     The  F I D O N E W S      Volume 19, Number 11             18 Mar 2002 
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            Copyright 2002 by Fidonews Editor for Fidonews Globally.


                        Table of Contents
     1. FOOD FOR THOUGHT  .........................................  1
     2. INSIDE  ...................................................  2
        The Fidonews at a Glance  .................................  2
     3. GENERAL ARTICLES  .........................................  3
        Netiquette: Replying to messages  .........................  3
     4. FIDONET'S INTERNATIONAL KITCHEN  ..........................  7
        Japanese Stuffed Squid  ...................................  7
     5. CLEAN HUMOR & JOKES  ......................................  8
        BASTARD OPERATOR FROM HELL #9  ............................  8
        Tithing  ..................................................  9
     6. TODD COCHRANE'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING  ................. 11
        Fidonet Software List  .................................... 11
     7. FIDONET BY INTERNET  ...................................... 15
        Fidonet-related sites  .................................... 15
     8. SPECIAL INTEREST  ......................................... 20
        Nodelist Stats  ........................................... 20
     9. FIDONEWS INFORMATION  ..................................... 22
        How to Submit an Article  ................................. 22
        Credits, Legal Infomation, Availability  .................. 23
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                             FOOD FOR THOUGHT
     =================================================================

            "Tact is the art of convincing people,
             that they know more than you do."


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     =================================================================
                                  INSIDE
     =================================================================

                          The Fidonews at a Glance

     This week the number of contributions was zero! Not one single article
     has been sent in. I hope you forgive this editor if he finds it
     difficult to find the inspiration for writing an editorial...

        All I can offer, beside Carols Japanese Kitchen, where she's
     cooking "Japanese Stuffed Squid" and a joke from Ol'Wdb "to keep
     handy" as he expressed it, called "Tithing" plus the ninth episode of
     "Bastard Operator From Hell", is a text, that I saved from a Fidonet
     Echo, and that I think deserves a better destiny than just to be
     ignored by the handful of remaining writers in the echo, that seem to
     be completely occupied by bashing each other. It's a text about
     "Netiquette: Replying to messages" from as far away as South Africa.


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     =================================================================
                             GENERAL ARTICLES
     =================================================================


       HOW TO REPLY TO MESSAGES - SOME SUGGESTIONS FOR NETIQETTE

                     By: Stephen Hayes, 5:7106/20
                  Khanya BBS, Pretoria, South Africa


     With the growth of the Internet, there are many newcomers to
     electronic communications, who are unfamiliar with the culture and
     etiquette (called netiquette) of electronic messaging.

     One of the things that often causes problems for newcomers (newbies)
     is replying to messages.

     Here is the way most experienced users reply to messages in
     "many-to-many" electronic forums -- Usenet newsgroups, BBS con-
     ferences, and e-mail mailing lists. Some forums are available in all
     three formats, and are gated from one to the other.

     You read these messages with a "Reader", which may be a mail reader, a
     newsreader, an offline reader, or it may be called a "message editor".
     Each of these has different ways of doing things, but when you reply
     to a message you should get a copy of the message with the original
     text preceded by a "greater than" sign, like this:

     > Can anyone help me? I am looking for a widget
     > produced by the XYZ manufacturing company. Are
     > they still in business.

     Some readers, especially BBS ones, will put the initials of the sender
     of the original message before the "greater than" sign. So if the
     sender was John Smith, the quoted text will appear like this:

     JS> Can anyone help me? I am looking for a widget
     JS> produced by the XYZ manufacturing company. Are
     JS> they still in business.

     Most readers will display such text in a different colour, so it is
     easy to see who wrote what. This process is usually called "reply
     quoting".

     When displaying the quoted text your message editor should also put
     the cursor at the top of the quoted text.

     What you do next is the important part.

     If the quoted text consists of several paragraphs, scroll down through
     it and delete the parts you are NOT replying to. If you delete several
     paragraphs that are significant for the argument, it is polite to put

     <SNIP>

     FIDONEWS 19-11               Page 4                   18 Mar 2002


     on a line on its own, separated by spaces, to show that you are not
     ignoring the argument.

     When you reach a paragraph to which you want to make a specific reply,
     leave a BLANK LINE after the quoted paragraph, and begin your reply
     there.

