      F I D O N E W S         Volume 16, Number 04         25 January 1999
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                        Table of Contents
     1. EDITORIAL  ................................................  1
     2. ARTICLES  .................................................  2
        When I was 13  ............................................  2
     3. NOTICES  ..................................................  3
     4. FIDONET BY INTERNET  ......................................  4
     5. FIDONEWS INFORMATION  .....................................  8
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                                 EDITORIAL
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     Greetings,

     A few issues back, I commented on the links of a few www sites I
     visited, not working well.  I'm sad to report, that the situation
     has not changed.  But I'm happy to report and recommend the following
     site:

     http://www.rxn.com/~net282/

     It is worth a visit.

     You may remember my question on copyrights laws and we received some
     interesting comments.
     Now I would like to ask a similar question, in that it appears some
     countries do not subscribe to the international Berne Convention.
     Do any of you know if your country subscribes to it or not?

     Countries in particular I'm interested in, are those in Europe.
     Please, if you don't want your name listed in FidoNews, thats fine
     with me, just sent me Netmail, or for that matter e-mail, either way
     is fine with me.

     Currently, it's some 31.3 degrees Celcius in my computer room and
     believe, it's no pleasure sitting here. ;-)  But then, we are in
     January and this is the hottest month in this part of the world.

     Happy reading,

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                                 ARTICLES
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     When I was 13

     When I was 13 I opened up my BBS. I ran it for 5 years til the
     Internet grabbed hold of me in 1989 through the Freenets.  I was
     a member of net 110, and I was damn proud.  Most kids who ran BBSes
     only had them for 6 months or to trade warez.  I chose not to.  And,
     my board received some respect from the old farts of 110 and they
     gave me a node. I don't even remember the node.  It was probably 500
     for all I can remember.

     The one thing I do remember was the incredible fact of echo mail.  It
     linked me to so many people.  What I also remember is that bickering
     and politics.  I look at internet politics, and it's the same just not
     so British I guess.  The British parliament is accustomed to name
     calling, and far more bitter epithets than the US House and Senate.
     However, the House and Senate have their moments.

     I was just looking at an issue of Fidonews.  It's been a while since
     I have.  I'm kind of chuckled to see the same old fighting for control
     of the net.  Whose net is it?  I always thought you put FidoNet on
     your BBS so everyone who logged on could use it.  And, I don't think
     anyone gives a real shit about FidoNet these days.  Frankly, the
     squabble is over a net that is a dying breed (pun intended).  It has
     its use, but the Internet has really taken a liking to the mainstream,
     and the Fidonet is really more or less the old school club of SysOps.

     I think my point is that why are you fighting.  Why aren't you finding
     a way to show why FidoNet is a professional network, and it still has
     its uses in some way.  Maybe, Fidonet isn't as big in the US, but
     certainly the other zones who can't afford systems with Windows 95, 98
     or NT certainly are still using DOs and Win 3.1.  Frankly, you are a
     bunch of children, and I'm almost ashamed to even say I was part of
     the net.  I'm 22 now.  What's the deal boys and girls?

     "I swear - by my life and my love of it - that I will never live for
     the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine." -
     John Galt in Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand

     Aaron Freed -- page@simon.sfsu.edu -- http://simon.sfsu.edu/~page

     ED.  It sure is something to think about, is it not?  Why all the
          fighting and the bull that is generated.

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                                  NOTICES
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                       Future History

       16 Feb 1999
          13th Anniversary of the introduction of EchoMail by Jeff Rush.

       12 May 1999
          12th Anniversary of Fido Operations in Zone 4;
          10th Anniversary of the creation of FidoNet Zone 4.

       24 Jul 1999
          XIII Pan American Games [through 8 Aug 99].

        9 Jun 1999
          Tenth Anniversary of the adoption of FidoNet Policy 4.07.

       10 Sep 1999
          10th anniversary of Zone 5 operations.

       26 Oct 1999
          Thirty years from release Abbey Road album by the Beatles.

       31 Dec 1999
          Hogmanay, Scotland. The New Year that can't be missed.

        1 Jan 2000
          The 20th Century, C.E., is still taking place thru 31 Dec.

        1 Jun 2000
          EXPO 2000 World Exposition in Hannover (Germany) opens.

       15 Sep 2000
          Sydney (Australia) Summer Olympiad opens.

       21 Sep 2000
          10 years of FidoNet in +7 (xUSSR)

        1 Jan 2001
          This is the actual start of the new millennium, C.E.

       -- If YOU have something which you would like to see in this
             Future History, please send a note to the FidoNews Editor.

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                            FIDONET BY INTERNET
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     This is a list of all FidoNet-related sites reported to the
     FidoNews Editor as of this issue; see the notice at the end.

     FidoNet:

     Homepage    http://www.fidonet.org
     FidoNews    http://www.fidonews.org             [HTML]
                 http://209.77.228.66/fidonews.html  [ASCII]
     WWW sources http://travel.to/fidonet/
     FTSC page   http://www.goldware.dk/ftsc
     Echomail    [pending]
     General     http://owls.com/~jerrys/fidonet.html
                 http://www.nrgsys.com/orb/foti
     List servers:
                 http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/fidonet-discussion

     ============

     Zone 1:       http://www.z1.fidonet.org

       Region 10:  http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html

       Region 11:  http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/

       Region 13:

         Net 264:  http://www.net264.org/r13.htm

       Region 14:

