      F I D O N E W S         Volume 17, Number 21             22 May 2000 
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                        Table of Contents
     1. EDITORIAL  ................................................  1
        Good Ol' Boys  ............................................  1
     2. LETTERS TO THE EDITOR  ....................................  4
        Power Mongers  ............................................  4
        Ex-sysop's vision of Fido on the Web  .....................  5
     3. ARTICLES  .................................................  7
        The FidoNet Technical Standards Committee  ................  7
     4. COLUMNS  ..................................................  9
        Ol'WDB: Kids Say the Darndest Things  .....................  9
        This Weeks Web Page  ......................................  9
     5. NET HUMOR  ................................................ 11
        Real Books... Unreal Titles!  ............................. 11
     6. COMIX IN ASCII  ........................................... 12
        Even Moo Famous Cows  ..................................... 12
     7. INTERNET INFO  ............................................ 13
        Fidonet-related sites  .................................... 13
     8. FIDONEWS INFO  ............................................ 17
        Masthead  ................................................. 17
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                                 EDITORIAL
     =================================================================


                                Good Ol' Boys
                                  Doug Myers


     ----- Part of an echomail message from Z1C -----

     DH> When things have been solved, I (not you) will report
     DH> resolution of MY (not your) problem.

     RC> The Zone was given input into the selection of the current Z1C,
     RC> I will do whatever it will take within my control to see that
     RC> this ZONE is fully informed of any 'growling' or innuendo to
     RC> remove him? The good ole or GOB days are over Dallas. To your
     RC> credit at least you werent beating around the bush..

     ---------------

     In such strident words does Ross Cassell chastise Dallas Hinton for
     perceived evils of the past.  Ironically, as Region 18 Coordinator,
     Ross carries the credentials for a full-fledged membership in the
     "Good Ol' Boys" Club which he decries.  However, he's made a point
     of distancing himself from such association - indeed, he even made a
     reputation for himself as a champion of the "Grunt Sysop" in his
     running of the last Z1C election.

     Dallas, on the other hand, has been widely portrayed by his
     detractors as the epitome of cronyism, both for his longstanding
     role as Region 17 Coordinator and his close association with Bob
     Satti.  While this editor doubts that Dallas is truly evil
     incarnate, the lingering reputation does make him a favored target
     for soap box oratory.

     So what's going on here?  Is there truly a cabal of "Good Ol' Boys"
     which needs busting up, or is Ross merely engaging in demagoguery?
     Did the "Good Ol' Boys" network ever exist, and have they now been
     overthrown by a democratic coalition of "Grunt Sysops?"

     Often, reality is less dramatic than the terms used to characterize
     it, and this may be the case here.  Just what are "Good Ol' Boys"
     that they need be feared so?  A straightforward translation of the
     term would imply that it's a group of individuals who have learned
     to work together and have developed a mutual trust and respect.  If
     the term "boys" can be taken without gender, then the "Good Ol'
     Boys" have been in charge of Fido from the very beginning, and
     continue to this day.  What more apt description than the sysops who
     originally joined with Tom Jennings in the fledgling Fidonet?  How
     else did a group who described themselves as "anarchists" work
     together except by developing trust and respect among themselves?

     But "Good Ol' Boys" is alternately sometimes used as a slur to
     indicate a powered group that is ingrown, using their
     FIDONEWS 17-21               Page 2                   22 May 2000


     close-knittedness to exclude new members and ideas.  Probably it's
     this latter meaning which Ross implies when he chastises Dallas.

     Did, indeed, a controlling group take over Fidonet and exclude all
     others?  The popular legend is that this happened when the
     Coordinator structure adopted Policy 4 as a governing document,
     granting coordinators regulatory powers.  Tom Jennings, widely
     respected as the founder of Fidonet, complained at the time that the
     powers granted were far in excess of the duties taken on by
     coordinators, and maintained that the policy document should merely
     be ignored.  In fact, the legitimacy of Policy 4 has been often
     challenged on the basis that it was never ratified by the sysops who
     comprise the network.