     If you do not leave a blank line, and if you do not use the "greater
     than" sign to mark quoted test, many message readers will not be able
     to distinguish between the various parts of the message. If you want
     to *communicate*, and get useful replies to messages, follow these
     guidelines to make it easy for those who read your messages. If you
     make it easier, you are more likely to get constructive and useful
     replies.

     -- Example begins --

     > Can anyone help me? I am looking for a widget
     > produced by the XYZ manufacturing company. Are
     > they still in business.

     The XYZ company went bankrupt in 1623, but their products are still
     stocked by the QRM Company whose e-mail address is qrm@obsolete.com.

     -- Example ends --

     Note that the answer to the question should follow the question.
     Putting the answer before the question is called "top posting", and is
     bad manners (bad netiquette).

     If you reply in the manner shown above, it is easy for anyone reading
     the message to see what the question is, and what question the answer
     is supposed to be answering.

     That will make it easy someone who didn't see the original question,
     but who has more information on the topic, to contribute more
     information.

     -- Example begins --


     >> Can anyone help me? I am looking for a widget
     >> produced by the XYZ manufacturing company. Are
     >> they still in business.

     > The XYZ company went bankrupt in 1623, but their products
     > are still stocked by the QRM Company whose e-mail address is
     > qrm@obsolete.com.

     I have had better service from the DQX Company, who not only
     distribute and service the Widgets, but are also developing
     a better product, which will be called a Super-widget. Contact
     them at dqx@updated.com.

     -- Example ends --

     FIDONEWS 19-11               Page 5                   18 Mar 2002


     Top posting separates these elements, sometimes with a lot of
     irrelevant material in between, which makes it much harder to follow
     the thread of the discussion.

     If you separate the parts with a lot of irrelevant text, as top-
     posting does, you will just annoy readers, and their attention will be
     more on the bad formatting of your message than on its content, and so
     you are less likely to get useful replies.

     Some general guidelines for posting and replying

     When you post a message or reply to one in a "many-to-many" electronic
     forum, whether it is a newsgroup, an e-mail mailing list or a BBS
     conference (echo), the following guidelines are not only good
     netiquette, but will make communication easier.

       1) Make sure that MIME encoding and HTML are switched off in
           your message reader/editor.
       2) Snip all parts of the message that you are not replying to.
           Some message readers/editors can be set to warn you if
           quoted text is more than a certain percentage of your rep-
           ly. If the quoted text is more than 70% of your reply, you
           probably need to snip more. If you quote a 500-line message
           and just write "I agree" or "Rubbish", you will annoy other
           users, whether you put your comment at the beginning or the
           end. If you quote a 500 line message, you should write at
           least 200 lines in your reply, or else snip the original
           message. If you are writing a one line reply, you should
           quote no more than about 8-10 lines of the original, and
           your comments should generally FOLLOW, not precede, the
           quoted text.
       3) If you are replying to a message that has several questions
           or components, reply to each one immediately after the
           quoted question or text, so that others can see what it is
           you are replying to.

     Why do so many newbies practise "top posting"?

     When the Internet began, it linked mainly government, military and
     academic computers. The software used was designed for the purpose,
     and developed for the kind of communication that was used.

     In the late 1980s, BBSs were developed, and generally followed, and in
     some respects improved upon the Internet and Usenet model. Newsgroups
     and BBS conferences, in particular, were designed for "many-to-many"
     communication right from the start.

     In the 1990s the Internet began to go commercial, and many companies
     that produced office automation software tried to adapt that software
     to the Internet. In doing this they often produced clumsy kludges and
     workarounds. Office messaging software was designed for interoffice
     memos, which were "one-to-many", not "many-to-many" communication. The
     programs were designed for a hierarchical top-down environment, in
     which managers sent memos to their underlings, and the underlings were
     not expected to answer back.

     FIDONEWS 19-11               Page 6                   18 Mar 2002


     Many of these programs could not do reply quoting at all (da Vinci,
     early versions of WordPerfect Office). When people using these
     programs in offices began using the Internet, they were often flamed
     because they ignored netiquette, because of the shortcomings of their
     programs. Those who produced these programs added the kludges and
     workarounds, but they are still designed *primarily* to work in an
     office environment. The default settings of programs like Microsoft
     Outlook and Groupwise have the office environment in mind, with the
     boss-underling memo culture. But this culture is regarded as rude in
     the Internet and Usenet and BBS messaging environment.

