     The  F I D O N E W S      Volume 19, Number 16             22 Apr 2002 
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            Copyright 2002 by Fidonews Editor for Fidonews Globally.


                        Table of Contents
     1. FOOD FOR THOUGHT  .........................................  1
     2. INSIDE  ...................................................  2
        The Fidonews at a Glance  .................................  2
     3. EDITORIAL  ................................................  3
        Swinging USA and more  ....................................  3
     4. GENERAL ARTICLES  .........................................  5
        Evolution in action: Operating Systems  ...................  5
     5. CATCALLS FROM THE CHEAP SEATS  ............................  7
        Catcalls from the Cheap Seats  ............................  7
     6. REBUTTALS TO PREVIOUS ARTICLES  ........................... 10
        24 hours  ................................................. 10
     7. EDITOR'S CORNER  .......................................... 11
        Russian characters  ....................................... 11
     8. FIDONET'S INTERNATIONAL KITCHEN  .......................... 12
        Japanese Kamaboko  ........................................ 12
     9. CLEAN HUMOR & JOKES  ...................................... 13
        BASTARD OPERATOR FROM HELL #13  ........................... 13
        Post WWIII  ............................................... 15
        The Czech and the lawyer  ................................. 16
     10. TODD COCHRANE'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING  ................ 17
        Fidonet Software List  .................................... 17
     11. FIDONET BY INTERNET  ..................................... 21
        Fidonet-related Sites  .................................... 21
     12. SPECIAL INTEREST  ........................................ 26
        Nodelist Stats  ........................................... 26
     13. FIDONEWS INFORMATION  .................................... 28
        How to Submit an Article  ................................. 28
        Credits, Legal Infomation, Availability  .................. 29
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                             FOOD FOR THOUGHT
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     If Columbus had an advisory committee he would probably still be at
     the dock.


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                                  INSIDE
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                     The Fidonews at a Glance

     The editorial this week, "Swinging USA and more", is about a
     remarkable US patent plus a sweep around the world for some remarkable
     persons.

        The Snooze's very own catcaller, Luke Kolin, finally got his own
     section, long overdue after more than ten articles for almost as many
     weeks. The name of the section is of course "Catcalls from the Cheap
     Seats".

        In Editor's Corner I explain how to prepare and use different code
     pages in a Windows 98 DOS-box in "Russian characters".

        In the General Articles section Franois Thunus has a mini-poll
     going in "Evolution in action: Operating Systems", and in the Rebuttal
     section Michiel v d Vlist gives us some information about that "24
     hours" issue I raised last week.

        Carol makes "Japanese Kamaboko" in this week's section of Fidonews
     International Kitchen.

        In the Jokes section we have "Bastard operator from hell #13", the
     last episode for this time. Plus something I stole from the Fidonet
     echo ENET.SYSOP (sorry Petko I didn't have time to ask your permission
     to use it), "Post WWIII". And finally one from the Warren Bonner
     archives, "The Czech and the lawyer", once again playing with the
     english language.


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                                 EDITORIAL
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                         Swinging USA and more...

     This week's award for US ingenuity and PTO generosity goes to US
     patent 6,368,227. The abstract of the patent application reads like
     this:

       "A method of swing on a swing is disclosed, in which a user
        positioned on a standard swing suspended by two chains from
        a substantially horizontal tree branch induces side to side
        motion by pulling alternatly on one chain and then the other."

        Yes, you've got it. The patent is for swinging a swing sideways.
     This ingenious invention has been patented at USPTO, and may from now
     on *not* be used by anyone without the expressed approval of Steven
     Olson, 337 Otis Ave., St. Paul, MN 55104. Please remember this all you
     parents, whenever you discover that your kids are showing tendencies
     towards side-way swinging out there on the playground!

        I just love the background description in the application:

       "A few basic types of swings have been around for generations [no
        kidding? -- ed.note]. Perhaps the most common is one that includes
        a seat suspended between two ropes or chains that are hung from a
        tree branch or other substantially horizontal support. These swings
        are often found in side-by-side sets of two or three more on, for
        example, a school playground."

        Well, from there the application goes on with one obvious statement
     after the other. You just simply have to read the entire patent doc!
     Go to www.uspto.gov and search for approved pat.no. 6,368,227.

        The person who helped Steven Olson to send in his patent app is
     listed as "Attorney, Agent or Firm: Olson; Peter Lowell". Can one
     assume that this is the proud father of 12 year old(?) Steven? I can
     picture the situation. Daddy Peter looks out the window and sees young
     Steven and his sister (I know he has a sister because she is mentioned
     in the application) swinging sideways on their swing. Being a patent
     attorney he immediatly sees the potential of this new movement. He
     sends in a patent application in his son's name and, hold and below,
     it actually gets approved!

        One can only ask in what South East Asian jungle patent officer
     Kien T. Nguyen grow up, since he obviously regarded this side-way
     swing to have the "novel techology", that is one of the most important
     criteria that any patent application must comply to.

                        - - = = * = = - -

        Speaking of crackpots, The Post-Crescent had an article about a man
     from Wisconsin, that one day simply had enough. He had some problem
     with his daughters computer (HD, sound, CD drivers). Brand not
     disclosed. After having given the personel in the computer shop, where
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     he returned the f*cking computer for the umti-eleventh time, the usual
     "have a nice day", he returned with a sledge hammer that he used to
     smash the computer to bits and pieces. I guess this gives a new
     meaning to the word "hacker"...

                        - - = = * = = - -

        The Australian father of four, Prime Minister John Piss the Family
     Court and Legal Aid (yes, that is his complete name after the name
     change he made in 1997), of Seaford, Victoria, suddenly ran into
     problems, according to the newspaper The Age. Up to now he's had no
     problems with either his drivers license, credit cards or medical
     journals with his new name, but when he applied for a new passport,
     the authorities objected. Mostly to the middle name "Piss", that they
     regarded as offensive.

                        - - = = * = = - -

        The Calgary Sun (Canada) reports about an obviously desperate man,
     that robbed a sex shop of a sex toy. The man threatened the one man
     personel with pepper spray and demanded the personel to face the wall
     with the hands on the head. Rather than taking money he then nicked
     "an anatomic sensation" (according to the police report), worth almost
     $300, and disappeared. According to police spokesman Bob Johnson, the
     police "have no trace of the perpetrator as of yet, he's probably busy
     having a good time with himself for the moment".

