      F I D O N E W S         Volume 17, Number 42             16 Oct 2000
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                        Table of Contents
     1. EDITORIAL  ................................................  1
        Editorial  ................................................  1
     2. LETTERS TO THE EDITOR  ....................................  2
     3. ARTICLES  .................................................  5
        ARTICLES  .................................................  5
     4. COLUMNS  ..................................................  9
        Ol'Codger's Column  .......................................  9
     5. NET HUMOR  ................................................ 11
     6. COMIX IN ASCII  ........................................... 13
     7. QUESTION OF THE WEEK  ..................................... 14
     8. FIDONET BY INTERNET  ...................................... 15
        Fidonet Related Sites  .................................... 15
     9. FIDONEWS INFORMATION  ..................................... 20
        Masthead  ................................................. 20
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                                 EDITORIAL
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     wdbonner@pacbell.net

     Great Day, wonderful day, happy day! Our spirits are up! Our Fidonews
     is beginning to move in the right direction.  I apologize for the many
     posts by those persons in a religious `war' with each other. They saw
     an opportunity to move into Fnews echo in Doug's passing. It is ironic
     that the most un-christian mordant meanness exudes in the engagement,
     comprising the tranquility and purpose of the echo. The parties all
     claim the right to free speech, twisted to protect personal beliefs. I
     have reluctantly "put a lid on it" when it didn't go away in a few
     days.

     We have some new things to consider in our "letters to the editor"
     this week. Please take time to read them. I am especially looking
     forward to many replies to my querrie on articles posting in DUAL
     (two) languages. I have received no "Dual" articles as of this date.
     Eneryone says they are for it, no one has opposed...Yet. Janis and
     Winston have offered translation checking and will be busy if this
     scheme ever gets "off the ground".

     Several have already applauded the idea as long as an English
     translation accompanies the submitted articles and published with
     them. That may help with your "other" language by keeping you
     "refreshed".  It wont help with your "Pig latin" though.<chuckle>
     Anyway, let me know your opinion.

     Ooops...News flash... The "wonderful, happy day just crashed! News
     just came this morning of the cowardly attack by terrorists on a U.S
     Navy Destroyer Vessel as she entered port in Yemen for a four hour
     refueling operation.

     The explosion occurred aboard a small vessel assisting in docking and
     the damage killed 17 sailors and injured three dozen some severely.
     This is a major portion of the crew on a new destroyer such as the USS
     Cole and the ship was severely damaged in the suicide attack .

     Our thoughts and prayers are with the families of those killed and of
     the sailors injured in the blast and we wish them a speedy recovery.
     We hope that those responsible will be brought to justice. I want to
     thank those readers who wrote me with their thoughts on this tragedy.

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                           LETTERS TO THE EDITOR
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     *                Letters on the Ed's Desk
     From: "Matthew  C. Mc Carthy" 1:396/1.4 <mmc_c@juno.com>
     To: <editor@fidonews.org>

     Hi Warren.

     "The present officers being "grandfathered", (factored) in the plan. I
     personally like, "International_WWW.Fidonet" for a name. Let me hear
     what YOU think, please, that I may modify the ideas presented thus
     far. Bear in mind this is only a discussion of Policy 4.07".
     --------------------

     That last sentence should read:
      "Bear in mind this is only a discussion of Policy 1.00".

     The rationale being that Policy 4.07 was a non-ratified document that
     is held in esteem by some SysOps, and held in disregard by other
     SysOps. That particular document, in and of itself, is a great
     divisive factor within FidoNet!

     If we are going to build a 'new ladder', we should begin from scratch,
     and start from the bottom rung, Ver 1.0.  Even the term "policy" is in
     itself offensive to some SysOps!

     Perhaps the term "Protocol Ver 1.0" would provide a smoother starting
     point.

     _Everything_ in FidoNet should be first clearly defined within the
     document, ie: What is FidoNet?  What is a BBS?  What is a SysOp? What
     is a Hub?  What is Netmail?  What kinds of Netmail are there?  What is
     an Echo?  What is Echomail?  What is a Moderator?  What is the EList?
     What is the FTSC?  What is...  etc., etc.