     If you use an office automation product to connect to Usenet,
     therefore, check the settings to make sure they work best in the
     Usenet environment - no MIME, no HTML, no top posting, reply quoting
     with the standard "greater-than" sign at the beginning of the line.

     For more information about netiquette, see:

     http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html
     http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/8795/tiptop.html

     --
     I am developing this as a kind of faq file as a guide to newcomers to
     electronic comunications. Comments and suggestions for improvements
     are welcome. Last updated: 8 March 2002

     Steve Hayes
     Web: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/bbs.htm
          http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7783/bbs1.htm
     E-mail: hayesstw@yahoo.com



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                      FIDONET'S INTERNATIONAL KITCHEN
     =================================================================

                 Japanese Stuffed Squid

           2 lg Squid, 6 inch cavity
           1 lb Shrimp, shelled and chopped
           2 c  Bread crumbs or rice
           1 c  Chopped cabbage
           1 c  Choped leeks or green onion
         1/3 c  Fish sauce (Patis)
           1 ts Poppy seeds

       Ok, lots of variation here!  You mix all but the breadcrumbs and
     squid into a mess then add breadcrumbs til it's holding together.
     Optional, add an egg at this stage.  Stuff the squid with it then deep
     fry the whole thing to a delicate brown.  Drain over lots of paper
     towels and eat cold in slices over rice or warm it in the microwave.

       From the kitchen of:  xxcarol



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     =================================================================
                            CLEAN HUMOR & JOKES
     =================================================================

                       BASTARD OPERATOR FROM HELL #9

     I'm driving to work and I'm stuck behind this old guy, the classic
     slow driver from hell,  whose  car red-lines at 20 mph and can't take
     corners at more than 5.  I honk my horn but his hearing aid's probably
     turned way down to "whisper", so I'm stuck.

     I make a mental note of his license plate.  In fact, I did that 60
     times a minute for 15 and a half minutes.  Oh dear.. oh dear.... Looks
     like another call to the DMV Database to register a vehicle as stolen
     by out of town arms dealers...

     I get to work, flick the excuse page over.  "ELECTROMAGNETIC RADIATION
     FROM SATTELLITE DEBRIS".  Fair enough, it looks like it's going to be
     a good day.

     I log into "FUCKYOU", (the help-desk enquiries username) and go into
     mail. There's 3 new messages, the first of which is 117 lines long, so
     it's obviously a storyteller.  Shit, I hate that.  Instead of saying
     "My account needs more disk space" they tell you about how they're
     doing this bit of research for a lecturer and how it's got to be in
     yesterday, and they almost had it but their second cousing twice
     removed had a perforated herpes scab and lost a lot of blood and had
     to be rushed into hospital... etc etc.  I delete the message.

     Second message I read, but it's one of those people who can't handle
     the mail interface and send a null message, so all you get is headers.
     I reply to the message saying "No worries, we can do that by next
     tuesday".  Hope it was important.

     The last message I leave for tommorrow, because Saturday would be a
     dull day if I ever had to work then.

     The phone rings.  I thought I'd fixed that!

     I put it on hands free so I can slop some pizza into the microwave.

     "Yes" I call

     "Something's wrong with my Boot disk, I can't login to the server"

     "Have you got your disk with you?"

     "Sure!"

     I go get the disk and put it and the pizza in for 5 minutes on
     "ULTRA-NUKE".

     Six minutes later, he rings back.

     "It still doesn't work, and now my disk makes a funny noise and
     smells."
     FIDONEWS 19-11               Page 9                   18 Mar 2002


     "OH SHIT!  It's that electromagnetic radiation from satellite debris
     again!"

     "Really?  I think I heard about that!"  (What a tool!)

     "Yep, I'm sorry, you'll have to buy another disk"

     "Oh, that's ok, I don't mind, the old one was getting worn.  Thanks"

     "Sure, no worries.  And be sure to run it through our virus checker
     FDISK when you get a lot of important data on it..."

     "I will!  Thanks!"

     "That's Ok - it's my job!"

     Xcbzone is running really slow so I kill off a whole lot of database
     backends that seem to be hogging all the cpu and get back into my
     game.  Much better.

     It isn't easy on the frontline, work work work...

     I go to the cafeteria for a quick 2 hour snack - they're so nice to me
     there. They always have been, ever since that computer glitch that
     registered their kitchen as an organ recipient - very messy.  I grab a
     couple of cans of coke and some cheese things and cruise on back to
     the office via the first year computer funamentals lab.  I look in the
     window on the scene that unfolds it- self to me - a lab full of first
     years with no demonstrator.

