      F I D O N E W S         Volume 16, Number 30            26 July 1999
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     |  The newsletter of the     |   ISSN 1198-4589 Published by:        |
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                        Table of Contents
     1. EDITORIAL  ................................................  1
     2. COLUMNS  ..................................................  2
        FidoNet Via Internet Hubs  ................................  2
     3. NOTICES  ..................................................  4
        Future History  ...........................................  4
     4. FIDONET BY INTERNET  ......................................  5
     5. FIDONEWS INFORMATION  .....................................  7
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                                 EDITORIAL
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     Greetings,

     I'm supprised at the response received to the Editorial of last
     week's issue.  Thank YOU all who responded!

     It shows, there are many more readers than what some make out to
     believe there to be.  Admitted, not everybody or reader replied to
     the request, but that is, as one responder noted, FidoNet Sysop's.
     However, I'm sure that given time, a few more responses will arrive.

     What is happening?  No word from the new Z1C or is there no ZC for
     Zone 1?  Even the IC makes no comment.

     There is so much talk about what is going to be done, but nothing,
     zilch is done about nothing.  What does this mean to the average
     SysOp?  Do what you think is best for you and your users, if you
     have any left on your BBS.   It's a sad state of affairs, believe
     me.  Sad, in that people WANT to communicate, but the *C's are
     taking the attitude, that if it ain't broke, why fix it.
     Give it some thought and I'll be happy to hear from you all!

     Happy reading,

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                                  COLUMNS
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                         Fidonet Via Internet Hubs

     Node#      | Operator          | Facilities (*) | Speed | Basic Rate
     -----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
     Zone 1     |
       10/3     | Brenda Donovabn   | FTP,UUE,BinkP  | T1?   | $??/$10
       12/12    | Ken Wilson        | FTP            | T1    | $24mo.
       13/25    | Jim Balcom        | FTP            | 56k   | $20mo.
      103/301   | Joe Jared         | BinkP          | aDSL  | n/c
      105/8     | Russ Johnson      | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k  | n/c
      106/1     | Matt Bedynek      | BinkP, FTP     | 128k  | n/c
      106/6018  | Lawrence Garvin   | FTP, VMoT      | 64k   | $5/mo.
      107/451   | Andy Knifel       | FTP, VMoT, UUE | 33.6  | n/c
      140/12    | Bob Seaborn       | FTP            | T1    | $5/$20
      270/101   | George Peace      | FTP            | T1    | $30mo.
      271/140   | Tom Barstow       | UUE            | T1    | n/c
      275/1     | Joshua Ecklund    | UUE            | 28.8  | $10/yr
      280/169   | Brian Greenstreet | FTP            | 33.6  | $2mo.
      342/3     | Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP      | 128K+ | n/c
      345/0     | Todd Cochrane     | FTP            | T1    | n/c
      346/250   | Aran Spence       | FTP,UUE        | T1    | $10mo.
      396/1     | John Souvestre    | FTP,VMoT       | T1    | $15mo.
      396/45    | Marc Lewis        | UUE            | 33.6  | $26/yr
     2401/305   | Peter Rocca       | FTP,UUE        | T1    | unkn
     2424/10    | Alec Grynspan     | FTP,UUE        | T1    | n/c
     2424/101   | Kari Suomela      | FTP,VMoT,BinkP,UUE| ???| n/c
     2604/104   | Jim Mclaughlin    | FTP,VMoT,UUE   | 33.6  | $1mo.
     2613/404   | David Moufarrege  | BinkP,FTP,VMoT | 128k+ | n/c
     2624/306   | D. Calafrancesco  | VMoT           | 33.6  | $15yr.
     3632/84    | Robert Todd       |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | ???| n/c
     3651/9     | Jerry Gause       | FTP,VMoT       | 33.6  | $3/$6
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 2     |
       20/11    | Henrik Lindhe     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       23/999   | Michael Kaaber    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       31/1     | Gabriel Plutzar   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      221/360   | Tommi Koivula     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      246/2098  | Volker Imre       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      252/300   | Sean Rima         | BinkP, UUE, FTP| 128k  | n/c
      254/175   | Alex Kemp         | UUE            | 56k   | n/c
      284/800   | Jeroen VanDeLeur  | FTP,UUE        | 64k   | n/c
      292/2003  | Eric Vaneberck    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      301/1     | Peter Witschi     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      332/807   | Roberto Mascolo   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      335/535   | Mario Mure        | VMoT,UUE       | 64k   | n/c
      335/610   | Gino Lucrezi      | UUE            | 33.6  | n/c
      344/201   | Julio Garcia      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      382/100   | Sinisa Burina     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      406/555   | Marius Kaizerman  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      406/555   | Ofir Michaeli &   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      423/81    | Milos Bajer       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
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      465/204   | Va Milushnikov    | BinkP          | 33.6k | n/c
      469/84    | Max Masyutin      | VMoT           | 256k  | n/c
      480/112   | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k  | n/c
     2411/413   | Dennis Dittrich   | UUE            | 64k   | n/c
     2446/301   | Lothar Behet | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP  | 64K   | n/c
     2474/275   | Christian Emig    | UUE            | 64k   | unkn
     5030/115   | Andrey Podkolzin  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5100/8     | Egons Bush        | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5020/1159  | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE          | 33.6  | n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 3
      633/260   | Malcolm Miles     | FTP,BinkP      | 64K   | n/c
      640/954   | Rick Van Ruth     | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c
      774/605   | Barry Blackford   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c