     Once all the definitions are fixed, then the interrelations can be
     demonstrated.

     Beyond that point, there will be very little need for much "policy" as
     almost everything will have already been spelled out "by definition".

     One super-ambiguous phrase would likely remain valid though, and I can
     think of no better way to express it, 'do not annoy nor be easily
     annoyed'.

     ALL the "commoners" (SysOps) should be allowed to provide input, as
     well as be allowed to vote on the final product.

     Some areas likely for lively discussion would be those concerning ZMH,
     and the ability to receive Netmail.  All such discussions should be
     steered towards the NEW document, not the "way it's always been". What
     does FidoNet _need_ in the 21st century!

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                   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Thank you Matt, lets see
     if that cast catches a fish! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

     From: "Michael Kleerbaum" 2:2432/203 <Michael.Kleerbaum@t-online.de>
     To: <editor@fidonews.org>

     Hi Warren,

     there is another place, were everybody can download the FidoNews. From
     the first issue to the latest, we have all collected. You can read
     them there online or you can download them.

     www.was-ist-fido.de

     You don't have to speak German to find them on this homepage. The only
     thing you have to do is to Click on the "FidoNews"-Button.

     Please can you add our Homepage to this chapter?

     + -- -- -- -- -- -- FIDONEWS AVAILABILITY -- -- -- -- -- -- + | | |
     Freq FIDONEWS @ 1:140/1, or 1:396/1               | |
     ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/fnews/                | |
     ftp://ftp.nwstar.com/fidonet/fidonews/            | |
     http://www.fidonews.org                           | |         email
     subscription: majordomo@fidonews.org        | |         ftp mail:
     ftpmail@fidonews.org (subject: help)    | | | + -- -- -- -- -- -- --
     -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --  -- +

     Thanks a lot! Michael


      ------Thanks for the invitation, and information, ol'wdb
     ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

      (6952)  Thu 12 Oct 00  1:56p By: Warren Bonner To: Darrell Salter Re:
     What do you think??? St: Sent
     --------------------------------------------------------------- Warren
     Bonner wrote in a message to ALL:

       WB>Please let me know your thoughts on short dual lingo articles.

       DS>I'm all for it. Thank you for asking.

       Darrell

     Thanks for the input Darrell.

     ol'wdb ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


     (6993)  Thu 12 Oct 00 12:40a By: Gregory Parks To: Warren Bonner Re:
     What do you think??? St: Rcvd
     ----------------------------------------------------------------- -=>
     Quoting Warren Bonner to ALL <=-

      WB> English is the official language of the Fidonews, but does WB>
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     that prohibit articles being dual language presented to the WD> editor
     for consideration? And if approved being published? WB> Please let me
     know your thoughts on short dual lingo articles.

      Do it! It'd do some of us monolingual types good and we might learn
     something too. Actually I've studied classical latin several years so
     if they ever perfect time travel...

     Thanks for your input. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ (7006)  Thu 12 Oct 00
     5:48p By: Michael Grant To: Warren Bonner Re: In Rememberance of
     Doug... St: Rcvd
     ------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi
     Warren;

     Please don't take it as a criticism, but watching your initial "no
     rules" proclamation, and almost immediate ensuing flame-fest that
     occured in here, I couldn't help thinking that somewhere Doug Myers is
     having a good chuckle over your sudden "baptism by fire" as Editor and
     moderator of FIDONEWS.

     FWIW, I think you have handled the extrordinary (For FIDONEWS, at
     least) circumstances quite well, and considering things that were
     said, you showed remarkable tolerance and restraint.

     I'm sure it'll eventually get better here... ;)

     Thanks for your input! ol'wdb





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                                 ARTICLES
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              The How, When, Where and Why cookbook
                   of FidoNet File Distribution
            by Janis Kracht 1:2320/38 (janis@filegate.net)

     No doubt you are familiar with Fidonet's life-blood, the message
     echo which allows you to converse with people from all over the
     world.  Along with the echomail bundles you pick up daily, most
     likely you have the opportunity to also pick up file echos.  This
     'cousin' of echomail makes shareware and freeware files from all
     over the world available daily through the IFDC FileGate Project and
     the Fidonet Filebone.