     The case for the Coordinators taking over Fidonet by adoption of
     Policy 4.07 is weak in this editorial opinion.  The structure
     defined in P4 only covers the distribution of netmail, which is only
     part of the net's function.  Important areas, such as echomail and
     file distribution are not substantially addressed.  Indeed, informal
     organizations have grown in the years since P4's adoption to
     administer in these areas, and coordinator control isn't a
     significant part of these organizations.  To my mind, a group of
     coordinators hell-bent on controlling all aspects of the
     organization which is Fido would have merely written these two areas
     into P4 somewhere along the line.

     In fact, Policy 4.07 has never been modified in its ten year
     history, with strong indication that the Coordinators couldn't pull
     together sufficient numbers from their own ranks to adopt any
     changes if they tried.  David Moufarrege ran for the Z1C position
     partly on the basis of a promise to attempt to introduce some needed
     changes to policy... and, to his credit, he certainly tried -
     especially in the early part of his administration.  Yet there's no
     evidence yet that the ideas he's presented have taken hold with the
     Coordinator structure... not even with those in Zone 1.  I doubt
     that the Coordinators as a group will ever address any changes - for
     the simple reason that change can be accomplished through other
     methods, even in defiance of policy.

     If you're confused as to my point, let me just remark that I'm not
     exactly describing an omnipotent cabal of Coordinators with an
     iron-clad and self-serving Policy here :)

     In fact, this editor suspects that the only power coordinators have
     ever held is a bit of technical competence and the willingness to
     make the net go.  The power is derived from others recognition of
     these qualities, and has little to do with policy documents or
     control from some tight-knit group.

     So how about the notion that Fido is now democratically controlled?
     Evidence, again, is to the contrary.  Though elections are the order
     of the day in Fido, an embarrassing detail is that less than 5% of
     all systems seem to participate in the largest elections.  Though
     the intention may be to make Fido a democracy, the bulk of the
     electorate declines to participate.

     FIDONEWS 17-21               Page 3                   22 May 2000


     What does seem to be true now is that any sysop interested can have
     a voice in Fidonet.  Though power groups are often perceived in the
     Coordinator structure, as well as with echomail movers and file
     movers, "outsiders" have often voiced their opinions, gathered
     support, and had their way despite opposition by those perceived to
     be in power.  It seems that Fidonet is now governed by those with
     the interest in governing it... but isn't this just another "Good
     Ol' Boys" club?

     Despite the unusual length of this editorial, I should - in fairness
     - answer the question of whether I believe that Ross Cassell is
     engaged in demagoguery.  Perhaps some may consider Ross as the
     legendary Don Quixote to be tilting with windmills here... but I
     consider him, also like Don Quixote, to be keeping ideals alive.
     Though my reading of the debate in the Z1C echo indicates only that
     Dallas Hinton called for David Moufarrege to "shit or get off the
     pot" and was not a serious attempt to call for his removal - it's
     still nice to know that concerned individuals like Ross will keep
     such debates in the open.  It's what keeps the _actual_ "Good Ol'
     Boys" club good :)



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                           LETTERS TO THE EDITOR
     =================================================================


                                Power Mongers
                           Email from Ross Johnson
                              russj@dimstar.net


     -->8-- cut here
     So I thought of myself (you still guess, what the hell have
     cablemodems got to do anything with what you are saying?) ... What's
     e-mail. It's nothing but a simple host supporting the POP3/SMTP
     protocol. What we simply need to do is set up one or more
     mailservers, develop a new protocol and a mailclient to support the
     new protocol. A cable-modem can make it possible to set up a
     mailserver with several gigabytes for mail and file-storage without
     paying much.
     -->8-- cut here

     I had a similar idea, but it went something like this:

     1> use existing technology (news servers)
     2> Allow only "known" systems to connect.
            2a> Only "registered" users can read/post.
     3> Abusive systems can be disconnected. This will require definite
        rules.
     4> no "open feeds".
     5> only moderated newsgroups.