                        - - = = * = = - -

        A Brasilian priest of the Catholic Church has announced that he
     will no longer wed any woman unless she can prove that she's a virgin,
     according to Terra Noticias Populares. The priest, Natal Antonio
     Mella, claims he'll only accept a doctor's certificate as proof of the
     virginity. Citizens of the little village Petrolina, where he has his
     parish, are said to be very angry with him, but he's assured his
     congregation that he'll not object to anyone else wedding already
     screwed women, only *he* will not do it (wed them, that is...).

                        - - = = * = = - -

        Yeezz... Whatever is humanity coming to? How many crackpots can we
     really keep producing before mankind is going down the drains like the
     dinosaurs? On the other hand we may try to remember that there are all
     kinds of different people in the world, so we do not become so
     surprised the next time we read something out of the ordinary in a
     Fidonet echo.


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                             GENERAL ARTICLES
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                 Evolution in action: Operating Systems
                         by Franois Thunus,
          [2:270/25.1 / fidoarticle <at> telematique <dot> org]

     I started my first BBS a long time ago, in 1987 to be precise, on
     behalf of the "Club de TeleMatique" (http://telematique.org). It first
     ran on a 286 with a 20 megs HD, under DOS. Like many, it took me
     several BBS software before finally finding what I wanted / needed.
     Those were the days, and soon the phone line was no longer enough. I
     needed more. I switched to a 386 with 2 lines running DesqView, which
     was nice but not stable enough. I started looking for something else
     at the next hardware upgrade, which was a 486. Windows 3.10 was no
     good for telecomm, NT 3.51 was too ressource-hungry. I picked OS/2
     2.11, almost immediately upgraded to Warp 3.0. I loved it, because it
     enabled me to keep my DOS programs while giving me a real solid
     multitasking system. At some point, we had 4 lines running.

     Then I discovered Linux, the SLS distribution (0.98). I played with
     that a long time, but it was too much work to redo the BBS under it.
     In fact, the BBS remained under Warp 3.0 until quite recently. In the
     meantime, the internal network at the club (some 15 machines) has been
     running several brand of Linux: RH4.0, RH4.2, RH5.2, SuSE 6.0,
     SuSE6.1, SuSE6.3, RH6.2, RH7.2, and soon Debian 3.0. The reason I
     picked Linux is quite simple: as a club, we can't afford the wintel
     arm race, and we don't want to pirat copies. After a lot of
     indecision, I decided to switch the BBS/Fidonet machine to Linux as
     well, simply because the OS/2 machine is now the odd man out. It is
     much easier to integrate the internal network when all machines are
     the same. However, until recently no BBS/Fidonet solution was what I
     looked for. I no longer have as much time as I used to when I first
     started the whole thing, and I don't want to downgrade the offer too
     much, even though I have to admit that unfortunately the current 2
     lines are idle most of the time due to lack of caller. In fact, our
     BBS is everything but dead, and the only service still used is the
     internet<>fidonet gateway for our points (number shrunk to 7 :-<).

     The good thing about Linux is that I can do all maintenance remote
     from home (the BBS is locked at the club's premises on the other side
     of town, and finding a parking place is a long and enduring quest).

     So this is my story (the short version anyway). The other day I was
     reading the snooze and I was wondering who was running what. Since
     most Fidonet people are in a way pioneers, I would imagine that they
     are not mainstream and that there are probably a good number of Linux
     or OS/2 users out there, or even Mac, but I can be wrong. Hence this
     idea of a mini-survey. Please send your OS data to fidosurvey at
     telematique dot org, with the relevant OS info on the subject line.
     This will be automatically treated and I will collect data during two
     weeks after publication, after that I'll post the result here. sample:

     from: hp@hogwards.ima
     to: fidosurvey<at>telematique<dot>org
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         [<at> and <dot> must of course be changed to the respective
          caracters, you know what. Changed to prevent all those ugly
          mail spam sniffers from stealing the address. Editor's note.]
     subject: Windows 9 3/4


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                       CATCALLS FROM THE CHEAP SEATS
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                       Catcalls from the Cheap Seats
                             By Luke Kolin

     My output has slipped somewhat in recent weeks - mostly due to my
     recent vacation on the Gulf Coast with my wife and daughter. While I
     had the displeasure of a six hour drive (God bless smooth southern
     American interstates where you can drive 90mph without undue police
     interference) and a sick baby at the end of it, consider my trip
     Exhibit 2,526 in my demonstration that yes Virginia, there is
     community on the Internet.

     When my wife reached the stage in her life when she decided that she
     really did want a baby after all (and why didn't we have it
     yesterday?) she started participating in a number of Internet
     discussion areas related to getting pregnant with a number of other
     women from the US and Canada who were attempting to conceieve at the
     same time. About two years later we (well, they) have six babies and
     one on the way, and three of the ladies met on the Gulf Coast for a
     week in the sun (well, rain) and to finally meet. No one got molested
     or murdered and chopped into little bits. This is now the second time
     I've met folks I've first worked with on the Internet - the first was
     a Toyota MR2 owners' club I used to belong to. On each occasion, good
     times were had by all.

     Our editor has given me an excuse to talk about one of my favourite
     topics - myself. Yes, I use my real name. And yes, I was an honest to
     goodness FidoNet sysop between 1986 and 1997, for about ten and a half
     years. I think I can still remember my node numbers: originally
     148/158, then 1:223/110, and finally 1:250/714 for about seven years.
     During those years, I took an undue interest in network politics - I
     was elected RC of that pesky Region 12 in late 1991, and served as
     NC/NEC of Net 250 in Toronto Canada on a few occasions.

     As Bjorn points out, I did not necessarily make a lot of friends
     during my time in FidoNet as a *C. As he is too diplomatic to mention,
     I also didn't necessarily do a great job during that time, either. I
     think I did a lot of things right (like a fully transparent CRP, which
     I believe was the first of its kind, and pushing for NC elections in
     each network when I was RC) and I also did a lot of things wrong. I
     got into a lot of petty battles that I should have been smart enough
     to avoid. In my defense, I plead that I was young and foolish - I did
     all this between the ages of 14 and 25.