     This article will attempt to provide a history of file distribution
     for the curious, and cover the essentials in file distribution on
     the bbs side, that is, the sysop who wants to make these files
     available on his BBS for end-users.  While it can't possibly replace
     the documentation for your file tossing software, it may help a bit
     in understanding the process.

     In the beginning ....
     (disclaimer: or far back as I can remember, corrections welcome <g>)

     In the late 80's-early 90's, Barry Geller wrote a neat tool to allow
     file archives to be distributed in much the same way as message
     echos, i.e., to go from one system to another.  His original TICK
     program took care of the receiving and forwarding of new files,
     while a companion program that Barry included, HATCH, allowed bbs
     sysops to release new files into the file stream.

     In Barry's word's:

     "     Tick is a program which does for files what echomail does for
     messages.  It was largely inspired by the program "Flea", by Ron
     Bemis."

     Before Barry developed TICK, file distribution was pretty much
     limited to file requests, or limited distribution to specific sites.
     Someone would collect files of interest to a specific audience and
     have some people pick up new files, etc.  Using this exciting new
     toy, TICK, a number of people began send out files they'd collected,
     or wrote themselves in distribution networks (FDNs).
     One-Stop-Shopping became the phrase of the day as coordinators were
     linked into FidoNet Star systems either directly, or through HUBs.

     Some of the pioneers of the day and their FDNs included: Larry
     Mundy's Win*Net, Eric Van Riper's PDN (Programmers Distribution
     Network), Peter Stern's DVNet, Al Davenport's DDS (Al lived about 15
     minutes from the Mid-Hudson NY city where I lived), Lee Laird's Ham
     fdn, Ray Kaliss' SDN, Tom Hendricks' SDS, Kevin's ANSI Club FDN, and
     Jerry Seward's Util*Net - apologies to any I've forgotten to include
     here <smile>.
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     The Fidonet Stars then included George Peace, John Souvestre and
     Dave James.  When George Peace wrote a neat utility named RAID that
     worked with TICK to announce files, I'd bet that just about
     everything seemed perfect <smile>

     In the heyday of file echos, coordinators sought files everywhere
     they could, released them, new fdns were born to seek out yet more
     types of files, and went the files to the masses in Fidonet...

     Eventually this incredible growth began to put strains on our
     pockets, our drives, and most importantly, our file tossing software.
     Tick was unable to handle the huge numbers of links and file echo
     tags and so work was begun on software like FileManager, AllFix,
     and OS/2 native software.

     Along the time of modem/node number frenzy of the mid-90's when
     fidonet saw an incredible amount of growth, file distribution had
     become an expensive hobby, forcing a good number of folks to shrink
     their FDNs or reconsider the release of the latest titles.  To
     remedy this, a group of FDN Coordinators and interested overseas
     people approached U.S.Robotics Corporation's Adam Strack, who at the
     time was the manager of the Online Communications department.  I'd
     worked with Adam beforehand, helping him a bit to get a FidoNet
     compatible mailer running for the Corporate BBS that USRobotics
     hoped would provide support and sales in the FidoNet Community.

     The FileGate Project was born when Adam agreed to use the Online
     Communications Dept.'s phone lines, modems and systems to move our
     FDN files to sites located on 6 of the 7 major continents.  For the
     next 6 or 7 years, the FileGate FDNs placed a U.S.Robotics banner on
     archives as they were hatched as a thank you to U.S.Robotics.  The
     FileGate Project continues now with it's own archive comment which
     indicates where one can find out more about the project.

     FileGate files are now funneled into the filebone as well. I
     figured it would be the greatest chance for all of Fidonet to reap
     the benefits of the distribution and so the FileGate and Filebone
     began working hand in hand several years ago.

