     Volume 5, Number 34                                22 August 1988
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     Editor in Chief                                       Dale Lovell
     Editor Emeritus:                                   Thom Henderson
     Chief Procrastinator Emeritus:                       Tom Jennings
     Contributing Editors:                                   Al Arango
     
     FidoNews  is  published  weekly  by  the  International   FidoNet
     Association  as  its  official newsletter.  You are encouraged to
     submit articles for publication in FidoNews.  Article  submission
     standards  are contained in the file ARTSPEC.DOC,  available from
     node 1:1/1.
     
     Copyright 1988 by  the  International  FidoNet  Association.  All
     rights  reserved.  Duplication  and/or distribution permitted for
     noncommercial purposes only.  For  use  in  other  circumstances,
     please contact IFNA at (314) 576-4067. IFNA may also be contacted
     at PO Box 41143, St. Louis, MO 63141.
     
     Fido  and FidoNet  are registered  trademarks of  Tom Jennings of
     Fido Software,  164 Shipley Avenue,  San Francisco, CA  94107 and
     are used with permission.
     
     The  contents  of  the  articles  contained  here  are  not   our
     responsibility,   nor   do   we   necessarily  agree  with  them.
     Everything here is  subject  to  debate.  We  publish  EVERYTHING
     received.



                             Table of Contents

     1. ARTICLES  .................................................  1
        Hitch Hikers Guide to the Bylaws Amendments  ..............  1
        Why's That in the EchoList?  ..............................  5
        FidoCon Update  ...........................................  7
        Kids & Computers  .........................................  9
     2. FOR SALE  ................................................. 11
        Programs too big?  Give 'em the AXE!  ..................... 11
     3. NOTICES  .................................................. 12
        New Echo: ADOPTEES  ....................................... 12
        The Interrupt Stack  ...................................... 12
        Latest Software Versions  ................................. 13
     4. COMMITTEE REPORTS  ........................................ 14
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                                 ARTICLES
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               Hitch Hikers Guide to the Bylaws Amendments.

     Please read the entire message.

          1. 0001- A.  NO.  It puts an untested and unused policy in
             the bylaws and in definitions.  Definitions are not for
             procedures and policy.  BAD amendment.

          2. 0002- B.  NO.  Gives all sysops the "right" to vote
             without ever paying dues.  Why would anyone join?  Other
             problems:  who amends bylaws.  Why give power to non
             members if IFNA has no power over them?  If you like
             that idea, please vote for 0002 E!

          3. 0002- E.  Called the Bacon- Jordan- Perilleo Amendment.
             It gives the organization half over to non paying sysops.
             Okay, IF IFNA retains responsibility for FidoNet.
             Otherwise, why bother?  NO RECOMMENDATION, but
             acceptable.

          4. 0004.  Sets dues within bylaws.  No recommendation,
             acceptable.

          5. 0006.  Fees.  IFNA has been poor for quite a while and
             with the number of directors we have, IFNA is not going
             to be sugar daddy.  Yes, but no affect.

          6. 0018- B.  NO.  Gives seats on directors for members of
             Alternet, GoodEgg.  1.  We have more than enough
             directors and nets now.  2.  Why give multiple votes to
             a single person?

          7. 0020-  A and B.  Ahhh. . . this is interesting.
             Proposition A assumes that the VP TC has nothing to do
             with nodelist (not IC).  Proposition B clarifies old
             bylaws state that the VP TC is IC.  Recommendation (no
             surprise) - B.  Otherwise the VP TC and IFNA do nothing.

          8. Remember if you vote for A, be consistent with other
             votes.

          9. Grievance committee.  Yes.  A committee can only report
             and suggest to the board.

          10. Zones.  ???  You call it.  (I do not like the idea
              tho'.)

          11. Others are moderately safe and sane.




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     You can vote on bylaws for IFNA.  Why should you bother?  What
     are the real issues?  You need some background and opinions.

     I got involved before and after Colorado Springs.  I wrote a
     draft set of bylaws to get things started.  And now...  I get
     ahead of the story.


     A. Background

     In the beginning, we had no rules.  Policy was open "Do it my
     way or leave."  There was no IFNA.  The International
     Coordinator(s) formed IFNA so that they could receive support
     without tax consequences.  The IC needed support.  It may be
     okay to do that job for 50, 200, or maybe 500.  When the list
     goes over 2,000 including international nodes, it becomes too
     much for one person.

     We had a meeting in Colorado Springs.  Depending on your point of
     view, there was a revolt by some "flamers" OR the founders of
     IFNA blew it.  Both points have merit.

