     The  F I D O N E W S      Volume 19, Number 05             04 Feb 2002 
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            Copyright 2002 by Fidonews Editor for Fidonews Globally.


                        Table of Contents
     1. FOOD FOR THOUGHT  .........................................  1
     2. INSIDE  ...................................................  2
        The Fidonews at a Glance  .................................  2
     3. EDITORIAL  ................................................  3
        Astrid Lindgren, R12 and catcalls  ........................  3
     4. GENERAL ARTICLES  .........................................  4
        A Day in Japan  ...........................................  4
        Catcalls from the Cheap Seats  ............................  5
        Fidonet TODAY and... TOMORROW  ............................  7
     5. OL'WDB'S COLUMN - WARREN BONNER  ..........................  9
        From a dear friend: 1,000 Saturdays  ......................  9
     6. FRANK'S COLUMN - FRANK VEST  .............................. 11
        A (early) Fidonet Christmas Wish List  .................... 11
     7. FIDONET'S INTERNATIONAL KITCHEN  .......................... 14
        Japanese Ramen Noodles  ................................... 14
        Russian Yozhiki  .......................................... 14
     8. CLEAN HUMOR & JOKES  ...................................... 16
        BASTARD OPERATOR FROM HELL #3  ............................ 16
        The sneeze  ............................................... 17
     9. FIDONET CLASSIFIED ADS  ................................... 19
        Infomail is back on 1:124/6308  ........................... 19
     10. TODD COCHRANE'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING  ................ 21
        Fidonet Software List  .................................... 21
     11. JOE JARED'S FIDONET BY INTERNET  ......................... 25
     12. SPECIAL INTEREST  ........................................ 31
        Nodelist Stats  ........................................... 31
     13. FIDONEWS INFORMATION  .................................... 33
        How to Submit an Article  ................................. 33
        Credits, Legal Infomation, Availability  .................. 34
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                             FOOD FOR THOUGHT
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     Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Give a man religion and he'll
     starve to death while praying for a fish.

                        - chopper's sig (kuro5hin)


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                                  INSIDE
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                          The Fidonews at a Glance

     The "Editorial" this week is about "Astrid Lindgren, R12 and
     catcalls".

        The "General Articles" section has three submissions. Carol
     Shenkenberger writes about another day in the Far East in "A Day in
     Japan", Luke Kolin sends us more "Catcalls from the Cheap Seats" and
     there's a very disappointing report from Kamal Barshevich from Russia
     in "Fidonet TODAY and... TOMORROW".

        Frank Vest writes an early letter to Santa in his (i.e. Frank's,
     not Santa's) column. Read it in "A (early) Fidonet Christmas Wish
     List".

        Warren Bonner sends us some thoughts about Saturday mornings, from
     a friend of his, in his column, "From a dear friend: 1,000 Saturdays".

        In our "International Kitchen" section, Carol makes "Japanese Ramen
     Noodles", and from Aleksej Serdyukov we get "Russian Yozhiki".

        The third episode from "BASTARD OPERATOR FROM HELL" in the "Clean
     Jokes..." plus "The sneeze" by Warren -- is it clean or not, well I
     guess it's up to you to judge.

        In the "Classified Ads" section the turn has come to "Infomail".
     You do remember that this section is a rotating section? We don't have
     that many ads yet, so those posted will occur rather frequently.


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                                 EDITORIAL
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                    Astrid Lindgren, R12 and catcalls

     The most important thing, to me, and I think to many people all over
     the world, that happend this week, was that Astrid Lindgren died. She
     was 93 years old, so it was of course no real surprise, but never the
     less she leaves a really big hole somewhere.

        I guess most fidonet users have some relationship with her works.
     Be it as kids or as parents reading "Mio and I" for your own kids,
     watching a movie with Pippi Longstockings or a TV show with the
     mischievous Emil.

        Unlike e.g. the author of Harry Potter, Astrid never made a fortune
     out of her writings. Her 88 works was translated to some 80 languages
     and sold in most countries of the world, in more than 100 million
     copies. But she only had some $500,000 (less than the Nobel prize she
     so well deserved, but never was awarded) on the bank when she left.
     Out of the estimated 40 million books sold in the former Soviet Union,
     she never got a single kopek, and the same goes for many other
     countries, but she never complained. The most important thing for her,
     was that she could bring some happiness to children all over the
     world.

        And indeed she did! I hope we'll meet again in Nangijala, Astrid!

        As for the R12 affair, I really goofed up last week, didn't I.
     Placing Sakas... Saskach... Scakas... Alberta and all the other
     territories north and west of Ontario in R12, when really they belong
     to the region of Alaska, Washington, Idaho and some other US states in
     the north west. Sorry for that mistake.

        Catcalls from the cheap seats keep interrupting our show, that's
     been playing for so many years now (is it the 18th season, or what?).
     Maybe we should start taking those catcalls seriously? From the posh
     seats up front, we cannot expect anything such barbaric and ill
     mannered, that could cause the spectators there to be kicked out of
     their country club, golf club or even the local PTA. And most of the
     artists on stage seem to be smug about the performance they've
     perfected over the years, and are not likely to call for a change to
     the show that finally runs so smoothly.



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                             GENERAL ARTICLES
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                           A Day in Japan
                    Sasebo, Japan, 21 January 2002

     Today we got the last of the phone bill pieces we were looking for
     so we could pay for the connections we have been using.  It was
     something very Asian and confusing so let me tell you all how to get
     a phone in Japan, should you need one.

     To start, it is easier if you are military or your company has a set
     of purchased phone numbers for lease to employees.  If that is not
     the case when you arrive, it costs 800$ USA roughly, to 'buy phone
     rights'.  Yes, the Japan system requires the customer 'purchase' the
     use of the number.  Don't argue, that's merely how things work here
     and the Japanese find this a good system.

     I was able to get mine as a military person, via a leased line set
     aside for such.  I pay 800 yen a month, plus normal monthly bills
     (about 3500 yen).  To this bill is added all local calls made (10
     yen for 3 minutes).  The application was very confusing as it's all
     in Japanese but we got it figured out with some help.

     The next step was to pay for service.  This is done in advance and
     at any bank.  10 days or so later, your phone starts working.  About
     a week after that, they tell you what your phone number is (grin).
     This is all automated as long as your apartment has phone jacks
     (they all do if even remotely modernized).

     After that, and hopefully you selected the option to have the LD
     phone bill go to a credit card to make things easier, you settle
     back and hope for the best.  Your first bills won't arrive for a
     month or so after and if you are not careful, they can be a shock.

     Japan bills tend to come in several parts and you often cant pay
     until the last 'part' arrives.  Our electric, gas, and phone all
     work the same way.  It's like they premail you how much it will be
     (looks like a bill to us) and later send the one you can actually
     pay.  Once you get used to it, it's kinda nice as you can set that
     amount off to the side and get close to 4 weeks warning before it's
     due.