     WELL I'LL JUST HAVE TO HELP!

     I walk on in.

     "Right, I'm your temporary replacement demonstrator and today we're
     going to put our assignments aside for half an hour to learn about the
     REMARK function, or, as it's known to the computer literate world,
     rm.."

     I should have been a teacher you know - I've got this way with
     people... ...


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                             Tithing
                        By: Warren Bonner
                     <wdbonner@pacbell.net>

     Every Sunday, a little old lady placed $2,000 in the collection plate.
     This went on for weeks until the priest, overcome by curiosity,
     approached her.

     "Sister, I couldn't help but notice that you put $2,000 a week in the
     collection plate," he stated.

     FIDONEWS 19-11               Page 10                  18 Mar 2002


     "Why yes," she replied, "every week my son sends me money, and I give
     a share to the church."

     "That's wonderful, how much does he send you?"

     "Oh, $20,000 a week."

     "Your son is very successful, what does he do for a living?"

     "He is a veterinarian," she answered.

     "That is a very honorable profession. Where does he practice?"

     "Well, he has one cat house in Las Vegas and another in Reno."

     Meow!


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                 TODD COCHRANE'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING
     =================================================================


                             Fidonet Software List
                                By Todd Cochrane
     Type:

     B=BBS  D=Door  M=Mailer  T=Tosser   C=Communication (terminal)
     U=Utility  P=Point Software  I=Internet (telnet, BinkP...)

     <+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+=-=+=-=-+-=-=+=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+>
     (   Software Name     ) |Type| (         Author/Contact              )
     <+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+=-=|=-=-|-=-=+=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+>
     |BBBS Home Page         |B   | b@bbbs.net                            |
     |                       |    | www.bbbs.net/                         |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |ELEBBS The Elevator    |B   | elebbs@elebbs.com                     |
     |Software Production    |    | www.elebbs.com                        |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Hermes II Project      |B   | info@HermesII.org                     |
     |                       |    | http://www.hermesii.org/              |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Maximus BBS Support    |B   | sales@lainus.com                      |
     |Page (Non Official)    |    | http://www.vector11.com/maximus/      |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |MBSE BBS               |B   | Michiel Broek                         |
     |                       |    | mbroek@users.sourceforge.net          |
     |                       |    | http://mbse.sourceforge.net           |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Mystic BBS             |B   | http://www.mysticbbs.com/mystic/      |
     |                       |    |                                       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Nexus Bulletin         |B   | groberts@nexusbbs.net                 |
     |Board System           |    | http://www.nexusbbs.net/              |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Proboard, Searchlight, |BC  | info@telegrafix.com                   |
     |Telegrafix             |    | http://www.telegrafix.com             |
     |Communications         |    | 540-678-4050                          |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |RemoteAccess           |B   | Bruce Morse                           |
     |Central                |    | bfmorse@rapro.com                     |
     |                       |    | http://www.rapro.com/                 |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Spitfire BBS           |B   | MDWoltz@AOL.COM                       |
     |Buffalo Creek Software |    |http://www.angelfire.com/ia/buffalo/   |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Synchronet BBS         |BT  | sysop@vert.synchro.net                |
     |                       |    | http://www.synchro.net                |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Telegard BBS           |B   | support@telegard.net                  |
     |                       |    | http://www.telegard.net/              |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Wildcat Interactive    |BTMI| sales@santronics.com                  |
     |Net Server             |    | http://www.santronics.com             |
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     |Plantinum Express      |    |(305)248-3204                          |
     |                       |    | Santronics Inc.                       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Bentstone Capabilities |D   | info@stonebenders.com                 |
     |Group                  |    | http://www.srupc.com/mall             |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Jibben Software        |D   | scott@jibben.com                      |
     |                       |    | http://www.jibbensoftware.com/        |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |JNS Software Door Games|D   | Rusty Johnson                         |
     |                       |    | rustyjohnson57@hotmail.com            |
     |                       |    | 304-733-0113                          |
     |                       |    | http://www.geocities.com/jnssoftware/ |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Legend Of The Red      |D   |                                       |
     |Dragon Reborn          |    |                                       |
     |(L.O.R.D.)             |    | http://www.lordlegacy.org/            |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |PC Pursuits            |D   |brucep@pop.kis.net                     |
     |                       |    |(301)240-6653                          |
     |                       |    |http://www.pcpursuits.com/products.htm |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |S and T Software       |D   |Mark Bappe                             |
     |                       |    |mark.bappe@bozax.iainc.net             |
     |                       |    |(770)788-6843                          |
     |                       |    |http://bozax.iainc.net/public/         |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Shinning Star BBS Doors|D   |nannette@shiningstar.net               |
     |                       |    |http://www.shiningstar.net/bbsdoors/   |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Sunrise Door Software  |D   |Al Lawerence                           |
     |                       |    |al@sunrisedoors.com                    |
     |                       |    |(404)256-9518                          |
     |                       |    |http://www.sunrisedoors.com/           |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |The Brainex System     |D   |info@brainex.com                       |
     |                       |    |http://www.brainex.com/brainex_system/ |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Trade Wars Door Game   |D   |jpritch@eisonline.com                  |
     |                       |    |http://www.eisonline.com/tradewars/    |
     |                       |    |1:299/110                              |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Vagabond Software      |D   |Bryan Turner                           |
     |                       |    |vagabond@darktech.org                  |
     |                       |    |http://vagabond.virtualave.net/        |
     |                       |    |1:124/7013                             |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |FMail Support          |T   |wijnstra@fmail.nl.eu.org               |
     |                       |    |http://fmail.nl.eu.org/                |
     |                       |    |2:280/1076                             |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Squish Tosser          |T   |http://www.lanius.com/squish.htm       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Argus RITLABS          |M   |argus@ritlabs.com                      |
     |                       |    |373-2-246889                           |
     |                       |    |http://www.ritlabs.com/argus/          |
     FIDONEWS 19-11               Page 13                  18 Mar 2002


