      F I D O N E W S         Volume 16, Number 29            19 July 1999
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                        Table of Contents
     1. EDITORIAL  ................................................  1
     2. GUEST EDITORIAL  ..........................................  2
        The Slippery Slope of Control - D Myers  ..................  2
     3. ARTICLES  .................................................  4
        FidoNet Via Internet Hubs  ................................  4
        NAB & Z1B Echo Diff  ......................................  5
        North American Backbone Echo Changes [Mar-Apr]  ...........  7
        Z1 Backbone Echo Changes [Mar-Apr]  .......................  9
     4. COLUMNS  .................................................. 11
        ECHO TALK - Why motorcycles are better than women  ........ 11
     5. COMIX IN ASCII  ........................................... 12
        Victory Party after Z1C(ow) Election  ..................... 12
     6. NOTICES  .................................................. 13
        Future History  ........................................... 13
     7. FIDONET BY INTERNET  ...................................... 14
     8. FIDONEWS INFORMATION  ..................................... 16
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                                 EDITORIAL
     =================================================================

     Greetings,

     Yes, thanks very much.  I'm feeling just about 100% again. :-)
     This flu is something else, believe me. But don't ask me what it
     was, I'm no doctor. ;-)

     However, on with the show.

     According to Doug's article, there is a new Z1C. Great. Soon we will
     see an official announcement in FidoNews, or will we?

     In order to determine how many of you read the Snooze, either by when
     you receive this copy, reading it on-line at your nearest BBS in the
     FIDONEWS echo or at http://www.fidonews.org or by whatever means, is
     it possible to let me know, by sending me either a Netmail at
     5:7104/2 or e-mail me at hwolsink@catpe.alt.za  --  I'll appriciate
     your reply.  Thanks in advance.

     And as usually, happy reading,

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     =================================================================
                              GUEST EDITORIAL
     =================================================================


                        The Slippery Slope of Control
                           Douglas Myers, 1:270/720
                          douglas.myers@k12.ftn.org

     Mike O'Conner, Region 12 Coordinator, is possibly one of the most
     respected coordinators in Fidonet.  He was widely perceived as a
     critic of "control" politics when he allowed Region 10 "refugee"
     nodes to join Region 12 rather than put up with the control politics
     which were at issue in Region 10 at the time.  It's ironic that
     today he faces the criticism of his own region over a control issue.

     MIke is under fire for not accurately reporting his region's choice
     of candidate in the Z1C election.  During this last week in the Z1C
     election process, Net Coordinators polled their nets to determine
     the sysops' choice for Z1C.  This information was to be relayed to
     the RC who would then vote in accordance with his region's wishes in
     the closed election.

     Region 12's choice for Z1C was me, followed by David Moufarrege.
     MIke, however, waited until most of the RC votes were in and took
     note that I didn't have sufficient support to win the election, and
     that David was the only candidate who could win on the first ballot.
     So he cast the deciding vote for David.

     Ross Cassell, Election Coordinator, responded to a netmail protest
     from Region 12.  In this response, Ross ruled that Mike's vote would
     not be overturned. Though he conceded that Mike was answerable to
     his region for his actions, he pointed out that the elections rules
     did not have a provision for forcing an RC to vote in accordance
     with his region's wishes.  He also pointed out that a reversal of
     this vote was unlikely to produce a different winner.

     Under Ross' scenario, had Mike actually reported the R12 vote
     accurately, it would have forced a decision by Bob Satti to break
     the tie for second place between Dallas Hinton and me, and then a
     runoff between David and the survivor in second place.  Ross feels
     that David would have picked up one of the votes from the regions
     whose candidate was eliminated, thus giving him the majority he
     needed on the second round.