     After FidoCon, I decided that no one else was going to write the
     bylaws so I sat down and did a ROUGH draft!  We formed a
     committee.  EchoMail committees don't work.  We met in Nashua,
     NH.  We came up with another, different draft.  We were to go
     home to revise the rough parts.

     The BoD of IFNA put that draft to a vote against our complaints.
     The bylaw's committee wanted to clean it up, but there was no
     final draft.  What you see today, should have been cleaned up
     before the first vote.  Why?  There are too many directors and
     ambiguities.  The procedures are terrible.  Since
     then I have had many suggestions and even final drafts of
     bylaws.


     Now here is the dilemma.  You have multiple amendments to
     consider. THE proposals are conflicting.  They are written by
     various people who disagree.  DO NOT APPROVE EVERY ONE.  Some
     sound better than they will taste.

     Some sysops are trying the middle ground.  Real danger!  Why? If
     there are problems in any of FidoNet, then IFNA is supposed to
     help.  Our first response is an argument over what is our
     territory.  If FidoNet is successful, then credit goes to *C's,
     no one joins IFNA.  No one joins IFNA -> no support for *C's.

     If you try to please everyone by fuzzy thinking, you please
     no one.

     THE ISSUES:  Does IFNA control the FidoNet?  How much?  How?  No
     one suggests that IFNA try to enforce day-to-day control of
     fidonet.  If IFNA does not control, can it and should it
     support?  If IFNA does not control, then who does?  Is IFNA
     international?  Are we an American organization that
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     allows foreigners to join, but leave them out?  How can we
     integrate our international friends?


     How does it all fit?  Try to follow my logic.

     A. The FidoNet Sysops need a coordinator system(*C's) to :

          1. Maintain a nodelist with unique numbers.
          2. Process and expedite netmail.
          3. Develop standards so that net mail and echomail function.
          4. Make FidoNews available.
          5. Help them setting up their BBS.

     B. The *C's need IFNA to:

          1. Raise money to support financially the FidoNet Sysops
             and the *C's.
          2. Sanction the Technical Committee.
          3. Protect the *C's from legal challenges.
          4. Protect the copyright of the nodelist for the benefit of
             the FNS.
          5. Interface with the world.  IFNA is a corporation and a
             legal entity and the *C's are not.  The *C's cannot enter
             into contracts or apply for copyrights.

     C. IFNA needs the support of the FidoNet Sysops to:

          1. Sell memberships.  No memberships -=> no money -=> no
             IFNA.
          2. Without membership, no feedback from the Sysops and IFNA
             cannot lead without feedback and legitimacy.

     D. IFNA needs the *C's to:

          1. Operate the net by maintaining the weekly nodelist and
             adjudicate differences within the FNS and *C's.
          2. Develop rules for operation of the net (policy).

     E. To protect and finance the *C's (see above) and to protect the
        interest of its members, IFNA needs a strong link to the
        nodelist.  Without that link, membership shall decline and
        better leaders shall abandon IFNA.  Therefore, FULLY
        RESPECTING THE OPINIONS OF THE *C's, IFNA shall:

          1. Elect the VP TC.  The VP TC shall either be the IC or
             appoint someone to be the IC.
          2. Adopt policy as recommended by the VP TC without making
             unreasonable amendments.

     F. To protect its administrative function, the *C's shall:

          1. Advise IFNA of their choice of VP TC and their version
             of Policy.
          2. Retain the right to severe its relationship with IFNA.
             Severing its relationship with IFNA may have a negative
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             effect upon the Sysops of the FidoNet.
             Therefore, the *C's shall get a vote from those sysops
             before the separation.

     G. All the above is consistent with common sense and now accepted
        documents and require no amendments to bylaws nor policy.
        Therefore, be it resolved that:

          1. IFNA is the official organization of the FidoNet sysops.
             IFNA supports the operation of that Net.
          2. IFNA grants the *C's authority and wide discretion to
             administer the FidoNet.

     Humbly yours,

     Steve Jordan
     102/2871
     Regional Director of IFNA
     Chairman of Bylaws Committee
     Artichoke Evangelist (yes, even that is true.)

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     Mike Fuchs
     1:1/201

               EchoList - The EchoMail Conference List

     I got a reasonable critique recently, essentially asking why
     waste telephone time and paper on those ancillary reference
     files published with the EchoList, when they were basically
     redundant to the ELISTnnn.TXT file?