     Now how to pay?  Well, simple.  All Japanese bills are paid in Yen.
     Japanese do not use checkbooks much and credit cards are also rare
     so it's cash.  This is actually easier than it sounds.  All bills
     can be paid at the local convenience stores (Family Mart is a local
     one and yes it has some Japanese name too that means the same.
     Think 7-11 and you got it).  For military, gas and electric get paid
     at the base and they take care of the required filing of receipts but
     for phone, you are on your own.

     Sounds awkward?  It turned out to be terribly easy!  We took our
     bills (came in 5 parts) to the local Family Mart and in 2 minutes
     they had it all handled, despite us having no common language.  We
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     can also pay electric and gas there but have to then take the
     receipts back to the base (so why not pay there with a check?  Easier
     on us).  They gave us back the parts that are not bills (hard to
     tell here) with a smile and a happy 'Domo Arrigato'.

     So, should you move to Japan, you now have a little bit more info on
     how to ease your way.

     Komban Wa Y'all!

                                    xxcarol
                                    Carol Shenkenberger
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                       Catcalls from the Cheap Seats
                             By Luke Kolin

     Bjorn referred to me as an apostate that other week. I'm really
     starting to love this guy - that's the nicest thing any FidoNet sysop
     has called me in several years. I understand that sunlight is somewhat
     lacking in that part of the world this time of year - make it through
     another two months until the equinox, please!

     Let me correct our Editor before he gets howls of protest from the
     alienated Westerners, who most certainly are not part of Region 12 -
     Region 12 only comprises the former parts of Region 11 that split off
     back in 1988 or so; everything east of the Manitoba/Ontario border.
     Western Canada has always been part of Region 17. Unlike Zone 2, Zone
     1 has never broken its Regions down across purely nationalistic lines.
     The debate that is going on is not a Canada vs. US battle, and I think
     it is inaccurate and wrong-headed to see this as a nationalistic
     battle. It is instead the manifestation of two dramatically different
     views of FidoNet organisation. As a broader question relevant to the
     entire network, to what extent can regional differences be tolerated
     in the network as a whole?

     The cantankerous sysops of Region 12 have never had much time for two
     aspects of FidoNet policy that some other *Cs seem to hold as sacred:
     appointed *Cs and network boundaries dictated by geography. We were
     electing our RCs and NCs back in 1989, and the principle has never
     been seriously questioned. We've had networks that overlapped each
     other since 163 and 243 existed in 1991.

     I think it's instructive to note that despite the howls of protest
     from outside the Region, the system by and large has worked very well.
     Networks got the *Cs they want, and if a network started getting too
     polarised, splitting it down the middle usually lowered the level from
     all-out jihad to occasional sniping in the region-wide sysop
     conference. Far from promoting chaos, the system that Region 12 worked
     out did much to lessen friction and sysop disputes. Far more chaos was
     induced by the odd ZC or RC who attempted to roll back this system. A
     blind eye was turned to the letter of Policy from time to time when it
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     served the greater good.

     Bjorn's call for mediation is a good one. As I pointed out last week,
     the rhetoric in this dispute has grown to the level where we're
     calling for silly things in order to defend the sanctity of policy. If
     both sides can agree to someone whose stated goal is to solve
     problems, no matter what Policy says, something good may come out of
     all this. After all, the network is about people, not Policy, right?

     Turning my attention to ancient history, the former Editor continues
     his painful detailing of the FidoNet vs. Internet worlds, circa 1994.
     In case Frank hasn't noticed, there are hundreds of thousands of
     online communities sprouting up all across the Internet, and they've
     been doing so for several years now. I participate in no fewer than
     four communities based on the discussion of immigration into the
     United States. I participate in several online message areas related
     to flight simulation. And they're just as polite, well-moderated (if
     not better) and valuable as the echo areas that were in FidoNet during
     its 'golden age' in the early to mid 1990s. Sites like yahoo groups
     allow anyone to build their own little moderated community with a few
     mouse clicks. And I interact with the same real people that Frank
     talks about, from all over the world. We have Canadians, Indians,
     Pakistanis, Americans, Italians, Scotsmen, Germans and Australians.
     Frank, where have you been?

     The notion that all Internet games are a shoot-em-up is equally
     inaccurate. We host a number of 'online flying' events using the
     Internet and Microsoft Flight Simulator each year, with full online
     dispatch and ATC. There's no character-based equivalent for a landing
     a 727 with a 200 foot ceiling, completely blind, and then hearing the
     ATC folks scrambling and reorganising the pattern when you decide that
     discretion is the better part of valour and go around. Yes, it may not
     teach you typing in the same fashion, but the richness of the
     experience both sensually and intellectually is light years beyond.
     And it's real-time collaboration with potentially dozens of people!
     How does your single-line ASCII-based door compete with that? It
     doesn't.

     Apart from the sensory differences, the Internet allows you to
     aggregate much larger groups of people together, to get more people,
     more learning and more FUN. You're not dependent on a BBS at all, with
     its limitations on simultaneous connections. You're not limited by
     content replication all across the world. You're all online, anywhere,
     anytime.

     Finally, the notion that only commercial sites have professional-grade
     graphics, software back-ends and ergonomics is ludicrous. The Open
     Source movement (which, I suspect, BinkleyTerm was a rough precursor)
     has allowed professional grade SQL databases, web scripting (JSP or
     PHP) and graphics programs to be available for FREE. Even an
     out-of-the-box package like UBB or phpBB has a professional quality
     interface. There's a lot of crummy web sites out there. Unfortunately,
     even the crummy web sites have just as good (or bad) an interface as
     the best dial-up BBS.

     Essentially, the recipe for saving the ol' pooch involve doing nothing
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     new or exciting. They involve pretending that the last ten years of
     technological progress in the online world didn't exist, and to go
     back to the world of 1992. Play ASCII hangman instead of the
     Flash-based games my wife plays online with our neice and nephew. Post
     to an online message board where you might get a response from across
     the world in several days, instead of several minutes. Pretend that
     none of this is available on the Internet. (ha!)

     If the folks in FidoNet persist with this kind of an attitude, get out
     the barbituates and euthanise the whole network. It's done. Online
     community exists on the Internet, in a far better and bigger form than
     FidoNet ever achieved. They are real people, they have real fun, and
     they're just as passionate about their hobbies on the Internet as they
     were back in the BBS days. At the levels of learning, people and fun,
     let's be generous and say that the two are tied. In terms of the
     overall capabilities of the platform like UI, content aggregation and
     scalability, there's no comparison.

     I know Frank means well, but FidoNet's future doesn't depend on people
     making a virtue out of necessity when it comes to the shortcomings of
     the pooch. Michael Grant is on the right track when he talks about
     leveraging Internet capabilities to the fullest. Maybe the Fidonet of
     the future is a group of discrete web sites each hosting a different
     area of interest?


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                      Fidonet TODAY and... TOMORROW.
                  Let us observe the situation in Russia.


       "Fidonet makes the World smaller", it helps us the feel ourselfs
     together, cause EVERY continent, every civilized (or half-civilized)
     country has Fidonet supporting nodes. It was yesterday, it is today.
     But lets have a look on what could happen in very near future.