     |                       |    |2:469/84                               |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |FrontDoor              |MTPC|Definite Solutions                     |
     |FrontDoor APX          |    |sales@defsol.se                        |
     |Mailer/Point Software  |    |http://www.defsol.se/                  |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |BeeMail Home Page      |M   |http://beemail.gexonline.net           |
     |                       |    |Stephen Proffit                        |
     |                       |    |1:211/405                              |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |BinkleyTerm XE         |M   |http://btxe.sourceforge.net/           |
     |Frontend Mailer        |    |                                       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |BinkD                  |MI  |maloff@corbina.net                     |
     |                       |    |http://2f.ru/binkd/                    |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Fidogate               |UIT |Martin_Junius@m-j-s.net                |
     |                       |    |http://www.fidogate.org/               |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Fidonet to Internet    |IM  |Bo Bendtsen                            |
     |Mailer                 |    |sales@terminate.com                    |
     |                       |    |http://www.terminate.com/fido2int.htm  |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |GiGo Software          |UI  |http://www.gigo.com/                   |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Internet Rex           |IM  |cruden@cs.ualberta.ca                  |
     |                       |    |http://plaza.v-wave.com/InternetRex/   |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Tmail                  |IM  |http://www.tmail.spb.ru/index-19.htm   |
     |(Russian /w English DL)|    |                                       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |TransX Multiboard      |M   |support@multiboard.com                 |
     |Communications Inc.    |    |http://www.multiboard.com/software/    |
     |                       |    |transx.html                            |
     |                       |    |1:2401/305                             |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |TransNet               |I   |transnet@ressl.com.ar                  |
     |                       |    |http://www.ressl.com.ar/transnet/      |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Watergate              |I   |ramon@sbbs.se                          |
     |                       |    |http://www2.sbbs.se/hp/ramon/          |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |JetSys-Home of JetMail |TU  |http://www.jetsys.de/                  |
     |JetStat and other Atari|    |                                       |
     |Fidonet utilities      |    |                                       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |APoint (Author)        |P   |http://www.apoint.websale.net/index.htm|
     |                       |    |http://www.apoint-mail.de (Co-Autho)   |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |CrossPoint             |P   |("Original" version)                   |
     |                       |    |http://www.crosspoint.de               |
     |                       |    |http://www.apoint-mail.de              |
     |                       |    |(OpenXP Projekt)                       |
     |                       |    |http://www.openxp.com (English)        |
     |                       |    |http://www.openxp.de (German)          |
     |                       |    |CrossPoint (XP2 Team)                  |
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     |                       |    |http://www.xp2.de                      |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |WinPoint95             |P   |http://www.schenksmir.de/wp/english    |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
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     Node#      | Operator          | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate
                |                   |                |latency|
     -----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
     Zone 1     |                   |                |       |
       10/3     | Brenda Donovan    | FTP,UUE,BinkP  | 384K,30| n/c
       10/345   | Todd Cochrane     | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,!  | n/c
       18/500   | Ross Cassell      | FTP, BinkP     |128K+,!| n/c
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      103/401   | Warren Bonner     | BinkP          | aDSL,!| n/c
      105/8     | Russ Johnson      | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k  | n/c
      105/72    | Larry James       | FTP, BinkP     | aDSL  | $50/yr
      106/1     | Steve Loupe       | BinkP, FTP     | 768k  | FREE
      106/2000  | Bob Juge        | BinkP VMoT FTP TX| ???   | n/c
      106/6018  | Lawrence Garvin   | FTP, VMoT      | aDSL,60| n/c
      107/453   | Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo.
      134/11    | Michael Grant  | FTP, BinkP, VMoT UUE, IFCICO,TransX
     FIDONEWS 19-11               Page 17                  18 Mar 2002