     It was a reasonable question, and I hope I provided a
     reasonable answer.  Having done so, however, I thought it
     might be a good idea to expand on my last article about the
     EchoList by providing everyone with that explanation of
     what's in the EchoList distribution, and why.

     Currently, the ELISTnnn.ARC file includes four files:

       ELISTnnn.TXT - The full, detailed EchoList
       ELISTnnn.MOD - The Moderator cross-reference report
       ELISTnnn.NAM - The cross-reference by Symbolic Area Name
       ELISTnnn.ARM - An abbreviated Conference list with all
                      primary and alternate Moderators

     I added the additional cross references over that last few
     months as responses to specific needs.  The .TXT file is the
     authoritative listing.  It contains all information except
     the alternate moderators.  The reason that certain entries
     do not display the Symbolic Area Name is that the Moderator
     of that conference has requested that it not be disclosed--
     for security from hackers, or whatever.  I just list what
     moderators provide.

     The other listings are meant as short cross references
     and/or different sort orders.  I agree that it's unfortunate
     that it adds something to the phone time.  But, of course,
     there is no reason to print them if you don't want them.

     The .MOD is important to Moderators since all conferences
     are listed in order of Moderator name.  They can find all
     listings active for them in short order.

     The .NAM is needed because the primary .TXT listing is
     sorted by Title, and some moderators chose Titles that sort
     to useless places.  If you want to know more about the FLIRT
     echo, it's easy to find in .NAM; but would be down in the
     W's (for "Where men and women can Flirt") in the main list.
     Also, ONLY conferences with published Symbolic Area Names
     are in this listing.

     The .ARM was only recently added, and it's the most
     superfluous as far as I'm concerned.  It was added to kill
     two stones with one bird.  First, some conferences want to
     list multiple Moderators, and I would have had a problem
     adding them to the .TXT listing without wasting a lot of
     space for the vast majority of conferences.  So, they are
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     listed ONLY in .ARM.

     Second, it was added as a result of a critique just opposite
     to the message I mentioned earlier in the article.  The .TXT
     file has gotten so long and time consuming to print, that a
     summary 'index' of sorts was needed.  So .ARM is actually
     the only file anyone would 'have' to print to see a complete
     conference listing by title. Then you could browse the .TXT
     file on disk for more information if you wanted it.  It
     bothers me that it's so redundant, but I figured more
     options meant better ease of use... so there it is.

     If you're interested, you can file request "ELISTMOD" from
     1:1/201 to get documentation on what options Moderators have
     for submitting entries in the EchoList; and instructions on
     how to submit an entry if you Moderate a conference
     yourself.  And "ECHOLIST" will always get you the most
     recent EchoList itself.

                                Enjoy,
                        And have fun with it!

      - Mike Fuchs, 1:1/201


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        Believe it or not FidoCon '88 is just around the corner.  If
     you plan to attend this year and have not yet registered, please
     let us know so that we can better plan for attendance.  Just drop
     us a note at 1/88 or 108/62 and tell us if your comming.  Early
     registration is closed, but we still want you!

        Final arrangments are now being made.  Come join your fellow
     SYSOPs in what promises to be the BBS event of the year!


                            --------------------
                             FidoCon '88 Agenda
                            --------------------


     Wednesday August 24th, 1988
     ---------------------------

      3:30-7:00 Registration
      7:00-9:00 Get-to-Know-Me Reception


     Thursday August 25th, 1988
     --------------------------

      8:30-12:30 Registration

      9:00- 10:00 Opening ceremony: Don Daniels

      10:30-12:00
            Track I      George Stanislov     Opus V1.10? Avatar
            Track II     Tom Marshall         Shareware (Legal)
            Track III    Larry Paul & Basil   Astronomy

      12:30- 1:30   Deli Lunch

       1:45- 3:15
            Track I      Tim Pozar            UUCP Gateway
            Track II     Mike Bader           FidoNet Tech. at work
            Track III    Bob Hartman          FTSC report

       3:30- 5:00
            Track I      Bob Hartman          OMMM
            Track II     Julia Stockreef      New online Info system
            Track III    Marshall Presnell    Assoc. Net Sysops

       6:00- 7:00   Hawaiian Luau Dinner


     Friday August 26th, 1988
     ------------------------

      10:30-12:00
            Track I      U.S. Robotics        High speed modems
            Track II     Kitty Heavener       CompuTech for the Blind
            Track III    Harry Lee            GS point & Glufwd
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      12:30- 1:30  Poolside Cookout Lunch

       1:45- 3:15
            Track I      Butch Walker         Multitasking BBS's
            Track II     Chris Irwin&Joaquim  Front Door & D'Bridge
            Track III    Dale Lovell          FidoNews