     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 4
      905/100   | Fabian Gervan     | VMoT, UUE      | ???   | n/c
      902/18    | Javier Tejedor    | UUE            | 33,6  | n/c

     --
     * FTP   = Internet File Transfer Protocol
     * VMoT  = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
     * UUE   = uuencode<->email type transfers
     * BinkP = front end mailer for TCPIP networks

     Please send updates, corrections and suggestions to
     Joe Jared, 1:103/301, joejared@fidonews.webworldinc.com, and
     complaints to jarhead@fidonews.webworldinc.com.

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                                  NOTICES
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                       Future History

       10 Sep 1999
          10th anniversary of Zone 5 operations.

       26 Oct 1999
          Thirty years from release Abbey Road album by the Beatles.

       31 Dec 1999
          Hogmanay, Scotland. The New Year that can't be missed.

        1 Jan 2000
          The 20th Century, C.E., is still taking place thru 31 Dec.

        1 Jun 2000
          EXPO 2000 World Exposition in Hannover (Germany) opens.

       15 Sep 2000
          Sydney (Australia) Summer Olympiad opens.

       21 Sep 2000
          10 years of FidoNet in +7 (xUSSR)

        1 Jan 2001
          This is the actual start of the new millennium, C.E.

       -- If YOU have something which you would like to see in this
             Future History, please send a note to the FidoNews Editor.

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                            FIDONET BY INTERNET
     =================================================================

     This is a list of all FidoNet-related sites reported to the
     FidoNews Editor as of this issue; see the notice at the end.

     FidoNet:

     Homepage    http://www.fidonet.org
     FidoNews    http://www.fidonews.org             [HTML]
                 http://209.77.228.66/fidonews.html  [ASCII]
     WWW sources http://travel.to/fidonet/
     FTSC page   http://www.ftsc.org/
     Echomail    [pending]
     General     http://owls.com/~jerrys/fidonet.html
     List servers:
                 http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/fidonet-discussion

     ============

     Zone 1:       http://www.z1.fidonet.org

       Region 10:  http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html

       Region 11:  http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/

       Region 13:  http://www.net264.org/r13.htm

         Net 264:  http://www.net264.org/

       Region 14:

         Net 282:  http://www.rxn.com/~net282/

       Region 17:  http://www.nwstar.com/~region17/

       Region 18:  http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/

       Region 19:  http://members.home.net/hbh3/r19

     Zone 1 Elist  http://www.baltimoremd.com/elist/

     ============

     Zone 2:       http://www.z2.fidonet.org

       Region 20:  http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)

       Region 24:  http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German)
         Fido-IP:  http://home.nrh.de/fido (English/German)

       Region 25:  http://www.bsnet.co.uk/net2502/net/

        Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie
           REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb
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       Region 27:  http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm

       Region 29:  http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/  (French)

       Region 30:  http://www.fidonet.ch  (German)

       Region 34:  http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm  (Spanish)
           REC34:  http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/4552/

       Region 36:  http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/

       Region 38:  http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html

       Region 41:  http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English)

       Region 42:  http://www.fido.cz

       Region 50:  http://www.fido7.com/  (Russian)
        Net 5015:  http://www.fido.nnov.ru/  (Russian)
        Net 5030:  http://kenga.ru/fido/  (Russian & English)
        Net 5085:  http://www.fidonet.uz/ (Russian)

     ============

     Zone 3:       http://www.z3.fidonet.org

     ============

     Zone 4:

         Net 904:  http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish)

     ============

     Zone 5:       http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/

     ============

     Zone 6:       http://www.z6.fidonet.org

       Region 65:  http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html (Chinese)

     ============

     Pages listed above are as submitted to the FidoNews Editor,
     and generally reflect Zone and Regional Web Page sites.  If
     no Regional site is submitted, the first Network page from
     that Region is used in its place.  Generally, Regional pages
     should list access points to all Networks within the Region.

     TCP/IP accessible node access information should be submitted
     to the FidoNews Editor for inclusion in their Region or Zone.

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                           FIDONEWS INFORMATION
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