       As a legacy of exUSSR, Russia recieved pay-FREE telephone lines.
     This fact gave FidoNet GREAT priority against Internet, Relcom and
     other commercial based nets. Really, even when we speak about Fido, as
     a non-commercial net, we must remember, that you have to pay for
     connection, for your telephone line. And that is one of the cases
     because in Europe Fidonet was successfully vanished by InterNet: you
     pay just the same (maybe a bit more) but you get on-line vision of all
     the World around.

       Here is directly another situation in Russia. Everyone pay 50
     rubbles (~2.5$) per month and uses telephone as much as he wants. That
     is real heaven for FidoNet. He is some stats:

     Russia:
     ~~~~~~~
     Petersburg  => ~900 nodes
     Moscow      => ~1500 nodes
     others      => ~5000 nodes
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                    ~7000 nodes
     That is ~50% of all Fido-nodes in the World (~14000 nodes).

       xUSSR got a lot of money from selling wartechs, food etc, and could
     afford such telephone network. But today situation has changed.

       2002 or 2003 year can be the last year with such telephone-taxes in
     Russia. Minute-by-minute payment means one: with current people's
     economic level, 99% of all nodes will be closed. Why? Cause average
     age of Russian Fidonet SysOps is 20-22 years (from 17 to 30). They are
     students. And students have NOTHING in Russia today!

       So, looking in the nearest future, we see rather sad picture.
     FidoNet will lost 50% of it's members. I must admit, that we observed
     situation in Russia, not touching Ukraine and other exUSSR countries.
     By the way Russia naturally will lost ~30-50% InterNet users.

       And that is on the stage of building "democracy" here... Citizens
     already lost all independent TV-channells, in process of loosing
     independent from government radio stations, and in two years without
     Fidonet and Internet, Russia will become silent and quiet country. Is
     that the goal?

       What we have in the end: more than a half of non-commercial Network
     FIDO, could be killed by commercial aspect... Irony of the fate..!?

                                         specially for Fidonews
                                               Kamal Barshevich

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                      OL'WDB'S COLUMN - WARREN BONNER
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                  From a dear friend: 1,000 Saturdays
                          wdbonner@pacbell.net



     The older I get, the more I enjoy Saturday mornings.

     Perhaps it's the quiet solitude that comes with being the first to
     rise, or maybe it's the unbounded joy of not having to be at work.
     Either way, the first few hours of a Saturday morning are most
     enjoyable.

     A few weeks ago, I was shuffling toward the basement shack with a
     steaming cup of coffee in one hand and the morning paper in the other.
     What began as a typical Saturday morning, turned into one of those
     lessons that life seems to hand you from time to time.

     Let me tell you about it.  I turned the dial up into the phone portion
     of the band on my ham radio in order to listen to a Saturday morning
     swap net.

     Along the way, I came across an older sounding chap, with a tremendous
     signal and a golden voice.  You know the kind; he sounded like he
     should be in the broadcasting business.

     He was telling whomever he was talking with something about "a
     thousand marbles." I was intrigued and stopped to listen to what he
     had to say.

     "Well, Tom, it sure sounds like you're busy with your job.  I'm sure
     they pay you well but it's a shame you have to be away from home and
     your family so much.  Hard to believe a young fellow should have to
     work sixty or seventy hours a week to make ends meet.

     Too bad you missed your daughter's dance recital. He continued, "Let
     me tell you something Tom, something that has helped me keep a good
     perspective on my own priorities."

     And that's when he began to explain his theory of a "thousand
     marbles."

     "You see, I sat down one day and did a little arithmetic.  The average
     person lives about seventy-five years.  I know, some live more and
     some live less, but on average, folks live about seventy-five years.

     Now then, I multiplied 75 times 52 and I came up with 3900, which is
     the number of Saturdays that the average person has in their entire
     lifetime.

     "Now, stick with me, Tom, I'm getting to the important part." "It took
     me until I was fifty-five years old to think about all this in any
     detail"; he went on, "and by that time I had lived through over
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     twenty-eight undred Saturdays.  I got to thinking that if I lived to
     be seventy-five, I only had about a thousand of them left to enjoy.

     "So I went to a toy store and bought every single marble they had.  I
     ended up having to visit three toy stores to round up 1000 marbles. I
     took them home and put them inside of a large, clear plastic container
     right here in the sack next to my gear.  Every Saturday since then, I
     have taken one marble out and thrown it away." "I found that by
     watching the marbles diminish, I focus more on the really important
     things in life.

     There is nothing like watching your time here on this earth run out to
     help get your priorities straight." "Now let me tell you one last
     thing before I sign-off with you and take my lovely wife out for
     breakfast. This morning, I took the very last marble out of the
     container.  I figure that if I make it until next Saturday then I have
     been given a little extra time.  And the one thing we can all use is a
     little more time."

      "It was nice to meet you Tom, I hope you spend more time with your
     family, and I hope to meet you again here on the band.  75 year Old
     Man, this is K9NZQ, clear and going QRT, good morning!"

      You could have heard a pin drop on the band when this fellow signed
     off.  I guess he gave us all a lot to think about.  I had planned to
     work on the antenna that morning, and then I was going to meet up with
     a few hams to work on the next club newsletter.

      Instead, I went upstairs and woke my wife up with a kiss. "C'mon
     honey, I'm taking you and the kids to breakfast." "What brought this
     on?" she asked with a smile.

     "Oh, nothing special, it's just been a long time since we spent a
     Saturday together with the..."Hey, can we stop at a toy store while
     we're out?  I need to buy some marbles...."

     A friend sent this to me, so I to you, my friend.

      "If you live to be a hundred, I want to live to be a hundred minus
     one day, so I never have to live without you." -Winnie the Pooh

      Pass this on to all of your FRIENDS, even if it means sending it to
     the person that sent it to you.  And if you receive this e-mail many
     times from many different people, it only means that you have many
     FRIENDS. And if you get it but once, do not be discouraged for you
     will know that you have AT LEAST ONE GOOD FRIEND... And that's worth
     it!

     Warmest regards,
     Ol'wdb


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                        FRANK'S COLUMN - FRANK VEST
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                     A (early) Fidonet Christmas Wish List
                                 By Frank Vest
                                  1:124/6308.1


      This may a bit early for Christmas, but what the heck. :-)

      Fidonet's most basic element is the BBS. The most basic element of
     the BBS is the User. In a "Guest Editorial" a while back, I made note
     of the former from Tom Jennings and added the latter.

      With this in mind, and the desire to help Fidonet, BBSs and the Users
     that Fidonet and the BBSs depend on, I'm making my Christmas wish list
     early. :-)

      Some of these may already be done, but it never hurts to ask. Also,
     since this is a Christmas wish, it would be nice if they were free. :)


                        -= An Internet Download Door =-

      One of the things that a BBS used to have is the mass of Files for
     download. With dozens of Bulletin Boards in almost every area of the
     world and each one with a different theme, each had a different set of
     files for the Users to download. A User could call several BBS systems
     and find just about any new program that was around. When the CD-Rom
     came out, the file bases of a BBS exploded even more.