     These days, if you are not running AllFix, your BBS system probably
     has its own file tossing software included, or available from your
     bbs software author separately, or you may be running one of the
     free-ware tick compatible clones. I'm running BBBS bbs software, a
     shareware bbs program, which includes a tick-compatible file manager
     which is configured pretty easily in bbbs' ASCII text external.bbb
     file. (darn that's a lot of b's <g>)

     Essentially all file tossing software works the same way:  You tell
     the program where on your system you would like to store the files
     that come in, who will be sending the files to your system and to
     whom they should be sent once received, whether to make the files
     passthrough or not, and most likely, the bbs's name for the file
     area.

     Tick uses a simple ASCII configuration file which lists your
     zone-net-node info, work directory, etc. and a list of the area
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     segments which indicates the areas you want to import.  Each segment
     represents a file echo, and that segment lists the nodes who will be
     sending that file echo to you, or picking up that file echo from
     you, and where you keep the files on your drives:

           Path               Tag
     ==================================
     Area c:\files\pdn\pdncee PDNHATCH
     1:2320/38 PASSWORD C 1:720/111
      PASSWORD &* 2:2/222 &*

     explanation:
     (1:2320/38 has files crashed to it)
     (other sites are "receive only" do not send)

     Area c:\files\pdn\PDNCEE
     1:2320/38 PASSWORD *&
     1:720/11 PASSWORD C
     2:2/222 PASSWORD C

     Explanation:
     (1:2320/38 is receive only)
     (Other nodes have files crashed to them)

     When tick is run in the mailer's batch file, it reads the .tic files
     in the incoming directory, moves the archives associated with the
     tic to the directory specified in your config file, updates the
     directory's file description (files.bbs type) file, generates new
     .tic files and file attach messages for your downlinks.

     Tick was great because I don't think I've seen a bbs software
     package that couldn't use it - perhaps not easily, but it could be
     done <smile>

     The shareware bbs program, BBBS, uses the following format for file
     echos in external.bbb on my linux box:

     F NODEDIFF   /bbbs/files/nodediff/ 1:2320/38 VA  1:103/105 109/921

     The F in the first column is a group designator which you can tie to
     permissions for access to the file echo.  VA says to make the area
     visible (V) and to create an ASCII text file regarding the release
     so that you can announce the file (A).  Node information regarding
     crash, hold, etc. is contained in the node section of the
     external.bbb file, though you can include it on this line if you
     like, i.e., >H1:103/105 (send this file to this node with Hold
     flavor for pickup)

     Allfix is shareware, and uses a config program (asetup) that you run
     to make changes to the config file. Asetup's interface is much like
     the FrontDoor mailer's config program - set up cannot be done in an
     ASCII config file.

                              End of Part I
                              Thanks Janice

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                                  COLUMNS
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                  wdbonner@pacbell.net
                    "Famous Quotes"

     Ah, yes, divorce......., from the Latin word meaning
     to rip out a man's genitals through his wallet.
      --Robin Williams

     Women complain about premenstrual syndrome, but I
     think of it as the only time of the month that I can be myself.
      --Roseanne

     Women need a reason to have sex. Men just need a place.
      --Billy Crystal

     You can say any foolish thing to a dog, and the dog will give you a
     look that says, "My God, you're right! I never would've thought of
     that!"
     --Sean Connery

     According to a new survey, women say they feel more comfortable
     undressing in front of men than they do undressing in front of other
     women.  They say that women are too judgmental, where, of course,
     men are just grateful.
      --Robert DeNiro

     I am not the boss of my house.  I don't know how I lost it.  I don't
     know when I lost it. I don't think I ever had it. But I've seen the
     boss's job and I don't want it.
      --Bill Cosby

     In the last couple of weeks I have seen the ads for the Wonder Bra.
     Is that really a problem in this country?  Men not paying enough
     attention to women's breasts?
     --Hugh Grant

