     The  F I D O N E W S      Volume 19, Number 30             29 Jul 2002 
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            Copyright 2002 by Fidonews Editor for Fidonews Globally.


                        Table of Contents
     1. FOOD FOR THOUGHT  .........................................  1
     2. INSIDE  ...................................................  2
        The Fidonews at a Glance  .................................  2
     3. FIDONET WEB PAGE REVIEWS  .................................  3
        More Web Pages from the Web-Idiot  ........................  3
     4. FIDONET NOTICES  ..........................................  5
        New Nodelist Format?  .....................................  5
     5. FIDONET'S INTERNATIONAL KITCHEN  ..........................  6
        Leeky Crockpot  ...........................................  6
     6. CLEAN HUMOUR & JOKES  .....................................  7
        What History Doesn't Tell Us  .............................  7
        The Donkey  ...............................................  8
     7. TODD COCHRANE'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING  .................  9
        Fidonet Software List  ....................................  9
     8. FIDONET BY INTERNET  ...................................... 13
        Fidonet-related Sites  .................................... 13
     9. SPECIAL INTEREST  ......................................... 18
        Nodelist Stats  ........................................... 18
     10. FIDONEWS INFORMATION  .................................... 20
        How to Submit an Article  ................................. 20
        Credits, Legal Infomation, Availability  .................. 22
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                             FOOD FOR THOUGHT
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     Do not condemn the judgment of another because it differs from your
     own. You may both be wrong.

            -- Dandemis


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                                  INSIDE
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                     The Fidonews at a Glance

     In "More Web Pages from the Web-Idiot" Frank Vest continues his
     exploring of different fido-realted web pages. Just a little note from
     the editor: this article was actually sent in for last week's issue,
     but got lost in the mail. Hence the reference to "last week", that has
     now become "two weeks ago".

        More from Frank in a short notice about "New Nodelist Format?" plus
     one for the jokes section, "What History Doesn't Tell Us." A piece
     that reminds me a little of the Mad Magazine. Does that still exist by
     the way? I haven't seen or heard about Alfred E Neumann, Don Martin
     and the other guys for quite some time.

        The fidonews kitchen serves "Leeky Crockpot" this week, from Carol
     of course, who else? :)

        Another joke from Warren Bonner, "The Donkey", is yet another one
     from the farmers world. And that's it for now.


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                         FIDONET WEB PAGE REVIEWS
     =================================================================

                       More Web Pages from the Web-Idiot
                                From Frank Vest
                                  1:124/6308.1


      Last week, I did a little article that was prompted because Steve
     Townsley had mentioned in an article that there were few Web pages
     about Fidonet that were up to date. The response was good on my little
     listing of Fidonet Web pages and a suggestion was made that I do a
     follow up on it. Sooo.... Here we go :-)

      There are many sites on the WWW about Fidonet. True, some are old and
     outdated, but a search of the WWW can get some good results.

      Last week's listing was mainly English in nature. I'll try to get
     some international sites this time. Please forgive me if my list and
     the comments I make are not correct in all aspects. I speak, read and
     write English only.

      I'd like to also invite other Fidonet Sysops, Points, Users and
     software Authors to write reviews of Fidonet sites, software and such.
     I'm only one person and my language barriers prevent me from
     understanding many of the WWW sites in other languages.


     http://www.was-ist-fido.de/
      Reading this German site from a translation engine, I find that it is
     a site telling what Fidonet is and giving links to Fidonet resources.
     An excellent site!

     http://www.writebynight.com/fidonet.html
      This is sort of a "counter part" to the above page, though not by the
     same person(s). It is in English and, like the above page, gives
     information on Fidonet. There's even a link to the above page there.
     :-)

     http://www.fido-deluxe.de.vu/
      Fido-Package deluxe. A complete Fidonet Point package. It will
     install and offer the user a Point address with a selected choice of
     Nodes. I'm not sure of all the details and might be wrong on the
     above since not all of the site is in English. Someone please write a
     review on this software for the Fidonews. It sounds like a great idea!

     http://winramturbo.com/fidonet/index.html
      An excellent site to check out if you are interested in Fidonet
     history. Frank Robbins and others contribute to this large site of
     information. It is a "work in progress", but worth a look over.

     http://www.rbt.com.br/
      The site of Fidonet Region 80. The page is in Portuguese and, if I
     remember right, maintained by the R80C. So, if it is outdated, contact
     the R80C. Hi Renato. :-)
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     http://biseonline.com/fido_int/
      This site will probably keep me busy.... if it draws enough
     attention. This is the "Fidonet International an BBS Search Engine".
     It is a JavaScript powered search engine of sorts. All the sites
     listed have to be manually entered into the engine's data base, but
     that's life. There's not much there right now, but that might change
     soon. :)   Check this site out and let me know if you have a web page
     to add to it.