     It would not be hard to build a well run news system that could
     augment the echomail system we have now. This system could run in
     parallel to the current news servers on the internet. There's no
     need to create a new protocol. What we might do is use a different
     tcp/ip port, to make ourselves a little different. This could
     differentiate the system enough to let people know that it's not
     just another news system.

     If it's kept moderated, then we wouldn't have the problems plaguing
     the newsgroups like Spam.

     Only allowing registered users makes it harder for news scanners to
     "mine" email addresses and other information.

     A definite set of rules would need to be developed, with
     consequences for those who break the rules, up to and including
     being disconnected from the system. This in and of itself will make
     the whole proposition difficult to build and maintain. The easiest
     way to ensure smooth operation would be to have a few "master" nodes
     that everyone connects to. Every time this type of a system has come
     up in Fido, I've watched as some scream "power monger!" and the
     system either withers and dies, or people who have nothing better to
     do continue to complain until the rest of us throw our hands up in
     disgust.

     FIDONEWS 17-21               Page 5                   22 May 2000


     Anyway, that's my idea in a nutshell. If anyone wants to discuss
     this (without calling me a power monger! <G>) feel free to write me
     at either of the following addresses.

     Russ Johnson
     russj@dimstar.net
     1:105/8


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                     Ex-sysop's vision of Fido on the Web
                           Email from Brian Kessler
                          BrianKessler@postmark.net

     Hello!

     I'm an ex-SysOp from NJ and I just made a random pitstop at
     http://www.fidonet.org/    ... I wanted to see if Fidonet even still
     existed.... was happy to see that it does, even though in a surely
     diminished form (I noticed there seem to be a few zones missing?).

     Anyway, I agree that the Internet is a lot more impersonal and
     commercial than the Fidonet was (is?).

     With the explosion of free ISPs, I don't see any real niche for any
     BBS that can't get itself a permanent connection to the INet... as
     for Fidonet, I agree it needs a better portal into the Internet.
     Not as web pages though... they are too annoying to navigate... not
     as newsgroups or they'll be exposed to too much spam...

     I think there are two directions to go (other than optimistic
     promotion of telenetable BBSs)... one is a java client that can be
     loaded by java capable browsers that can connect to a "fido-server"
     and manage mail as we might have done offline with Blue Wave.

     The second is an actual Fido-client (or a plug in for existing
     software such as Outlook Express) which would allow for the handling
     of netmail, echomail, mailing file-id's with a links to a fido-ftp
     for the file-echos...  perhaps the client software would use
     assigned point numbers and members would still require human
     approval in order to prevent/limit comercial abuse...

     I don't have all the answers, but I don't think Fidonet has to
     either die, be virtually lost on the web, or be subject to comercial
     abuses...  If everyone and their uncle can put out their own buddy
     list application and still find a user base, I think some developers
     within Fidonet can put out a Fidonet application and if we retain
     the virtues we had before, find a user base.

     Just some ideas for you to pass along...

     -Brian.

     Brian Matthew Kessler <BrianKessler@postmark.net>
     FIDONEWS 17-21               Page 6                   22 May 2000


     SpacePort Industries UnLimited
     Chaos and Creativity Department
     http://bmk.cjb.net

     Are you still reading me?  The message is  over.  Go away!


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     =================================================================
                                 ARTICLES
     =================================================================


                  The FidoNet Technical Standards Committee

     This is the second part of three letters posted by Colin Turner in
     the FTSC_PUBLIC echo, containing information about this important
     Fido organization.  Thanks to Lesley-Dee Dylan for forwarding this
     information to Fidonews.

     ---------------

     Here are some Frequently Asked Questions (and answers) concerning
     the FTSC.