         Net 282:  http://www.rxn.com/~net282/

       Region 17:  http://www.nwstar.com/~region17/

       Region 18:  http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/

       Region 19:  http://www.compconn.net/r19

     Zone 1 Elist  http://www.baltimoremd.com/elist/

     Not sure where the following should be placed:

                   http://www.angelfire.com/biz/snwvlly/fido.html

     ============

     Zone 2:       http://www.z2.fidonet.org

     ZEC2:
     Zone 2 Elist: http://www.fbone.ch/echolist/

       Region 20:  http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)
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       Region 23:  http://www.fido.dk (in Danish)

       Region 24:  http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German)
         Fido-IP:  http://home.nrh.de/~lbehet/fido (English/German)

       Region 25:  http://www.bsnet.co.uk/net2502/net/

        Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie
           REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb

       Region 27:  http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm

       Region 29:  http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/  (French)

       Region 30:  http://www.fidonet.ch  (German)

       Region 33:  http://www.fidoitalia.net (Italian)

       Region 34:  http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm  (Spanish)
           REC34:  http://pobox.com/~chr

       Region 36:  http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/

       Region 38:  http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html

       Region 41:  http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English)

       Region 42:  http://www.fido.cz

       Region 48:  http://www.fidonet.org.pl

       Region 50:  http://www.fido7.com/  (Russian)
        Net 5010:  http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/  (Russian)
        Net 5015:  http://www.fido.nnov.ru/  (Russian)
        Net 5030:  http://kenga.ru/fido/  (Russian & English)
        Net 5073:  http://people.weekend.ru/soa/  (Russian)

     ============

     Zone 3:       http://www.z3.fidonet.org

     ============

     Zone 4:

       Region 90:  http://visitweb.com/fidonet
         Net 903:  http://www.playagrande.com/refugio
         Net 904:  http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish)

     ============

     Zone 5:       http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/index.htm

     ============

     Zone 6:       http://www.z6.fidonet.org
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       Region 65:  http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html (Chinese)

     ============

     Pages listed above are as submitted to the FidoNews Editor,
     and generally reflect Zone and Regional Web Page sites.  If
     no Regional site is submitted, the first Network page from
     that Region is used in its place.  Generally, Regional pages
     should list access points to all Networks within the Region.

     TCP/IP accessible node access information should be submitted
     to the FidoNews Editor for inclusion in their Region or Zone.

                      -----------oOo-------------

                       Fidonet Via Internet Hubs

     Node#      | Operator          | Facilities (*) | Speed | Basic Rate
     -----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
     1:12/12    | Ken Wilson        | FTP            | T1    | $24mo.
     1:13/25    | Jim Balcom        | FTP            | 56k   | $20mo.
     1:106/1    | Matt Bedynek      | FTP,VMoT,UUE   | 64k   | $5/$15mo.
     1:106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin   | FTP,VMoT       | 64k   | $5/mo.
     1:107/451  | Andy Knifel       | FTP, VMoT, UUE | 33.6  | n/c
     1:124/7008 | Ben Hamilton      | FTP,VMoT,UUE   | 64k   | $10/$20mo.
     1:140/12   | Bob Seaborn       | FTP            | T1    | $5/$20
     1:270/101  | George Peace      | FTP            | T1    | $30mo.
     1:271/140  | Tom Barstow       | UUE            | T1    | n/c
     1:275/1    | Joshua Ecklund    | UUE            | 28.8  | $10/yr.
     1:280/169  | Brian Greenstreet | FTP            | 33.6  | $2mo.
     1:2401/305 | Peter Rocca       | FTP,UUE        | T1    | unkn
     1:2424/10  | Alec Grynspan     | FTP,UUE        | T1    | n/c
     1:2604/104 | Jim Mclaughlin    | FTP,VMoT,UUE   | 33.6  | $1mo.
     1:2624/306 | D. Calafrancesco  | VMoT           | 33.6  | $15yr.
     1:345/0    | Todd Cochrane     | FTP            | T1    | n/c
     1:346/250  | Aran Spence       | FTP,UUE        | T1    | $10mo.
     1:396/45   | Marc Lewis        | UUE            | 33.6  | $26/yr.
     1:3651/9   | Jerry Gause       | FTP,VMoT       | 33.6  | $3/$6
     1:396/1    | John Souvestre    | FTP,VMoT       | T1    | $15mo.
     2:33/505   | Mario Mure        | VMoT,UUE       | 64k   | n/c
     2:254/175  | Alex Kemp         | UUE            | 56k   | n/c
     2:284/800  | Jeroen VanDeLeur  | FTP,UUE        | 64k   | n/c
     2:335/610  | Gino Lucrezi      | UUE            | 33.6  | n/c
     2:469/84   | Max Masyutin      | VMoT           | 256k  | n/c
     2:2411/413 | Dennis Dittrich   | UUE            | 64k   | n/c
     2:2474/275 | Christian Emig    | UUE            | 64k   | unkn
     3:633/260  | Malcolm Miles     | FTP            | 33.6  | n/c
     4:905/100  | Fabian Gervan     | VMoT, UUE      | ???   | n/c
     5:7104/2   | Henk Wolsink      | FTP            | 28.8  | n/c
     --
     * FTP  = Internet File Transfer Protocol
     * VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
     * UUE  = uuencode<->email type transfers
     [I'm only cataloging transfer methods, eg, ftp, email, telnet.
     Specific programs using these protocols are no longer being listed.
     Contact the system operators for details of which programs they have
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     available.]

     Compiled by C. Ingersoll, 1:2623/71, (609)814-1978, fbn@dandy.net
     Posted on the 1st of every month in FN_SYSOP, R13SYSOP and Fidonews.

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                           FIDONEWS INFORMATION
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      ------- FIDONEWS MASTHEAD AND CONTACT INFORMATION -------

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       Editors Emeritii: Tom Jennings, Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell,
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