     We have women in the military, but they don't put us in the front
     lines.  They don't know if we can fight or if we can kill.  I think we
     can.  All the general has to do is walk over to the women and say,
     "You see the enemy over there?  They say you look fat in those
     uniforms."
     --Elayne Boosler

     There's a new medical crisis.  Doctors are reporting that many men are
     having allergic reactions to latex condoms.  They say they cause
     severe swelling.  So what's the problem?
     --Dustin Hoffman

     When the sun comes up, I have morals again.
      --Elizabeth Taylor

     There's very little advice in men's magazines, because men don't think
     there's a lot they don't know.  Women do.  Women want to learn. Men
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     think, "I know what I'm doing, just show me somebody naked.
      --Jerry Seinfield

     If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten.
      --George Clooney

     Instead of getting married again, I'm going to find a woman I don't
     like and just give her a house.
     --Rod Stewart

     The problem with the designated driver program, it's not a desirable
     job.  But if you ever get sucked into doing it, have fun with it.  At
     the end of the night, drop them off at the wrong house.
     --Jeff Bridges

     See, the problem is that God gives men a brain and a penis,
     and only enough blood to run one at a time.
      --Robin Williams




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                                 NET HUMOR
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                  This weeks Humor

     "What's the usual tip?" a man growled when the college boy who
     delivered his pizza.

     "Well," the student replied, "this is my first delivery, but the other
     guys said that if I got a quarter out of you, I'd be doing great."

     "That so?" grunted the man. "In that case, here's five dollars."

     "Thanks," the student said, "I'll put it in my college fund."

     "By the way, what are you studying?"

     "Applied psychology."

                      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

     When the preacher's car broke down on a country road, he walked to a
     nearby roadhouse to use the phone.  After calling for a tow truck, he
     spotted his old friend, Frank, drunk and shabbily dressed at the bar.
     "What happened to you, Frank?" asked the good reverend. "You used to
     be rich."

     Frank told a sad tale of bad investments that had led to his downfall.
     "Go home," the preacher said.  "Open your Bible at random, stick your
     finger on the page, and there will be God's answer."

     Some time later, the preacher bumped into Frank, who was wearing a
     Gucci suit, sporting a Rolex watch, and had just stepped out of a
     Mercedes.  "Frank," said the preacher, "I am glad to see things have
     really turned around for you."

     "Yes, preacher, and I owe it all to you," said Frank.  "I opened my
     Bible, put my finger down on the page and there was the answer....
     Chapter 11." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ YOU KNOW YOU'RE `MATURE'
     WHEN............. 1.  You and your teeth don't sleep together. 2. Your
     try to straighten out the wrinkles in your socks and discover you
     aren't wearing any. 3.  At the breakfast table you hear snap, crackle,
     pop and you're not eating cereal. 4.  Your back goes out but you stay
     home. 5.  When you wake up looking like your driver's license picture.
     6.  It takes two tries to get up from the couch. 7.  When your idea of
     a night out is sitting on the patio. 8.  When happy hour is a nap. 9.
     When you're on vacation and your energy runs out before your money
     does.. 10. When you say something to your kids that your mother said
     to you and you always hated it. 11. When all you want for your
     birthday is to not be reminded of your age. 12. When you step off a
     curb and look down one more time to make sure the street is still
     there. 13. Your idea of weight lifting is standing up. 14. It takes
     longer to rest than it did to get tired. 15. Your memory is shorter
     and your complaining lasts longer. 16. Your address book has mostly
     names that start with Dr. 17. You sit in a rocking chair and can't get
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     it going. 18. The pharmacist has become your new best friend. 19.
     Getting "lucky" means you found your car in the parking lot. 20. The
     twinkle in your eye is merely a reflection from the sun on your
     bifocals. 21. It takes twice as long - to look half as good. 22.
     Everything hurts, and what doesn't hurt - doesn't work. 23. You look
     for your glasses for half an hour and they were on your head the whole
     time. 24. You sink your teeth into a steak - and they stay there. 25.
     You give up all your bad habits and still don't feel good. 26. You
     have more patience, but it is actually that you just don't  care
     anymore. 27. You finally get your head together and your body starts
     falling apart. 28. You wonder how you could be over the hill when you
     don't even remember being on top of it. 29  Your doctor says, "You
     have heart trouble and dropsy". 30  What is that you ask? Doc:"You
     drop down on your butt, and don't have the heart to get up"!
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                              COMIX IN ASCII
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     COMIX.CMX
                   COW IN PASTURE