      Today, most of the files that Users found on a BBS are on the
     Internet. With an Internet connection and such, it's easy to get the
     files.

     My thought/wish;

      A door program for those of us that have a 24/7 connection to the
     Internet that would allow the Sysop to configure Internet download
     sites for "online" file download by the Users. It could work something
     like this;

      The sysop knows of some download sites with programs that s/he wants
     to offer. It could be FTP sites or whatever. The Sysop configures the
     door with the Internet address(es) of these sites and what files are
     available.

      When a User logs onto the BBS and does a search or list of files,
     these files show up the same as any other files on the BBS. When the
     User tags the file(s) and goes to download them, the door connects to
     the Internet site and transfers the file(s) to the User via the BBS.
     It would probably have to be a "dual download" where the file is
     downloaded to the BBS computer's "temp" directory, then sent to the
     User via Zmodem or some such and then the file removed from the BBS
     computer's temp directory, but it could be done??
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      Think of the advantage of this to a BBS. The wealth of files on the
     Internet at the finger tips of the BBS Sysop and Users. The door could
     check the Files for a "file-id" or the description of the file could
     be entered by the Sysop. Much the same thing that is done now. If a
     link changes, the Sysop can simply change the URL or remove it.

      I'd think that this would be a big plus for the BBS. :)


                              -= A Telnet Door =-

      I know that there are doors that do this. At least one BBS program
     offers a telnet door, but only on the telnet side of the BBS. A free
     version of this would be great.

      This would/could be a simple little door that would allow a User on
     the dial-up or telnet side of a BBS to telnet out to other telnet
     BBSs. It would be nice if it were to work with Dos based BBS programs
     as well as Windows and Linux... maybe OS/2 as well.

      It should be simple to set up. Have any driver(s) needed or whatever.
     I think it would be a good thing to attract New Users to a BBS. The
     thought being that a User could have "one stop shopping". Dial into a
     BBS and reach many other BBSs. Also, for the dial up mainly, a User
     without an ISP could access many BBSs from other places that would
     otherwise be "out of reach" due to cost.


                             -= Terminal Program =-

      One of the things that used to abound in the BBS world were Terminal
     Programs. You remember, those programs that Users, and some Sysops,
     use to dial into a BBS? Today, most are history, not supported,
     unavailable, don't work with the later operating systems or some such.

      A nice "all around" terminal program for calling a BBS would be nice.
     After all, if the User doesn't have anything decent to "call" a BBS
     with, why would they bother?

      My idea is a program that will handle telnet as well as dial-up. It
     should be able to display ansi and ascii properly without the use of
     special fonts and such. It would be nice if the program would/could be
     a "full screen" display and handle the higher resolution of today's
     monitors and graphics cards,

      A real "plus", in my opinion, would be if the program could "overlay"
     the web browser when used as a telnet client and a link is clicked on,
     like the Adobe Acrobat Reader does for PDF, instead of launching
     another program that has to be shut down after use.

      I'm not sure how all of this would work, but it is an idea.


     Ok. I guess I'll shut up now and see if Santa will smile on me. :-)


     FIDONEWS 19-05               Page 13                   4 Feb 2002


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     FIDONEWS 19-05               Page 14                   4 Feb 2002


     =================================================================
                      FIDONET'S INTERNATIONAL KITCHEN
     =================================================================

                      Japanese Ramen Noodles

           1 pk Ramen noodles (block type)
           1    Hard boiled egg, chopped
           2    Sprigs green onion
           1 tb Minced green onion bulb

       Ok, simple as you can get.  Fix the noodles to the directions on the
     package.  Add the green onion while cooking.  Chop the egg up.  Once
     cooked, add to the noodles.

       Optional additions:  You can add a few left over green peas,
     mushrooms, salmon bits (goes best with the shrimp type), tofu (firm,
     chuncked, cooked with the broth).  If out of green onion bulbs, use
     1/2 the amount of a hotter onion or the same amount of a leek.

       Charlotte (my 5YO) loves these, and all her friends seem to love
     them just as much.  Much less expensive than spagettios and the baked
     noodle types are better for her too.

       Variation:  Use Dashi (see Dashi recipe) for the water, or at least
           1/2    the water.

       From the kitchen of:  xxcarol
       From: Carol Shenkenberger
       Date: 19 Dec 98


     -----------------------------------------------------------------

                            --Russian Yozhiki--
                                    by
                            Aleksej R. Serdyukov
                                AKA Deleter
                           2:5020/1973.20@FidoNet

      Yeah, got it! ;) Yozhiki (hedgehogs ;-) recipe for you:

       0.5 kg    beef-force-meat (can be mixed with pork one)
       1/3 glass rice
       1         carrot
       1-2       onion
       some salt & pepper

       Mix all, add water, manually give them shape of ball (4-5 cm of
     diameter). Put to boiling salted water in a frying pan.
       Strew them by vegetables (greens), and put a bay leaf and boil
     approximately for 30 minutes.
                                   Enjoy! :)

                        bye  [26.01.02 17:10 MSK]

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     FIDONEWS 19-05               Page 16                   4 Feb 2002


     =================================================================
                            CLEAN HUMOR & JOKES
     =================================================================

                       BASTARD OPERATOR FROM HELL #3

      So I'm working so hard I barely have time to drive into town and
     watch a movie before I told people their printing will be ready. The
     queue's WAAAAY too long to have everything printed (and sorted) by the
     time I told them, so I kill all the small jobs so there's only 2 left
     and I can sort them in no time.

      Then, after the movie, (which was one of those slack Bertolucci ones
     that takes about 3 hours till the main character is killed off in a
     visionary experience) I get back and clear the printouts.

      There's about 50 people waiting outside and I've got two printouts.
     That's about average for me. I thought I'd killed more tho. Anyway, I
     put out the printouts and walk slooowly inside, fingering the
     clipboard with "ACCOUNTS TO REMOVE" in big letters on the back. No-one
     says anything. As usual.

      . . .

       I'm sitting back in the Operations Armchair, watching the computer
     room closed circuit TV, which just happens to be connected to the
     frame-grabber's Video player (sent off for repair, due back sometime
     in '94) when the phone rings. That must be the 2nd time today, and
     it's really starting to get to me!

      "Yes?" I say, pausing the picture.

      "I've accidentally deleted my C.V!" the voice at the other end of the
     line says.

      "You have? What was your username?"

      He tells me. What the hell, I AM bored.

      "Ah no, you didn't delete it - I did."

      "What?"

      "I deleted it. It was full of shit! You didn't ever get more than a
     B- in any of your subjects!"

      "Huh?"

      "And that crap about being a foreign exchange student, that was your
     girlfriend and we both know it."

      "Huh?!!"

      "Your academic records. I checked them, you were lying.."

      "How did y.." He clicks. "It's you isn't it? THE BASTARD OPERATOR
     FIDONEWS 19-05               Page 17                   4 Feb 2002


     FROM HELL!"

      "In the flesh, on the phone and in your account.... You shouldn't
     have called you know. You especially shouldn't have given me your
     username.." >clickety< >click<  "Neither should you have sent that
     mail to the System Manager telling him what you think of him in
     graphic terms..."