                                                    aDSL, 60 | n/c
      138/146   | Marc Blakely      | BinkP,FTP      | ???   | n/c
      140/1     | Bob Seaborn       | FTP,BinkP      | T3,30 | $5/$16
      142/906   | Chris Griffin     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      150/220   | Dave Nemeth       | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      153/7715  | Dallas Hinton     | BinkD, FTP     | CABLE | ???
      167/133   | Stephen Monteith  | BinkP          | 128k+ | n/c
      167/166   | Jesse Dooling     | POP? UUE TX FTP| ???   | n/c
      218/109   | Matt Munson       | BinkP,UUE,TX   | 33.6k | n/c
      220/10    | groberts|nexusbbs.net |BinkP,FTP,UUE|1.5M+ | n/c
      229/1     | Phil Simpson      | BinkP UUE FTP  | ???   | n/c
      229/2000  | Robert Couture    |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ???   |
      229/622   | Dave Hamilton     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      249/116   | Carl Austin Bennett | FTP, UUE    |ADSL,60 | n/c
      250/98    | Darin McBride     | BinkP FTP TX   | ???   | n/c
      250/99    | Brent McLaren     | FTP BinkP      | ???   | n/c
      250/102   | Darin McBride     | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
      267/169   | Philip Lozier     | FTP TX         | ???   | n/c
      261/1380  | Joe Davis         | UUE TX         | ???   | n/c
      275/311   | Shannon Talley|FTP,BinkP,FTP,VMoT,QWK| T1  |n/c
      280/169   | Brian Greenstreet | FTP            | 33.6  | $2mo.
      297/11    | Michael McCabe    | TX             | ???   | n/c
      323/120   | Craig Healy       | VMoT FTP       | ???   | n/c
      342/3     | Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP      | 128K+ | n/c
      360/5     | Bennie Hutto      | FTP VMoT       | aDSL  | n/c
      379/1     | Dale Ross         | FTP, BinkP,UUE | 256K+,! n/c
      379/1200  | Chris Cranford    | BinkP FTP TX   | ???   | n/c
      395/670   | Arthur Stark      | BinkP VMoT FTP | ???   | n/c
      396/45    | Marc Lewis        |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ADSL  | n/c
      396/48    | Ben Ritchey       | UUE:BFDS?      | 33.6k | n/c
     2215/300   | Dennis Haddox     | UUE,TX         | CABLE | n/c
     2320/38    | Janis Kracht      | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
     2410/400   | Gary Gilmore      | FTP BinkP      | 384K,60| n/c
     2410/213   | Kevin Bentz       | FTP, BinkP, UUE| Cable | n/c
     2604/104   | Jim Mclaughlin    | FTP,VMoT,UUE   | 33.6  | $1mo
     2624/306   | David Calafrancesco  | VMoT        | 33.6  | n/c
     3613/1275  | @ jyates@bsdi.ldl.net | UUE,FTP    | 28.8  | n/c
     3407/4     | Robert Todd    |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
     3632/84    | Robert Todd    |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
     3830/5     | Jeff Schrunk      |BinkP FTP TX UUE| ???   | n/c
     3830/10    | Matt Bedynek      |FTP, BinkD      | OC3     n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 2     |
       20/11    | Henrik Lindhe     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       22/222   | Kim Heino         | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       28/1     | Lody Caenen       | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
       31/1     | Gabriel Plutzar   | BinkP          | T1+   | n/c
       37/37    | Gabor Z. Papp     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       47/999   | Andrej Kirejev    | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
       53/558   |Vladimir Hrusca|POP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP,ifcico|2mbs|??
      201/329   | Mats Wallin       | VMoT TX        | ???   | n/c
      201/505   | Goran Eriksson    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      203/600   | Mikael Karlsson   |BinkP,FTP,TX,UUE| 512k  | n/c
      211/37    | Torbjorn Mohn     | BinkP          | 8/2mb | n/c
      221/360   | Tommi Koivula     | BinkP,UUE      | ???   | n/c
      236/205   | Michael Kaaber    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     FIDONEWS 19-11               Page 18                  18 Mar 2002