     * How do I join the FTSC?

       The FTSC is an elected body, and you can only be appointed in this
       way.

       Elections are held periodically. You can ask in FTSC_PUBLIC when
       the next election is likely to be. Keep watching FTSC_PUBLIC and
       FidoNews for announcements.


     * How do I suggest my own new standard?

       Any point or node can suggest a new standard. You should read
       FTA-1002 and to a lesser extent FTA-1001, FTA-1006 and FTA-1007.
       After that you should know all you need to, but you can always
       contact the FTSC administrator to clarify any problems.


     * Where do I find the development information I need?

       Experienced developers can find the information they require on
       the FTSC Archive site:

       WWW
         http://www.ftsc.org

       FTP
         ftp://ftp.ftsc.org

       FidoNet 2:443/13.0 and 2:443/14.0

       A list of mirrors is also available.

       Beginners might find it useful to look at the RoadMap project to
       help them find the documents of interest.


     * How can I contact the FTSC?

     FIDONEWS 17-21               Page 8                   22 May 2000


       The FTSC can be contacted in a variety of ways.

       FidoNet

         Contact the Administrator, Colin Turner, at 2:2/20

       InterNet email

         Contact admin@ftsc.org

       Snail mail

       FTSC
       PO Box 443
       Bangor
       Northern Ireland
       BT20 3BF
       UK


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     FIDONEWS 17-21               Page 9                   22 May 2000


     =================================================================
                                  COLUMNS
     =================================================================


                         Kids Say the Darndest Things
                                    Ol'WDB

     A first grade teacher collected well known proverbs. She gave each
     child in her class the first half of a proverb and asked them to
     come up with the remainder of the proverb. Their insight may
     surprise you.

     Better to be safe than...................... Punch a 5th grader
     Strike while the............................ Bug is close
     It's always darkest before.................. Daylight Savings Time
     Never underestimate the power of............ Termites
     You can lead a horse to water but........... how?
     Don't bite the hand that.................... looks dirty
     No news is.................................. impossible
     A miss is as good as a...................... Mr.
     You can't teach an old dog new.............. math
     If you lie down with dogs, you'll........... stink in the morning
     Love all, trust............................. me
     The pen is mightier than the................ pigs
     An idle mind is............................. The best way to relax
     Where there's smoke there's................. pollution
     Happy the bride who......................... gets all the presents
     A penny saved is............................ not much
     Two's company, three's...................... the Musketeers
     Don't put off till tomorrow what............ you put on to go to bed
     Laugh and the whole world laughs
       with you, cry and......................... you have to blow our nose
     None are so blind as........................ Stevie Wonder
     Children should be seen and not............. spanked or grounded
     If at first you don't succeed............... get new batteries
     You get out of something what you........... see pictured on the box
     When the blind leadeth the blind............ get out of the way

     And the favorite.....
     Better late than............................ pregnant


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                             This Weeks Web Page
                                by Frank Vest
                                1:124/6308(.1)

     What: FidoNet NET124

     Where: http://www.startext.net/np/net124/


     Net124 is in Dallas, Tx. That's pretty obvious from the "skyline"
     FIDONEWS 17-21               Page 10                  22 May 2000


     scene and link button to "Dallas, TX USA". :)  Below the Dallas
     skyline are links telling about Fidonet, Fidonet History and such.
     In the sale list of links are some things I really like. I'll just
     take them in order of appearance. :)

     People:
     Do you ever wonder who some of the people in Fidonet are, what they
     look like and such? Here you will see some of the current and past
     members of Net124. Yes, I'm in there as well as the R19C. :-)

     Current Dallas Nodes:
     Yup, it's a list of the Nodes in Net124. The list is generated by a
     program written, if I'm not mistaken, by Net124's Paul Lentz.

     Next is a link to "Information about joining FidoNet". This is a
     good overview of what it takes to join Fidonet.

