cat maims Philip Lozier- News at 11
     3. Late results- R13 holds new election
     4. Fidonews, Does it really exist?
     5. Techie Notes- DIZ's
     6. M00se on the loose! xx ex'ed!
     7. Late note: Z1C appoints temp RC13, Election pending, region
        in mourning


     Grin, that was fun to make up!  But shows the essense of a FILE_ID.DIZ
     format.

     Now there are softwares which can assist in making a 'DIZ' format
     FIDONEWS 18-10               Page 26                   5 Mar 2001


     file.  One I found is called S_IDM110.ZIP.  I downloaded it from
     www.doorgames.org.  It allows for things outside the 'pure
     specifications' for those who desire to do so. No promises that a
     particular BBS will be able to READ those extra items, but at 5$ it's
     a nifty little tool!

     Primary resource used for information: Richard Holler's FILEID.TXT
     version 1.7.

                                          xxcarol

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     =================================================================
                               POET'S CORNER
     =================================================================


                          by Rachel P. Veraa
     Blue Glove

     Waiting for the soup du jour
     He don't love me any more.
     How in hell can I endure
     Waiting for the soup du jour.

     I hold the glove -- his glove --
     by a fingertip,
     swinging in time to the music.

     A puerile tenor whines his loss
     to empathetic guitars and dobros.
     A grumpy drunken drum concurs.

     Waiting for the soup du jour
     He don't love me any more.
     How in hell can I endure
     Waiting for the soup du jour.

     The glove held to my nose,
     I inhale an intimation of his skin,
     a faint sweaty accent upon the leather.

     Where did we go that he wore gloves?
     Nowhere that I recall.
     It's lain forsaken in my purse
     since god knows when.

     Dropped in there,
     anticipating this night,
     Dropped to remind me
     of where we never went,
     of where I'll never go
     with him.

     Waiting for the soup du jour
     He don't love me any more.
     How in hell can I endure
     Waiting for the soup du jour.

     Guitar and dobro moan in plagal cadence.
     The glove suspended by a fingertip,
     Its palm turned away from me,
     Makes an obscene gesture

     That seems appropriate.

     -- Copyright 1997 by Rachel P Veraa

     FIDONEWS 18-10               Page 28                   5 Mar 2001


     For a reallllly great web site please visit:

     http://www.netside.net/~rveraa/

     Take the time to look through thoroughly... verrry nice.

     Ol'wdb


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     =================================================================
                                   HUMOR
     =================================================================


     The father of five children had won a toy at a raffle.
     He called his kids together to ask which one should have
     the present.

     "Who is the most obedient?" he asked.

     "Who never talks back to mother?

     Who does everything she says?"

     Five small voices answered in unison.

     "Okay, dad, you get the toy."

                      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

     By: Matt Mc_Carthy
                            FAST CAT's
     My daughter's cat had the habit of sleeping on the large marble top
     table that held her dead 32" TV.  One day, I got it working, and dozed
     in the easy chair waiting for her to come home from work.  Meanwhile,
     the cat had resumed his nap in front of the TV.  When daughter came
     home, I hit the remote ON, the picture tube charged up, and charged
     the cat with one loud POP!  Cat and fur went EVERYWHERE.  Cat has
     never since walked on the same side of the room as the TV! <BEG>

          M. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


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     =================================================================
                           QUESTION OF THE WEEK
     =================================================================

     ----------------------------------------------------------------------
                      How About A Spring Picnic?

     All Regions in all Zones: How about a Spring  Picnic??? Is it a viable
     possibility? SoCal has had two such picnics that were most enjoyable.
     If each region would select a Picnic coordinator that would get the
     fun on the road to success.

     SoCal `Mile Square' Picnic again this year? Good Idea, right as rain!
     That could bring everyone together again for camaraderie and a gentle
     workshop to talk over variables in today's equation with the merging
     technologies, and get a warm handshake even among adversaries. Renew
     old and make new acquaintances.