     As a Region 13 sysop, I'll certainly have no say in the upcoming
     Region 12 RC election... and I certainly have no authority over the
     Z1C Election Coordinator.  However, as an "aggrieved party," I'll
     claim my traditional Fidonet right to add my two cents to the
     discussion :)

     Strangely, I've got no anger towards Mike O'Conner.  All he took
     which may have been mine is a bit of fleeting "score."  I believe
     that I'd have needed to carry at least one other region which went
     to David in order to mount a meaningful second round challenge.  I
     FIDONEWS 16-29               Page 3                   19 Jul 1999


     almost sympathize with Mike... he was placed in an untenable
     position.  The RCs were concerned about the consequences of a direct
     sysop election and retained their traditional control over the final
     results.  Though they made a pledge to represent the will of their
     regions, is it so surprising that one of their rank yielded to the
     temptation of control at the last moment?

     Nor do I have a quarrel with the election coordinator.  It was clear
     from the start that the RCs would have ultimate control over the
     final selection of the Z1C, and I doubt that the vote could or
     should be overturned now.

     I would argue instead that the RCs learn from this experience and
     apply it to the next election.  Consider that the time has come for
     a direct count of the sysops' vote.  Consider that the expected
     pandemonium and degeneration of the election process during the
     period when sysop voting was happening never materialized.  Consider
     that the most significant breach of the election process, though it
     may have been well-meant, came from among your number.

     Consider that the representative method of voting had an unintended
     (and, as yet, unanalyzed) consequence:  that some of the most
     interested and qualified sysops did not vote in this election.  I'm
     referring mostly to the net coordinators who mostly seemed to
     suppress their own voice in favor of shepherding their net's vote.
     It seemed to me that most of the nets where detailed information was
     supplied were small nets, three and four nodes... so these net
     coordinators may have been as much as 25% of the eligible voters.  I
     don't know if NCs counted themselves into the voting tally they
     reported, but I suspect that NCs suppressed their own vote when it
     would have overturned the results from the rest of their nodes.  I
     have no way of proving this and I doubt that it materially affected
     the actual election results in the current election... but it can't
     be good to have as much as 25% of the electorate involved in the
     mechanics of the election.

     Finally, my condolences to David Moufarrege.  You won this election
     convincingly, you ran a clean campaign, and you deserve to assume
     the Z1C position without the stigma which this election blemish will
     attach to you.  It's unfair and deplorable, but some will use this
     to question the legitimacy of your election... to deny you your
     mandate.  Some will forget, or choose to ignore, that you actually
     were the choice of the sysops in this election.  I'd like to take
     this opportunity to remind them.

     Let's all not forget that this is the closest which Zone 1 has ever
     come to a direct sysop election for Z1C.  Though it may not have
     been perfect, the election was a success in that the sysops of Zone
     1 had a real voice in the ZC selection.

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     =================================================================
                                 ARTICLES
     =================================================================