       3:30- 5:00
            Track I      Johnathon Wallace    BBS Legal Issues
            Track II     Thom Henderson       Seadog & Axe
            Track III    Randy Van de Loo     Hard Drives & ARLL

       7:30-10:00  FidoCon '88 Banquet


     Saturday August 27th, 1988
     --------------------------

      10:30-12:00
            Track I      Ben Baker            Fidonet Calendar
            Track II     Decker Doggett       Lessons in E'mail
            Track III    Mike Bryeans         Lynx

      12:30- 1:30  Deli Lunch

       1:45- 3:15
            Track I      Linda Thompson       BBS privacy suit
            Track II     Phil Becker          TBBS
            Track III    Tom Hendricks        Software Distrib.

       3:30- 5:00
            Track I      Bob, Vince, Alan     BinkleyTerm
            Track II     Henk Wevers          Dutchie
            Track III    David Drexler        KidsNet


     Sunday August 28th, 1988
     ------------------------

       10:30 - ?  IFNA BOD meeting (open to all IFNA members)

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     Freeman Witherspoon
     Fido 100/525

                           Is KidsNews Dying?

     The  following  will  be  included  in  the  next edition of
     KidsNews. It is here now for your edification:

     The  KidsNews  staff  has  undergone  some  major changes in how
     the KidsNews newsletter is published. I am Brandy's  Dad  and  I
     got involved because KidsNews seemed to be headed in a direction
     that was not consistant with the goals as stated in KidsNews.A04
     two months ago. Also, there was a lack of reader contribution in
     any  form which has hurt the newsletter tremendously. It is just
     not possible for a 13 year old  kid to  publish  the  newsletter
     and  then distribute it independantly without some contributions
     to enhance its continuance. She was expected to pay for paper to
     print it for "Snail Mail" subscriptions and the stamps  to  mail
     it.  She was expected to pay the phone bills for mailing through
     the Fido (tm) Network system. And she was expected  to  continue
     to  keep  a  grade  average  in school that was of an acceptable
     standard to her Mom and I. This may not seem like much  to  some
     people,  but  it just didn't pan out for her. She even asked the
     Sysops  of  some  systems  to  help  her  in  distributing   the
     newsletter  and from some she got the reply "Its not financially
     within  my  capability".  There  is   some   finances   involved
     appearantly  to  this  newsletter  business. I wish I could help
     also and I have to the point of paying her bills as DONATIONS to
     her cause. Now I need help also.

     Then again, maybe it was a bit much, considering the  amount  of
     contributions  sent  through  various  medium like the "National
     KIDS  Echo  Conference",  Fido  (tm)  NetMail  messages,  direct
     mailing  capabilities  (her post office box which she had to pay
     for), and last but not least, direct link into Seguaro BBS for a
     chat. None of  which  materialized  over  a  six  month  period.
     Oh,  there were about three jokes, a handful of trivia, and some
     birthdays, that made it  through  the  connections  to  100/525.
     However,  all  the  "Articles" were composed manually by Brandy.
     This required a lot of time on her part. So,  come  on  and  get
     those  articles in. If by chance there were some items that were
     submitted via the echo for inclusion into the  newsletter,  they
     never  made  it  to  100/525.  Please  bring  it  to the Editors
     attention when you want something included by adding a  sentence
     that  says  "Please include in KidsNews". It will be done if the
     message gets  to  our  Bulletin  Board.  We  have  "Crash  Mail"
     capability. As you can see from the above, contributions may not
     necessarily mean monitary in nature.  Her  compiling and writing
     the articles, thinking of games to add, contest, trivia, and all
     the items that comprise the newsletter was a burden also.

     There was one contest which is still running. Contributed by the
     good  folks  at FIREPLUG I, (Fido 1:322/710.0). Mr Kevin Sinksen
     submitted the contest which  is  listed  below  in  reguards  to
     National  Fire  Prevention Week. Its an essay contest which will
     enhance our childrens safety when it comes to fires. A  noteable
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     gesture  on  Mr.  Sinksens  part  in  enhancing  the  future and
     longevity of our children. Please  get  your child  involved  in
     these projects and contest. Thier life may depend on some of it.
     Thank  you Mr. Sinksen for the nice contribution to the kids and
     KidsNews.