     Under this link are links to:

       Our Friends in NET130's WEB Page
       Our Friends in NET393's WEB Page
       R19 WEB Page
       Collin County Station BBS WEB Page

     This is a nice gesture in that Net130 and 393 are close to Net124
     and share some local echos. The R19 page was reviewed last week and
     I thank Paul for getting the new link up on the Net124 page. Of
     course, My little page is in there as well. :)

     Now, move on down and you'll find the "Fidonet dog with diskette".
     Click on the dog and, if you have a sound card, you should hear
     something. :)

     Ok, that's the site. I like it and there is some good information in
     there. Check it out.

     Regards,

      Frank - flv@texoma.net


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     =================================================================
                                 NET HUMOR
     =================================================================


                         Real Books... Unreal Titles!
                              Thanks to Roy Reed


     The Foul and the Fragrant: Odor and the French Social Imagination;
     1986.

     Who's Who in Barbed Wire; 1970.

     The Madman as Entrepreneur: Career Management in House Prostitution;
     1979.

     Correct Mispronunciations of Some South Carolina Names; 1981.

     Manhole Covers of Los Angeles; 1974.

     Leadership Secrets of Attila the Hun; 1995.

     Three Weeks in Wet Sheets; 1856.

     Be Married and Like It; 1937.

     Pranks With the Mouth; 1879.

     Build Your Own Hindenburg; 1983.



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     =================================================================
                              COMIX IN ASCII
     =================================================================


                             Even Moo Famous Cows

                                                      _______
              (__)                                   |   |   |
             >(==)                                   |___|___|
             /-\/-\                                  |\_____/|
            /(    )\                                 |       |
           ^ (    ) ^                                |_______|
             (    )                              _   |   _   |
             /----\                     /-------//   |--(_)--|
            /    \ \                   / |     ||    |_______|  (__)
           ^      * ^                 *  ||----||    |       |  (++)
                                         ^^    ^^    |_______|   \/
          Mi Cow Angelo                    Marie Antoinette's Cow


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     =================================================================
                               INTERNET INFO
     =================================================================


     ! = New entries this week
     ? = not responding
     ?? = unknown content, doesn't look like fidonet

                       . -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- .
                       |    FIDONET-RELATED SITES    |
                       ` -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- '
                          Last update:  April 30, 2000

     FidoNet
     Homepage:     http://www.fidonet.org
     FidoNews:     http://www.fidonews.org   [HTML]
                   ftp://ftp.nwstar.com/fidonet/fidonews/
                   ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/fnews/
     Echolist:     http://www.baltimoremd.com/echolist/
     Echomail links: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidonet/fidoip.html
     SDS Files:    http://fidobbs.dk/download (Web Access to SDS)
     FTSC page:    http://www.ftsc.org/
     General:      http://www.writebynight.com/fidonet.html

     List server:
         http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/fidonet-discussion

     Zone 1:       http://www.z1.fidonet.org
       Region 10:  http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html
                   http://www.tnl-online.com/andy/rgn10.htm
         Net 103:  http://www.webworldinc.com/club103/
         Net 203:  http://www.geocities.com/Area51/8687/net203index.html
       Region 11:  http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/
        Net 2410:  http://oeonline.com/~garyg/net2410/
       Region 12:  http://sparkys.dyndns.org
       Region 13:  http://www.net264.org/r13.htm
         Net 264:  http://www.net264.org/
         Net 275:  http://www.homershut.net/~mahoover/net275/
       Region 14:  http://www.ouijabrd.com/region14
         Net 282:  http://www.rxn.com/~net282/
       Region 15:  <vacant>
       Region 16:  <vacant>
       Region 17:  http://www.nwstar.com/~region17/
       Region 18:  http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/

       Region 19:  http://bise.tzo.com/r19
         Net 124:  http://www.startext.net/np/net124
                   http://texoma.net/~flv
         Net 130:  http://www.startext.net/homes/net130
         Net 393:  http://www.chatter.com/~wb/