                         Fidonet Via Internet Hubs

     Node#      | Operator          | Facilities (*) | Speed | Basic Rate
     -----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
     Zone 1     |
       10/3     | Brenda Donovabn   | FTP,UUE,BinkP  | T1?   | $??/$10
       12/12    | Ken Wilson        | FTP            | T1    | $24mo.
       13/25    | Jim Balcom        | FTP            | 56k   | $20mo.
      103/301   | Joe Jared         | BinkP          | aDSL  | n/c
      105/8     | Russ Johnson      | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k  | n/c
      106/1     | Matt Bedynek      | BinkP, FTP     | 128k  | n/c
      106/6018  | Lawrence Garvin   | FTP, VMoT      | 64k   | $5/mo.
      107/451   | Andy Knifel       | FTP, VMoT, UUE | 33.6  | n/c
      140/12    | Bob Seaborn       | FTP            | T1    | $5/$20
      2424/101  | Kari Suomela      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      270/101   | George Peace      | FTP            | T1    | $30mo.
      271/140   | Tom Barstow       | UUE            | T1    | n/c
      275/1     | Joshua Ecklund    | UUE            | 28.8  | $10/yr
      280/169   | Brian Greenstreet | FTP            | 33.6  | $2mo.
      342/3     | Richard Dodsworth | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      345/0     | Todd Cochrane     | FTP            | T1    | n/c
      346/250   | Aran Spence       | FTP,UUE        | T1    | $10mo.
      396/1     | John Souvestre    | FTP,VMoT       | T1    | $15mo.
      396/45    | Marc Lewis        | UUE            | 33.6  | $26/yr
     2401/305   | Peter Rocca       | FTP,UUE        | T1    | unkn
     2424/10    | Alec Grynspan     | FTP,UUE        | T1    | n/c
     2604/104   | Jim Mclaughlin    | FTP,VMoT,UUE   | 33.6  | $1mo.
     2613/404   | David Moufarrege  | BinkP,FTP,VMoT | 128k+ | n/c
     2624/306   | D. Calafrancesco  | VMoT           | 33.6  | $15yr.
     3632/84    | Robert Todd       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     3651/9     | Jerry Gause       | FTP,VMoT       | 33.6  | $3/$6
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 2     |
       20/11    | Henrik Lindhe     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       23/999   | Michael Kaaber    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       31/1     | Gabriel Plutzar   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      221/360   | Tommi Koivula     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      246/2098  | Volker Imre       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      252/300   | Sean Rima         | BinkP, UUE, FTP| 128k  | n/c
      254/175   | Alex Kemp         | UUE            | 56k   | n/c
      284/800   | Jeroen VanDeLeur  | FTP,UUE        | 64k   | n/c
      292/2003  | Eric Vaneberck    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      301/1     | Peter Witschi     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      332/807   | Roberto Mascolo   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      335/535   | Mario Mure        | VMoT,UUE       | 64k   | n/c
      335/610   | Gino Lucrezi      | UUE            | 33.6  | n/c
      344/201   | Julio Garcia      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      382/100   | Sinisa Burina     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      406/555   | Marius Kaizerman  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      406/555   | Ofir Michaeli &   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      423/81    | Milos Bajer       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     FIDONEWS 16-29               Page 5                   19 Jul 1999


      465/204   | Va Milushnikov    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      469/84    | Max Masyutin      | VMoT           | 256k  | n/c
      480/112   | Adam Sarapata     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     2411/413   | Dennis Dittrich   | UUE            | 64k   | n/c
     2474/275   | Christian Emig    | UUE            | 64k   | unkn
     5030/115   | Andrey Podkolzin  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5100/8     | Egons Bush        | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5020/1159  | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE          | 33.6  | n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 3
      633/260   | Malcolm Miles     | FTP,BinkP      | 64K   | n/c
      640/954   | Rick Van Ruth     | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c
      774/605   | Barry Blackford   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c

     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 4
      905/100   | Fabian Gervan     | VMoT, UUE      | ???   | n/c
      902/18    | Javier Tejedor    | UUE            | 33,6  | n/c

     --
     * FTP  = Internet File Transfer Protocol
     * VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
     * UUE  = uuencode<->email type transfers
     * BinkP = front end mailer for TCPIP networks


     Please send updates, corrections and suggestions to
     Joe Jared, 1:103/301, joejared@fidonews.webworldinc.com, and
     complaints to jarhead@fidonews.webworldinc.com.

     -----------------------------------------------------------------


     NAB & Z1B Echo Diff
     by Lisa Gronke, 1:105/9
     lisa@psg.com

     diff backbone.na (04-Jul-99) backbone.z1b (04-Jul-99) [edited]

     Echos on the NAB but not on the Z1B
     -----------------------------------
      60S_70S_PROGROCK    60's/70's Progressive Rock Music Echo
      AIDS-HIV            AIDS & HIV
      ALASKA              GENERAL CHAT FOR ALASKA
      AMIGA_FILEFIND      Filefind Echo for AMIGA computers
      AMIGA_INT           Amiga Worldwide
      AMY_COMMS           International Amiga Telecommunications
      ARIZONA             GENERAL CHAT FOR ARIZONA
      ARKANSAS_           GENERAL CHAT FOR ARKANSAS
      ASL                 American Sign Language Echo
      ATHEISM             Intra-atheist education and discussion echo.
      CALIFORNIA          GENERAL CHAT FOR CALIFORNIA
      COLORADO            GENERAL CHAT FOR COLORADO
      CONFED_HERITAGE     Confederate Heritage
      CONNECTICUT         GENERAL CHAT FOR CONNECTICUT
      DELAWARE            GENERAL CHAT FOR DELAWARE
     FIDONEWS 16-29               Page 6                   19 Jul 1999