      On the above search engine:
     I think it would be great to have a "real" search engine for Fidonet
     sites. Web rings are fine, but a place where we, as Nodes, Points,
     Users and others could point people to that want to find information
     about Fidonet would be great!


     So, here is another list of sites that I know of. Once again,  Yes,
     Virginia, there is a Fidonet out there. It's not impossible to find.
     It is in the heart and soul of all of us that love it and keep it
     going. :)

     Regards,

      Frank Vest - Sysop, Collin County Station - 1:124/6308

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                              FIDONET NOTICES
     =================================================================

                              New Nodelist Format?
                                 By Frank Vest
                                  1:124/6308.1

      The Echotag is NET_DEV. The subject is a new Nodelist format for
     Fidonet. The premis is that the current format doesn't allow for
     expansion, Internet Only Systems and other changes that need to be
     made to accomidate new technology to move Fidonet into the future.

      Several formats and methods are being discussed from DNS options to
     adding on to the current "comma delimited" format.

      For those interested, the Echo Tag again is "NET_DEV".

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     FIDONEWS 19-30               Page 6                   29 Jul 2002


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                      FIDONET'S INTERNATIONAL KITCHEN
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                        Leeky Crockpot

           Yield: 12 Servings

           2 ea Leek bunches, washed and cut
           4 ea Medium red or white potatos
           2 cn Cream of mushroom soup
           1 cn Water
           1 pk Chopped mushrooms
           1 cn Blue lake green beans, whole
           4 ds Tabasco sauce or other hot
           1 ts White pepper (black ok)

       Chop all veggies roughly and add to crockpot.  Now add all the cans,
     using the liquid from the green beans for the can of 'water' and
     adding more to make a full can.  (May use fresh green beans and it's
     better that way). Add the mushrooms (consider using shiitake or morels
     if feeling fancy but plain will do).  Add the rest and mix, then set
     on low for 6 hours.  Its ready but will keep on low for another 12
     hours cooking time easily. Refridgerate liner at night. Freezes pretty
     well in a sealed container.

       From:  xxcarol

       Optional low-fat version, change soup to low-fat chicken broth and
     add a fistful of dry 'large lima beans' (otherwise known as butter
     beans).


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                           CLEAN HUMOUR & JOKES
     =================================================================

                         What History Doesn't Tell Us.
                                 By Frank Vest
                                  1:124/6308.1

      We've all heard those famous lines spoken by great heroes. Lines
     like: "I have not yet begun to fight". Of course, they are inspiring
     and uplifting, but a simple one line is not the whole story. What was
     spoken after the famous line? Did you ever wonder??

      Here's some, obviously false, information on what was "not" included
     in those famous lines and words. :-))

      Much of this will be of American interest, but maybe some of the
     other countries will get a little fun out of this as well. :-)


                                John Paul Jones

     John: "I have not yet begun to fight"

     First Mate:  Well don't you think it's about time ya did!? The bloody
     ship's about had it!

                                   James Otis

     James: "Taxation without representation is tyranny."

     Nude citizen holding tax statement:  Taxation with representation
     isn't so great either!


                                Abraham Lincoln

     Abe: "Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth, upon
     this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to
     the proposition that all men are created equal,"

     Mae West: "Drop by and see me sometime".


                                 Mahatma Gandhi

     Mahatma: Honest differences are often a healthy sign of progress.

     American Citizen: Dishonest differences are often a healthy sign of
     Congress.


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     FIDONEWS 19-30               Page 8                   29 Jul 2002


                                The Donkey
                             By Warren Bonner
                          wdbonner@pacbell.net

     A city boy, Kenny, moved to the country and bought a donkey from an
     old farmer for $100.00.

     The farmer agreed to deliver the donkey the next day.  The next day
     the farmer drove up and said, "Sorry son, but I have some bad news,
     the donkey died."

     Kenny replied, "Well then, just give me my money back." The farmer
     said, "Can't do that. I went and spent it already."