     The  last  KidsNews  was sent out with a subscription form in an
     attempt to recoupe some of  the  loss  encountered  during  this
     endeavor  to  provide  the  kids around this great nation with a
     publication that they could have a say in, submit  articles  in,
     even  run  a  column  in.  This  i'm  sad  to say was possibly a
     redundant idea since the echo seemed to  provide  all  that  was
     needed.  To  those  of you  who used the subscription form, your
     funds will be returned to you unless you  state  that  it  is  a
     DONATION to help KidsNews continue. To those of you who have not
     contributed,  we  will  run a FEW more editions to allow you the
     opportunity to do so. Again, the address is:

     Claude F. Witherspoon
     P.O Box 8045
     Granite City, IL 62040-8045

     There will be no subscription attached to this newsletter.  Only
     a  request  for  donations  for  its continuance. We at KidsNews
     appologize to those that we have confused, burdened in any  way,
     or flat made mad by our inability to predict the human nature.

     This article is submitted by me with Brandy's permission and  is
     in  no way her idea for generating an income. I just didn't like
     to see her worry over something that may be of  no  interest  to
     the  public as a whole. Then again maybe it is. We will find out
     by  your  involvement.  Brandy is not asking for much, just some
     participation by you for the kids around the country. Who knows,
     maybe even for the kids in other countries as well?

     Thank you ever so much for your time. I hope that I  have  given
     some  of  you an idea of what Brandy was up against and that you
     may see it in your heart  to  contribute  in  this  worth  while
     project  for not just Brandy, but the kids around the nation and
     over seas. Yes we are trying to get the publication to Australia
     and England. The echo is connected there and  it  should  be  an
     easy task to have everyone involved. We, can  with your support.
     I hope to be  communicating  with all of you in the kids echo or
     otherwise. Till then, "G'day" as they say in Australia.

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     =================================================================
                                 FOR SALE
     =================================================================

                    Programs too big?  Give 'em the AXE!


     What could  SEA  do  to  top  it's  phenominally  successful  ARC
     program?


     Well,  have  you noticed that new programs from SEA don't seem to
     ARC very well lately?


                               *     *     *


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     latest  and  greatest  addition  to our line of quality software.
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     If you thought ARC was good,  wait until  you  see  AXE!  It  can
     compress  almost  any  .EXE  or  .COM  file  by  twenty to thirty
     percent,  saving you megabytes of disk  space.  And,  here's  the
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     you'll sure notice the extra disk space!

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     MasterCard.  Get AXE today, and chop your programs down to size!

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     =================================================================
                                  NOTICES
     =================================================================

     Bob Heide
     Fido 227/3

                              New Echo: ADOPTEES

     There is a new echo available which offers helpful information
     for adoptees, birth parents and others.  Topics include:

          1) Discussion of legislation affecting adoptees,
             birth parents and adoptive parents.

          2) How, when and where to search.

          3) Agencies that offer help to adoptees or parents
             searching for relatives.

          4) Inquires from adoptees, birth parents and siblings,
             using as much information as is available to them
             concerning the person they are searching for.

     This is an ideal companion echo for those people already
     carrying the genealogical conference.  If you are interested
     in this echo, it is available thru the REGION 11 co-ordinator,
     and can easily be passed to other regional co-ordinators.

     If you would like to take a look at the echo, you can read it
     on my board, Treasure Chest BBS, at (219) 287-4326.  If you
     have any questions, I will be happy to answer net mail.


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                          The Interrupt Stack


     25 Aug 1988
        Start  of the  Fifth  International  FidoNet Conference, to be
        held  at  the Drawbridge Inn  in Cincinnati, OH.  Contact  Tim
        Sullivan at 108/62 for more information. This is FidoNet's big
        annual get-together, and is your chance to meet all the people
        you've  been talking with  all this time.  We're hoping to see
        you there!

     17 Oct 1988
        Start of the Digital Equipment Corporation Users Society's
        (DECUS) semi-annual symposium. It is being held at Anaheim,
        California.

     23 Nov 1988
        25th Anniversary of Doctor Who
        7 Doctors and going strong!

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     24 Aug 1989
        Voyager 2 passes Neptune.

      5 Oct 1989
        20th Anniversary of "Monty Python's Flying Circus"

     If you have something which you would like to see on this
     calendar, please send a message to FidoNet node 1:1/1.