      DELPHI              Borland Delphi Developers' Echo
      EC_SUPPORT          Ezycom BBS Support for Sysop's
      EQUUS               HORSE DISCUSSION ECHO
      FLORIDA             GENERAL CHAT FOR FLORIDA
      GEORGIA             GENERAL CHAT FOR GEORGIA
      HAM_REQ             Amateur Radio File Announcements & Requests
      HAWAII              GENERAL CHAT FOR HAWAII
      I95                 Cruising Interstate 95
      IDAHO               GENERAL CHAT FOR IDAHO
      ILLINOIS            GENERAL CHAT FOR ILLINOIS
      INDIANA             GENERAL CHAT FOR INDIANA
      IOWA                GENERAL CHAT FOR IOWA
      KANSAS              GENERAL CHAT FOR KANSAS
      KENTUCKY            GENERAL CHAT FOR KENTUCKY
      LOUISIANA           GENERAL CHAT FOR LOUISIANA
      MAINE               GENERAL CHAT FOR MAINE
      MARYLAND            GENERAL CHAT FOR MARYLAND
      MASSACHUSETTS       GENERAL CHAT FOR MASSACHUSETTS
      MEXICAN_LINK        Mexico's International Link (Multilingual)
      MILITARY            Military General Conference for all services.
      MINNESOTA           GENERAL CHAT FOR MINNESOTA
      MISSISSIPPI         GENERAL CHAT FOR MISSISSIPPI
      MISSOURI            GENERAL CHAT FOR MISSOURI
      MLM                 Multi-Level Marketing conference
      MONTANA             GENERAL CHAT FOR MONTANA
      M_GRIPE             Gripe: The Mother of All Echos
      NATURIST            Naturist/nudist discussion
      NAVY                U.S. Navy Support Echo Conference
      NEBRASKA            GENERAL CHAT FOR NEBRASKA
      NEVADA              GENERAL CHAT FOR NEVADA
      NEW_HAMPSHIRE       GENERAL CHAT FOR NEW HAMPSHIRE
      NEW_JERSEY          GENERAL CHAT FOR NEW JERSEY
      NEW_MEXICO          GENERAL CHAT FOR NEW MEXICO
      NEW_YORK            GENERAL CHAT FOR NEW YORK
      NORTH_DAKOTA        GENERAL CHAT FOR NORTH DAKOTA
      OHIO                GENERAL CHAT FOR OHIO
      OJ_SIMPSON          O.J. Simpson discussion
      OREGON              GENERAL CHAT FOR OREGON
      PARROTS             PARROTS CONFERENCE
      PAUL_REVERE         The Paul Revere 2AM Grassroots Conference
      PCWRITE             PCWrite and Multi-Platform Computing
      RCM                 Radio Control Model II
      RHODE_ISLAND        GENERAL CHAT FOR RHODE ISLAND
      SET                 Setian Discussions (Formerly "Base of Set")
      SOUTH_CAROLINA      GENERAL CHAT FOR SOUTH CAROLINA
      SOUTH_DAKOTA        GENERAL CHAT FOR SOUTH DAKOTA
      SUPERBBS            SuperBBS Support Echo
      TENNESSEE           GENERAL CHAT FOR TENNESSEE
      THEIST_WATCH        American Atheist Watch on Religious Shenanigans
      TRADEWARS           Conference for Discussion of the Game Tradewars
      UTAH                GENERAL CHAT FOR UTAH
      VERMONT             GENERAL CHAT FOR VERMONT
      VIN_MAISON          The Wine Lovers Echo! Vinting, Tasting & Sharing
      VIRGINIA            GENERAL CHAT FOR VIRGINIA
      WASHINGTON          GENERAL CHAT FOR WASHINGTON
      WEST_VIRGINIA       GENERAL CHAT FOR WEST VIRGINIA
     FIDONEWS 16-29               Page 7                   19 Jul 1999


      WISCONSIN           GENERAL CHAT FOR WISCONSIN
      WYOMING             GENERAL CHAT FOR WYOMING
      Z1-ELECTION         Alternate Z1C Election discussion area

     Echos on the Z1B but not on the NAB
     -----------------------------------
     None

     The NAB list, backbone.na  (04-Jul-99) has 798 echos.
     The Z1B list, backbone.z1b (04-Jul-99) has 724 echos.
     =======================================================

     -----------------------------------------------------------------


     North American Backbone Echo Changes [Mar-Apr]
     by Lisa Gronke, 1:105/9
     lisa@psg.com

     Summary of NAB echo changes during Mar & Apr.