     Kenny said, "OK then, just unload the donkey."

     The farmer asked, "What ya gonna do with him?"

     Kenny, "I'm going to raffle him off."

     Farmer, "You can't raffle off a dead donkey!"

     Kenny, "Sure I can. Watch me. I just won't tell anybody he is dead."

     A month later the farmer met up with Kenny and asked, "What happened
     with that dead donkey?"

     Kenny, "I raffled him off. I sold 500 tickets at two dollars a piece
     and made a profit of $898.00."

     Farmer, "Didn't anyone complain?"

     Kenny, " Just the guy who won. So I gave him his two dollars back."

     Kenny grew up and eventually became the chairman of Enron.

     Ol'wdb


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     FIDONEWS 19-30               Page 9                   29 Jul 2002


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                 TODD COCHRANE'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING
     =================================================================


                             Fidonet Software List
                                By Todd Cochrane
     Type:

     B=BBS  D=Door  M=Mailer  T=Tosser   C=Communication (terminal)
     U=Utility  P=Point Software  I=Internet (telnet, BinkP...)

     <+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+=-=+=-=-+-=-=+=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+>
     (   Software Name     ) |Type| (         Author/Contact              )
     <+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+=-=|=-=-|-=-=+=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+>
     |BBBS Home Page         |B   | b@bbbs.net                            |
     |                       |    | www.bbbs.net/                         |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |ELEBBS The Elevator    |B   | elebbs@elebbs.com                     |
     |Software Production    |    | www.elebbs.com                        |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Hermes II Project      |B   | info@HermesII.org                     |
     |                       |    | http://www.hermesii.org/              |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Maximus BBS Support    |B   | sales@lainus.com                      |
     |Page (Non Official)    |    | http://www.vector11.com/maximus/      |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |MBSE BBS               |B   | Michiel Broek                         |
     |                       |    | mbroek@users.sourceforge.net          |
     |                       |    | http://mbse.sourceforge.net           |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Mystic BBS             |B   | http://www.mysticbbs.com/mystic/      |
     |                       |    |                                       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Nexus Bulletin         |B   | groberts@nexusbbs.net                 |
     |Board System           |    | http://www.nexusbbs.net/              |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Proboard, Searchlight, |BC  | info@telegrafix.com                   |
     |Telegrafix             |    | http://www.telegrafix.com             |
     |Communications         |    | 540-678-4050                          |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |RemoteAccess           |B   | Bruce Morse                           |
     |Central                |    | bfmorse@rapro.com                     |
     |                       |    | http://www.rapro.com/                 |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Spitfire BBS           |B   | MDWoltz@AOL.COM                       |
     |Buffalo Creek Software |    |http://www.angelfire.com/ia/buffalo/   |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Synchronet BBS         |BT  | sysop@vert.synchro.net                |
     |                       |    | http://www.synchro.net                |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Telegard BBS           |B   | support@telegard.net                  |
     |                       |    | http://www.telegard.net/              |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Wildcat Interactive    |BTMI| sales@santronics.com                  |
     |Net Server             |    | http://www.santronics.com             |
     FIDONEWS 19-30               Page 10                  29 Jul 2002