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     BY  Targon (Ed Wisniewski)


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                           QUESTION OF THE WEEK
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     1. Your Question
     ---------------------------------
     A group of friends who prided themselves on their
     intelligence set out to have a contest of wits.

     Each person in turn asked a question, and anyone who
     volunteered an answer that was wrong dropped out. If
     no one could answer, the questioner himself had to
     answer, and if he was wrong, he dropped out.

     Each dropout had to put $5 into the pot.

     Eventually the matter boiled down to Thompson and Brown,
     and the erudition of each one boiled up so that both were
     held even for half an hour.

     Finally Thompson said, "How does a gopher dig a hole without
     leaving a mound of dirt at the lip?"

     Brown thought about that and said, "I can't answer that.
     However, since it's your question, you had better answer it."

     Thompson said coolly, as he reached for the accumulated
     pile of bills. "Easy. The gopher starts at the bottom of
     the hole and that's where he leaves the dirt."

     "Hold on," said Brown heatedly, grasping Thompson's wrist to
     prevent him from taking the pot. "How does the gopher get to
     the bottom of the hole in the first place?"

     "That's your question," said Thompson as he took the money.
                            ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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                            FIDONET BY INTERNET
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                       |    FIDONET-RELATED SITES    |
                       ` -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- -
                      Last update:  September 16, 2000

     FidoNet
     Homepage:     http://www.fidonet.org
     FidoNews:     http://www.fidonews.org   [HTML]
                   ftp://ftp.nwstar.com/fidonet/fidonews/
                   ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/fnews/
     Echolist:     http://www.baltimoremd.com/echolist/
     Echomail links: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidonet/fidoip.html
     SDS Files:    http://fidobbs.dk/download (Web Access to SDS)
     FTSC page:    http://www.ftsc.org/
     General:      http://www.writebynight.com/fidonet.html

     Zone 1:       http://www.z1.fidonet.org
       Region 10:  http://www.r10.org
                   http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html
         Net 103:  http://www.webworldinc.com/club103/
         Net 203:  http://www.geocities.com/Area51/8687/net203index.html
       Region 11:  http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/
        Net 2410:  http://www.earforce.dyndns.org/net2410/
       Region 12:  http://sparkys.dyndns.org
       Region 13:  http://www.net264.org/r13.htm
         Net 264:  http://www.net264.org/
         Net 275:  http://www.homershut.net/~mahoover/net275/
       Region 14:  http://www.ouijabrd.com/region14
         Net 282:  http://www.rxn.com/~net282/
       Region 15:  <vacant>
       Region 16:  <vacant>
       Region 17:  http://www.nwstar.com/~region17/
         Net 140:  http://www.nwstar.com/~net140
       Region 18:  http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/

       Region 19:  http://bise.tzo.com/r19
         Net 124:  http://www.startext.net/np/net124
                   http://texoma.net/~flv
         Net 130:  http://www.startext.net/homes/net130
         Net 393:  http://www.chatter.com/~wb/

     Zone 2:       http://www.z2.fidonet.org
                   ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/zone2 (Z2 nodelists etc.)
       Region 20:  http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)
       Region 23:  http://www.fido.dk (in Danish)

       Region 24:  http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German)
                   http://www.was-ist-fido.de/
         Fido-IP:  http://home.nrh.de/fido/ (English/German)