     Brought to you courtesy of (unix) diff.

     diff backbone.na 07-Mar-99 backbone.na 02-May-99 [edited].

     Added to the NAB list of echos
     ------------------------------
     > ALASKA              GENERAL CHAT FOR ALASKA
     > ARIZONA             GENERAL CHAT FOR ARIZONA
     > ARKANSAS_           GENERAL CHAT FOR ARKANSAS
     > BBBS.ENGLISH        The International BBBS Support Echo
     > CALIFORNIA          GENERAL CHAT FOR CALIFORNIA
     > COLORADO            GENERAL CHAT FOR COLORADO
     > CONNECTICUT         GENERAL CHAT FOR CONNECTICUT
     > DDS_ECHO            DDS FDN Administrative Echo
     > DELAWARE            GENERAL CHAT FOR DELAWARE
     > EBAY_CHAT           A place to discuss EBAY buys and sells
     > FIDO_DISTRIBUTION   Echomail Distribution System Discussions
     > FLORIDA             GENERAL CHAT FOR FLORIDA
     > GEORGIA             GENERAL CHAT FOR GEORGIA
     > HAWAII              GENERAL CHAT FOR HAWAII
     > IDAHO               GENERAL CHAT FOR IDAHO
     > ILLINOIS            GENERAL CHAT FOR ILLINOIS
     > INDIANA             GENERAL CHAT FOR INDIANA
     > IOWA                GENERAL CHAT FOR IOWA
     > KANSAS              GENERAL CHAT FOR KANSAS
     > KENTUCKY            GENERAL CHAT FOR KENTUCKY
     > KOSOVO              Discussions about the events in Kosovo
     > LOUISIANA           GENERAL CHAT FOR LOUISIANA
     > MAINE               GENERAL CHAT FOR MAINE
     > MARYLAND            GENERAL CHAT FOR MARYLAND
     > MASSACHUSETTS       GENERAL CHAT FOR MASSACHUSETTS
     > MINNESOTA           GENERAL CHAT FOR MINNESOTA
     > MISSISSIPPI         GENERAL CHAT FOR MISSISSIPPI
     > MISSOURI            GENERAL CHAT FOR MISSOURI
     > MONTANA             GENERAL CHAT FOR MONTANA
     FIDONEWS 16-29               Page 8                   19 Jul 1999


     > NEBRASKA            GENERAL CHAT FOR NEBRASKA
     > NEVADA              GENERAL CHAT FOR NEVADA
     > NEW_HAMPSHIRE       GENERAL CHAT FOR NEW HAMPSHIRE
     > NEW_JERSEY          GENERAL CHAT FOR NEW JERSEY
     > NEW_MEXICO          GENERAL CHAT FOR NEW MEXICO
     > NEW_YORK            GENERAL CHAT FOR NEW YORK
     > NORTH_DAKOTA        GENERAL CHAT FOR NORTH DAKOTA
     > OHIO                GENERAL CHAT FOR OHIO
     > OREGON              GENERAL CHAT FOR OREGON
     > RHODE_ISLAND        GENERAL CHAT FOR RHODE ISLAND
     > SOUTH_CAROLINA      GENERAL CHAT FOR SOUTH CAROLINA
     > SOUTH_DAKOTA        GENERAL CHAT FOR SOUTH DAKOTA
     > TENNESSEE           GENERAL CHAT FOR TENNESSEE
     > UTAH                GENERAL CHAT FOR UTAH
     > VERMONT             GENERAL CHAT FOR VERMONT
     > VIRGINIA            GENERAL CHAT FOR VIRGINIA
     > WASHINGTON          GENERAL CHAT FOR WASHINGTON
     > WEBTV               WEBTV
     > WEST_VIRGINIA       GENERAL CHAT FOR WEST VIRGINIA
     > WISCONSIN           GENERAL CHAT FOR WISCONSIN
     > WYOMING             GENERAL CHAT FOR WYOMING
     > ZCC_SUNSHINE        Crosspost msgs from ZCC-closed-conference

