     The  F I D O N E W S      Volume 20, Number 15             14 Apr 2003 
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                        Table of Contents
     1. FOOD FOR THOUGHT  .........................................  1
     2. GENERAL ARTICLES  .........................................  2
        A Visit with Friends  .....................................  2
        We Have Rights  ...........................................  6
     3. OL'WDB'S COLUMN - WARREN BONNER  ..........................  8
        HOW WE TREAT PEOPLE  ......................................  8
     4. FIDONET NOTICES  .......................................... 10
        Donations needed for SysOp!  .............................. 10
     5. FRANK'S COLUMN - FRANK VEST  .............................. 12
        A Wondrous Time  .......................................... 12
     6. CLEAN HUMOUR & JOKES  ..................................... 13
        ARTHRITIS  ................................................ 13
     7. BEST OF FIDONET  .......................................... 15
        Kipling teaches Bush  ..................................... 15
     8. BEN RITCHEY'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING  ................... 18
        FIDONet Software References  .............................. 18
     9. FIDONET BY INTERNET  ...................................... 23
        Fidonet-related sites  .................................... 23
     10. SPECIAL INTEREST  ........................................ 28
        Nodelist Stats  ........................................... 28
     11. FIDONEWS INFORMATION  .................................... 30
        How to Submit an Article  ................................. 30
        Credits, Legal Infomation, Availability  .................. 32
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                             FOOD FOR THOUGHT
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     Only when you can be extremely pliable and soft can you be extremely
     hard and strong.
                                      -- Zen proverb


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                             GENERAL ARTICLES
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                            A Visit with Friends
                by Janis Kracht, 1:261/38, janis@filegate.net

     This may seem strange, writing an article about an even that happened
     just about a year ago, but since I just received a picture from that
     event, I figured I'd share it, and it's story with all of you.

     Moving from one state in the United States to another (in this case,
     about 750 miles away) is never easy.. and as usual, various obstacles
     will sometimes get in the way of packing and getting ready for moving
     day.  This move, in May of 2002, was no different...  with closing
     dates shifted on us twice, and software project deadlines that had to
     be met, Ron and I found ourselves precariously close to the day we
     were supposed to take off ... with a 12 room house with much still to
     be packed.

     So Ron and I then did what most people do in such circumstances... we
     packed boxes, crates and storage containers day and night !! We had
     less than a week left to go and the boxes were finally taking over the
     house.

     The phone rang in the midst of this marathon packing.  Needless to
     say, I didn't mind taking a break from the exhausting and sometimes
     tedious chore ... especially to talk on the phone .

     I was so thrilled (and really surprised! ) to learn that the caller,
     Anatoly Burov, was a SysOp from Russia, in net 2:5030!  He and two
     other friends had won math and science contests at their school in
     Russia that gave them each a chance to compete at the International
     Science and Engineering Competition, sponsored by Intel and held that
     year in Louisville, Kentucky. The competition would be fierce, no
     doubt, as the top math and science students from all over the world
     would be competing for 1st place in each category.

     Ron and I convinced them that our home was more than walking distance
     from their downtown Louisville Hotel (The Galt House), so we'd be
     happy to drive to their hotel and pick them up.  I gave Anatoly my
     description so he could pick me out in the crowd at the Hotel.  "Look
     for the lady with blonde hair, a white shirt, and grungy blue jeans,
     who's with a tall brown haired guy", I said.  I at least knew I'd be
     looking for three guys hanging out together (grin).

     Ron and I arrived at the Galt House, which was only about 10 or 15
     minutes by car from our house (I swear, everything in Louisville is
     only 10 or 15 minutes away from any place, because of network of
     highways there ).  We looked around the Lobby through the busy crowd
     of people for our visitors, and seeing nothing apparent, we sat down
     hoping to see them emerge from the elevators, or other entrances. Not
     long after, three fellows wearing headbands approached us timidly..

     "Janis??" "Anatoly??"

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     We'd found each other - or rather Anatoly, Svjatoslav, and Mikhail had
     found me!  We happily clasped hands, hugged and it felt like we'd
     already known each other for more than that few moments! It's an
     amazing thing to me... this entity we call "Fidonet".. where total
     strangers can meet in the real world, and forget all the nonsense of
     the world around us, and be as happy to meet a fellow member SysOp, as
     one would be to meet a brother or sister.

     We brought them to our car, and started on our way back to our house
     where we could sit around and discuss things fidonet and otherwise
     (grin).  The ride to our house was full of questions on both sides,
     and I learned that the three travelers were points in Fidonet from St.
     Petersburg, Russia.  I asked them if they wanted to stop and pick up
     some beer.. Hey, when have you ever heard of SysOps getting together
     without that ??  haha.. Well, they told me, No, they weren't
     interested in beer.. Just as well, really - like any alcohol, beer
     just kills brain cells (smile). And I got the impression that these
     fellows had more they wanted out of life than that.  I explained to
     them that Russian points were not "strangers" to me <grin> For a long
     time I had a point on my system from Novosgovod, and I of course asked
     if they knew him :) I was happy to hear that they did know him, and
     they were a little surprised that I knew him as well.  (Hello Valery
     Dmitry, if you are reading this <smile>)

     Once at our home, my two black labs (one 6 years old at the time, and
     the other about 6 months old then) greeted us at the door (of
     course).As it turned out, Anatoly, Mikail and Sjvorsky really enjoyed
     playing with the dogs - the dogs didn't give my visitors much of a
     choice <grin> ... and Priscilla and Toby (my labs) were thrilled to be
     included in visit.  It's not every day that a labrador retriever get
     to slobber and kiss strangers in your house :)

     Eventually things calmed down in box laden computer room where we
     settled.. and I explained the reason for the seemingly unending piles
     of boxes and containers. Language between us was really no problem at
     all, as Anatoly and Svjatoslav were incredibly good at both speaking
     and understanding English. They had explained in the car the type of
     entries they'd submitted at the science fair, and as we talked, Ron
     and I were incredibly impressed with these young fellows and what
     they'd accomplished to be able to come to the United States to compete
     in this international competition.

     We discussed the job of Z1C, the never-ending netmail in my netmail
     folder, and how I managed to keep up with it - we discussed how points
     were so popular in Russia, and how I had always envied the number of
     points in Zone 2. Unfortuntely, it's something that never took off in
     North America the way it has in Europe, though as I said, I did have a
     number of them in the past, and still do to this day.