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                          Latest Software Versions

     BBS Systems            Node List              Other
     & Mailers   Version    Utilities   Version    Utilities   Version

     Dutchie        2.90*   EditNL         4.00*   ARC            5.22*
     Fido            12h    MakeNL         2.12*   ARCmail         1.1
     Opus          1.03b    Prune          1.40    ConfMail       3.31
     SEAdog         4.10    XlatList       2.86    EchoMail       1.31
     TBBS           2.0M    XlaxNode       2.10*   MGM             1.1
     BinkleyTerm    1.50    XlaxDiff       2.10*   X00           1.10a*
     QuickBBS       2.01    ParseList      1.10

     * Recently changed

     Utility authors:  Please help  keep  this  list  up  to  date  by
     reporting  new  versions  to 1:1/1.  It is not our intent to list
     all utilities here, only those which verge on necessity.

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     =================================================================
                             COMMITTEE REPORTS
     =================================================================

     Bob Swift 1:140/24
     By-Laws and Rules Committee

     The following is the Ballot for the voting on the proposed
     amendments to the By-Laws of the International FidoNet
     Association (IFNA) for 1988.  By-Law Item 40 states that "These
     By-Laws may be amended  or changed by majority vote of the
     membership during any election. ..."  These amendments are to be
     voted on in conjunction with the current Election of the IFNA
     Board of Directors and are to conform to the following rules:

     1. You must send a legible copy of this ballot to the address
     listed on the ballot or cast your vote in person at the
     conference prior to the closing of the election Polls.  It must
     be signed and bear your current net/node number.

     2. Voting will continue until the end of the Conference
     registration on the 25th of August, 1988.  Ballots which are
     mailed must reach the address listed below prior to Wednesday,
     24 August 1988.  The results will be read during the opening of
     business meeting on the first day of the conference.

     The actual text of the proposed amendments appeared in FidoNews
     volume 5 issue 31, dated 1 August 1988.  The complete text of the
     proposed amendments along with a copy of this Ballot is available
     as BYLAW-88.ARC for download from 1:140/24, or may be file-
     requested under the name BYLAWS88 any time outside Zone 1 Mail
     Hour.


                     International FidoNet Association
                       1988 By-Law Amendments Ballot
                     ---------------------------------

     Docket Number BLA-88-0001 (Definitions)

          A _____   B _____   None _____


     Docket Number BLA-88-0002 (Membership)

          A _____   B _____   C _____   D _____   E _____   None _____

     Docket Number BLA-88-0003 (Application and Notification)

          A _____   B _____   None _____

     Docket Number BLA-88-0004 (Annual Fees)

          Yea _____   Nay _____

     Docket Number BLA-88-0005 (Directors' Successors)
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          Yea _____   Nay _____

     Docket Number BLA-88-0006 (Compensation)

          Yea _____   Nay _____

     Docket Number BLA-88-0007 (Qualification)

          Yea _____   Nay _____

     Docket Number BLA-88-0008 (Representation)

          Yea _____   Nay _____

     Docket Number BLA-88-0009 (Nomination Deadline)

          Yea _____   Nay _____

     Docket Number BLA-88-0010 (Nominations)

          Yea _____   Nay _____

     Docket Number BLA-88-0011 (Ballots)

          Yea _____   Nay _____

     Docket Number BLA-88-0012 (Vacant Position)

          Yea _____   Nay _____

     Docket Number BLA-88-0013 (Alternates)

          Yea _____   Nay _____

     Docket Number BLA-88-0014 (Elections)

          Yea _____   Nay _____

     Docket Number BLA-88-0015 (Recall Petition)

          Yea _____   Nay _____

     Docket Number BLA-88-0016 (Annual Business Meeting)

          Yea _____   Nay _____

     Docket Number BLA-88-0017 (Agenda)

          Yea _____   Nay _____

     Docket Number BLA-88-0018 (Voting Divisions)

          A _____   B _____   None _____

     Docket Number BLA-88-0019 (Secretary Responsibilities)

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          Yea _____   Nay _____

     Docket Number BLA-88-0020 (VP-TC Responsibilities)

          A _____   B _____   None _____

     Docket Number BLA-88-0021 (Standing Committees)

          Yea _____   Nay _____

     Docket Number BLA-88-0022 (Administration and Finance Committee)

          Yea _____   Nay _____

     Docket Number BLA-88-0023 (By-Laws and Rules Committee)

          Yea _____   Nay _____

     Docket Number BLA-88-0024 (Fidonews)

          Yea _____   Nay _____

     Docket Number BLA-88-0025 (By-Law Amendments)

          A _____   B _____   None _____

     Docket Number BLA-88-0026 (Non-Compliance)

          Yea _____   Nay _____

     Docket Number BLA-88-0027 (Financial Audit)

          Yea _____   Nay _____

     Docket Number BLA-88-0028 (Trademarks)

          Yea _____   Nay _____

     Docket Number BLA-88-0029 (Conduct of Business)