     Removed from the NAB list of echos
     ----------------------------------
     < FIDO2000            FidoNet 2000 Conference
     < FIDOWEB             FidoNet Web Page Conference
     < GOLDED.BETA         GoldED Alpha, Beta, Gamma discussion.
     < INET_NODELIST       FidoNet Nodelisting of Internet Sites
     < WIN99               Echo for the discussion of Windows 99 software

     -----------------------------------------------------------------
     o There are 795 echos in backbone.na [02-May-99] (up 46)

     North American Backbone Echo Changes [May-Jun]
     by Lisa Gronke, 1:105/9
     lisa@psg.com

     Summary of NAB echo changes during May & Jun.

     Brought to you courtesy of (unix) diff.

     diff backbone.na 02-May-99 backbone.na 04-Jul-99 [edited].

     Added to the NAB list of echos
     ------------------------------
     > ER                  Er Hit TV Show
     > FIDOTEST            Fidonet TEST echo and malfunction conference
     > FTN_INTERNET        FTN Internet Discussion
     > HWDEBATE            Computer hardware debate
     > HWECHO              Computer hardware discussions
     > MILLENNIUM          Millennium TV show discussions
     > REGIONS             REGIONS echo
     > SUPER-BASTARD       Super Bastards Echo
     > Z1-ELECTION         Alternate Z1C Election discussion area

     FIDONEWS 16-29               Page 9                   19 Jul 1999


     Removed from the NAB list of echos
     ----------------------------------
     < A_THEIST            A_Theist - State/church separation
     < BURL                Serialized Electronic Novels
     < CARPENTERS          Fans of Karen & Richard Carpenter & their music
     < EBAY_CHAT           A place to discuss EBAY buys and sells
     < GENEALOGY.CDN       Canadian Genealogy
     < WIN.SYSOP           Windows-Based BBS Software Support

     -----------------------------------------------------------------
     o There are 798 echos in backbone.na [04-Jul-99] (up 3)

     -----------------------------------------------------------------


     Z1 Backbone Echo Changes [Mar-Apr]
     by Lisa Gronke, 1:105/9
     lisa@psg.com

     Summary of Z1B echo changes during Mar & Apr.

     Brought to you courtesy of (unix) diff.

     diff backbone.z1b 07-Mar-99 backbone.z1b 02-May-99 [edited].

     Added to the Z1B list of echos
     ------------------------------
     > BBBS.ENGLISH        The International BBBS Support Echo
     > DDS_ECHO            DDS FDN Administrative Echo
     > EBAY_CHAT           A place to discuss EBAY buys and sells!
     > FIDO_DISTRIBUTION   FidoNet Echomail Distribution System Discussions
     > KOSOVO              Discussions about the events in Kosovo
     > WEBTV               WEBTV
     > WIN2000             Windows 2000 Echo
     > ZCC_SUNSHINE        Crosspost msgs from ZCC-closed-conference

     Removed from the Z1B list of echos
     ----------------------------------
     < FIDO2000            FidoNet 2000 Conference
     < FIDOWEB             FidoNet Web Page Conference
     < GOLDED.BETA         GoldED Alpha, Beta, Gamma discussion.

     -----------------------------------------------------------------
     o There are 748 echos in backbone.z1b [02-May-99] (up 5)

     Z1 Backbone Echo Changes [May-Jun]
     by Lisa Gronke, 1:105/9
     lisa@psg.com

     Summary of Z1B echo changes during May & Jun.

     Brought to you courtesy of (unix) diff.

     diff backbone.z1b 02-May-99 backbone.z1b 04-Jul-99 [edited].