     We talked about my bbs system, and I was happy to show them BBBS with
     it's land-line modem, telnet and www interface.  We also discussed
     Policy 4, and I was most interested to hear their feelings regarding
     that, and I was really not so surprised that they're feelings about
     that were not very different from my own.

     As I showed them my linux box, I was really happy to hear that one of
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     them also had been playing with linux at home.. I gave a few tips to
     them, with a promise to continue to help if needed in e-mail.  We
     happily swapped e-mail addresses then and since last May, I have been
     in contact with at least two of my visitors, Anatoly and most recently
     Svjatoslav, who sent me the photograph and who still logs onto my
     system to play a few doors <smile>.

     We had some funny moments.. at one point I remember Anatoly writing
     out his last name and asking me to pronounce it.. well, as you can
     imagine, I didn't come close (laugh)..  I can totally relate to having
     a last name that is pronounced other than the way it looks.. my
     married name, Kracht, is pronounced "Krats" by Ron's family - even
     though it is a dutch name, and should be pronounced Kraahkt (this told
     to me by _several_ po'd dutch nurses when I was in the hospital, when
     they heard the way Ron's family pronounced it <laugh>).

     We talked for a few hours that day, and I knew as 9pm drew close that
     they'd have to return to the hotel .. The competition winners would be
     announced the next day, and they needed to be ready for that.  Anatoly
     told me that first, he had some gifts that they had brought with them
     for me, and I was totally amazed at that.  They had brought me a very
     old Russian coin, a key ring with pictures from St. Petersburg on it,
     and a pin that had their fidonet Net number, 2:5030, engraved on it. I
     was almost in tears at the thoughtfulness of these guys. I keep these
     remembrances of our visit next to me on my desk, right alongside my
     keyboard so that I think of our visit whenever I log on to my system.
     I still hope that someday they will be able to return to United States
     for another visit, or that I will be able to visit them in St.
     Petersburg.

     They promised to call me the next evening when all was done so that
     I'd know how they made out in the competition, we got ready to drive
     them back to their hotel.

     If you've got a browser, you can see the picture that Ron took of us
     in front of Louisville's Galt House Hotel when we were all saying our
     goodbyes:

     <http://www.filegate.net/janis.jpg/ Mikhail Andreevich Berlin, Janis,
     Anatoly Burov, and Lisin Svjatoslav Evgenjevich

     Our visit ended at The Galt House Hotel in downtown Louisville - Here
     we are just before the guys retired for the night, awaiting the
     contest results the next day.  Ron was kind enough to take the picture
     :) As you can see, my jeans LOOK like I'd been packing things with
     newspaper print :) With most of my clothes packed already, I was lucky
     to find a clean shirt for our meeting!

     The next day I got a phone call from my new Russian friends, and was
     really happy to hear that Anatoly had taken 3rd place in the category
     for his his project. That meant, he excitedly told me, that he'd be
     getting about $5,000 in prize money towards college. Mikail also
     placed in the contest and would be receiving a comparable amount.
     Though Svjatoslav hadn't placed, they told me that no doubt the three
     of them would now be famous in Russia because they had come to the
     United States, and had sat down with and talked with the Z1C :)  I do
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     hope they are able to return here someday!

     For now, the three of them are enrolled in College in St. Peterburg
     and in e-mail, they told me they had to get haircuts for gym class
     (there are worse things in life, I told them :) ). I expect great
     things to come from these three fellows and I am proud and happy to
     have met them!

     BTW, The Iraqi/US war doesn't change my opinion of the people and
     SysOps of the world, certainly people like Anatoly, Svjatoslav and
     Mikail. Thanks to the three of them for allowing me to know them, and
     to know more closely the people of Russia. I send them my best wishes
     of luck to them, in everything they desire to accomplish.


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                               We Have Rights....
                                 By Frank Vest
                                  1:124/6308.1

     In reading the Fidonews Publication and from some news hype plus some
     internet forums, I've become convinced that many Americans and a lot
     of others do not understand the rights that Americans have. This seems
     most noticeable in protests. With this in mind, I wrote the following
     in an internet message forum. If you see it there, and was wondering,
     now you know who wrote it. BTW, I posted it under the name of
     "Justavoice". :-)

     The "inspiration", if you want to call it that, was from a "Bill of
     No-Rights" that I read several years ago. A Google search should turn
     up some links if you are interested.

                                   Protesting

     We see a lot about protesting and protesters. What the heck does
     protesting mean? To me, protesting is a verbal complaint by a person
     or group of people about something.

     In the U.S.A. we have the right to protest. What does that mean?... It
     means that we can voice our complaint. We can do so in public,
     private, in groups or as one person.

     I believe that many in the USA do not understand this right that we
     have. I also believe that very few in other countries understand this
     right. The common thought is that Americans have the right to protest
     any way and by any means that they wish. That is far from true. Allow
     me to put forth some thoughts on protesting in hopes that those in
     other countries and in the USA that don't understand this right may
     learn.

     The rights:

     Yes, my friends, you have the right to purchase hammer, nails,
     markers, sticks and other material to make signs for your protest.
     Yes, you have the right to take those signs and the flag that you
     bought to the protest sight and stage your protest. You have the right
     to carry those signs and burn that flag if you desire.

     Others have the right to buy material and flags and march in protest
     of your protest. They can wave their flag and chant as well.

     The no rights:

     No, my friends, you don't have the right to take the flag from the
     flag pole at the protest site or from other protesters and burn it.
     That is theft and against the law. No, you don't have the right to
     take the hammers that you used to build your signs and destroy public
     or private property. That is vandalism and is also against the law.
     No, you don't have the right to use the signs, hammers and other
     things to attack the protesters that are protesting your protest. That
     is assault and is against the law too.

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     So, you see, you do have rights, but not to the extent that many seem
     to believe.

     Oh yeah, you don't have the right to protest anywhere you want.
     Private property and some public areas may not allow protesting. You
     should check with the people in charge of the area prior to your
     protest. Should you fail to get permission, the police, or other
     agencies, have the right to ask you to leave. Should you refuse to
     leave when asked, these agencies have the right to have you arrested.
     Remember, these places and people have the same rights, and no rights,
     as you.

     If you have read this carefully, you might begin to realize something.
     Protesting and war are closely related. A group can protest and that
     is fine. When the group uses violence, it become a fight. If the
     violence grows, it can easily become a war.


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                      OL'WDB'S COLUMN - WARREN BONNER
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                           HOW WE TREAT PEOPLE
                           wdbonner@pacbell.net

     Five lessons to make you think about the way we treat people.