     Zone 2:       http://www.z2.fidonet.org
                   ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/zone2 (Z2 nodelists etc.)
       Region 20:  http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)
       Region 23:  http://www.fido.dk (in Danish)
     FIDONEWS 17-21               Page 14                  22 May 2000


       Region 24:  http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German)
         Fido-IP:  http://home.nrh.de/fido/ (English/German)
       Region 25:  http://www.literary.freeserve.co.uk/net2502/
       Region 26:  http://www.nemesis.ie
          REC 26:  http://www.nrgsys.com/orb
       Region 27:  http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm
       Region 29:  http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/  (French)
                   http://Welcome.to/skynetbbs/
       Region 30:  http://www.fidonet.ch  (German)
     ? Region 33:  http://www.fidoitalia.net  (Italian)
       Region 34:  http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm  (Spanish)
           REC34:  http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/4552/
       Region 36:  http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/
       Region 38:  http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html
       Region 41:  http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English)
       Region 42:  http://www.fido.cz
     !    Net422:  http://www.fido.sk (Slovak/English)
       Region 50:  http://www.fido7.com/  (Russian)
        Net 5010:  http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/  (Russian)
        Net 5015:  http://www.fido.nnov.ru/  (Russian)
        Net 5028:  http://5028.yaroslavl.ru/
        Net 5030:  http://kenga.ru/fido/  (Russian & English)
        Net 5049:  http://www.n5049.z2.fidonet.org  (English/Russian)
     ??  Net 5085:  http://www.fidonet.uz/ (Russian)

     Zone 3:       http://www.z3.fidonet.org

     Zone 4:
       Region 80:  http://fidobrasil.8m.com  (Portuguese)
       Region 90:
         Net 904:  http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish)

     Zone 5:       http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/

     Zone 6:       http://www.z6.fidonet.org
       Region 65:  http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html
                   (Chinese)


                          Fidonet Via Internet Hubs

     See also: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidoip.html

     a @ preceding an individual's name implies a virtual email
     address. The email is translated as follows
     firstlast@osirusoft.com will automatically route to the
     appropriate individual's email.  Anyone in this list will
     also receive routed notice of this feature.  In my case, it
     would still be joejared@osirusoft.com, but you get the idea.

     Also, as information is provided to me, I will be adding a
     latency field to each node, which is defined as the maximum
     time between when the message is received, and when it is
     sent on to other nodes, or available to be sent onward,
     defined in minutes. A latency of ! implies that there is an
     immediate response, and an attempt to deliver immediately
     FIDONEWS 17-21               Page 15                  22 May 2000


     after processing, or a "MinuteMail System", as it were.