     Added to the Z1B list of echos
     FIDONEWS 16-29               Page 10                  19 Jul 1999


     ------------------------------
     > ER                  Er Hit TV Show
     > FIDOTEST            Fidonet TEST echo and malfunction conference
     > FTN_INTERNET        FTN Internet Discussion
     > HWDEBATE            Computer hardware debate
     > HWECHO              Computer hardware discussions
     > MILLENNIUM          Millennium TV show discussions
     > REGIONS             REGIONS echo.
     > SUPER-BASTARD       Super Bastards Echo

     Removed from the Z1B list of echos
     ----------------------------------
     < 60S_70S_PROGROCK    60's/70's Progressive Rock Music Echo
     < AIDS-HIV            AIDS & HIV
     < AMIGA_FILEFIND      Filefind Echo for AMIGA computers
     < AMIGA_INT           Amiga Worldwide
     < AMY_COMMS           International Amiga Telecommunications
     < ASL                 American Sign Language Echo
     < ATHEISM             Intra-atheist education and discussion echo.
     < A_THEIST            A_Theist - State/church separation
     < BURL                Serialized Electronic Novels
     < CARPENTERS          Fans of Karen & Richard Carpenter & their music
     < CONFED_HERITAGE     Confederate Heritage
     < DELPHI              Borland Delphi Developers' Echo
     < EBAY_CHAT           A place to discuss EBAY buys and sells!
     < EC_SUPPORT          Ezycom BBS Support for Sysop's
     < GENEALOGY.CDN       Canadian Genealogy
     < HAM_REQ             Amateur Radio File Announcements & Requests
     < I95                 Cruising Interstate 95
     < MEXICAN_LINK        Mexico's International Link (Multilingual)
     < MILITARY            Military General Conference for all services.
     < MLM                 Multi-Level Marketing conference
     < M_GRIPE             Gripe: The Mother of All Echos
     < NATURIST            Naturist/nudist discussion
     < NAVY                U.S. Navy Support Echo Conference
     < PAUL_REVERE         The Paul Revere 2AM Grassroots Conference
     < PCWRITE             PCWrite and Multi-Platform Computing
     < RCM                 Radio Control Model II
     < SET                 Setian Discussions (Formerly "Base of Set")
     < SUPERBBS            SuperBBS Support Echo
     < THEIST_WATCH        American Atheist Watch on Religious Shenanigans
     < TRADEWARS           Conference for Discussion of the Game Tradewars
     < VIN_MAISON          The Wine Lovers Echo!
     < WIN.SYSOP           Windows-Based BBS Software Support

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                 . -- -- -- -- -- ECHO TALK -- -- -- -- -- .
                 | Food for thought from Fido's echomail.  |
                 | Purloined without permission by D Myers |
                 ` -- -- -- -- -- --  -  -- -- -- -- -- -- '

     This week's "contribution" is taken from a message by Roy Witt in
     the SUPER-BITCH echo.  Roy retaliates for "Why women love cucumbers
     better than men" in this expose on Why men love motercycles better
     than women.

     1.  Motorcycles don't put on weight.
     2.  Motorcycles come with an instruction manual.
     3.  All you have to do is turn a key to turn one on.
     4.  With age, bikes become classics, women just get old and fat.
     5.  Motorcycles don't care if you have more than one bike.
     6.  New paint is cheaper than a face lift.
     7.  Just trade in when bored with it.
     8.  Only have to mess with fluids every 3000 miles, not monthly.
     9.  Bikes have no creepy friends who hate men.
     10. The bike is always there for you.
     11. Motorcycles don't mind if you ride another one.
     12. Motorcycles look good 24/7.
     13. Bikes don't have facial hair.
     14. Bikes don't need their fork legs shaved every day.
     15. Motorcycles are ready to ride all the time.
     16. Motorcycles don't look like their mothers in five years.
     17. Or act like them.
     18. Gas is cheaper than dinner and a movie.
     19. Bikes don't look around.
     20. Bikes like to go fast.
     21. Motorcycles don't play mind games.
     22. A bike will flat ass kill you, not drag it out in marriage.
     23. A bike has gauges so you tell can what it's doing.
     24. Motorcycles don't retain water and get bitchy.
     25. Bikes don't care how loud the music is.
     26. Bikes don't talk back.
     27. Motorcycles are not interested in families.
     28. Bikes don't get into religion, ever.
     29. Motorcycles don't hog the bath room in the morning.
     30. Bikes don't need make-up to look good.
     31. Motorcycles don't care if your socks don't match.
     32. When a bike backfires, it's only noise.
     33. Bikes never mistrust your judgement.