       Region 25:  http://www.literary.freeserve.co.uk/net2502/
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       Region 26:  http://www.nemesis.ie
          REC 26:  http://www.nrgsys.com/orb
       Region 27:  http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm
       Region 29:  http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/  (French)
                   http://Welcome.to/skynetbbs/
       Region 30:  http://www.fidonet.ch  (German)
     ? Region 33:  http://www.fidoitalia.net  (Italian)
       Region 34:  http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm  (Spanish)
           REC34:  http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/4552/
       Region 36:  http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/
       Region 38:  http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html
       Region 41:  http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English)
       Region 42:  http://www.fido.cz
     !    Net422:  http://www.fido.sk (Slovak/English)
       Region 50:  http://www.fido7.com/  (Russian)
        Net 5010:  http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/  (Russian)
        Net 5015:  http://www.fido.nnov.ru/  (Russian)
        Net 5028:  http://5028.yaroslavl.ru/
        Net 5030:  http://kenga.ru/fido/  (Russian & English)
        Net 5049:  http://www.n5049.z2.fidonet.org  (English/Russian)
        Net 5074:  http://www.z2.n5074.fidonet.net
     ??  Net 5085:  http://www.fidonet.uz/ (Russian)

     Zone 3:       http://www.z3.fidonet.org

     Zone 4:
       Region 80:  http://fidobrasil.8m.com  (Portuguese)
       Region 90:
         Net 904:  http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish)

     Zone 5:       http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/

     Zone 6:       http://www.z6.fidonet.org
       Region 65:  http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html
                   (Chinese)


                          Fidonet Via Internet Hubs

     See also: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidoip.html

     a @ preceding an individual's name implies a virtual email
     address. The email is translated as follows
     firstlast@osirusoft.com will automatically route to the
     appropriate individual's email.  Anyone in this list will
     also receive routed notice of this feature.  In my case, it
     would still be joejared@osirusoft.com, but you get the idea.

     Also, as information is provided to me, I will be adding a
     latency field to each node, which is defined as the maximum
     time between when the message is received, and when it is
     sent on to other nodes, or available to be sent onward,
     defined in minutes. A latency of ! implies that there is an
     immediate response, and an attempt to deliver immediately
     after processing, or a "MinuteMail System", as it were.