      "I didn't send any.."

      >clickety< >click<......

      "No, you didn't did you? But who can tell these days. Not to worry
     though, It'll all be over VERY soon.." >clickety click< "..change my
     username back, and..."

      "b-b-b.." he blubs, like a stood-up date

      "Goodbye now" I say pleasantly, "you've got bags to pack and a life
     to start over..."

      I hang up.

      Two seconds later the red phone goes. I pick it up, it's the boss. He
     mumbles the username of the person I was just talking to, mentions
     something about a nasty mail message, and utters the words "You know
     what to do...", with the dots and everything.

      Later, inside the Municipal Energy Authority Computer, as I'm
     modifying the poor pleb's Energy Bill by several zeros, I can't help
     but think about what lapse of judgement - what act of heinous
     stupidity causes them to call. Then, even later, when I'm adding the
     poor pleb's photo image over the top of the FBI's online "MOST Wanted
     Armed and Dangerous, SHOOT ON SIGHT" offenders list, I realise, I'll
     probably never know; but life goes on.

      A couple of hours later, as I see the SWAT vehicle roll up outside
     the poor pleb's apartment I realise that for some, it just doesn't.

      But tommorrow is another day.


     -----------------------------------------------------------------

                         The sneeze

      A man and a woman are sitting beside each other in the first class
     section of the plane. The woman sneezes, takes a tissue, gently wipes
     her nose and shudders quite violently in her seat.

      The man isn't sure why she is shuddering and goes back to reading. A
     few minutes pass. The woman sneezes again. She takes a tissue, gently
     wipes her nose and shudders quite violently in her seat. The man is
     becoming more and more curious about the shuddering. A few more
     minutes pass. The woman sneezes yet again. She takes a tissue, gently
     wipes her nose and shudders violently again.
     FIDONEWS 19-05               Page 18                   4 Feb 2002


      The man has finally had all he can handle. He turns to the woman and
     says, "Three times you've sneezed and three times you've taken a
     tissue and wiped your nose then shuddered violently! Are you sending
     me signals, or are you going crazy?"

      The woman replies, "I'm sorry if I disturbed you. I have a rare
     condition and when I sneeze, I have an orgasm."

      The man, now feeling a little embarrassed but even more curious says,
     "I've never heard of that before. What are you taking for it?"

      The woman looks at him and says, "Pepper."

     Warm Regards,
     Ol'wdb


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     FIDONEWS 19-05               Page 19                   4 Feb 2002


     =================================================================
                          FIDONET CLASSIFIED ADS
     =================================================================

                         Infomail is back on 1:124/6308
                                 By Frank Vest
                                   1:124/6308

      With the current Fidonet via BinkP, I'm trying to put this service
     back up. Some may remember it from times past. :)

      I'm not sure how this will work with BinkP, but my tests seemed to
     work well. :)

      Of course, it should also work with the any Netmail.

                               Welcome to "InfoMail"

      Infomail is a program that provides a "document" service via Fidonet
     Netmail.

      I have some text files on my system that might be of interest to
     Sysops, or even Users, in Fidonet. The process of Freq'ing the files
     takes time and, if done via dial up, money in LD costs. To log onto
     the BBS, search and DL the files also takes time and money.

      Infomail makes this a little easier in that the text of the documents
     can be requested with a simple Netmail and the contents of the text
     file sent to the requester in a Netmail reply.

     In other words, this is a "robot" that when asked for the information
     in a text file, writes that text into a Netmail and sends it to you.
     :-)

     Ok, here's how it works.

                  Using this program/service is very simple.

     1. Enter a Netmail message to "InfoMail" without the quotes.
     (capitalization isn't important). Fidonet address, 1:124/6308 via
     regular routed Netmail, crash Netmail or BinkP. The Internet address
     for BinkP is "web-idiot.d2g.com".

     2. For a subject, put the document that you want to receive. If you
     don't know, or just want to search for a word in the list, send the
     Netmail to "InfoMail Search" <sans quote> and put the word you are
     looking for in the Subject area.

     3. In the text area, put anything you like. This is ignored but
     required for many mailers to handle the message.

     Upon receiving the message, my system will search the document list
     for a match and send the response back to you via a Netmail message.

     The reply will most likely be "routed" Netmail.

     FIDONEWS 19-05               Page 20                   4 Feb 2002


     Please let me know if there are errors. I'm only human and make
     mistakes like anyone else. :-)

      As with all things Fidonet and hobby, there are no guarantees. I
     "hope" it works. :)

              Here's a list of what I hope is currently available;

     Document Name                     Description
     ================||=================================================
                    ?  List of documents available
              ARTSPEC  FidoNews Article Submission Guidelines
             BackBone  North America BackBone Echolist
            Backbone1  List of active echos, Zone 1 Backbone
           Backboneww  List of Echos carried on the World Wide Backbone
             BackStat  North American Backbone - Status and Changes
            Backstat1  Change Status, Zone 1 Backbone
           Backstatww  World Wide Backbone Status and Changes
           BBS_Basics  BBS Basics (kind of dated, but still good)
            Big_Dummy  ** THE BIG DUMMY'S GUIDE TO FIDONET **
              BROI.10  ZONE 1 ECHOMAIL BACKBONE ROUTINE OPERATING
                       INFORMATION 8/27/
              DFWLIST  The DFW BBs List
          Echopol.V62  General Echomail Policy September 6, 1988,
                       Echopol.v62
           Echopol3.0  ZONE 1 BACKBONE ECHOMAIL POLICY Version 3.0 14
                       August 1993
           Echopol3.1  ZONE 1 BACKBONE ECHOMAIL POLICY Version 3.1 08
                       October 1993
             Ep-Intro  ZONE 1 ECHOPOL - INTRODUCTION TO THE NEW DRAFT
             Epolicy1  Echomail Policy Document - Version 1.04 (Proposed)
       Fido_Ben_Baker  Fidonet History according to Ben Baker
     Fido_History_Pt1  FidoNet History and Operation (8 Feb 85) Tom
                       Jennings
     Fido_History_Pt2  FidoNet History and Operation Part 2 (Tom Jennings)
             FidoInfo  So you want to join FidoNet?
             Fidonet?  What is Fidonet
             FTS-0001  A Basic FidoNet(r) Technical Standard
             FTS-0004  FTS-0004        EchoMail Specification
             FTS-0005  FTS-0005 The Distribution Nodelist
             FTS-0009  A standard for unique message identifiers and reply
                       chain li
             HUBGUIDE  Net 124 HUB GUIDELINES
       Internet_Point  How to use your Point System with the Internet
     Internet_to_Fido  How to gate E-Mail to and from Fidonet
             Net_info  Net 124 Node Information File
             Netstats  Statistics from the Fidonet Nodelist
                Satti  Decisions made by Bob Satti as Z1C
             StartBBs  So you want to start a BBS?
              What_is  What is Fidonet??