                v-email flag firstnamelastname@osirusoft.com
                | email address or
     Node#      | Operator          | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate
                |                   |                |latency|
     -----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
     Zone 1     |                   |                |       |
       10/3     @ Brenda Donovan    | FTP,UUE,BinkP  | 384K,30| n/c
       10/345   @ Todd Cochrane     | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,!  | n/c
       12/12    @ Ken Wilson        | FTP            | T1    | $24mo.
       13/25    @ Jim Balcom        | FTP            | 56k   | $20mo.
      103/5     @ Mark Luetger      | BinkP          | 384k,!| n/c
      103/153   @ Michael Box       | BinkP          | aDSL,!| n/c
      103/301   @ Joe Jared         | BinkP,FTP      | 384k,!| n/c
      103/401   @ Warren Bonner     | BinkP          | aDSL,!| n/c
      105/8     | Russ Johnson      | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k  | n/c
      105/72    @ Larry James       | FTP, BinkP     | aDSL  | $50/yr
      106/1     @ Matt Bedynek      | BinkP, FTP     | 128k  | n/c
      106/6018  | Lawrence Garvin   | FTP, VMoT      | aDSL,60| n/c
      107/453   @ Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo.
      140/1     @ Bob Seaborn       | FTP,BinkP      | T3,30 | $5/$16
      167/133   | Stephen Monteith  | BinkP          | 128k+ | n/c
      211/417   @ Korombos          | BinkP,UUE,FTP  | T1    | n/c
      218/109   @ Matt Munson       | BinkP,UUE      | 33.6k | n/c
      244/2     | Kari Suomela   | FTP,VMoT,BinkP,UUE| T1,!  | $25.00/mo
      246/160   @ Mason Vye         | FTP, UUE       | 56K   | n/c
      271/140   @ Tom Barstow       | UUE,FTP        | T1    | n/c
      280/169   | Brian Greenstreet | FTP            | 33.6  | $2mo.
      342/3     @ Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP      | 128K+ | n/c
      395/670   | Arthur Stark      | BinkD,FTP      | 128k  | n/c
      396/1     @ John Souvestre    | FTP,VMoT       | T1,10 | $5/mo
      396/45    | Marc Lewis        | UUE            | 33.6  | $26/yr
     2604/104   @ Jim Mclaughlin    | FTP,VMoT,UUE   | 33.6  | $1mo
     2613/404   @ David Moufarrege  | BinkP,FTP,VMoT | 128k+,!| n/c
     2624/306   @ David Calafrancesco  | VMoT        | 33.6  | n/c
     3613/2     @ jyates@bsdi.ldl.net | UUE            | 28.8  | n/c
     3632/84    | Robert Todd    |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
     3639/93    @ Ross Cassell      | FTP, BinkP     |128K+,!| n/c
     3651/9     @ Jerry Gause       | FTP,VMoT       | 33.6  | $3/$6
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     Zone 2     |
       20/11    | Henrik Lindhe     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       31/1     | Gabriel Plutzar   | BinkP          | T1+   | n/c
      203/600   | Mikael Karlsson   | UUE            | 64k   | n/c
      221/360   @ Tommi Koivula     | BinkP,UUE      | ???   | n/c
      236/205   @ Michael Kaaber    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      246/2098  | Volker Imre       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      284/800   @ Jeroen VanDeLeur  | FTP,UUE        | 64k   | n/c
      292/620   | Eddy Missoul      | VMoT, UUE      | 64k   |N/C
      292/624   | Steven Leeman     | UUE          | 64k   | N/C
      292/2003  | Eric Vaneberck    | BinkP          | 768k  | n/c
      301/1     | Peter Witschi     | BinkP          | 768k  | n/c
      332/807   | Roberto Mascolo   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      335/535   @ Mario Mure        | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k   | n/c
      335/610   | Gino Lucrezi      | UUE            | 33.6  | n/c
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      344/201   | Julio Garcia      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      346/3     @ Carlos Navarro    | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      382/100   | Sinisa Burina     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      406/555   | Ofir Michaeli &   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      406/555   | Marius Kaizerman  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      423/81    | Milos Bajer       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      464/4077  | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE            | 19.2  | n/c
      465/204   | Va Milushnikov    | BinkP          | 33.6k | n/c
      469/84    | Max Masyutin      | VMoT           | 256k  | n/c
      480/112   | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k  | n/c
     2411/413   @ Dennis Dittrich   | UUE,BinkP      | 64k   | n/c
     2446/301   | Lothar Behet | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP  | 64K   | n/c
     2474/275   | Christian Emig    | UUE            | 64k   | unkn
     5030/115   | Andrey Podkolzin  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5100/8     | Egons Bush        | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5020/1159  | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE          | 33.6  | n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 3
      633/260   @ Malcolm Miles     | FTP,BinkP      | 64K   | n/c
      640/954   | Rick Van Ruth     | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c
      774/605   @ Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c

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     Zone 4
      905/100   | Fabian Gervan     | VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 128k  | n/c
      902/18    | Javier Tejedor    | UUE            | 33,6  | n/c

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