     1. First Important Lesson - Cleaning Lady. During my second month of
     college, our professor gave us a pop quiz. I was a conscientious
     student and had breezed through the questions, until I read the last
     one: "What is the first name of the woman who cleans the school?"

     Surely this was some kind of joke. I had seen the cleaning woman
     several times. She was tall, dark-haired and in her 50s, but how would
     I know her name? I handed in my paper, leaving the last question
     blank. Just before class ended, one student asked if the last question
     would count toward our quiz grade.

     "Absolutely," said the professor. "In your careers, you will meet many
     people. All are significant. They deserve your attention and are, even
     if all you do is smile and say "hello" I've never forgotten that
     lesson. I also learned her name was Dorothy.

     2. Second Important Lesson - Pickup in the Rain One night, at 11:30
     p.m., an older African American woman as standing on the side of an
     Alabama highway trying to endure a lashing rainstorm. Her car had
     broken down and she desperately needed a ride. Soaking wet, she
     decided to flag down the next car. A young white man stopped to help
     her, generally unheard of in those conflict-filled 1960s. The man took
     her to safety, helped her get assistance and put her into a taxicab.
     She seemed to be in a big hurry, but wrote down his address and
     thanked him.

     Seven days went by and a knock came on the man's door. To his
     surprise, a giant console color TV was delivered to his home. A
     special note was attached. It read: "Thank you so much for assisting
     me on the highway the other night.  The rain drenched not only my
     clothes, but also my spirits.  Then you came along. Because of you, I
     was able to make it to my dying husband's bedside just before he
     passed away. God bless you for helping me and unselfishly serving
     others, Sincerely, Mrs. Nat King Cole.

     3. Third Important Lesson - Always remember those who serve. In the
     days when an ice cream sundae cost much less, a Ten year-old boy
     entered a hotel coffee shop and sat at a table.  A waitress put a
     glass of water in front of him. "How much is an ice cream sundae?" he
     asked. "Fifty cents," replied the waitress. The little boy pulled his
     hand out of his pocket and studied the coins in it.

     "Well, how much is a plain dish of ice cream?" he inquired.  By now
     more people were waiting for a table and the waitress was growing
     impatient. "Thirty-five cents," she brusquely replied.

     The little boy again counted his coins. "I'll have the plain ice
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     cream," he said. The waitress brought the ice cream, put the bill on
     the table and walked away. The boy finished the ice cream, paid the
     cashier and left.

     When the waitress came back, she began to cry as she wiped down the
     table. There, placed neatly beside the empty dish, were two nickels
     and five pennies. You see, he couldn't have the sundae, because he had
     to have enough left to leave her a tip.

     4. Fourth Important Lesson - The Obstacles in Our Path. In ancient
     times, a King had a boulder placed on a roadway. Then he hid himself
     and watched to see if anyone would remove the huge rock. Some of the
     king's wealthiest merchants and courtiers came by and simply walked
     around it. Many loudly blamed the King for not keeping the roads
     clear, but none did anything about getting the stone out of the way.

     Then a peasant came along carrying a load of vegetables.  Upon
     approaching the boulder, the peasant laid down his burden and tried to
     move the stone to the side of the road. After much pushing and
     straining, he finally succeeded. After the peasant picked up his load
     of vegetables, he noticed a purse lying in the road where the boulder
     had been. The purse contained many gold coins and a note from the King
     indicating that the gold was for the person who removed the boulder
     from the roadway.

     The peasant learned what many of us never understand! Every obstacle
     presents an opportunity to improve our condition.

     5. Fifth Important Lesson - Giving When it Counts. Many years ago,
     when I worked as a volunteer at a hospital, I got to know a little
     girl named Liz who was suffering from a rare & serious disease. Her
     only chance of recovery appeared to be a blood transfusion from her
     5-year-old brother, who had miraculously survived the same disease and
     had developed the antibodies needed to combat the illness. The doctor
     explained the situation to her little brother, and asked the little
     boy if he would be willing to give his blood to his sister.

     I saw him hesitate for only a moment before taking a deep breath and
     saying, "Yes I'll do it if it will save her." As the transfusion
     progressed, he lay in bed next to his sister and smiled, as we all
     did, seeing the color returning to her cheeks. Then his face grew pale
     and his smile faded. He looked up at the doctor and asked with a
     trembling voice, "Will I start to die right away?"

     Being young, the little boy had misunderstood the doctor; he thought
     he was going to have to give his sister all of his blood in order to
     save her.

     BONUS: I hope that you will choose to remember, "Work like you don't
     need the money, love like you've never been hurt, and dance like you
     do when nobody's watching."  8^))

     Ol'wdb


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                    Donations needed for SysOp!
             Janis Kracht 1:261/38 (janis@filegate.net)

     You may remember Sean Rima's bbs, TCOB1, who's add is below.

     Friday night, April 16th, 2003, there was a fire in his home in
     Ireland. Sean, his wife, and 5 children all escaped without injury,
     and I'm really glad for that! The big problem now though, is there was
     no house insurance on Sean's home, and major work must be done on it
     to make it habitable again.

     A number of SysOps were discussing these sad events, and so we've
     decided to start a fund for Sean to help him out.  Since the house had
     no insurance I'm hoping that we can help him, even if just a little.

     Many of you may know Sean because of the work he does sending out
     files in Fidonet and in other distribution networks.  He has in the
     past several years voluntarily done this with file echos such as the
     R50 file echos (gss, binkd, tornado, argus, and more), as well as
     sending out some in the PDNUNIX file echo, and UTILLNX file echo.

     If you can help (and no donation is too small!), there are a few ways
     that you can send a donation:

     Mail it to me, at the address below: Janis Kracht
     121 Main Street,
     Windsor, NY 13865

     Mail it to Sean, send me an e-mail at janis@filegate.net and I'll be
     happy to send Sean's mailing address.

     Send it to my paypay account, send me an e-mail at janis@filegate.net
     and I'll send you the details.

     Thanks,
     Janis Kracht
     Zone 1 Coordintor
     International Coordinator
     IFDC FileGate Project (service mark)

     Sean Rima wrote:
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                        FRANK'S COLUMN - FRANK VEST
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                                A Wondrous Time
                                 By Frank Vest
                                  1:124/6308.1


      We're now in the year 2003. I really doesn't seem that long ago that
     we were celebrating the turn of the century and the end of a
     millennium.... I suppose it wasn't that long ago. I'll not argue over
     when each really ended or began. The scholars can figure that one out.
     :-)

      A few years ago, I had the pleasure of working in a facility for
     "old" people. In America, we call it a "nursing home". The people that
     are residents there are some of the most amazing people you could ever
     meet. They have knowledge and experiences that span decades... in some
     cases, a whole century.