     -----------------------------------------------------------------

     FIDONEWS 19-05               Page 21                   4 Feb 2002


     =================================================================
                 TODD COCHRANE'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING
     =================================================================


                             Fidonet Software List
                                By Todd Cochrane
     Type:

     B=BBS  D=Door  M=Mailer  T=Tosser   C=Communication (terminal)
     U=Utility  P=Point Software  I=Internet (telnet, BinkP...)

     <+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+=-=+=-=-+-=-=+=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+>
     (   Software Name     ) |Type| (         Author/Contact              )
     <+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+=-=|=-=-|-=-=+=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+>
     |BBBS Home Page         |B   | b@bbbs.net                            |
     |                       |    | www.bbbs.net/                         |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |ELEBBS The Elevator    |B   | elebbs@elebbs.com                     |
     |Software Production    |    | www.elebbs.com                        |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Hermes II Project      |B   | info@HermesII.org                     |
     |                       |    | http://www.hermesii.org/              |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Maximus BBS Support    |B   | sales@lainus.com                      |
     |Page (Non Official)    |    | http://www.vector11.com/maximus/      |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |MBSE BBS               |B   | Michiel Broek                         |
     |                       |    | mbroek@users.sourceforge.net          |
     |                       |    | http://mbse.sourceforge.net           |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Mystic BBS             |B   | http://www.mysticbbs.com/mystic/      |
     |                       |    |                                       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Nexus Bulletin         |B   | groberts@nexusbbs.net                 |
     |Board System           |    | http://www.nexusbbs.net/              |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Proboard, Searchlight, |BC  | info@telegrafix.com                   |
     |Telegrafix             |    | http://www.telegrafix.com             |
     |Communications         |    | 540-678-4050                          |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |RemoteAccess           |B   | Bruce Morse                           |
     |Central                |    | bfmorse@rapro.com                     |
     |                       |    | http://www.rapro.com/                 |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Spitfire BBS           |B   | MDWoltz@AOL.COM                       |
     |Buffalo Creek Software |    |http://www.angelfire.com/ia/buffalo/   |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Synchronet BBS         |BT  | sysop@vert.synchro.net                |
     |                       |    | http://www.synchro.net                |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Telegard BBS           |B   | support@telegard.net                  |
     |                       |    | http://www.telegard.net/              |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Wildcat Interactive    |BTMI| sales@santronics.com                  |
     |Net Server             |    | http://www.santronics.com             |
     FIDONEWS 19-05               Page 22                   4 Feb 2002


     |Plantinum Express      |    |(305)248-3204                          |
     |                       |    | Santronics Inc.                       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Bentstone Capabilities |D   | info@stonebenders.com                 |
     |Group                  |    | http://www.srupc.com/mall             |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Jibben Software        |D   | scott@jibben.com                      |
     |                       |    | http://www.jibbensoftware.com/        |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |JNS Software Door Games|D   | Rusty Johnson                         |
     |                       |    | rustyjohnson57@hotmail.com            |
     |                       |    | 304-733-0113                          |
     |                       |    | http://www.geocities.com/jnssoftware/ |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Legend Of The Red      |D   |                                       |
     |Dragon Reborn          |    |                                       |
     |(L.O.R.D.)             |    | http://www.lordlegacy.org/            |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |PC Pursuits            |D   |brucep@pop.kis.net                     |
     |                       |    |(301)240-6653                          |
     |                       |    |http://www.pcpursuits.com/products.htm |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |S and T Software       |D   |Mark Bappe                             |
     |                       |    |mark.bappe@bozax.iainc.net             |
     |                       |    |(770)788-6843                          |
     |                       |    |http://bozax.iainc.net/public/         |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Shinning Star BBS Doors|D   |nannette@shiningstar.net               |
     |                       |    |http://www.shiningstar.net/bbsdoors/   |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Sunrise Door Software  |D   |Al Lawerence                           |
     |                       |    |al@sunrisedoors.com                    |
     |                       |    |(404)256-9518                          |
     |                       |    |http://www.sunrisedoors.com/           |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |The Brainex System     |D   |info@brainex.com                       |
     |                       |    |http://www.brainex.com/brainex_system/ |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Trade Wars Door Game   |D   |jpritch@eisonline.com                  |
     |                       |    |http://www.eisonline.com/tradewars/    |
     |                       |    |1:299/110                              |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Vagabond Software      |D   |Bryan Turner                           |
     |                       |    |vagabond@darktech.org                  |
     |                       |    |http://vagabond.virtualave.net/        |
     |                       |    |1:124/7013                             |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |FMail Support          |T   |wijnstra@fmail.nl.eu.org               |
     |                       |    |http://fmail.nl.eu.org/                |
     |                       |    |2:280/1076                             |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Squish Tosser          |T   |http://www.lanius.com/squish.htm       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Argus RITLABS          |M   |argus@ritlabs.com                      |
     |                       |    |373-2-246889                           |
     |                       |    |http://www.ritlabs.com/argus/          |
     FIDONEWS 19-05               Page 23                   4 Feb 2002


     |                       |    |2:469/84                               |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |FrontDoor              |MTPC|Definite Solutions                     |
     |FrontDoor APX          |    |sales@defsol.se                        |
     |Mailer/Point Software  |    |http://www.defsol.se/                  |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |BeeMail Home Page      |M   |http://beemail.gexonline.net           |
     |                       |    |Stephen Proffit                        |
     |                       |    |1:211/405                              |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |BinkleyTerm XE         |M   |http://btxe.sourceforge.net/           |
     |Frontend Mailer        |    |                                       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |BinkD                  |MI  |maloff@corbina.net                     |
     |                       |    |http://2f.ru/binkd/                    |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Fidogate               |UIT |Martin_Junius@m-j-s.net                |
     |                       |    |http://www.fidogate.org/               |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Fidonet to Internet    |IM  |Bo Bendtsen                            |
     |Mailer                 |    |sales@terminate.com                    |
     |                       |    |http://www.terminate.com/fido2int.htm  |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |GiGo Software          |UI  |http://www.gigo.com/                   |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Internet Rex           |IM  |cruden@cs.ualberta.ca                  |
     |                       |    |http://plaza.v-wave.com/InternetRex/   |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Tmail                  |IM  |http://www.tmail.spb.ru/index-19.htm   |
     |(Russian /w English DL)|    |                                       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |TransX Multiboard      |M   |support@multiboard.com                 |
     |Communications Inc.    |    |http://www.multiboard.com/software/    |
     |                       |    |transx.html                            |
     |                       |    |1:2401/305                             |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |TransNet               |I   |transnet@ressl.com.ar                  |
     |                       |    |http://www.ressl.com.ar/transnet/      |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Watergate              |I   |ramon@sbbs.se                          |
     |                       |    |http://www2.sbbs.se/hp/ramon/          |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |JetSys-Home of JetMail |TU  |http://www.jetsys.de/                  |
     |JetStat and other Atari|    |                                       |
     |Fidonet utilities      |    |                                       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |APoint (Author)        |P   |http://www.apoint.websale.net/index.htm|
     |                       |    |http://www.apoint-mail.de (Co-Autho)   |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |CrossPoint             |P   |("Original" version)                   |
     |                       |    |http://www.crosspoint.de               |
     |                       |    |http://www.apoint-mail.de              |
     |                       |    |(OpenXP Projekt)                       |
     |                       |    |http://www.openxp.com (English)        |
     |                       |    |http://www.openxp.de (German)          |
     |                       |    |CrossPoint (XP2 Team)                  |
     FIDONEWS 19-05               Page 24                   4 Feb 2002


     |                       |    |http://www.xp2.de                      |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |WinPoint95             |P   |http://www.schenksmir.de/wp/english    |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |The OpenXP CrossPoint  |P   |http://www.happyarts.de/xp             |
     |Projekt                |    |                                       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Terminate Terminal     |P   |http://www.terminate.com               |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |PPoint-FTS compatible  |P   |http://www.alcuf.ca/ppoint.htm         |
     |E-Mail System          |    |                                       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     \====================================================================/