     And when the spring rains depart, Easter around the corner, Mothers
     opening up their windows in a flurry of "spring cleaning", and Dads
     soon resetting the clocks forward an hour, etc... 'Tiz time to start
     thinking of a date that would please as many as possible.  It should
     be a weekend after Easter (April 15th) in my opinion as the weather
     will be ideal, not too warm and not too cool.  A suggestion from last
     picnic was for more lead time for all to plan ahead, that is the
     reason for this question article. Let me hear from all of you please.

     I can certainly do that four gallon "TexUS ChiLLi"<TM> recipe of mine
     again. (It must be good 'cause there isn't any left in the pot after
     each of 4 picnics. *^)) (Had to brag a little). I'll bring a gallon of
     my special salsa also. Others need to send me net/e-mails of their
     specialities and contributions.  Of coarse you can bring the whole
     family!

     Ol'wdb  wdbonner@pacbell.net or 1:1/23

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     =================================================================
                                  NOTICES
     =================================================================


     My bbs is on the internet and is telnettable and also httpable. It is,
     of course, Linux and BBBS for linux. Give a look, 'telnet 24.0.151.4'.

     Warren
                | Warren Hrach, Moderator Fido Linux-user echo |
                |        BBBS and Linux lives here             |
                |  BBS (619}224-4878 telnet/http, ask for add. |

                --- BBBS/LiI v4.01 Flag-2
                * Origin: Ocean Beach BBS, San Diego, Ca (1:202/745)

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                          Last update:  March 3, 2001

     FidoNet
     Homepage:     http://www.fidonet.org
     FidoNews:     http://www.fidonews.org   [HTML]
                   ftp://ftp.nwstar.com/fidonet/fidonews/
     Echolist:     http://www.baltimoremd.com/echolist/
     Echomail links: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidonet/fidoip.html
     SDS Files:    http://fidobbs.dk/download (Web Access to SDS)
     FTSC page:    http://www.ftsc.org/
     General:      http://www.writebynight.com/fidonet.html

     Zone 1:       http://www.z1.fidonet.org
       Region 10:  http://www.r10.org
         Net 102   http://home.earthlink.net/~kayshapero/net102.htm
         Net 103:  http://www.webworldinc.com/club103/
         Net 203:  http://www.geocities.com/Area51/8687/net203index.html
       Region 11:  http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/
        Net 2410:  http://www.vector.11.com/net2410/
       Region 12:  http://sparkys.dyndns.org
       Region 13:  http://www.net264.org/r13.htm
         Net 264:  http://www.net264.org/
         Net 275:  http://www.homershut.net/~mahoover/net275/
       Region 14:  http://www.ouijabrd.com/region14
         Net 282:  http://www.rxn.com/~net282/
       Region 15:  <vacant>
       Region 16:  <vacant>
       Region 17:  http://www.region17.net
         Net 140:  http://www.nwstar.com/~net140
       Region 18:  http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/

       Region 19:  http://bise.tzo.com/r19
         Net 124:  http://www.dallasinet.com/net124
                   http://texoma.net/~flv
         Net 130:  http://www.startext.net/homes/net130
         Net 393:  http://www.chatter.com/~wb/

     Zone 2:       http://www.z2.fidonet.org
       Region 20:  http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)
       Region 23:  http://www.fido.dk (in Danish)