      When I started my job there, as a janitor, one lady was over 100
     years old. She passed away just before I left the job. No, I didn't
     really get to know her and this isn't about her. It's just that I have
     thought many times about what experiences she must have had and the
     things she had seen. Being born in the late 1800's, she witnessed the
     turn of a century and almost a millennium. She lived through several
     wars, the centennial of the U.S.A and many other things that we can
     only read about in history books. What a wondrous thing!

      In thinking about this, I realized that it will be some 900 years
     before another generation will even be able to think of witnessing the
     end of a millennium. I wonder what that generation will have to say
     about the centuries in this millennium and the people that made it?

      No, there is no real point to this little article and nothing
     political or agenda'ed intended. Just a thought in my head of the
     wondrous things that might happen in this millennium... if we let it
     happen.

     With kind regards to all,

     Frank

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                           CLEAN HUMOUR & JOKES
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                                  ARTHRITIS
                         wdbonner@pacbell.net

     A drunk man who smelled like beer sat down on a subway seat next to a
     priest. The man's tie was stained, his face was plastered with red
     lipstick, and a half empty bottle of gin was sticking out of his torn
     coat pocket. He opened his newspaper and began reading. After a few
     minutes the man turned to the priest and asked, " Say, Father, what
     causes arthritis?"

     "My Son, it's caused by loose living, being with cheap, wicked women,
     too much alcohol and a contempt for your fellow man, sleeping around
     with prostitutes and lack of  a  bath."

     "Well, I'll be damned," the drunk muttered, returning to his paper.

      The priest, thinking about what he had said, nudged the man and
     apologized. "I'm very sorry. I didn't mean to come on so strong. How
     long have you had arthritis?"

     "I don't have it, Father. I was just reading here that the Pope does"

                                  >>>>>><<<<<<<

      Just in case you've had a rough day, here's a stress management
     technique recommended in all the latest psychological texts. The funny
     thing is that it really works.

     1. Picture yourself near a stream.

     2. Birds are softly chirping in the cool mountain air.

     3. No one but you knows your secret place.

     4. You are in total seclusion from the hectic place called "the
     world."

     5. The soothing sound of a gentle waterfall fills the air with a
     cascade of serenity.

     6. The water is crystal clear.

     7. You can easily make out the face of the person you're holding
     underwater.

                              <<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>

                                  A Christian Puppy

     A Baptist couple decide that they want to get a dog. As they are
     walking down the street in town, they notice that a sign in the pet
     shop is advertising "Christian Puppies." Their interest piqued, they
     FIDONEWS 20-15               Page 14                  14 Apr 2003


     go inside.

     "How do you know they're Christian puppies?"

     "Watch," says the owner, as he takes one of the dogs and says, "Fetch
     the Bible." The dog runs over to the desk, and grabs the Bible in its
     mouth and returns. Putting the Bible on the floor, the owner says,
     "Find Psalm 23." The dog flips pages with its paw until he reaches the
     right page, and then stops. Amazed and delighted, the couple purchase
     the dog and head home.

     That evening, they invite some friends over and show them the dog,
     having him run through his Psalm 23 routine. Impressed, one of the
     visitors asks "Does he also know 'regular' commands?"

     "Gee, we don't know. We didn't ask," replies the husband.

     8^))
     Ol'wdb

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                        Kipling teaches Bush

     ----[ POL_INC ]-----------------------
     On: Fri 11 Apr 2003  6.19
     By: Mimi Gallandt
     --------------------------------------
     Lessons for Bush from Kipling
     By Janadas Devan


     'US SATELLITE surveillance is so sophisticated it can now provide
     transcripts of high-level meetings before they are held,' wrote New
     York Times columnist William Safire before going on to describe what
     British Prime Minister Tony Blair and United States President George
     W. Bush were likely to say to each other at their Belfast summit.

     Mr Safire, though, used a 'made in USA' receiver. Not surprisingly, he
     heard only the part of the conversation where a triumphant Mr Bush
     bested Mr Blair in argument, ending with this snatch:

     Mr Blair: Churchill did say, 'In war, resolution... In victory,
     magnanimity...'

     Mr Bush: And 'In peace, goodwill'. (At Blair's aghast expression...)
     Condoleezza briefed me on that one.

     Using a neutral receiver, here's the rest of the dialogue:

     Mr Blair: Did she also tell you Churchill got to Iraq long before we
     did? He was Colonial Secretary when Iraq became British after World
     War I. He couldn't wait to give it up.

     Mr Bush: What! Churchill give up? Why?

     Mr Blair: Because the cost, in blood and treasure, of holding the
     place was too high. We lost 33,000 men conquering it from the Turks.

     Mr Bush: We do these things better than you. We have only lost 150 so
     far, and Baghdad has already fallen.

     Mr Blair: Yes, you do. But in those days, we had the Gatling gun, and
     so did the Turks. We won chiefly because we had loads of Indian,
     Australian and Canadian troops for cannon fodder. But that's not the
     point. The point is we continued suffering casualties even after
     driving out the Turks. The locals turned on us.

     Mr Bush: But you came as conquerors. We come as liberators. You had
     Lawrence of Arabia, a blood-thirsty empire-builder. We have Wolfowitz
     of Arabia, a Vietnam-dodging champion of democracy.

     Mr Blair: Wolfowitz of Arabia in the service of Israel - that's what
     Arabs think, George. And guess what - they came to the same conclusion
     FIDONEWS 20-15               Page 16                  14 Apr 2003


     about us. Churchill told Parliament in 1921: We made pledges 'for the
     reconstitution of the Arab nation', and we also made pledges 'to
     establish a Jewish national home in Palestine'. He didn't realize it,
     but that was a recipe for disaster.

     Mr Bush: So we have you guys to thank for all this.

     Mr Blair: Yes. And that's precisely what I'm trying to tell you: We've
     been there, done that - and failed. We can teach you a thing or two
     about the bitter lessons of empire.

     Mr Bush: I'm all ears. Wolfowitz of Arabia is not here. Speak.

     Mr Blair: First, don't assume the burden of empire, if you can help
     it; and if you can't, don't assume it by yourself. That was our first
     mistake in Mesopotamia, as Iraq was then called. We stiffed the French
     and got the Iraqi mandate all to ourselves. Every problem became our
     responsibility. Shi'ites hated the Sunnis, the Sunnis hated the Kurds,
     the Kurds hated the Shi'ites, and everyone hated us.