     |Plantinum Express      |    |(305)248-3204                          |
     |                       |    | Santronics Inc.                       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Bentstone Capabilities |D   | info@stonebenders.com                 |
     |Group                  |    | http://www.srupc.com/mall             |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Jibben Software        |D   | scott@jibben.com                      |
     |                       |    | http://www.jibbensoftware.com/        |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |JNS Software Door Games|D   | Rusty Johnson                         |
     |                       |    | rustyjohnson57@hotmail.com            |
     |                       |    | 304-733-0113                          |
     |                       |    | http://www.geocities.com/jnssoftware/ |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Legend Of The Red      |D   |                                       |
     |Dragon Reborn          |    |                                       |
     |(L.O.R.D.)             |    | http://www.lordlegacy.org/            |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |PC Pursuits            |D   |brucep@pop.kis.net                     |
     |                       |    |(301)240-6653                          |
     |                       |    |http://www.pcpursuits.com/products.htm |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |S and T Software       |D   |Mark Bappe                             |
     |                       |    |mark.bappe@bozax.iainc.net             |
     |                       |    |(770)788-6843                          |
     |                       |    |http://bozax.iainc.net/public/         |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Shinning Star BBS Doors|D   |nannette@shiningstar.net               |
     |                       |    |http://www.shiningstar.net/bbsdoors/   |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Sunrise Door Software  |D   |Al Lawerence                           |
     |                       |    |al@sunrisedoors.com                    |
     |                       |    |(404)256-9518                          |
     |                       |    |http://www.sunrisedoors.com/           |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |The Brainex System     |D   |info@brainex.com                       |
     |                       |    |http://www.brainex.com/brainex_system/ |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Trade Wars Door Game   |D   |jpritch@eisonline.com                  |
     |                       |    |http://www.eisonline.com/tradewars/    |
     |                       |    |1:299/110                              |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Vagabond Software      |D   |Bryan Turner                           |
     |                       |    |vagabond@darktech.org                  |
     |                       |    |http://vagabond.virtualave.net/        |
     |                       |    |1:124/7013                             |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |FMail Support          |T   |wijnstra@fmail.nl.eu.org               |
     |                       |    |http://fmail.nl.eu.org/                |
     |                       |    |2:280/1076                             |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Squish Tosser          |T   |http://www.lanius.com/squish.htm       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Argus RITLABS          |M   |argus@ritlabs.com                      |
     |                       |    |373-2-246889                           |
     |                       |    |http://www.ritlabs.com/argus/          |
     FIDONEWS 19-30               Page 11                  29 Jul 2002


     |                       |    |2:469/84                               |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |FrontDoor              |MTPC|Definite Solutions                     |
     |FrontDoor APX          |    |sales@defsol.se                        |
     |Mailer/Point Software  |    |http://www.defsol.se/                  |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |BeeMail Home Page      |M   |http://beemail.gexonline.net           |
     |                       |    |Stephen Proffit                        |
     |                       |    |1:211/405                              |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |BinkleyTerm XE         |M   |http://btxe.sourceforge.net/           |
     |Frontend Mailer        |    |                                       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |BinkD                  |MI  |maloff@corbina.net                     |
     |                       |    |http://2f.ru/binkd/                    |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Fidogate               |UIT |Martin_Junius@m-j-s.net                |
     |                       |    |http://www.fidogate.org/               |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Fidonet to Internet    |IM  |Bo Bendtsen                            |
     |Mailer                 |    |sales@terminate.com                    |
     |                       |    |http://www.terminate.com/fido2int.htm  |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |GiGo Software          |UI  |http://www.gigo.com/                   |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Internet Rex           |IM  |cruden@cs.ualberta.ca                  |
     |                       |    |http://plaza.v-wave.com/InternetRex/   |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Tmail                  |IM  |http://www.tmail.spb.ru/index-19.htm   |
     |(Russian /w English DL)|    |                                       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |TransX Multiboard      |M   |support@multiboard.com                 |
     |Communications Inc.    |    |http://www.multiboard.com/software/    |
     |                       |    |transx.html                            |
     |                       |    |1:2401/305                             |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |TransNet               |I   |transnet@ressl.com.ar                  |
     |                       |    |http://www.ressl.com.ar/transnet/      |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Watergate              |I   |ramon@sbbs.se                          |
     |                       |    |http://www2.sbbs.se/hp/ramon/          |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |JetSys-Home of JetMail |TU  |http://www.jetsys.de/                  |
     |JetStat and other Atari|    |                                       |
     |Fidonet utilities      |    |                                       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |APoint (Author)        |P   |http://www.apoint.websale.net/index.htm|
     |                       |    |http://www.apoint-mail.de (Co-Autho)   |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |CrossPoint             |P   |("Original" version)                   |
     |                       |    |http://www.crosspoint.de               |
     |                       |    |http://www.apoint-mail.de              |
     |                       |    |(OpenXP Projekt)                       |
     |                       |    |http://www.openxp.com (English)        |
     |                       |    |http://www.openxp.de (German)          |
     |                       |    |CrossPoint (XP2 Team)                  |
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     |                       |    |http://www.xp2.de                      |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |WinPoint95             |P   |http://www.schenksmir.de/wp/english    |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |The OpenXP CrossPoint  |P   |http://www.happyarts.de/xp             |
     |Projekt                |    |                                       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Terminate Terminal     |P   |http://www.terminate.com               |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |PPoint-FTS compatible  |P   |http://www.alcuf.ca/ppoint.htm         |
     |E-Mail System          |    |                                       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     \====================================================================/