       Region 24:  http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German)
                   http://www.was-ist-fido.de/
         Fido-IP:  http://home.nrh.de/fido/ (English/German)
       Region 25:  http://www.literary.freeserve.co.uk/net2502/
       Region 26:  http://www.nemesis.ie
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          REC 26:  http://www.nrgsys.com/orb
       Region 27:  http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm
       Region 29:  http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/  (French)
                   http://Welcome.to/skynetbbs/
       Region 30:  http://www.fidonet.ch  (German)
     ? Region 33:  http://www.fidoitalia.net  (Italian)
       Region 34:  http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm  (Spanish)
           REC34:  http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/4552/
       Region 36:  http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/
       Region 38:  http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html
       Region 41:  http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English)
       Region 42:  http://www.fido.cz
     !    Net422:  http://www.fido.sk (Slovak/English)
       Region 50:  http://www.fido7.com/  (Russian)
        Net 5010:  http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/  (Russian)
        Net 5015:  http://www.fido.nnov.ru/  (Russian)
        Net 5028:  HTTP://5028.nordnet.ru/
        Net 5030:  http://kenga.ru/fido/  (Russian & English)
        Net 5049:  http://www.n5049.z2.fidonet.org  (English/Russian)
        Net 5074:  http://www.z2.n5074.fidonet.net
     ??  Net 5085:  http://www.fidonet.uz/ (Russian)

     Zone 3:       http://www.z3.fidonet.org

     Zone 4:
       Region 80:  http://fidobrasil.8m.com  (Portuguese)
       Region 90:
         Net 904:  http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish)

     Zone 5:       http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/

     Zone 6:       http://www.z6.fidonet.org
       Region 65:  http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html
                   (Chinese)


                          Fidonet Via Internet Hubs

     See also: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidoip.html

     a @ preceding an individual's name implies a virtual email
     address. The email is translated as follows
     firstlast@osirusoft.com will automatically route to the
     appropriate individual's email.  Anyone in this list will
     also receive routed notice of this feature.  In my case, it
     would still be joejared@osirusoft.com, but you get the idea.

     Also, as information is provided to me, I will be adding a
     latency field to each node, which is defined as the maximum
     time between when the message is received, and when it is
     sent on to other nodes, or available to be sent onward,
     defined in minutes. A latency of ! implies that there is an
     immediate response, and an attempt to deliver immediately
     after processing, or a "MinuteMail System", as it were.