     Two, turn the place over to the Iraqis as fast as possible, and get
     out. That was our second mistake. To provide a veneer of legitimacy
     for British rule, Churchill installed Faisal, the second son of Sharif
     Hussein of Mecca, as king. The chap had never laid eyes on Baghdad
     before. But we arranged for a referendum, got him a 96 per cent vote,
     and he ascended the throne. Predictably, our exercise in 'nation
     building' failed.

     Mr Bush: Ours won't. And we are not going to let the French muck it up
     for us. The United Nations telling us what to do? No way. We did Japan
     and Germany without the UN; we can do Iraq ourselves. You know what
     you'll get with a committee designing a horse? A camel! I won't have
     camels in Iraq. The UN can distribute food, it can provide health
     services, it can...

     Mr Blair: It can give money, George, filthy lucre. Occupying and
     reconstructing Iraq will cost you at least US$20 billion (S$35.7
     billion) a year. That assumes a force of only 75,000 troops - and no
     rebellions, no guerilla attacks, no suicide bombings. Your own army
     chief says you need 200,000 troops for peacekeeping. What's your
     fiscal deficit for 2003, George, even before accounting for these
     costs? US$400 billion, wasn't it?

     Mr Bush: We welcome international contributions. We spilt blood to
     liberate Iraq; others can cough up money for its reconstruction.

     Mr Blair: No taxation without representation; no international aid
     without international participation. And more important than all these
     is international cover.

     Mr Bush: I didn't need cover going in, why should I need cover to
     stay?

     Mr Blair: Because you don't want to own this problem yourself.
     Everything you set up in Iraq - interim authority, new constitution,
     new army - will be smeared by you, and therefore lack credibility in
     FIDONEWS 20-15               Page 17                  14 Apr 2003


     Arab eyes. If this is going to work, it must have the legitimacy which
     only the UN can confer. You have the legitimacy of force; that is not
     the same as the legitimacy of right. You get the UN in, all Arabs,
     including Iraqis, will be convinced you've come to liberate, not
     conquer. Don't be fooled by Iraqi cheers. Lebanese cheered the
     invading Israelis too, before turning on them. You know Kipling?

     Mr Bush: Yah, ' White Man's burden'. Condoleezza briefed me on that
     too. But she told me to say 'Democracy's burden'.

     Mr Blair: Democracy shamocracy. Here's what Kipling said about the
     burden, the part that people forget:

     Take up the White Man's burden,
     Send forth the best ye breed,
     Go bind your sons to exile
     To serve your captives' need...
     Take up the White Man's burden
     And reap his old reward:
     The blame of those ye better,
     The hate of those ye guard.

     Mr Bush (alarmed): Condoleezza didn't tell me about that part.
     ('Condi...,' he screams.)

     L'Chaim
     Mimi


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                    -=:{ FIDONet Software Reference }:=-

         Type: M=Mailer  T=Tosser  B=BBS  D=Door  C=Comm/Terminal
               P=Points  E=Editor  I=Internet  U=Utility  ?=Info

     .- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -.
     |Software: Author     |Type |URL, Contact, Ver, Notes      Help Node|
     `- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -'

      Argus                |M    |http://www.ritlabs.com/argus/  2:469/84
                           |     | argus@ritlabs.com  Tel: 373-2-246889
                           |     | v3.210 on Mar 20th 2001

      BeeMail:             |M    |http://beemail.gexonline.net   1:105/10
       Stephen Proffit     |     | beemail@gexonline.net

      BinkleyTerm XE       |M    |http://btxe.sourceforge.net     1:1/102
                           |     | v2.60XE/Gamma-6 on Nov 11th 1998

      BinkD                |MI   |http://2f.ru/binkd/
                           |     | maloff@corbina.net
                           |     | v0.94 on Jul 24th 2000

      Fidonet to Internet: |MI   |http://www.terminate.com
       Bo Bendtsen         |     | sales@terminate.com
                           |     | v2.00 on Mar23rd 1997

      FrontDoor, FD/APX:   |MTPC |http://www.defsol.se          2:201/330
       Definite Solutions  |     | sales@defsol.se                1:1/101
                           |     | v2.26SW & v2.33ml FD, v1.15 APX

      Husky Project        |MTPUI|http://husky.sf.net
                           |     | v1.2.4 on Apr 3rd 2003

      InterMail, InterEcho |MT   |http://www.ifido.com            1:1/133
                           |     | bob@nwstar.com
                           |     | v2.50 IM, v1.19 IE

      Radius (based on     |M    |http://fido5012.narod.ru/     2:5012/38
               Argus)      |     | fido5012@zaural.net Tel: 7-3522-469463
                           |     | v4.009 on Jan 2nd 2003

      Terminate            |MBP  |http://www.terminate.com
                           |     | v5.00 on Aug 7th 1997

      Tmail                |MI   |http://www.tmail.spb.ru  v2608

      WildCat! Interactive |MTBEI|http://www.santronics.com
       Net Server, Platinum|     | sales@santronics.com
       Xpress: Santronics  |     | Tel: (305) 248-3204
       Software, Inc.      |     | AUP 450.2 on Jul 9th 2002
     +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+
     FIDONEWS 20-15               Page 19                  14 Apr 2003


      Fidogate             |TUI  |http://www.fidogate.org
                           |     | Martin_Junius@m-j-s.net  v4.4.4

      FMail                |T    |http://fmail.nl.eu.org       2:280/1076
                           |     | wijnstra@fmail.nl.eu.org  v1.60

      JetMail: JetSys      |TU   |http://www.jetsys.de  js@jetsys.de
       (ATARI ST only)     |     | v1.01 on Jan 1st 2000

      Squish               |T    |http://www.lanius.com
                           |     | sales@lanius.com  v1.11
                           |     |http://www.vector11.com/maximus/

      Synchronet BBS       |TB   |http://www.synchro.net
                           |     | sysop(at)vert(dot)synchro(dot)net
                           |     | v3.10L Beta

      Watergate            |TUI  |http://www2.sbbs.se/hp/ramon/
                           |     | ramon@sbbs.se
                           |     | v0.93p9 on Dec 14th 1998
     +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+

      BBBS                 |BI   |http://www.bbbs.net  b@bbbs.net
                           |     | v4.00MP on Oct 25th 1999      2:22/222

      ELEBBS: The Elevator |B    |http://www.elebbs.com
       Software Production |     | elebbs@elebbs.com
                           |     | v0.10.RC1 on Jun 9th 2002

      Falken BBS           |B    |http://falkenbbs.com
                           |     | v12.0 on Feb 2nd 2002