     Taking a few years off has allowed me to gain some new perspectives in
     life (being a *C in FidoNet is pretty unimportant when you have a
     family and a mortgage) and a little - but not much - wisdom that comes
     with hanging around long enough. What disturbs me is that the same old
     garbage that I saw, dealt with and contributed to in FidoNet in 1994
     and 1992 still exists in FidoNet in 2002. An abrasive little kid like
     myself is able to learn, grow and see the error of his ways - yet
     large portions of FidoNet's *C structure are unable to. In 2002, they
     still don't get it. By the looks of things, they won't any time soon.
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     Enough about me and my sins. Avid Snooze readers with a fetish for the
     back issues and a cursory understanding of how a search works can read
     more about my many faults than I could hope to describe. Back to the
     topic at hand.

     I originally mentioned Canadian health care not as a means of teeing
     off on my native land (although it's such a tempting target) but as an
     allegory for FidoNet - a system that worked well in the past but has
     been stuck in the static thinking of the past. Because of this
     stagnation, it is rapidly decaying. Where the comparison breaks down
     is that in FidoNet, it is easy to opt out of the system. In 1988, I
     became a member of AlterNet - the first FTN or "Fido Technology
     Network". Today, we have the Internet as an opt-out destination, and
     thousands of sysops have done so, following tens (hundreds?) of
     thousands of users. To opt-out of Canadian health care is a more
     significant undertaking, although thousands of Canadians just like me
     do it every year - we move to the US.

     As a good columnist, I can't resist attempting to get the last word.
     Frank Vest makes an excellent point - there is no free lunch. At the
     end of the day, someone ends up paying and one way or another it ends
     up being me. The one huge advantage of the US system over the Canadian
     is freedom and choice. I have the choice of what percentage of my
     income to devote to health care, and what level of coverage I want.
     Should I be dissatisfied with my provider, I can change (with
     restrictions). I can easily change doctors. In the Canadian system, I
     pay more the more I make, with the same crummy level of service. I
     cannot switch insurance companies, and with the doctor shortage I
     cannot easily switch physicians. In short, I have no choice and I have
     no freedom. Not too much different from FidoNet, where a paternalistic
     (or maternalistic?) ZC can annul a democratic election and foist her
     own Quisling on those individuals for a full year.

     I'm somewhat divorced from that little escapade nowadays, and don't
     know how it turned out. I keep reading references to alternate
     nodelists (note to *C structure: when searching for a nodelist the
     other week via Internet, I got the "otherlist" before I found a
     current "official" list), but I'm not sure who's opting out today.
     Either way, FidoNet is getting down in numbers, and a *C that
     alienates a significant number of active nodes isn't doing the network
     a favour - even if he or she is "technically" right. If the network is
     better off without them, well, at what point do you draw the line? The
     Canadian Prime Minister says that Canada is much better off without
     whiners like myself, and an untrained family-class immigrant (who
     couldn't qualify under Canada's liberal self-sponsorship guidelines
     where all you need is a skill, three words in English and a pulse) can
     easily replace me. When the first ten thousand of us left, it wasn't
     an issue. After a quarter million, the press started t o take notice.
     When the recession here is over, the flow will resume. Just like
     FidoNet - the first dozen troublemakers and change agitators were
     "good riddance". When Zone 1 is down to 15% of its size and is mostly
     Mail-Only, we've busily put ourselves out of existence.

     It's amusing that Warren makes reference to "non elected" people, and
     folks who throw "disrespect" at the *C structure. That's really rich,
     considering the *C structure threw a lot of disrespect its way by
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     overturing a legitimate, ratified election and replacing the incumbent
     with a "non elected" choice of its own. The real sheep, Warren, are
     the folks who put up with that kind of contempt without a peep.

     Bjorn's editorial on "free" health care and his definition of "free"
     (how come free always appears in quotes nowadays?) is not too far from
     the original purpose of Canadian universal health care. The point was
     that no one should be bankrupted by a critical illness. (The #1 cause
     of bankruptcy in the US is unpaid medical bills.) No one should have a
     sick child untreated in the middle of the night because they didn't
     have $100 lying around to pay the doctor. No one should be turned away
     by a hospital when in need. Unfortunately, it's gotten away from
     universal catastrophic medical insurance and turned into a giant
     monster that runs the ENTIRE health-care system. Doctors are now
     pretty much civil servants, and the government can determine their
     income and wether they can work or not by giving them a billing
     number. The public is so afraid of "private, US-style" health care
     that they don't even want private FACILITIES providing "free" health
     care. They've been conned by the left that only complete public
     ownership is needed to "save" the health care system. Even our most
     die-hard socialist readers can appreciate the fact that the quote "I'm
     from the government and I'm here to help" is nothing more than satire
     or farce, yet Canadians firmly believe this. Heck, even the Sweedes
     (you know, that rabid hot-bed of heartless neo-conservatism) have more
     private-sector health care than Canada.

     Frank is apparently a very generous man, because he credits Canadians
     as being smart enough to realise that their health care isn't free. If
     you poll Canadians (and I'm sure this is done on a semi-regular
     basis), I'd venture that between 55% and 75% of them will consider it
     free. That's why they go to emergency rooms when they get a sniffle.
     These are, of course, the same individuals that believe that making
     the minimum payments on their credit cards will get them paid off
     quickly. They're the same folks that believe that it's a good thing to
     give mothers a year's paid maternity leave, and then are baffled why
     their taxes go up to pay for it. They're the same people who then push
     for a tax cut that gives them an extra $50/year that quickly goes to
     the $100/year in new user fees. If there's one universal truth that
     unites humanity across the world - Canadians, Americans, Europeans,
     Chinese, Russians, Indians, Brazilians, South Africans and everyone in
     between - it's that most of us aren 't very smart. Just like me.