          Yea _____   Nay _____

     Docket Number BLA-88-0030 (Meeting Precedence)

          Yea _____   Nay _____

     Docket Number BLA-88-0031 (Zones)

          Yea _____   Nay _____

     Docket Number BLA-88-0032 (Grievance Committee)

          Yea _____   Nay _____



     FidoNews 5-34                Page 17                  22 Aug 1988


        Name ______________________________  Net/Node ___________

        Signature______________________________  Date ___________


     Please complete this and mail it to:

                   Rob Barker
                   IFNA Elections Committee
                   7406 - 27th Street West
                   Suite #7, Plaza West
                   Tacoma, Wa 98466

     or bring it with you when you come to the conference in August.

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     Rob Barker 138/34
     Chairman, Elections and Nominations Committee


                            RULES AND PROCEDURES

     The next two pages are your Official ballot for the Election of
     the IFNA Board of Directors.  The following are the few rules
     which must prevail in this election:

     1. You must send a legible copy of this ballot to the address
     listed on the ballot or cast your vote in person at the
     conference prior to the closing of the election Polls.  It must
     be signed and bear your current net/node number.

     2. You may vote for any person in your Division for the position
     of Divisional Director.  This vote is to be cast in the LEFT
     column of the ballot.

     3. You may vote for any six people for the position of Director
     at Large.  These votes are to be cast in the RIGHT column of the
     ballot.

     4. Voting will continue until the end of the Conference
     registration on the 24th of August, 1988.  Ballots which are
     mailed must reach the address listed below prior to Tuesday, 23
     August 1988.  The results will be read during the opening of
     business meeting on the first day of the conference.

     5. Write-in votes will be accepted and are requested during this
     election.





                          IFNA Board Of Directors
                                   Ballot


     Candidate               Net/Node     Divisional    At-Large
                                             Vote         Vote
     ------------------      ---------    ----------    --------

     DIVISION 2:
        Henk Weavers            500/1         (1)

     DIVISION 10:
        Jim Bacon               103/507      _____        _____
        Courtney Harris         102/732      _____        _____
        Steve Jordan            102/2871     _____        _____

     DIVISION 12:
        Bill Bolton             711/403      _____        _____
        Leonard Mednick         345/1        _____        _____

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     DIVISION 14:
        Glen Jackson            100/517      _____        _____
        Ken Kaplan              100/22       _____        _____

     DIVISION 16:
        Vince Perriello         141/491       (1)

     DIVISION 18:
        Chris Baker             18/14         (1)

     ADDITIONAL AT-LARGE
        Steve Bonine            115/777                   _____
        Don Daniels             107/210                   _____
        Dave Melnik             107/233                   _____
        Robert Rudolph          261/628                   _____
        Greg Small              148/122                   _____
        ________________       _________                  _____
        ________________       _________                  _____
        ________________       _________                  _____


     (1)  This candidate has been elected to the office of Divisional
     Director with no further voting procedure necessary as per By Law
     #11.

     "The Nominations and Elections Committee shall delet the name of
     any nominee who mayt be ineligible for election and the name of
     any who may withdraw by written communications.  The remaining
     names shall be listed on a ballot, in alphabetical order.  IF
     THERE BE BUT ONE ELIGIBLE NOMINEE, THE NOMINATIONS AND ELECTION
     COMMITTEE SHALL DECLARE HIM ELECTED WITHOUT BALLOTING BY THE
     MEMBERSHIP. (Emphasis added. -rb) If there be more than one
     eligible nominee, then at least 45 days prior to the Annual
     Meeting the Secretary shall send by mail to every voting member,
     and publish in FidoNews, a bollot listing the candidates for
     director.  The ballor shall contain a copy of the current voting
     rules."




        Name ______________________________  Net/Node ___________

        Signature______________________________  Date ___________


     Please complete this and mail it to:

                   Rob Barker
                   IFNA Elections Committee
                   7406 - 27th Street West
                   Suite #7, Plaza West
                   Tacoma, Wa 98466

     or bring it with you when you come to the conference in August.