      240/6298  | Steve Tell        | BinkP UUE      | ???   | n/c
      246/2098  | Volker Imre       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      252/110   | David Rance       | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      255/90    | Simon Avery       | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      263/950   | Sean Rima         | TX UUE         | ???   | n/c
      280/1027  | Lukas de Groen    | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
      280/1601  | Jeroen VanDeLeur  | FTP,UUE        | 64k   | n/c
      280/4312  | Jos Huijnen   | BinkP ifcico UUE TX| ???   | n/c
      280/5003  | Kees van Eeten    | BinkP ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      292/620   | Eddy Missoul      | VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 64k   | n/c
      292/624   | Steven Leeman     | UUE            | 64k   | n/c
      292/854   | Ward Dossche      | BinkP UUE TX   | ???   | n/c
      292/907   | Bart Verhaeghe    | BinkP,VMoT,UUE | 64K   | n/c
      292/2003  | Eric Vaneberck    | BinkP          | 768k  | n/c
      301/1     | Peter Witschi     | BinkP          | 768k  | n/c
      332/807   | Roberto Mascolo   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      333/0     | M Gianformaggio   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      335/534   | Mario Mure        | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k   | n/c
      335/610   | Gino Lucrezi      | UUE            | 33.6  | n/c
      341/14    | Rafael Suarez     | BinkP VMoT     | ???   | n/c
      341/51    | Jose.Maria Tejada | VMoT           |       |
      341/66    | Angel Ripoll      | VMoT           |       |
      343/168   | Jose Casanova     | VMoT           |       |
      344/201   | Julio Garcia      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      346/3     | Carlos Navarro    | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      347/1     | Javi Polo         | UUE            |       |
      348/105   | Alejandro Estraviz| BinkP UUE      |       |
      382/100   | Sinisa Burina     | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      400/555   | Ofir Michaeli     | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      400/557   | Marius Kaizerman  | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      423/81    | Milos Bajer       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      461/256   | Andrew Rutkas     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      461/640   | Alex Semenyaka    |BinkP ifcico UUE| ???   | n/c
      465/204   | Va Milushnikov    | BinkP          | 33.6k | n/c
      469/84    | Max Masyutin      | VMoT           | 256k  | n/c
      469/128   | Oleg Vasenyoff    | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      480/112   | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k  | n/c
      550/4077  | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE            | ----- | n/c
     2410/201   | Karsten Ebeling   | BinkP UUE      | ???   | n/c
     2411/413   | Dennis Dittrich   | UUE,BinkP      | 64k   | n/c
     2432/200   | Sven Dueker       | BinkP TX UUE   | ???   | n/c
     2446/301   | Lothar Behet  | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K   | n/c
     2474/275   | Christian Emig    | UUE            | 64k   | unkn
     2487/3000  | Steffen Gross     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     3830/10    | Matt Bedynek      | FTP, BinkP     | 100Mb | n/c
     5002/5002  | Victor Belyakov   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5014/4     | Alex Bagmanov     | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5020/52    | Peter Didenko     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5020/54    | Serge Wizgounoff  | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5020/69    | B Chernivetsky    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5020/238   | Sergey Gubanov    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5030/115   | Andrey Podkolzin  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5030/1251  | K Stepanekov      | UUE            | ???   | n/c
     5100/8     | Egons Bush        | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5020/1159  | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE          | 33.6  | n/c
     5049/12    | Amir Shabashvili  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     FIDONEWS 19-11               Page 19                  18 Mar 2002