     On a closing note, I'm starting to think I should get a feed to the
     FIDONEWS echo at the very least to intereact with my legions of
     screaming fans. (Bjorn, do I get groupies?) I replaced my old PII
     Windows NT PC with a screaming, overheating Athlon to better play
     FlightSim with (no ANSI-based door games for me, thank you very much)
     so I now have a spare P133 kicking around. It can run OS/2 or NT, but
     it's designed as a server so it doesn't have a screen. If someone has
     a good feed of echos in newsgroup format, that would be even better. I
     might even ask for my old node number back, if a net in Toronto would
     take a node in Atlanta. Is this even possible? Or is just this sort of
     thing the reason why the RC got replaced?


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                      REBUTTALS TO PREVIOUS ARTICLES
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                               24 hours
                  By Michiel van der Vlist, 2:280/5555

     Dear FidoNews Editor,


     In your last FidoNews editorial you raised the question as to why
     Swedish is one of the few languages that has two words for the English
     "day". One for the period between sunrise and sunset and the other for
     the full 24 hour period. "Dag" and "dygn" in Swedish.

     As to the why so few languages have this feature, that would be
     speculation on my part. I can however report that you are not alone.
     Dutch has a similar distinction. There is "dag" which means pretty
     much the same as the English "day". It can either be the period during
     sunrise and sunset as in "day and night" or it could be a 24 hour
     period, as in "seven days in a week".

     When explicitly specifying a 24 hour period we use the word "etmaal".

     The word isn't used all that much in day to day life and I was not a
     100% sure about it's exact meaning so I consulted the book shelf.

     My two dictionaries are a bit sparse on the details. Under "etmaal"
     they merely say "a period of 24 hours". My encyclopaedia has nothing
     to say on the matter. So I take it the Dutch word "etmaal" means /any/
     24 hour period, not just the interval between two midnights.

     In Frisian there is the word "etmiel" or "etmel". That may suggest a
     celtic origin. OTOH, it may just be borrowed form the Dutch.

     Some further study revealed that the Spanish know the term
     "singladura" as a nautical term for 24 hours.


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                              EDITOR'S CORNER
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                         Russian characters

     A couple of weeks ago, someone asked, in the Fidonews echo, how to do
     to be able to show those Russian characters, that occasionally occurs
     even in international echoes.

        There are a couple of special programs that can be used, but
     actually you can manage just fine with standard MS-DOS. The following
     description is for a DOS-box in Windows 98, but should work just fine
     with most flavours of MS-DOS and it's clones.

        In CONFIG.SYS you need to have a line similar to this:

     devicehigh=D:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\display.sys con=(,,5)

        And then, in your AUTOEXEC.BAT (or, if you prefer, put it in
     another batch file that is run before your DOS box is opened) you put
     the following:

     mode con cp prep=((866,852,855,850,437) D:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\ega3.cpi)
     mode con cp sel=437

        Ignore some error message complaining over the keyboard not
     supporting the codepage or whatever junk is coming up.

        Now all you have to do to display the Russian characters is shell
     down to DOS from your editor/reader and give the command:

     mode con cp sel=866

        ...and when you want your old codepage back you write:

     mode con cp sel=437

        Obviously you'd better prepare a batch file that has this line:

     mode con cp sel=%1

        ...so you can more easily switch between codepages.


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                      FIDONET'S INTERNATIONAL KITCHEN
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                          Japanese Kamaboko

          10 oz Firm white fish, debone/skin
           2 ea Egg whites
         1/4 c  Sake
           2 tb Sugar
           1 ts Salt
         1/8 ts White pepper
         1/3 c  Cornstarch
         1/2 c  Dashi
           1 ea Egg for eggwash, 1 ts sake

       Ever seen those pretty fish rolls with the pink or green exterior?
     This is them, sans the added food coloring.

       Using a food processor is almost required for this one but the
     Japanese use a hand type, not electric.  Chop the fish to a paste then
     add the egg whites.  Mix the sake and sugar untl the sugar is desolved
     then add to the fish mix.  Season with the salt and pepper. Add the
     cornstarch to the dashi until it is disolved then add to the processor
     and let mix until all is well blended.

       Lay the fish out on a Maki-su (bamboo mat, also called sushi mat) if
     you have one, with a towel or cheese cloth underneath.  If you dont
     have the mat, dont despair as it will taste the same rolled on wax
     paper, just not be as pretty shaped.  Remove from Maki-su (or wax
     paper) leaving cheese cloth or towel on, and place in a steamer for 30
     mins.  Let cool 30-60 mins on a rack before removing outer cloth
     covering.

       Mix the egg-wash by adding the egg, teaspoon of Sake, and a pinch of
     sugar (food coloring too if desired), and brush this on with a pastry
     brush then broil a few seconds a few inches from the heat, watching to
     make sure it doesnt burn.

       Thats all!  Glaze set too.

       From the kitchen of:  xxcarol


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                            CLEAN HUMOR & JOKES
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                       BASTARD OPERATOR FROM HELL #13

     I'm busy with my new shell replacement login script, and it's almost
     foolproof. Let's just say it pops up with:

     "Yes means No and No means Yes.  Delete all files [Y]? "

     upon login.  I'm really starting to worry about the number of account
     breakins we've been having recently....  The manager isn't though. His
     main concern appears to be the number of computer-related fatalities
     on campus.  Funny world, isn't it?

     I flip the excuse card.  "DOPPLER EFFECT"   Sounds implausible enough
     that it's plausable - with a little work of course.

     The phone, the bane of my existance, rings.

     "Hello, Computer Room"  I say, being helpful

     "Is this the Technicians?" The caller asks.

     Amazing the number of deaf people that use these things.  What the
     hell, I'm bored..

     "Yes it is" I lie (Nixon could've done with me)

     "I've got a problem with my floppy drive, it doesn't seem to be
     reading all the time"

     "Hmmm.  How old is the drive?"

     "About a year.."

     "And it sometimes fails and sometimes works, but it's starting to fail
     more and more?"

     "YES!"

     "Yeah, it's the Doppler effect of magnetism.."

     "I thought that only happened with light and sound?"

     Bullshit mode ON<

     "Yes, well it's been found that on a spinning surface, like a disk,
     the particle's magnetic alignment changes, especially when the head is
     stationary and slightly magnetised in respect to it."

     "Duh.  Oh"

     "So, what you need to do is to demagnetise the head.  Have you got a
     disk head demagnetising loop?"
     FIDONEWS 19-16               Page 14                  22 Apr 2002


     "Uh....  No?"