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     Zone 2:       http://www.z2.fidonet.org
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         Fido-IP:  http://home.nrh.de/fido/ (English/German)
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     -----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
     Zone 1     |                   |                |       |
       10/3     | Brenda Donovan    | FTP,UUE,BinkP  | 384K,30| n/c
       10/345   | Todd Cochrane     | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,!  | n/c
       18/500   | Ross Cassell      | FTP, BinkP     |128K+,!| n/c
      103/5     | Mark Luetger      | BinkP          | CABLE | n/c
      103/301   | Joe Jared         | BinkP,FTP,NFS  | 384k,!| n/c
      103/401   | Warren Bonner     | BinkP          | aDSL,!| n/c
      105/8     | Russ Johnson      | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k  | n/c
      105/72    | Larry James       | FTP, BinkP     | aDSL  | $50/yr
      106/1     | Steve Loupe       | BinkP, FTP     | 768k  | FREE
      106/2000  | Bob Juge        | BinkP VMoT FTP TX| ???   | n/c
      106/6018  | Lawrence Garvin   | FTP, VMoT      | aDSL,60| n/c
      107/453   | Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo.
      134/11    | Michael Grant  | FTP, BinkP, VMoT UUE, IFCICO,TransX
                                                    aDSL, 60 | n/c
      138/146   | Marc Blakely      | BinkP,FTP      | ???   | n/c
      140/1     | Bob Seaborn       | FTP,BinkP      | T3,30 | $5/$16
     FIDONEWS 19-30               Page 15                  29 Jul 2002


      142/906   | Chris Griffin     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      150/220   | Dave Nemeth       | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      153/7715  | Dallas Hinton     | BinkD, FTP     | CABLE | ???
      167/133   | Stephen Monteith  | BinkP          | 128k+ | n/c
      167/166   | Jesse Dooling     | POP? UUE TX FTP| ???   | n/c
      218/109   | Matt Munson       | BinkP,UUE,TX   | 33.6k | n/c
      220/10    | groberts|nexusbbs.net |BinkP,FTP,UUE|1.5M+ | n/c
      229/1     | Phil Simpson      | BinkP UUE FTP  | ???   | n/c
      229/2000  | Robert Couture    |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ???   |
      229/622   | Dave Hamilton     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      250/98    | Darin McBride     | BinkP FTP TX   | ???   | n/c
      250/99    | Brent McLaren     | FTP BinkP      | ???   | n/c
      250/102   | Darin McBride     | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
      267/169   | Philip Lozier     | FTP TX         | ???   | n/c
      261/1380  | Joe Davis         | UUE TX         | ???   | n/c
      275/311   | Shannon Talley|FTP,BinkP,FTP,VMoT,QWK| T1  |n/c
      280/169   | Brian Greenstreet | FTP            | 33.6  | $2mo.
      297/11    | Michael McCabe    | TX             | ???   | n/c
      323/120   | Craig Healy       | VMoT FTP       | ???   | n/c
      342/3     | Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP      | 128K+ | n/c
      393/48    | Ben Ritchey       | UUE:BFDS?      | 33.6k | n/c
      379/1     | Dale Ross         | FTP, BinkP,UUE | 256K+,! n/c
      379/1200  | Chris Cranford    | BinkP FTP TX   | ???   | n/c
      396/45    | Marc Lewis        |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ADSL  | n/c
     2215/300   | Dennis Haddox     | UUE,TX         | CABLE | n/c
     2320/38    | Janis Kracht      | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
     2410/400   | Gary Gilmore      | FTP BinkP      | 384K,60| n/c
     2410/213   | Kevin Bentz       | FTP, BinkP, UUE| Cable | n/c
     2604/104   | Jim Mclaughlin    | FTP,VMoT,UUE   | 33.6  | $1mo
     2624/306   | David Calafrancesco  | VMoT        | 33.6  | n/c
     3613/1275  | @ jyates@bsdi.ldl.net | UUE,FTP    | 28.8  | n/c
     3407/4     | Robert Todd    |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
     3632/84    | Robert Todd    |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
     3830/5     | Jeff Schrunk      |BinkP FTP TX UUE| ???   | n/c
     3830/9     | Steve Quarrella   |BinkP FTP IFCICO VMoT UUE|?|?
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 2     |
       20/11    | Henrik Lindhe     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       22/222   | Kim Heino         | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       28/1     | Lody Caenen       | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
       31/1     | Gabriel Plutzar   | BinkP          | T1+   | n/c
       37/37    | Gabor Z. Papp     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       47/999   | Andrej Kirejev    | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
       53/558   |Vladimir Hrusca|POP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP,ifcico|2mbs|??
      201/329   | Mats Wallin       | VMoT TX        | ???   | n/c
      201/505   | Gran Eriksson    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      201/600   | Hkan Andersson   |BinkP,FTP       |512kbps| n/c
      203/600   | Mikael Karlsson   |BinkP,FTP,TX,UUE| 512k  | n/c
      211/37    | Torbjorn Mohn     | BinkP          | 8/2mb | n/c
      221/360   | Tommi Koivula     | BinkP,UUE      | ???   | n/c
      236/205   | Michael Kaaber    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      240/6298  | Steve Tell        | BinkP UUE      | ???   | n/c
      246/2098  | Volker Imre       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      252/110   | David Rance       | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      255/90    | Simon Avery       | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      263/950   | Sean Rima         | TX UUE         | ???   | n/c
     FIDONEWS 19-30               Page 16                  29 Jul 2002