      Hermes II Project    |B    |http://www.hermesii.org
                           |     | info@HermesII.org  v3.5.9 Beta Final

      Maximus BBS          |B    |http://www.lanius.com
                           |     | sales@lanius.com  v3.01
                           |     |http://www.vector11.com/maximus/

      MBSE BBS:            |BI   |http://mbse.sourceforge.net  2:280/2802
       Michiel Broek       |     | mbroek@users.sourceforge.net
                           |     | v0.33.21 on Jun 4th 2002

      Mystic BBS           |B    |http://www.mysticbbs.com
                           |     | v1.07.3 on May 13th 2001

      Nexus BBS            |B    |http://www.nexusbbs.net
                           |     | groberts@nexusbbs.net
                           |     | v0.99.41.001 beta on Jun 10th 2001

      Proboard BBS         |B    |http://www.proboard.be
                           |     | v2.17 on Jun 9th 2002

      RemoteAccess BBS:    |B    |http://www.rapro.com            1:1/120
       Bruce Morse         |     | bfmorse@rapro.com
                           |     | v2.62.2SW
     FIDONEWS 20-15               Page 20                  14 Apr 2003


      Spitfire BBS: Buffalo|B    |http://www.angelfire.com/ia/buffalo/
       Creek Software      |     | MDWoltz@aol.com                1:1/150
                           |     | v3.6 on Aug 20th 1999

      Telegard BBS         |B    |http://www.telegard.net
                           |     | support@telegard.net
                           |     | v3.09g2 SP4
     +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+

      Atlantis Software    |D    |http://www.jimmyrose.com/atlantis/
                           |     | last update: Jun 2002

      BBS Central          |D    |http://www.rpcomputers.com

      Bentstone            |D    |http://www.srupc.com/mall
       Capabilities Group  |     | info@stonebenders.com

      Cheepware:           |D    |http://www.midnightshour.org/cheepware/
       Sean Dennis         |     | hausmaus@midnightshour.org    1:11/200

      DDS (Doorware        |D    |http://www.doorgames.org     1:2404/201
       Distribution System)|     | ruth@doorgames.org
       Ruth Argust         |     |

      DoorMUD              |D    |http://www.dmud.thebbs.org
                           |     | v0.98 Jun 1st 2002

      Elysium Software     |D    |http://www.elysoft.com
                           |     | mpreslar@mailcity.com

      Jibben Software      |D    |http://www.jibbensoftware.com
                           |     | scott@jibben.com
                           |     | 1995-99 Release dates

      JNS Software:        |D    |http://www.geocities.com/jnssoftware/
       Rusty Johnson       |     | rustyjohnson57@hotmail.com
                           |     | Tel: (304) 733-0113

      John Dailey Software |D    |http://www.johndaileysoftware.com
                           |     | support@johndaileysoftware.com

      LORD (Legend of the  |D    |http://www.lordlegacy.org
       Red Dragon) Reborn  |     | mike@lordlegacy.org
                           |     | v4.06 on Feb 5th 2001

      Lord-II IGMs         |D    |http://www.shelby.net/wizards/lord2igm/

      PC Pursuits          |D    |http://www.pcpursuits.com
                           |     | brucep@pop.kis.net
                           |     | Tel: (301) 240-6653

      Shining Star         |D    |http://www.shiningstar.net/bbsdoors/
                           |     | nannette@shiningstar.net

      Sunrise Doors:       |D    |http://www.sunrisedoors.com
       Al Lawrence         |     | al@sunrisedoors.com
     FIDONEWS 20-15               Page 21                  14 Apr 2003


                           |     | Tel: (404) 256-9518

      The Brainex System   |D    |http://www.brainex.com/brainex_system/
                           |     | stanley@brainex.com  1994-99 Releases

      Trade Wars           |D    |http://www.eisonline.com/tradewars/
                           |     | jpritch@eisonline.com
                           |     | v3.09 (DOS-32) in 2002

      Vagabond Software:   |D    |http://www.vbsoft.org        1:124/7013
       Bryan Turner        |     | vagabond@vbsoft.org
                           |     | last update: Jul 17th 2002

      (various)            |D    |http://www.webnexus.com/users/etow/
     +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+

      APoint               |PI   |http://www.apoint-mail.de
                           |     | dirk.pokorny@apoint-mail.de
                           |     | v1.25                   2:2426/1210.13

      OpenXP/32            |PI   |http://www.openxp.com        2:248/2004
                           |     | mk@openxp.de  v3.8.7 beta Aug 3rd 2002
      OpenXP/16            |P    |http://www.openxp16.de       2:2433/460
                           |     | my@openxp16.de v3.40 RC3 Apr 28th 2002
      CrossPoint (XP)      |P    |http://www.crosspoint.de
                           |     | pm@crosspoint.de  v3.12d Dec 22nd 1999

      PPoint               |P    |http://www.alcuf.ca           1:249/114
                           |     | v3.04 on Jan 10th 2000
     +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+

      GoldEd+              |E    |http://mik.nu/golded-plus/   2:203/6600
                           |     | v1.1.5 Snapshot on Feb 28th 2003

      SqEd32               |E    |http://www.sqed.de
                           |     | v1.15 on Dec 15th 1999

      TimEd                |E    |http://blizzard.dnsalias.org/fidonet
                           |     | mail@ozzmosis.com            /timed
                           |     | v1.11.a5 in March 2003       3:633/267
     +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+

      Allfix               |U    |ftp://ftp.nwstar.com           1:140/12
                           |     | bob@nwstar.com
                           |     | v5.13 (v6?)