     FidoNews 5-34                Page 20                  22 Aug 1988


                               Thank You

                               Rob Barker
                               Elections and Nominations Committee


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            OFFICERS OF THE INTERNATIONAL FIDONET ASSOCIATION

     Ken Kaplan       100/22   Chairman of the Board
     Don Daniels      107/210  President
     Mark Grennan     147/1    Vice President
     Dave Dodell      114/15   Vice President - Technical Coordinator
     David Garrett    103/501  Secretary
     Leonard Mednick  345/1    Treasurer



                         IFNA BOARD OF DIRECTORS

         DIVISION                               AT-LARGE

     10  Steve Jordan      102/2871        Don Daniels     107/210
     11  Bill Allbritten   11/301          Hal DuPrie      101/106
     12  Leonard Mednick   345/1           Mark Grennan    147/1
     13  Rick Siegel       107/27          Brad Hicks      100/523
     14  Ken Kaplan        100/22          Ted Polczyinski 154/5
     15  Jim Cannell       128/13          Joe Keenan      109/661
     16  Vince Perriello   141/491         Robert Rudolph  261/628
     17  Rob Barker        138/34          Doug Thompson   221/162
     18  Christopher Baker 135/14          Bob Swift       140/24
     19  - vacant -                        Larry Wall      15/18
      2  Henk Wevers       2:500/1         Gee Wong        107/312

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                                      __
                 The World's First   /  \
                    BBS Network     /|oo \
                    * FidoNet *    (_|  /_)
                                    _`@/_ \    _
                                   |     | \   \\
                                   | (*) |  \   ))
                      ______       |__U__| /  \//
                     / Fido \       _//|| _\   /
                    (________)     (_/(_|(____/ (tm)

            Membership for the International FidoNet Association

     Membership in IFNA is open to any individual or organization that
     pays the annual membership fee.  IFNA serves the international
     FidoNet-compatible electronic mail community to increase
     worldwide communications.

     Name __________________________________  Date ___________________
     Address _________________________________________________________
     City ____________________________________________________________
     State ________________________________  Zip _____________________
     Country _________________________________________________________
     Home Phone (Voice) ______________________________________________
     Work Phone (Voice) ______________________________________________
     Is this a new application? _________  a renewal? ________________
     Are you a Sysop? _________  If so, for how long? ________________
     Your BBS Info:   (Non-Sysops enter info for your most-called BBS)
     Zone:Net/Node Number ____________________________________________
     BBS Name ________________________________________________________
     BBS Phone Number ________________________________________________
     Your Special Interests __________________________________________
     _________________________________________________________________
     _________________________________________________________________
     In what areas would you be willing to help in FidoNet? __________
     _________________________________________________________________
     _________________________________________________________________
     Are there any special resources that you could provide? _________
     _________________________________________________________________

               Regular Membership                     $25
               Lifetime Membership                    $250

         Send this form and a check or money order in US Funds to:
                   International FidoNet Association
                   c/o Leonard Mednick, CPA
                   700 Bishop Street, #1014
                   Honolulu, HI   96813    USA

     IFNA is a general not-for-profit organization.  Articles of
     Association and By-Laws were adopted by the membership in January
     1987.  The IFNA Echomail Conference has been established on
     FidoNet to assist the Board of Directors.  We welcome your input
     on this Conference.

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                     INTERNATIONAL FIDONET ASSOCIATION
                                 ORDER FORM

                                Publications

     The IFNA publications can be obtained by downloading from Fido
     1:1/10 or  other FidoNet compatible  systems, or by purchasing
     them directly from IFNA.  We ask that  all our  IFNA Committee
     Chairmen   provide  us   with  the  latest  versions  of  each
     publication, but we can make no written guarantees.

     Hardcopy prices as of October 1, 1986

        IFNA Fido BBS listing                       $15.00    _____
        IFNA Administrative Policy DOCs             $10.00    _____
        IFNA FidoNet Standards Committee DOCs       $10.00    _____

                                                  SUBTOTAL    _____

                      IFNA Member ONLY Special Offers

        System Enhancement Associates SEAdog        $60.00    _____
        SEAdog price as of March 1, 1987
        ONLY 1 copy SEAdog per IFNA Member

        Fido Software's Fido/FidoNet               $100.00    _____
        Fido/FidoNet price as of November 1, 1987
        ONLY 1 copy Fido/FidoNet per IFNA Member

        International orders include $10.00 for
               surface shipping or $20.00 for air shipping    _____

                                                  SUBTOTAL    _____

                    HI. Residents add 4.0 % Sales tax         _____

                                                  TOTAL       _____

        SEND CHECK OR MONEY ORDER IN US FUNDS:
        International FidoNet Association
        c/o Leonard Mednick, MBA, CPA
        700 Bishop Street, #1014
        Honolulu, HI.  96813-4112
        USA

     Name________________________________
     Zone:Net/Node____:____/____
     Company_____________________________
     Address_____________________________
     City____________________  State____________  Zip_____
     Voice Phone_________________________

     Signature___________________________

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