     "OK, we'll have to do it the hard way.  Have you got your original
     diskettes for your software?"

     "Yeah."

     "Right, chuck them in the drive, one by one, and format them."

     "WHAT?!"

     "Don't worry, it won't work - remember the drive is failing.  All that
     happens is that the virgin magnetic field of the disks realigns the
     magnetic field of the head, because they weren't written by a doppler
     effected drive."

     "Oh, yeah!"

     "So, when it gives you a write error and asks if you want to continue,
     you say yes.  Do it with all your original diskettes, then, to
     complete the demagnetising process, run a head cleaning diskette
     through the drive as well, which will pick up the stray magenetic
     particles clinging to the head."

     "Oh.  Ok. Thanks"

     "Don't thank me - IT'S MY JOB"

     I put the phone down, it rings again.  It's the big boss.

     "Simon, could you come to my office please?"

     ALERT!<

     Quick as I can, I press the panic button on our LAN-Analyser, or to be
     more precise, the "Generate 90% random traffic" button

     "Sure, would you like me to come now, or..

     The other phone rings.  I chuck it on hands free

     "Hello, Computer Room, Simon Here, How can I help?"

     "THE NETWORK IS DOWN, ALL OUR PCS HAVE SHIT THEMSELVES!" the voice on
     hands -free screams into the mouthpeice of the other phone

     "I see" I say calmly  "Yes, our Monitor shows it up, it looks to be a
     bad segment of thinwire - please hold the line while I unplug it"

     I press the "I just got a raise" button (AKA "Stop Traffic
     Generation") on the Lan Analyser, and almost immediately the user
     shouts back "Excellent, it's working now, thanks"

     "That's ok, don't mention it.  Have a nice day"

     The big-boss has been listening to all this, so I reckon that the trip
     FIDONEWS 19-16               Page 15                  22 Apr 2002


     to his office won't be so bad after all.  I tell him I'll be right
     down as soon as I secure the net and hang up.  On the way down, I
     invent a new buzzword which always keep management happy.  Complete
     Transient Lockout.  Sounds much better than pulling the plug.  Like
     Master-Reset sounds better than off-switch.

     I get to his office and the staffing officer is there too.  Uh-oh.

     "Simon - How would you like to be our System Manager?"

     ?!!!

     "Well... I don't know, I like that hands on.."

     "Extra 10 grand a year, Varisty Car.."

     "Monaro?"

     "Ok"

     "Sold!"

             ....And so ends the saga, as it should have at #10.


     -----------------------------------------------------------------

                                Post WWIII
                         By Petko Bossakov, 2:535/1
                         (snipped from ENET.SYSOP)

     An American died, went to heaven and got to meet God. While they were
     chatting, the man asked:

     - God, there's one thing I'm really anxious to learn. Will there be a
       World War 3?

     - Yes.

     - Oh. And will humanity survive it?

     - Yes.

     - Will there still be Americans after it?

     - Yes.

     - How about their way of life? Will there still be Coca-Cola?

     - Yes.

     - And how much will it cost?

     - 5 rubles.


     FIDONEWS 19-16               Page 16                  22 Apr 2002


     -----------------------------------------------------------------

                         The Czech and the lawyer
                    By Warren Bonner <wdbonner@pacbell.net>

     A guy from Czechoslovakia was visiting his cousin a lawyer in
     California, and they went for a hike in Yellowstone Park. While they
     were hiking they were attacked by 2 bears, one male and one female.

     The male bear dismembered and ate the Czechoslovakian guy, but the
     lawyer managed to escape.

     He ran straight to the nearest Rangers station, and told them what had
     happened, and they sent out a group of rangers to see what was going
     on.

     Sure enough, the Rangers arrived at the place that the lawyer
     mentioned, and there were the female and the male bears. So one of the
     Rangers took his rifle and shot the female.

     The lawyer turned to the ranger and asked "Why did you shoot the
     female? - it was the male that ate my friend"

     So the Ranger replies "Would you believe a lawyer if he told you that
     the Czech is in the male?"

     Warm Regards,
     Ol'wdb

     -----------------------------------------------------------------

     FIDONEWS 19-16               Page 17                  22 Apr 2002


     =================================================================
                 TODD COCHRANE'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING
     =================================================================


                             Fidonet Software List
                                By Todd Cochrane
     Type:

     B=BBS  D=Door  M=Mailer  T=Tosser   C=Communication (terminal)
     U=Utility  P=Point Software  I=Internet (telnet, BinkP...)

     <+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+=-=+=-=-+-=-=+=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+>
     (   Software Name     ) |Type| (         Author/Contact              )
     <+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+=-=|=-=-|-=-=+=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+>
     |BBBS Home Page         |B   | b@bbbs.net                            |
     |                       |    | www.bbbs.net/                         |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |ELEBBS The Elevator    |B   | elebbs@elebbs.com                     |
     |Software Production    |    | www.elebbs.com                        |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Hermes II Project      |B   | info@HermesII.org                     |
     |                       |    | http://www.hermesii.org/              |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Maximus BBS Support    |B   | sales@lainus.com                      |
     |Page (Non Official)    |    | http://www.vector11.com/maximus/      |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |MBSE BBS               |B   | Michiel Broek                         |
     |                       |    | mbroek@users.sourceforge.net          |
     |                       |    | http://mbse.sourceforge.net           |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Mystic BBS             |B   | http://www.mysticbbs.com/mystic/      |
     |                       |    |                                       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Nexus Bulletin         |B   | groberts@nexusbbs.net                 |
     |Board System           |    | http://www.nexusbbs.net/              |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Proboard, Searchlight, |BC  | info@telegrafix.com                   |
     |Telegrafix             |    | http://www.telegrafix.com             |
     |Communications         |    | 540-678-4050                          |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |RemoteAccess           |B   | Bruce Morse                           |
     |Central                |    | bfmorse@rapro.com                     |
     |                       |    | http://www.rapro.com/                 |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Spitfire BBS           |B   | MDWoltz@AOL.COM                       |
     |Buffalo Creek Software |    |http://www.angelfire.com/ia/buffalo/   |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Synchronet BBS         |BT  | sysop@vert.synchro.net                |
     |                       |    | http://www.synchro.net                |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Telegard BBS           |B   | support@telegard.net                  |
     |                       |    | http://www.telegard.net/              |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Wildcat Interactive    |BTMI| sales@santronics.com                  |
     |Net Server             |    | http://www.santronics.com             |
     FIDONEWS 19-16               Page 18                  22 Apr 2002