                v-email flag firstnamelastname@osirusoft.com
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                | email address or
     Node#      | Operator          | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate
                |                   |                |latency|
     -----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
     Zone 1     |                   |                |       |
       10/3     | Brenda Donovan    | FTP,UUE,BinkP  | 384K,30| n/c
       10/345   @ Todd Cochrane     | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,!  | n/c
       13/25    @ Jim Balcom        | FTP            | 56k   | $20mo.
       18/500   @ Ross Cassell      | FTP, BinkP     |128K+,!| n/c
      103/5     @ Mark Luetger      | BinkP          | 384k,!| n/c
      103/153   @ Michael Box       | BinkP          | aDSL,!| n/c
      103/301   @ Joe Jared         | BinkP,FTP,NFS  | 384k,!| n/c
      103/401   @ Warren Bonner     | BinkP          | aDSL,!| n/c
      105/8     | Russ Johnson      | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k  | n/c
      105/72    @ Larry James       | FTP, BinkP     | aDSL  | $50/yr
      106/1     @ Steve Loupe       | BinkP, FTP     | 128k  | ???
      106/6018  | Lawrence Garvin   | FTP, VMoT      | aDSL,60| n/c
      107/453   @ Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo.
      140/1     @ Bob Seaborn       | FTP,BinkP      | T3,30 | $5/$16
      167/133   | Stephen Monteith  | BinkP          | 128k+ | n/c
      211/417   @ Korombos          | BinkP,UUE,FTP  | T1    | n/c
      220/10    | groberts@nexusbbs.net |BinkP,FTP,UUE|1.5M+ | n/c
      218/109   @ Matt Munson       | BinkP,UUE      | 33.6k | n/c
      246/160   @ Mason Vye         | FTP, UUE       | 56K   | n/c
      249/116   | Carl Austin Bennett | FTP, UUE    |ADSL,60 | n/c
      280/169   | Brian Greenstreet | FTP            | 33.6  | $2mo.
      342/3     @ Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP      | 128K+ | n/c
      395/670   | Arthur Stark      | BinkD,FTP      | CABLE | n/c
      379/1     @ Dale Ross         | FTP, BinkP,UUE | 256K+,! n/c
      396/45    | Marc Lewis        | UUE            | 33.6  | $26/yr
      396/48    | Ben Ritchey       | UUE:BFDS       | 33.6k | n/c
     2604/104   @ Jim Mclaughlin    | FTP,VMoT,UUE   | 33.6  | $1mo
     2613/404   @ David Moufarrege  | BinkP,FTP,VMoT | 128k+,!| n/c
     2624/306   | David Calafrancesco  | VMoT        | 33.6  | n/c
     3407/4     @ jyates@bsdi.ldl.net | UUE,FTP            | 28.8  | n/c
     3632/84    | Robert Todd    |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
     3651/9     @ Jerry Gause       | FTP,VMoT       | 33.6  | $3/$6
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 2     |
       20/11    | Henrik Lindhe     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       31/1     | Gabriel Plutzar   | BinkP          | T1+   | n/c
      203/600   | Mikael Karlsson   | UUE            | 64k   | n/c
      221/360   @ Tommi Koivula     | BinkP,UUE      | ???   | n/c
      236/205   @ Michael Kaaber    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      246/2098  | Volker Imre       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      280/1601  @ Jeroen VanDeLeur  | FTP,UUE        | 64k   | n/c
      292/620   | Eddy Missoul      | VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 64k   |N/C
      292/624   | Steven Leeman     | UUE          | 64k     | N/C
      292/907   | Bart Verhaeghe    | BinkP,VMoT,UUE | 64K   | n/c
      292/2003  | Eric Vaneberck    | BinkP          | 768k  | n/c
      301/1     | Peter Witschi     | BinkP          | 768k  | n/c
      332/807   | Roberto Mascolo   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      335/535   @ Mario Mure        | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k   | n/c
      335/610   | Gino Lucrezi      | UUE            | 33.6  | n/c
      344/201   | Julio Garcia      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      346/3     @ Carlos Navarro    | UUE            | ???   | n/c
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      382/100   | Sinisa Burina     | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      406/555   | Ofir Michaeli &   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      406/555   | Marius Kaizerman  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      423/81    | Milos Bajer       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      465/204   | Va Milushnikov    | BinkP          | 33.6k | n/c
      469/84    | Max Masyutin      | VMoT           | 256k  | n/c
      480/112   | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k  | n/c
      550/4077  | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE            | ----- | n/c
     2411/413   @ Dennis Dittrich   | UUE,BinkP      | 64k   | n/c
     2446/301   @ Lothar Behet      | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K   | n/c
     2474/275   | Christian Emig    | UUE            | 64k   | unkn
     5030/115   | Andrey Podkolzin  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5100/8     | Egons Bush        | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5020/1159  | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE          | 33.6  | n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 3
      633/260   @ Malcolm Miles     | FTP,BinkP      | 64K   | n/c
      640/954   | Rick Van Ruth     | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c
      774/605   @ Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c

     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 4
      801/161   @ Renato Zambon     | UUE            | 33.6  |n/c
      905/100   | Fabian Gervan     | VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 128k  | n/c
      902/18    | Javier Tejedor    | UUE            | 33,6  | n/c

     --
     * FTP   = Internet File Transfer Protocol
     * VMoT  = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
     * UUE   = uuencode<->email type transfers
     * BinkP = front end mailer for TCPIP networks
     * NFS   = Linux Networking
     ----------------------------------------------
     Fidonet oriented news servers

     news.osirusoft.com
     news.tardis.net

     Fidonet oriented chat rooms.

     room #fidonet  5PM (PDT 11AM GMT) Sundays
     irc.osirusoft.com  (Peers wanted)

     ----------------------------------------------

     Please send updates, corrections and suggestions to
     Joe Jared, 1:103/301, joejared@osirusoft.com.  All email addresses
     here for purpose of corresponding with fidonet members about
     obtaining a feed.  Improper use of the virtual email addresses, and
     most especially, email addressed to blockme@relays.osirusoft.com
     will be considered a request to be blocked by my open relay spam
     stopper at http://relays.osirusoft.com




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