     5054/3     | Andrew Popov      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5080/80    | Eugene Zorin      | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5083/21    | Alexander Uskov   | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5090/2     | Andrew Titov      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5100/8     | Egons Bush        | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 3
      633/260   | Malcolm Miles     | FTP,BinkP      | 64K   | n/c
      640/954   | Rick Van Ruth     | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c
      712/311   | Bob James         | TX             | ???   | n/c
      774/605   | Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 4
      801/161   | Renato Zambon     | UUE            | 33.6  |n/c
      902/18    | Javier Tejedor    | UUE            | 33,6  | n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 6
       65/3000  | Lawrence Fan      | UUE            | 33600 | free
      653/1009  | Maorong Chen      | UUE            | ???   | free
      654/0     | Bin Li            | UUE,BinkP      | 33600 | free
      654/1501  | Lawrence Fan      | UUE,BinkP      | 28800 | free

     --
     * FTP    = Internet File Transfer Protocol
     * VMoT   = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
     * UUE    = uuencode<->email type transfers
     * BinkP  = front end mailer for TCPIP networks
     * TX     = TransX
     * NFS    = Linux Networking
     * ifcico = ifcico-compatible virtual mailer
     * QWK    = Quick Packets/Offline mailer "networking" capable
     ----------------------------------------------
     Fidonet oriented news servers

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     news.osirusoft.com
     news.tardis.net
     nntp://fido.bitsoft.ro
     nntp://bbs.bitsoft.ro

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     irc.osirusoft.com  (Peers wanted)
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     irc.bitsoft.ro : 6667 russian, english, hebrew, #fido, #wwb
     irc.tsua.net : 6668 russian, english #fido

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     FIDONEWS 19-11               Page 20                  18 Mar 2002


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                         Nodelist Stats

      Input nodelist  nodelist.074
                size  1125.2kb
                date  2002-03-15

      The nodelist has  10133 nodes in it
        and a total of  13043 non-comment entries

              including     6 zones
                           65 regions
                          471 hosts
                          703 hubs
         admin overhead  1245 ( 12.29 %)

                    and   909 private nodes
                          355 nodes down
                          401 nodes on hold
      off line overhead  1665 ( 16.43 %)


      Speed summary:

               >9600 =    921 (  9.09 %)
                9600 =   8672 ( 85.58 %)
                              (HST  =  184 or   2.12 %)
                              (CSP  =    1 or   0.01 %)
                              (PEP  =   13 or   0.15 %)
                              (MAX  =    0 or   0.00 %)
                              (HAY  =    1 or   0.01 %)
                              (V32  = 4861 or  56.05 %)
                              (V32B =  516 or   5.95 %)
                              (V34  = 5765 or  66.48 %)
                              (V42  = 4734 or  54.59 %)
                              (V42B =  539 or   6.22 %)
                2400 =    108 (  1.07 %)
                1200 =      5 (  0.05 %)
                 300 =    427 (  4.21 %)

                ISDN =   1100 ( 10.86 %)

     ----------------------------------------------------------
      File Req Flag   Applicable software     Number of systems
     ----------------------------------------------------------
      XA              Frontdoor <1.99b             3709
                      Frontdoor  2.02+
                      Dutchie 2.90c
                      Binkleyterm >2.1
                      D'Bridge <1.3
                      TIMS
                      Xenia
     --------------------------------------
     FIDONEWS 19-11               Page 21                  18 Mar 2002


      XB              Binkleyterm 2.0                 8
                      Dutchie 2.90b
     --------------------------------------
      XC              Opus 1.1                       10
     --------------------------------------
      XP              Seadog                          6
     --------------------------------------
      XR              Opus 1.03                      64
     --------------------------------------
      XW              Fido >12M                     404
                      Tabby
                      KittenMail
     --------------------------------------
      XX              D'Bridge 1.30                4490
                      Frontdoor 1.99b
                      Intermail 2.01
                      T-Mail
     --------------------------------------
      None            QMM                          1442
     --------------------------------------

      CrashMail capable =   3349 ( 33.05 %)
      MailOnly nodes    =   5469 ( 53.97 %)
      Listed-only nodes =    785 (  7.75 %)
      Other             =    530 (  5.23 %)

      [Report produced by NETSTATS - A PD pgm available from 1:106/100]
      [                                 Revised by B Felten, 2:203/208]

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