     |Plantinum Express      |    |(305)248-3204                          |
     |                       |    | Santronics Inc.                       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Bentstone Capabilities |D   | info@stonebenders.com                 |
     |Group                  |    | http://www.srupc.com/mall             |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Jibben Software        |D   | scott@jibben.com                      |
     |                       |    | http://www.jibbensoftware.com/        |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |JNS Software Door Games|D   | Rusty Johnson                         |
     |                       |    | rustyjohnson57@hotmail.com            |
     |                       |    | 304-733-0113                          |
     |                       |    | http://www.geocities.com/jnssoftware/ |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Legend Of The Red      |D   |                                       |
     |Dragon Reborn          |    |                                       |
     |(L.O.R.D.)             |    | http://www.lordlegacy.org/            |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |PC Pursuits            |D   |brucep@pop.kis.net                     |
     |                       |    |(301)240-6653                          |
     |                       |    |http://www.pcpursuits.com/products.htm |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |S and T Software       |D   |Mark Bappe                             |
     |                       |    |mark.bappe@bozax.iainc.net             |
     |                       |    |(770)788-6843                          |
     |                       |    |http://bozax.iainc.net/public/         |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Shinning Star BBS Doors|D   |nannette@shiningstar.net               |
     |                       |    |http://www.shiningstar.net/bbsdoors/   |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Sunrise Door Software  |D   |Al Lawerence                           |
     |                       |    |al@sunrisedoors.com                    |
     |                       |    |(404)256-9518                          |
     |                       |    |http://www.sunrisedoors.com/           |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |The Brainex System     |D   |info@brainex.com                       |
     |                       |    |http://www.brainex.com/brainex_system/ |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Trade Wars Door Game   |D   |jpritch@eisonline.com                  |
     |                       |    |http://www.eisonline.com/tradewars/    |
     |                       |    |1:299/110                              |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Vagabond Software      |D   |Bryan Turner                           |
     |                       |    |vagabond@darktech.org                  |
     |                       |    |http://vagabond.virtualave.net/        |
     |                       |    |1:124/7013                             |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |FMail Support          |T   |wijnstra@fmail.nl.eu.org               |
     |                       |    |http://fmail.nl.eu.org/                |
     |                       |    |2:280/1076                             |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Squish Tosser          |T   |http://www.lanius.com/squish.htm       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Argus RITLABS          |M   |argus@ritlabs.com                      |
     |                       |    |373-2-246889                           |
     |                       |    |http://www.ritlabs.com/argus/          |
     FIDONEWS 19-16               Page 19                  22 Apr 2002


     |                       |    |2:469/84                               |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |FrontDoor              |MTPC|Definite Solutions                     |
     |FrontDoor APX          |    |sales@defsol.se                        |
     |Mailer/Point Software  |    |http://www.defsol.se/                  |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |BeeMail Home Page      |M   |http://beemail.gexonline.net           |
     |                       |    |Stephen Proffit                        |
     |                       |    |1:211/405                              |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |BinkleyTerm XE         |M   |http://btxe.sourceforge.net/           |
     |Frontend Mailer        |    |                                       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |BinkD                  |MI  |maloff@corbina.net                     |
     |                       |    |http://2f.ru/binkd/                    |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Fidogate               |UIT |Martin_Junius@m-j-s.net                |
     |                       |    |http://www.fidogate.org/               |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Fidonet to Internet    |IM  |Bo Bendtsen                            |
     |Mailer                 |    |sales@terminate.com                    |
     |                       |    |http://www.terminate.com/fido2int.htm  |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |GiGo Software          |UI  |http://www.gigo.com/                   |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Internet Rex           |IM  |cruden@cs.ualberta.ca                  |
     |                       |    |http://plaza.v-wave.com/InternetRex/   |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Tmail                  |IM  |http://www.tmail.spb.ru/index-19.htm   |
     |(Russian /w English DL)|    |                                       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |TransX Multiboard      |M   |support@multiboard.com                 |
     |Communications Inc.    |    |http://www.multiboard.com/software/    |
     |                       |    |transx.html                            |
     |                       |    |1:2401/305                             |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |TransNet               |I   |transnet@ressl.com.ar                  |
     |                       |    |http://www.ressl.com.ar/transnet/      |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Watergate              |I   |ramon@sbbs.se                          |
     |                       |    |http://www2.sbbs.se/hp/ramon/          |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |JetSys-Home of JetMail |TU  |http://www.jetsys.de/                  |
     |JetStat and other Atari|    |                                       |
     |Fidonet utilities      |    |                                       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |APoint (Author)        |P   |http://www.apoint.websale.net/index.htm|
     |                       |    |http://www.apoint-mail.de (Co-Autho)   |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |CrossPoint             |P   |("Original" version)                   |
     |                       |    |http://www.crosspoint.de               |
     |                       |    |http://www.apoint-mail.de              |
     |                       |    |(OpenXP Projekt)                       |
     |                       |    |http://www.openxp.com (English)        |
     |                       |    |http://www.openxp.de (German)          |
     |                       |    |CrossPoint (XP2 Team)                  |
     FIDONEWS 19-16               Page 20                  22 Apr 2002


     |                       |    |http://www.xp2.de                      |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |WinPoint95             |P   |http://www.schenksmir.de/wp/english    |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |The OpenXP CrossPoint  |P   |http://www.happyarts.de/xp             |
     |Projekt                |    |                                       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Terminate Terminal     |P   |http://www.terminate.com               |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |PPoint-FTS compatible  |P   |http://www.alcuf.ca/ppoint.htm         |
     |E-Mail System          |    |                                       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     \====================================================================/

     -----------------------------------------------------------------

     FIDONEWS 19-16               Page 21                  22 Apr 2002


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               Fidonet Via Internet Hubs provided by FidoTel.com