     -----------------------------------------------------------------

     FIDONEWS 19-05               Page 25                   4 Feb 2002


     =================================================================
                      JOE JARED'S FIDONET BY INTERNET
     =================================================================

     ------------------------------------------------------
     *Fidonet-related sites

                       . -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- .
                       |    FIDONET-RELATED SITES    |
                       ` -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- '
                          Last update: 9:41 PM 1/6/02

     Please send updates, corrections and suggestions to
     Joe Jared, 1:103/301, joejared@osirusoft.com.  All email addresses
     here for purpose of corresponding with fidonet members about
     obtaining a feed.  Please do not list the virtual email addresses
     on any web page.


     - = slated for removal (Invalid URL)
     ? = Unable to connect

     FidoNet
     Homepage:     http://www.fidonet.org
     FidoNews:     http://www.fidonews.org   [HTML]
                   ftp://ftp.nwstar.com/fidonet/fidonews/
     Echolist:     http://www.tlchost.net/echolist/
     Echomail links: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidonet/fidoip.html
     SDS Files:    http://fidobbs.dk/download (Web Access to SDS)
     FTSC page:    http://www.ftsc.org/
     General:      http://www.writebynight.com/fidonet.html
     Parody:       http://www.fidonet.ro/
     Foti          http://www.fidonet-on-the-internet.org
     History       http://www.fidonet-on-the-internet.org

     Zone 1:       http://www.z1.fidonet.org
       Region 10:  http://www.r10.org
         Net 102   http://home.earthlink.net/~kayshapero/net102.htm
         Net 103:  http://www.webworldinc.com/club103/
         Net 203:  <vacant>
       Region 11:  http://www.vector11.com/region11/
        Net 2410:  http://www.vector11.com/net2410/
       Region 13:  http://www.ispaceonline.org/region13/
         Net 109:  http://www.thelitterbox.net/fido/net109/
         Net 261:  http://www.baltimorepress.com/~net261/
         Net 275:  http://www.ispaceonline.org/net275/
         Net 267:  http://www.angelfire.com/ny4/net267/
         Net 275:  http://www.ispaceonline.org/net275/

       Region 14:  http://www.ouijabrd.com/region14
         Net 282:  http://www.rxn.com/~net282/
       Region 15:  http://www.bobsplc.com/public/reg15
       Region 16:  <vacant>
       Region 17:  http://www.region17.net
         Net 140:  http://www.nwstar.com/~net140
       Region 18:  http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/
     FIDONEWS 19-05               Page 26                   4 Feb 2002


       Region 19:  http://bise.tzo.com/r19
         Net 124:  http://www.DallasInet.com/net124/
                   http://pages.sbcglobal.net/flv/
         Net 393:  http://www.chatter.com/~wb/

     Zone 2:       http://www.z2.fidonet.org
       Region 20:  http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)
       Region 23:  http://www.fido.dk (in Danish)

       Region 24:  http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German)
                   http://www.was-ist-fido.de/
         Fido-IP:  http://home.nrh.de/fido/ (English/German)
       Region 25:  <Vacant>
       Region 26:  http://www.nemesis.ie
          REC 26:  http://www.nrgsys.com/orb
       Region 27:  http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm
       Region 29:  http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/  (French)
                   http://Welcome.to/skynetbbs/
       Region 34:  http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm  (Spanish)
           REC34:  http://www.fidospain.org
       Region 36:  http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/
       Region 38:  http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html
       Region 41:  http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English)
       Region 42:  http://www.fido.cz
          Net422:  http://www.fido.sk (Slovak/English)
       Region 50:  http://www.fido7.com/  (Russian)
        Net 5010:  http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/  (Russian)
        Net 5015:  http://www.fido.nnov.ru/  (Russian)
        Net 5028:  HTTP://5028.nordnet.ru/
        Net 5030:  http://kenga.ru/fido/  (Russian & English)
     ?? Net 5049:  http://www.n5049.z2.fidonet.org  (English/Russian)
        Net 5074:  http://www.n5074.z2.fidonet.net
     ?? Net 5085:  http://www.fidonet.uz/ (Russian)

     Zone 3:       http://www.z3.fidonet.org

     Zone 4:
       Region 80:  http://fidobrasil.8m.com  (Portuguese)
       Region 90:
         Net 904:  http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish)

     Zone 5:       http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/

     Zone 6:       http://www.z6.fidonet.org
       Region 65:  http://r65.yeah.net
                   http://www.cfido.com (Chinese)




                          Fidonet Via Internet Hubs


     a @ preceding an individual's name implies a virtual email
     address. The email is translated as follows
     firstname.lastname@osirusoft.com will automatically route to the
     FIDONEWS 19-05               Page 27                   4 Feb 2002


     appropriate individual's email.  Anyone in this list will
     also receive routed notice of this feature.