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                v-email flag firstnamelastname@osirusoft.com
                | email address or
     Node#      | Operator          | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate
                |                   |                |latency|
     -----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
     Zone 1     |                   |                |       |
       10/3     | Brenda Donovan    | FTP,UUE,BinkP  | 384K,30| n/c
       10/345   @ Todd Cochrane     | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,!  | n/c
       12/12    @ Ken Wilson        | FTP            | T1    | $24mo.
       13/25    @ Jim Balcom        | FTP            | 56k   | $20mo.
      103/5     @ Mark Luetger      | BinkP          | 384k,!| n/c
      103/153   @ Michael Box       | BinkP          | aDSL,!| n/c
      103/301   @ Joe Jared         | BinkP,FTP,NFS  | 384k,!| n/c
      103/401   @ Warren Bonner     | BinkP          | aDSL,!| n/c
      105/8     | Russ Johnson      | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k  | n/c
      105/72    @ Larry James       | FTP, BinkP     | aDSL  | $50/yr
      106/1     @ Steve Loupe       | BinkP, FTP     | 128k  | ???
      106/6018  | Lawrence Garvin   | FTP, VMoT      | aDSL,60| n/c
      107/453   @ Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo.
      140/1     @ Bob Seaborn       | FTP,BinkP      | T3,30 | $5/$16
      167/133   | Stephen Monteith  | BinkP          | 128k+ | n/c
      211/417   @ Korombos          | BinkP,UUE,FTP  | T1    | n/c
      218/109   @ Matt Munson       | BinkP,UUE      | 33.6k | n/c
      244/2     | Kari Suomela   | FTP,VMoT,BinkP,UUE| T1,!  | $25.00/mo
      246/160   @ Mason Vye         | FTP, UUE       | 56K   | n/c
      280/169   | Brian Greenstreet | FTP            | 33.6  | $2mo.
      342/3     @ Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP      | 128K+ | n/c
      395/670   | Arthur Stark      | BinkD,FTP      | 128k  | n/c
      379/1     @ Dale Ross         | FTP, BinkP,UUE | 256K+,! n/c
      396/1     @ John Souvestre    | FTP,VMoT       | T1,10 | $5/mo
      396/45    | Marc Lewis        | UUE            | 33.6  | $26/yr
     2604/104   @ Jim Mclaughlin    | FTP,VMoT,UUE   | 33.6  | $1mo
     2613/404   @ David Moufarrege  | BinkP,FTP,VMoT | 128k+,!| n/c
     2624/306   | David Calafrancesco  | VMoT        | 33.6  | n/c
     3613/2     @ jyates@bsdi.ldl.net | UUE            | 28.8  | n/c
     3632/84    | Robert Todd    |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
     3639/93    @ Ross Cassell      | FTP, BinkP     |128K+,!| n/c
     3651/9     @ Jerry Gause       | FTP,VMoT       | 33.6  | $3/$6
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 2     |
       20/11    | Henrik Lindhe     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       31/1     | Gabriel Plutzar   | BinkP          | T1+   | n/c
      203/600   | Mikael Karlsson   | UUE            | 64k   | n/c
      221/360   @ Tommi Koivula     | BinkP,UUE      | ???   | n/c
      236/205   @ Michael Kaaber    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      246/2098  | Volker Imre       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      280/1601  @ Jeroen VanDeLeur  | FTP,UUE        | 64k   | n/c
      292/620   | Eddy Missoul      | VMoT, UUE      | 64k   |N/C
      292/624   | Steven Leeman     | UUE          | 64k   | N/C
      292/2003  | Eric Vaneberck    | BinkP          | 768k  | n/c
      301/1     | Peter Witschi     | BinkP          | 768k  | n/c
      332/807   | Roberto Mascolo   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      335/535   @ Mario Mure        | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k   | n/c
      335/610   | Gino Lucrezi      | UUE            | 33.6  | n/c
      344/201   | Julio Garcia      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      346/3     @ Carlos Navarro    | UUE            | ???   | n/c
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      382/100   | Sinisa Burina     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      406/555   | Ofir Michaeli &   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      406/555   | Marius Kaizerman  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      423/81    | Milos Bajer       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      464/4077  | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE            | 19.2  | n/c
      465/204   | Va Milushnikov    | BinkP          | 33.6k | n/c
      469/84    | Max Masyutin      | VMoT           | 256k  | n/c
      480/112   | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k  | n/c
     2411/413   @ Dennis Dittrich   | UUE,BinkP      | 64k   | n/c
     2446/301   @ Lothar Behet      | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K   | n/c
     2474/275   | Christian Emig    | UUE            | 64k   | unkn
     5030/115   | Andrey Podkolzin  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5100/8     | Egons Bush        | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5020/1159  | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE          | 33.6  | n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 3
      633/260   @ Malcolm Miles     | FTP,BinkP      | 64K   | n/c
      640/954   | Rick Van Ruth     | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c
      774/605   @ Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c

     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 4
      905/100   | Fabian Gervan     | VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 128k  | n/c
      902/18    | Javier Tejedor    | UUE            | 33,6  | n/c

     --
     * FTP   = Internet File Transfer Protocol
     * VMoT  = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
     * UUE   = uuencode<->email type transfers
     * BinkP = front end mailer for TCPIP networks
     * NFS   = Linux Networking
     ----------------------------------------------
     Fidonet oriented news servers

     news.osirusoft.com
     news.tardis.net

     Fidonet oriented chat rooms.

     room #fidonet  5PM (PDT 11AM GMT) Sundays
     irc.osirusoft.com  (Peers wanted)

     ----------------------------------------------

     Please send updates, corrections and suggestions to
     Joe Jared, 1:103/301, joejared@osirusoft.com.  All email addresses
     here for purpose of corresponding with fidonet members about
     obtaining a feed.  Improper use of the virtual email addresses, and
     most especially, email addressed to blockme@relays.osirusoft.com
     will be considered a request to be blocked by my open relay spam
     stopper at http://relays.osirusoft.com

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