     Node#      | Operator          | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate
                |                   |                |latency|
     -----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
     Zone 1     |                   |                |       |
       10/3     | Brenda Donovan    | FTP,UUE,BinkP  | 384K,30| n/c
       10/345   | Todd Cochrane     | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,!  | n/c
       18/500   | Ross Cassell      | FTP, BinkP     |128K+,!| n/c
      103/5     | Mark Luetger      | BinkP          | CABLE | n/c
      103/301   | Joe Jared         | BinkP,FTP,NFS  | 384k,!| n/c
      103/401   | Warren Bonner     | BinkP          | aDSL,!| n/c
      105/8     | Russ Johnson      | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k  | n/c
      105/72    | Larry James       | FTP, BinkP     | aDSL  | $50/yr
      106/1     | Steve Loupe       | BinkP, FTP     | 768k  | FREE
      106/2000  | Bob Juge        | BinkP VMoT FTP TX| ???   | n/c
      106/6018  | Lawrence Garvin   | FTP, VMoT      | aDSL,60| n/c
      107/453   | Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo.
      134/11    | Michael Grant  | FTP, BinkP, VMoT UUE, IFCICO,TransX
                                                    aDSL, 60 | n/c
      138/146   | Marc Blakely      | BinkP,FTP      | ???   | n/c
      140/1     | Bob Seaborn       | FTP,BinkP      | T3,30 | $5/$16
      142/906   | Chris Griffin     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      150/220   | Dave Nemeth       | UUE            | ???   | n/c
     FIDONEWS 19-16               Page 23                  22 Apr 2002


      153/7715  | Dallas Hinton     | BinkD, FTP     | CABLE | ???
      167/133   | Stephen Monteith  | BinkP          | 128k+ | n/c
      167/166   | Jesse Dooling     | POP? UUE TX FTP| ???   | n/c
      218/109   | Matt Munson       | BinkP,UUE,TX   | 33.6k | n/c
      220/10    | groberts|nexusbbs.net |BinkP,FTP,UUE|1.5M+ | n/c
      229/1     | Phil Simpson      | BinkP UUE FTP  | ???   | n/c
      229/2000  | Robert Couture    |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ???   |
      229/622   | Dave Hamilton     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      249/116   | Carl Austin Bennett | FTP, UUE    |ADSL,60 | n/c
      250/98    | Darin McBride     | BinkP FTP TX   | ???   | n/c
      250/99    | Brent McLaren     | FTP BinkP      | ???   | n/c
      250/102   | Darin McBride     | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
      267/169   | Philip Lozier     | FTP TX         | ???   | n/c
      261/1380  | Joe Davis         | UUE TX         | ???   | n/c
      275/311   | Shannon Talley|FTP,BinkP,FTP,VMoT,QWK| T1  |n/c
      280/169   | Brian Greenstreet | FTP            | 33.6  | $2mo.
      297/11    | Michael McCabe    | TX             | ???   | n/c
      323/120   | Craig Healy       | VMoT FTP       | ???   | n/c
      342/3     | Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP      | 128K+ | n/c
      360/5     | Bennie Hutto      | FTP VMoT       | aDSL  | n/c
      379/1     | Dale Ross         | FTP, BinkP,UUE | 256K+,! n/c
      379/1200  | Chris Cranford    | BinkP FTP TX   | ???   | n/c
      395/670   | Arthur Stark      | BinkP VMoT FTP | ???   | n/c
      396/45    | Marc Lewis        |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ADSL  | n/c
      396/48    | Ben Ritchey       | UUE:BFDS?      | 33.6k | n/c
     2215/300   | Dennis Haddox     | UUE,TX         | CABLE | n/c
     2320/38    | Janis Kracht      | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
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     2604/104   | Jim Mclaughlin    | FTP,VMoT,UUE   | 33.6  | $1mo
     2624/306   | David Calafrancesco  | VMoT        | 33.6  | n/c
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     3407/4     | Robert Todd    |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
     3632/84    | Robert Todd    |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
     3830/5     | Jeff Schrunk      |BinkP FTP TX UUE| ???   | n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 2     |
       20/11    | Henrik Lindhe     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       22/222   | Kim Heino         | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       28/1     | Lody Caenen       | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
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      203/600   | Mikael Karlsson   |BinkP,FTP,TX,UUE| 512k  | n/c
      211/37    | Torbjorn Mohn     | BinkP          | 8/2mb | n/c
      221/360   | Tommi Koivula     | BinkP,UUE      | ???   | n/c
      236/205   | Michael Kaaber    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      240/6298  | Steve Tell        | BinkP UUE      | ???   | n/c
      246/2098  | Volker Imre       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      252/110   | David Rance       | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      255/90    | Simon Avery       | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      263/950   | Sean Rima         | TX UUE         | ???   | n/c
     FIDONEWS 19-16               Page 24                  22 Apr 2002