      280/1027  | Lukas de Groen    | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
      280/1601  | Jeroen VanDeLeur  | FTP,UUE        | 64k   | n/c
      280/4312  | Jos Huijnen   | BinkP ifcico UUE TX| ???   | n/c
      280/5003  | Kees van Eeten    | BinkP ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      292/624   | Steven Leeman     | UUE            | 64k   | n/c
      292/854   | Ward Dossche      | BinkP UUE TX   | ???   | n/c
      292/2003  | Eric Vaneberck    | BinkP          | 768k  | n/c
      301/1     | Peter Witschi     | BinkP          | 768k  | n/c
      332/807   | Roberto Mascolo   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      333/0     | M Gianformaggio   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      335/534   | Mario Mure        | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k   | n/c
      335/610   | Gino Lucrezi      | UUE            | 33.6  | n/c
      341/14    | Rafael Suarez     | BinkP VMoT     | ???   | n/c
      341/51    | Jose.Maria Tejada | VMoT           |       |
      341/66    | Angel Ripoll      | VMoT           |       |
      343/168   | Jose Casanova     | VMoT           |       |
      344/201   | Julio Garcia      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      346/3     | Carlos Navarro    | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      347/1     | Javi Polo         | UUE            |       |
      348/105   | Alejandro Estraviz| BinkP UUE      |       |
      382/100   | Sinisa Burina     | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      400/555   | Ofir Michaeli     | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      400/557   | Marius Kaizerman  | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      423/81    | Milos Bajer       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      461/256   | Andrew Rutkas     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      461/640   | Alex Semenyaka    |BinkP ifcico UUE| ???   | n/c
      465/204   | Va Milushnikov    | BinkP          | 33.6k | n/c
      469/84    | Max Masyutin      | VMoT           | 256k  | n/c
      469/128   | Oleg Vasenyoff    | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      480/112   | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k  | n/c
      550/4077  | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE            | ----- | n/c
     2410/201   | Karsten Ebeling   | BinkP UUE      | ???   | n/c
     2411/413   | Dennis Dittrich   | UUE,BinkP      | 64k   | n/c
     2432/200   | Sven Dueker       | BinkP TX UUE   | ???   | n/c
     2446/301   | Lothar Behet  | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K   | n/c
     2474/275   | Christian Emig    | UUE            | 64k   | unkn
     2487/3000  | Steffen Gross     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5002/5002  | Victor Belyakov   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5014/4     | Alex Bagmanov     | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5020/52    | Peter Didenko     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5020/54    | Serge Wizgounoff  | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5020/69    | B Chernivetsky    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5020/238   | Sergey Gubanov    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5030/115   | Andrey Podkolzin  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5030/1251  | K Stepanekov      | UUE            | ???   | n/c
     5100/8     | Egons Bush        | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5020/1159  | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE          | 33.6  | n/c
     5049/12    | Amir Shabashvili  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5054/3     | Andrew Popov      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5080/80    | Eugene Zorin      | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5083/21    | Alexander Uskov   | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5090/2     | Andrew Titov      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5100/8     | Egons Bush        | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 3
      633/260   | Malcolm Miles     | FTP,BinkP      | 64K   | n/c
     FIDONEWS 19-30               Page 17                  29 Jul 2002