      GiGo                 |UI   |http://www.gigo.com
                           |     | v0109 on Jan 9th 1997

      Internet Rex:        |UI   |http://members.shaw.ca/InternetRex/
       Charles Cruden      |     | telnet://xanadubbs.ca        1:342/806
       (Khan Software)     |     | v2.29 on Oct 21st 2001

      PeopleComm Terminal  |CUI  |http://www.peoplecomm.org     1:128/148
       (BBS & Telnet w/    |     | edward.williams@adelphia.net
        ZModem)            |     | v1.01a on Feb 11th 2003
     FIDONEWS 20-15               Page 22                  14 Apr 2003


      TransNet             |UI   |http://www.ressl.com.ar/transnet/
                           |     | transnet@ressl.com.ar
                           |     | v2.11 on Jul 18th 1998

      TransX: Multiboard   |UI   |http://www.multiboard.com/software/
       Communications, Inc.|     | support@multiboard.com      1:2401/305
                           |     | v3.5
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      National BBS List    |?    | http://www.usbbs.org

      Hispanic FIDO/BBS's  |?    | http://www.conecta2.org/pucela_bbs/
       (in Spanish only)   |     |  (Extensive software & BBS Listings)
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      File Archives: http://archives.thebbs.org  http://www.filegate.org
       http://sysopscorner.thebbs.org                http://www.juge.com
       http://www.dmine.com/bbscorner/             http://garbo.uwasa.fi
       http://www.simtel.net                  http://wuarchive.wustl.edu

      Note: most also provide FTP access (use ftp:// vice http:// above)

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      Magic FReq: FIDOSOFT     (Use INFO and/or HELP for details)

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      106/2000  | Bob Juge        | BinkP VMoT FTP TX| ???   | n/c
      106/6018  | Lawrence Garvin   | FTP, VMoT      | aDSL,60| n/c
      107/453   | Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo.
      134/11    | Michael Grant  | FTP, BinkP, VMoT UUE, IFCICO,TransX
                                                    aDSL, 60 | n/c
      138/146   | Marc Blakely      | BinkP,FTP      | ???   | n/c
      140/1     | Bob Seaborn       | FTP,BinkP      | T3,30 | $5/$16
      142/906   | Chris Griffin     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      150/220   | Dave Nemeth       | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      153/7715  | Dallas Hinton     | BinkD, FTP     | CABLE | ???
      167/133   | Stephen Monteith  | BinkP          | 128k+ | n/c
      167/166   | Jesse Dooling     | POP? UUE TX FTP| ???   | n/c
      218/109   | Matt Munson       | BinkP,UUE,TX   | 33.6k | n/c
      220/10    | groberts|nexusbbs.net |BinkP,FTP,UUE|1.5M+ | n/c
     FIDONEWS 20-15               Page 25                  14 Apr 2003


      229/1     | Phil Simpson      | BinkP UUE FTP  | ???   | n/c
      229/2000  | Robert Couture    |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ???   |
      229/622   | Dave Hamilton     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      250/98    | Darin McBride     | BinkP FTP TX   | ???   | n/c
      250/99    | Brent McLaren     | FTP BinkP      | ???   | n/c
      250/102   | Darin McBride     | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
      267/169   | Philip Lozier     | FTP TX         | ???   | n/c
      261/1380  | Joe Davis         | UUE TX         | ???   | n/c
      275/311   | Shannon Talley|FTP,BinkP,FTP,VMoT,QWK| T1  |n/c
      280/169   | Brian Greenstreet | FTP            | 33.6  | $2mo.
      297/11    | Michael McCabe    | TX             | ???   | n/c
      323/120   | Craig Healy       | VMoT FTP       | ???   | n/c
      342/3     | Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP      | 128K+ | n/c
      379/1     | Dale Ross         | FTP, BinkP,UUE | 256K+,! n/c
      379/1200  | Chris Cranford    | BinkP FTP TX   | ???   | n/c
      393/68    | Ben Ritchey       | UUE:BFDS?      | 33.6k | n/c
      396/45    | Marc Lewis        |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ADSL  | n/c
     2215/300   | Dennis Haddox     | UUE,TX         | CABLE | n/c
     2320/38    | Janis Kracht      | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
     2410/400   | Gary Gilmore      | FTP BinkP      | 384K,60| n/c
     2410/213   | Kevin Bentz       | FTP, BinkP, UUE| Cable | n/c
     2604/104   | Jim Mclaughlin    | FTP,VMoT,UUE   | 33.6  | $1mo
     2624/306   | David Calafrancesco  | VMoT        | 33.6  | n/c
     3613/1275  | @ jyates@bsdi.ldl.net | UUE,FTP    | 28.8  | n/c
     3407/4     | Robert Todd    |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
     3632/84    | Robert Todd    |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
     3634/12    | Mark Lewis         |FTP,VMoT,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
     3830/5     | Jeff Schrunk      |BinkP FTP TX UUE| ???   | n/c
     3830/9     | Steve Quarrella   |BinkP FTP IFCICO VMoT UUE|?|?
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 2     |
       20/11    | Henrik Lindhe     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       22/222   | Kim Heino         | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       28/1     | Lody Caenen       | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
       31/1     | Gabriel Plutzar   | BinkP          | T1+   | n/c
       37/37    | Gabor Z. Papp     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       47/999   | Andrej Kirejev    | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
       53/558   |Vladimir Hrusca|POP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP,ifcico|2mbs|??
      201/329   | Mats Wallin       | VMoT TX        | ???   | n/c
      201/505   | Gran Eriksson    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      203/600   | Mikael Karlsson   |BinkP,FTP,TX,UUE| 512k  | n/c
      211/37    | Torbjorn Mohn     | BinkP          | 8/2mb | n/c
      221/360   | Tommi Koivula     | BinkP,UUE      | ???   | n/c
      236/205   | Michael Kaaber    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      240/6298  | Steve Tell        | BinkP UUE      | ???   | n/c
      246/2098  | Volker Imre       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      252/110   | David Rance       | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      255/90    | Simon Avery       | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      263/950   | Sean Rima         | TX UUE         | ???   | n/c
      280/1027  | Lukas de Groen    | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
      280/1601  | Jeroen VanDeLeur  | FTP,UUE        | 64k   | n/c
      280/4312  | Jos Huijnen   | BinkP ifcico UUE TX| ???   | n/c
      280/5003  | Kees van Eeten    | BinkP ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      292/624   | Steven Leeman     | UUE, BinkP     | 128k  | n/c
      292/854   | Ward Dossche      | BinkP UUE TX   | 3mb   | n/c
      292/2003  | Eric Vaneberck    | BinkP          | 768k  | n/c
     FIDONEWS 20-15               Page 26                  14 Apr 2003