      280/1027  | Lukas de Groen    | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
      280/1601  | Jeroen VanDeLeur  | FTP,UUE        | 64k   | n/c
      280/4312  | Jos Huijnen   | BinkP ifcico UUE TX| ???   | n/c
      280/5003  | Kees van Eeten    | BinkP ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      292/620   | Eddy Missoul      | VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 64k   | n/c
      292/624   | Steven Leeman     | UUE            | 64k   | n/c
      292/854   | Ward Dossche      | BinkP UUE TX   | ???   | n/c
      292/907   | Bart Verhaeghe    | BinkP,VMoT,UUE | 64K   | n/c
      292/2003  | Eric Vaneberck    | BinkP          | 768k  | n/c
      301/1     | Peter Witschi     | BinkP          | 768k  | n/c
      332/807   | Roberto Mascolo   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      333/0     | M Gianformaggio   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      335/534   | Mario Mure        | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k   | n/c
      335/610   | Gino Lucrezi      | UUE            | 33.6  | n/c
      341/14    | Rafael Suarez     | BinkP VMoT     | ???   | n/c
      341/51    | Jose.Maria Tejada | VMoT           |       |
      341/66    | Angel Ripoll      | VMoT           |       |
      343/168   | Jose Casanova     | VMoT           |       |
      344/201   | Julio Garcia      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      346/3     | Carlos Navarro    | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      347/1     | Javi Polo         | UUE            |       |
      348/105   | Alejandro Estraviz| BinkP UUE      |       |
      382/100   | Sinisa Burina     | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      400/555   | Ofir Michaeli     | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      400/557   | Marius Kaizerman  | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      423/81    | Milos Bajer       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      461/256   | Andrew Rutkas     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      461/640   | Alex Semenyaka    |BinkP ifcico UUE| ???   | n/c
      465/204   | Va Milushnikov    | BinkP          | 33.6k | n/c
      469/84    | Max Masyutin      | VMoT           | 256k  | n/c
      469/128   | Oleg Vasenyoff    | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      480/112   | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k  | n/c
      550/4077  | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE            | ----- | n/c
     2410/201   | Karsten Ebeling   | BinkP UUE      | ???   | n/c
     2411/413   | Dennis Dittrich   | UUE,BinkP      | 64k   | n/c
     2432/200   | Sven Dueker       | BinkP TX UUE   | ???   | n/c
     2446/301   | Lothar Behet  | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K   | n/c
     2474/275   | Christian Emig    | UUE            | 64k   | unkn
     2487/3000  | Steffen Gross     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5002/5002  | Victor Belyakov   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5014/4     | Alex Bagmanov     | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5020/52    | Peter Didenko     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5020/54    | Serge Wizgounoff  | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5020/69    | B Chernivetsky    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5020/238   | Sergey Gubanov    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5030/115   | Andrey Podkolzin  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5030/1251  | K Stepanekov      | UUE            | ???   | n/c
     5100/8     | Egons Bush        | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5020/1159  | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE          | 33.6  | n/c
     5049/12    | Amir Shabashvili  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5054/3     | Andrew Popov      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5080/80    | Eugene Zorin      | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5083/21    | Alexander Uskov   | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5090/2     | Andrew Titov      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5100/8     | Egons Bush        | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     FIDONEWS 19-16               Page 25                  22 Apr 2002


     Zone 3
      633/260   | Malcolm Miles     | FTP,BinkP      | 64K   | n/c
      640/954   | Rick Van Ruth     | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c
      712/311   | Bob James         | TX             | ???   | n/c
      774/605   | Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 4
      801/161   | Renato Zambon     | UUE            | 33.6  |n/c
      902/18    | Javier Tejedor    | UUE            | 33,6  | n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 6
       65/3000  | Lawrence Fan      | UUE            | 33600 | free
      653/1009  | Maorong Chen      | UUE            | ???   | free
      654/0     | Bin Li            | UUE,BinkP      | 33600 | free
      654/1501  | Lawrence Fan      | UUE,BinkP      | 28800 | free

     --
     * FTP    = Internet File Transfer Protocol
     * VMoT   = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
     * UUE    = uuencode<->email type transfers
     * BinkP  = front end mailer for TCPIP networks
     * TX     = TransX
     * NFS    = Linux Networking
     * ifcico = ifcico-compatible virtual mailer
     * QWK    = Quick Packets/Offline mailer "networking" capable
     ----------------------------------------------
     Fidonet oriented news servers

     news.fidotel.com (currently offline)
     news.osirusoft.com
     news.tardis.net
     nntp://fido.bitsoft.ro
     nntp://bbs.bitsoft.ro

     Fidonet oriented chat rooms.

     room #fidonet  5PM (PDT 11AM GMT) Sundays
     irc.osirusoft.com  (Peers wanted)
     irc.sinoptix.ro : malay, chinesse, english, #fido, #fidonet, #wwb
     irc.bitsoft.ro : 6667 russian, english, hebrew, #fido, #wwb
     irc.tsua.net : 6668 russian, english #fido


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                             SPECIAL INTEREST
     =================================================================

                         Nodelist Stats

      Input nodelist  nodelist.109
                size  960.8kb
                date  2002-04-19

      The nodelist has   8424 nodes in it
        and a total of  10959 non-comment entries

              including     6 zones
                           63 regions
                          401 hosts
                          592 hubs
         admin overhead  1062 ( 12.61 %)

                    and   838 private nodes
                          294 nodes down
                          341 nodes on hold
      off line overhead  1473 ( 17.49 %)


      Speed summary:

               >9600 =    924 ( 10.97 %)
                9600 =   7011 ( 83.23 %)
                              (HST  =  163 or   2.32 %)
                              (CSP  =    1 or   0.01 %)
                              (PEP  =   12 or   0.17 %)
                              (MAX  =    0 or   0.00 %)
                              (HAY  =    1 or   0.01 %)
                              (V32  = 4082 or  58.22 %)
                              (V32B =  508 or   7.25 %)
                              (V34  = 4743 or  67.65 %)
                              (V42  = 3856 or  55.00 %)
                              (V42B =  530 or   7.56 %)
                2400 =     89 (  1.06 %)
                1200 =      7 (  0.08 %)
                 300 =    393 (  4.67 %)

                ISDN =   1034 ( 12.27 %)

     ----------------------------------------------------------
      File Req Flag   Applicable software     Number of systems
     ----------------------------------------------------------
      XA              Frontdoor <1.99b             3227
                      Frontdoor  2.02+
                      Dutchie 2.90c
                      Binkleyterm >2.1
                      D'Bridge <1.3
                      TIMS
                      Xenia
     --------------------------------------
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      XB              Binkleyterm 2.0                 7
                      Dutchie 2.90b
     --------------------------------------
      XC              Opus 1.1                        9
     --------------------------------------
      XP              Seadog                          6
     --------------------------------------
      XR              Opus 1.03                      60
     --------------------------------------
      XW              Fido >12M                     286
                      Tabby
                      KittenMail
     --------------------------------------
      XX              D'Bridge 1.30                3649
                      Frontdoor 1.99b
                      Intermail 2.01
                      T-Mail
     --------------------------------------
      None            QMM                          1180
     --------------------------------------

      CrashMail capable =   3010 ( 35.73 %)
      MailOnly nodes    =   4387 ( 52.08 %)
      Listed-only nodes =    608 (  7.22 %)
      Other             =    419 (  4.97 %)

      [Report produced by NETSTATS - A PD pgm available from 1:106/100]
      [                                 Revised by B Felten, 2:203/208]

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