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                       Victory Party after Z1C(ow) Election

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                                  NOTICES
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                       Future History

       24 Jul 1999
          XIII Pan American Games [through 8 Aug 99].

       10 Sep 1999
          10th anniversary of Zone 5 operations.

       26 Oct 1999
          Thirty years from release Abbey Road album by the Beatles.

       31 Dec 1999
          Hogmanay, Scotland. The New Year that can't be missed.

        1 Jan 2000
          The 20th Century, C.E., is still taking place thru 31 Dec.

        1 Jun 2000
          EXPO 2000 World Exposition in Hannover (Germany) opens.

       15 Sep 2000
          Sydney (Australia) Summer Olympiad opens.

       21 Sep 2000
          10 years of FidoNet in +7 (xUSSR)

        1 Jan 2001
          This is the actual start of the new millennium, C.E.

       -- If YOU have something which you would like to see in this
             Future History, please send a note to the FidoNews Editor.

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                            FIDONET BY INTERNET
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     This is a list of all FidoNet-related sites reported to the
     FidoNews Editor as of this issue; see the notice at the end.

     FidoNet:

     Homepage    http://www.fidonet.org
     FidoNews    http://www.fidonews.org             [HTML]
                 http://209.77.228.66/fidonews.html  [ASCII]
     WWW sources http://travel.to/fidonet/
     FTSC page   http://www.ftsc.org/
     Echomail    [pending]
     General     http://owls.com/~jerrys/fidonet.html
     List servers:
                 http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/fidonet-discussion

     ============

     Zone 1:       http://www.z1.fidonet.org

       Region 10:  http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html

       Region 11:  http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/

       Region 13:  http://www.net264.org/r13.htm

         Net 264:  http://www.net264.org/

       Region 14:

         Net 282:  http://www.rxn.com/~net282/

       Region 17:  http://www.nwstar.com/~region17/

       Region 18:  http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/

       Region 19:  http://members.home.net/hbh3/r19

     Zone 1 Elist  http://www.baltimoremd.com/elist/

     ============

     Zone 2:       http://www.z2.fidonet.org

       Region 20:  http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)

       Region 24:  http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German)
         Fido-IP:  http://home.nrh.de/fido (English/German)

       Region 25:  http://www.bsnet.co.uk/net2502/net/

        Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie
           REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb
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       Region 27:  http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm

       Region 29:  http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/  (French)

       Region 30:  http://www.fidonet.ch  (German)

       Region 34:  http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm  (Spanish)
           REC34:  http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/4552/

       Region 36:  http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/

       Region 38:  http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html

       Region 41:  http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English)

       Region 42:  http://www.fido.cz

       Region 50:  http://www.fido7.com/  (Russian)
        Net 5015:  http://www.fido.nnov.ru/  (Russian)
        Net 5030:  http://kenga.ru/fido/  (Russian & English)
        Net 5085:  http://www.fidonet.uz/ (Russian)

     ============

     Zone 3:       http://www.z3.fidonet.org

     ============

     Zone 4:

         Net 904:  http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish)

     ============

     Zone 5:       http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/

     ============

     Zone 6:       http://www.z6.fidonet.org

       Region 65:  http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html (Chinese)

     ============

     Pages listed above are as submitted to the FidoNews Editor,
     and generally reflect Zone and Regional Web Page sites.  If
     no Regional site is submitted, the first Network page from
     that Region is used in its place.  Generally, Regional pages
     should list access points to all Networks within the Region.

     TCP/IP accessible node access information should be submitted
     to the FidoNews Editor for inclusion in their Region or Zone.

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