      301/1     | Peter Witschi     | BinkP          | 768k  | n/c
      332/807   | Roberto Mascolo   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      333/0     | M Gianformaggio   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      335/534   | Mario Mure        | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k   | n/c
      335/610   | Gino Lucrezi      | UUE            | 33.6  | n/c
      341/14    | Rafael Suarez     | BinkP VMoT     | ???   | n/c
      341/51    | Jose.Maria Tejada | VMoT           |       |
      341/66    | Angel Ripoll      | BinkP, ifcico  |       |
      343/168   | Jose Casanova     | VMoT, BinkP    |       |
      344/201   | Julio Garcia      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      345/432   | Pablo Romano      | VMoT           |       |
      347/1     | Javi Polo         | UUE            |       |
      348/105   | Alejandro Estraviz| BinkP UUE      |       |
      348/609   | Redy Rodriguez    |BinkP,ifcico,UUE|       |
      382/100   | Sinisa Burina     | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      400/555   | Ofir Michaeli     | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      400/557   | Marius Kaizerman  | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      423/81    | Milos Bajer       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      461/256   | Andrew Rutkas     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      461/640   | Alex Semenyaka    |BinkP ifcico UUE| ???   | n/c
      465/204   | Va Milushnikov    | BinkP          | 33.6k | n/c
      469/84    | Max Masyutin      | VMoT           | 256k  | n/c
      469/128   | Oleg Vasenyoff    | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      480/112   | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k  | n/c
      550/4077  | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE            | ----- | n/c
     2410/201   | Karsten Ebeling   | BinkP UUE      | ???   | n/c
     2411/413   | Dennis Dittrich   | UUE,BinkP      | 64k   | n/c
     2432/200   | Sven Dueker       | BinkP TX UUE   | ???   | n/c
     2446/301   | Lothar Behet  | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K   | n/c
     2474/275   | Christian Emig    | UUE            | 64k   | unkn
     2487/3000  | Steffen Gross     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      2800/14   | Aleksandr Galiyev | BinkP,ifcico,VMoT| T1  | n/c
     5002/5002  | Victor Belyakov   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5014/4     | Alex Bagmanov     | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5020/52    | Peter Didenko     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5020/54    | Serge Wizgounoff  | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5020/69    | B Chernivetsky    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5020/238   | Sergey Gubanov    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5030/115   | Andrey Podkolzin  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5030/1251  | K Stepanekov      | UUE            | ???   | n/c
     5100/8     | Egons Bush        | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5020/1159  | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE          | 33.6  | n/c
     5049/12    | Amir Shabashvili  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5054/3     | Andrew Popov      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5080/80    | Eugene Zorin      | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5083/21    | Alexander Uskov   | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5090/2     | Andrew Titov      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5100/8     | Egons Bush        | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 3
      633/260   | Malcolm Miles     | FTP,BinkP      | 64K   | n/c
      640/954   | Rick Van Ruth     | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c
      712/311   | Bob James         | TX             | ???   | n/c
      774/605   | Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 4
     FIDONEWS 20-15               Page 27                  14 Apr 2003


      801/161   | Renato Zambon     | UUE            | 33.6  | n/c
      902/18    | Javier Tejedor    | UUE            | 33,6  | n/c
      905/101   | Ariel Nardelli    | Binkp          |       |
      930/1     | David Gonzalez    | Binkp          |       |
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 6
       65/3000  | Lawrence Fan      | UUE            | 33600 | free
      653/1009  | Maorong Chen      | UUE            | ???   | free
      654/0     | Bin Li            | UUE,BinkP      | 33600 | free
      654/1501  | Lawrence Fan      | UUE,BinkP      | 28800 | free

     --
     * FTP    = Internet File Transfer Protocol
     * VMoT   = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
     * UUE    = uuencode<->email type transfers
     * BinkP  = front end mailer for TCPIP networks
     * TX     = TransX
     * NFS    = Linux Networking
     * ifcico = ifcico-compatible virtual mailer
     * QWK    = Quick Packets/Offline mailer "networking" capable
     ----------------------------------------------
     Fidonet oriented news servers

     nntp://news.fidotel.com (provides user access to Z1B & WWB)
     nntp://news.osirusoft.com
     news.tardis.net
     nntp://fido.bitsoft.ro
     nntp://bbs.bitsoft.ro
     news.rafastd.org
     nntp://ficbbs.org:999

     Fidonet oriented chat rooms.
     room #fidonet  5PM (PDT 11AM GMT) Sundays
     irc.osirusoft.com  (Peers wanted)
     irc.sinoptix.ro : malay, chinesse, english, #fido, #fidonet, #wwb
     irc.bitsoft.ro : 6667 russian, english, hebrew, #fido, #wwb
     irc.tsua.net : 6668 russian, english #fido


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                             SPECIAL INTEREST
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                         Nodelist Stats

      Input nodelist  nodelist.101
                size  991.6kb
                date  2003-04-11

      The nodelist has   8743 nodes in it
        and a total of  11475 non-comment entries

              including     6 zones
                           59 regions
                          442 hosts
                          600 hubs
         admin overhead  1107 ( 12.66 %)

                    and   987 private nodes
                          289 nodes down
                          349 nodes on hold
      off line overhead  1625 ( 18.59 %)


      Speed summary:

               >9600 =    675 (  7.72 %)
                9600 =   7626 ( 87.22 %)
                              (HST  =  164 or   2.15 %)
                              (CSP  =    1 or   0.01 %)
                              (PEP  =   11 or   0.14 %)
                              (MAX  =    0 or   0.00 %)
                              (HAY  =    1 or   0.01 %)
                              (V32  = 4111 or  53.91 %)
                              (V32B =  412 or   5.40 %)
                              (V34  = 5063 or  66.39 %)
                              (V42  = 4186 or  54.89 %)
                              (V42B =  436 or   5.72 %)
                2400 =     87 (  1.00 %)
                1200 =      6 (  0.07 %)
                 300 =    349 (  3.99 %)

                ISDN =    785 (  8.98 %)

     ----------------------------------------------------------
      File Req Flag   Applicable software     Number of systems
     ----------------------------------------------------------
      XA              Frontdoor <1.99b             2980
                      Frontdoor  2.02+
                      Dutchie 2.90c
                      Binkleyterm >2.1
                      D'Bridge <1.3
                      TIMS
                      Xenia
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      XB              Binkleyterm 2.0                 9
                      Dutchie 2.90b
     --------------------------------------
      XC              Opus 1.1                       11
     --------------------------------------
      XP              Seadog                          6
     --------------------------------------
      XR              Opus 1.03                      43
     --------------------------------------
      XW              Fido >12M                     342
                      Tabby
                      KittenMail
     --------------------------------------
      XX              D'Bridge 1.30                3944
                      Frontdoor 1.99b
                      Intermail 2.01
                      T-Mail
     --------------------------------------
      None            QMM                          1408
     --------------------------------------

      CrashMail capable =   2694 ( 30.81 %)
      MailOnly nodes    =   4829 ( 55.23 %)
      Listed-only nodes =    693 (  7.93 %)
      Other             =    527 (  6.03 %)

      [Report produced by NETSTATS - A PD pgm available from 1:106/100]
      [                                 Revised by B Felten, 2:203/208]

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