      640/954   | Rick Van Ruth     | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c
      712/311   | Bob James         | TX             | ???   | n/c
      774/605   | Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 4
      801/161   | Renato Zambon     | UUE            | 33.6  |n/c
      902/18    | Javier Tejedor    | UUE            | 33,6  | n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 6
       65/3000  | Lawrence Fan      | UUE            | 33600 | free
      653/1009  | Maorong Chen      | UUE            | ???   | free
      654/0     | Bin Li            | UUE,BinkP      | 33600 | free
      654/1501  | Lawrence Fan      | UUE,BinkP      | 28800 | free

     --
     * FTP    = Internet File Transfer Protocol
     * VMoT   = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
     * UUE    = uuencode<->email type transfers
     * BinkP  = front end mailer for TCPIP networks
     * TX     = TransX
     * NFS    = Linux Networking
     * ifcico = ifcico-compatible virtual mailer
     * QWK    = Quick Packets/Offline mailer "networking" capable
     ----------------------------------------------
     Fidonet oriented news servers

     news.fidotel.com (currently offline)
     news.osirusoft.com
     news.tardis.net
     nntp://fido.bitsoft.ro
     nntp://bbs.bitsoft.ro

     Fidonet oriented chat rooms.

     room #fidonet  5PM (PDT 11AM GMT) Sundays
     irc.osirusoft.com  (Peers wanted)
     irc.sinoptix.ro : malay, chinesse, english, #fido, #fidonet, #wwb
     irc.bitsoft.ro : 6667 russian, english, hebrew, #fido, #wwb
     irc.tsua.net : 6668 russian, english #fido

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                             SPECIAL INTEREST
     =================================================================

                         Nodelist Stats

      Input nodelist  nodelist.207
                size  1084.3kb
                date  2002-07-26

      The nodelist has   9548 nodes in it
        and a total of  12538 non-comment entries

              including     6 zones
                           61 regions
                          459 hosts
                          660 hubs
         admin overhead  1186 ( 12.42 %)

                    and   935 private nodes
                          407 nodes down
                          462 nodes on hold
      off line overhead  1804 ( 18.89 %)


      Speed summary:

               >9600 =    723 (  7.57 %)
                9600 =   8333 ( 87.27 %)
                              (HST  =  178 or   2.14 %)
                              (CSP  =    1 or   0.01 %)
                              (PEP  =   12 or   0.14 %)
                              (MAX  =    0 or   0.00 %)
                              (HAY  =    1 or   0.01 %)
                              (V32  = 4522 or  54.27 %)
                              (V32B =  484 or   5.81 %)
                              (V34  = 5477 or  65.73 %)
                              (V42  = 4484 or  53.81 %)
                              (V42B =  505 or   6.06 %)
                2400 =    101 (  1.06 %)
                1200 =      7 (  0.07 %)
                 300 =    384 (  4.02 %)

                ISDN =    971 ( 10.17 %)

     ----------------------------------------------------------
      File Req Flag   Applicable software     Number of systems
     ----------------------------------------------------------
      XA              Frontdoor <1.99b             3438
                      Frontdoor  2.02+
                      Dutchie 2.90c
                      Binkleyterm >2.1
                      D'Bridge <1.3
                      TIMS
                      Xenia
     --------------------------------------
     FIDONEWS 19-30               Page 19                  29 Jul 2002


      XB              Binkleyterm 2.0                 8
                      Dutchie 2.90b
     --------------------------------------
      XC              Opus 1.1                       10
     --------------------------------------
      XP              Seadog                          6
     --------------------------------------
      XR              Opus 1.03                      57
     --------------------------------------
      XW              Fido >12M                     392
                      Tabby
                      KittenMail
     --------------------------------------
      XX              D'Bridge 1.30                4200
                      Frontdoor 1.99b
                      Intermail 2.01
                      T-Mail
     --------------------------------------
      None            QMM                          1437
     --------------------------------------

      CrashMail capable =   3085 ( 32.31 %)
      MailOnly nodes    =   5150 ( 53.94 %)
      Listed-only nodes =    735 (  7.70 %)
      Other             =    578 (  6.05 %)

      [Report produced by NETSTATS - A PD pgm available from 1:106/100]
      [                                 Revised by B Felten, 2:203/208]

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