                v-email flag firstname.lastname@osirusoft.com
                | email address or
     Node#      | Operator          | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate
                |                   |                |latency|
     -----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
     Zone 1     |                   |                |       |
       10/3     @ Brenda Donovan    | FTP,UUE,BinkP  | 384K,30| n/c
       10/345   @ Todd Cochrane     | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,!  | n/c
       18/500   @ Ross Cassell      | FTP, BinkP     |128K+,!| n/c
      103/5     @ Mark Luetger      | BinkP          | CABLE | n/c
      103/301   @ Joe Jared         | BinkP,FTP,NFS  | 384k,!| n/c
      103/401   @ Warren Bonner     | BinkP          | aDSL,!| n/c
      105/8     @ Russ Johnson      | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k  | n/c
      105/72    @ Larry James       | FTP, BinkP     | aDSL  | $50/yr
      106/1     @ Steve Loupe       | BinkP, FTP     | 128k  | ???
      106/2000  | Bob Juge        | BinkP VMoT FTP TX| ???   | n/c
      106/6018  | Lawrence Garvin   | FTP, VMoT      | aDSL,60| n/c
      107/453   @ Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo.
      134/11    @ Michael Grant  | FTP, BinkP, VMoT UUE, IFCICO,TransX
                                                    aDSL, 60 | n/c
      138/146   | Marc Blakely      | BinkP,FTP      | ???   | n/c
      140/1     @ Bob Seaborn       | FTP,BinkP      | T3,30 | $5/$16
      142/906   | Chris Griffin     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      150/220   | Dave Nemeth       | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      153/7715  | Dallas Hinton     | BinkD, FTP     | CABLE | ???
      167/133   | Stephen Monteith  | BinkP          | 128k+ | n/c
      167/166   | Jesse Dooling     | POP? UUE TX FTP| ???   | n/c
      218/109   @ Matt Munson       | BinkP,UUE,TX   | 33.6k | n/c
      220/10    | groberts@nexusbbs.net |BinkP,FTP,UUE|1.5M+ | n/c
      229/1     | Phil Simpson      | BinkP UUE FTP  | ???   | n/c
      229/2000  | Robert Couture    |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ???   |
      229/622   | Dave Hamilton     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      249/116   | Carl Austin Bennett | FTP, UUE    |ADSL,60 | n/c
      250/98    | Darin McBride     | BinkP FTP TX   | ???   | n/c
      250/99    | Brent McLaren     | FTP BinkP      | ???   | n/c
      250/102   | Darin McBride     | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
      267/169   | Philip Lozier     | FTP TX         | ???   | n/c
      261/1380  | Joe Davis         | UUE TX         | ???   | n/c
      280/169   | Brian Greenstreet | FTP            | 33.6  | $2mo.
      297/11    | Michael McCabe    | TX             | ???   | n/c
      323/120   | Craig Healy       | VMoT FTP       | ???   | n/c
      342/3     @ Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP      | 128K+ | n/c
      360/5     | Bennie Hutto      | FTP VMoT       | aDSL  | n/c
      395/670   | Arthur Stark      | BinkD,FTP      | CABLE | n/c
      379/1     @ Dale Ross         | FTP, BinkP,UUE | 256K+,! n/c
      379/1200  | Chris Cranford    | BinkP FTP TX   | ???   | n/c
      393/9005  | Steve Quarrella  |BinkP TX UUE VMoT| ???   | n/c
      395/670   | Arthur Stark      | BinkP VMoT FTP | ???   | n/c
      396/45    | Marc Lewis        |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ADSL  | n/c
      396/48    | Ben Ritchey       | UUE:BFDS?      | 33.6k | n/c
     2215/300   | Dennis Haddox     | UUE,TX         | CABLE | n/c
     2320/38    | Janis Kracht      | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
     2410/400   | Gary Gilmore      | FTP BinkP      | 384K,60| n/c
     FIDONEWS 19-05               Page 28                   4 Feb 2002


     2410/213   | Kevin Bentz       | FTP, BinkP, UUE| Cable | n/c
     2604/104   @ Jim Mclaughlin    | FTP,VMoT,UUE   | 33.6  | $1mo
     2624/306   | David Calafrancesco  | VMoT        | 33.6  | n/c
     3613/1275  | @ jyates@bsdi.ldl.net | UUE,FTP    | 28.8  | n/c
     3407/4     | Robert Todd    |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
     3632/84    | Robert Todd    |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
     3830/5     | Jeff Schrunk      |BinkP FTP TX UUE| ???   | n/c
     3830/10   | Matt Bedynek      |FTP, BinkD      | OC3     n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 2     |
       20/11    | Henrik Lindhe     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       22/222   | Kim Heino         | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       28/1     | Lody Caenen       | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
       31/1     | Gabriel Plutzar   | BinkP          | T1+   | n/c
       37/37    | Gabor Z. Papp     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       47/999   | Andrej Kirejev    | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      201/329   | Mats Wallin       | VMoT TX        | ???   | n/c
      201/505   | Goran Eriksson    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      203/600   | Mikael Karlsson   | UUE            | 64k   | n/c
      211/37    | Torbjorn Mohn     | BinkP          | 8/2mb | n/c
      221/360   @ Tommi Koivula     | BinkP,UUE      | ???   | n/c
      236/205   @ Michael Kaaber    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      240/6298  | Steve Tell        | BinkP UUE      | ???   | n/c
      246/2098  | Volker Imre       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      252/110   | David Rance       | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      255/90    | Simon Avery       | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      263/950   | Sean Rima         | TX UUE         | ???   | n/c
      280/1027  | Lukas de Groen    | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
      280/1601  @ Jeroen VanDeLeur  | FTP,UUE        | 64k   | n/c
      280/4312  | Jos Huijnen   | BinkP ifcico UUE TX| ???   | n/c
      280/5003  | Kees van Eeten    | BinkP ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      292/620   | Eddy Missoul      | VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 64k   | n/c
      292/624   | Steven Leeman     | UUE            | 64k   | n/c
      292/854   | Ward Dossche      | BinkP UUE TX   | ???   | n/c
      292/907   | Bart Verhaeghe    | BinkP,VMoT,UUE | 64K   | n/c
      292/2003  | Eric Vaneberck    | BinkP          | 768k  | n/c
      301/1     | Peter Witschi     | BinkP          | 768k  | n/c
      332/807   | Roberto Mascolo   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      333/0     | M Gianformaggio   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      335/534   @ Mario Mure        | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k   | n/c
      335/610   | Gino Lucrezi      | UUE            | 33.6  | n/c
      341/14    | Rafael Suarez     | BinkP VMoT     | ???   | n/c
      341/51    | Jose.Maria Tejada | VMoT           |       |
      341/66    | Angel Ripoll      | VMoT           |       |
      343/168   | Jose Casanova     | VMoT           |       |
      344/201   | Julio Garcia      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      346/3     @ Carlos Navarro    | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      347/1     | Javi Polo         | UUE            |       |
      348/105   | Alejandro Estraviz| BinkP UUE      |       |
      382/100   | Sinisa Burina     | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      400/555   | Ofir Michaeli     | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      400/557   | Marius Kaizerman  | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      400/558   | Vlad Hrusca       | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      406/555   | Ofir Michaeli &   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      406/555   | Marius Kaizerman  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      423/81    | Milos Bajer       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     FIDONEWS 19-05               Page 29                   4 Feb 2002


      461/256   | Andrew Rutkas     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      461/640   | Alex Semenyaka    |BinkP ifcico UUE| ???   | n/c
      465/204   | Va Milushnikov    | BinkP          | 33.6k | n/c
      469/84    | Max Masyutin      | VMoT           | 256k  | n/c
      469/128   | Oleg Vasenyoff    | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      480/112   | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k  | n/c
      550/4077  | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE            | ----- | n/c
     2410/201   | Karsten Ebeling   | BinkP UUE      | ???   | n/c
     2411/413   @ Dennis Dittrich   | UUE,BinkP      | 64k   | n/c
     2432/200   | Sven Dueker       | BinkP TX UUE   | ???   | n/c
     2446/301   @ Lothar Behet  | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K   | n/c
     2474/275   | Christian Emig    | UUE            | 64k   | unkn
     2487/3000  | Steffen Gross     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     3830/10    | Matt Bedynek      | FTP, BinkP     | 100Mb | n/c
     5002/5002  | Victor Belyakov   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5014/4     | Alex Bagmanov     | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5020/52    | Peter Didenko     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5020/54    | Serge Wizgounoff  | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5020/69    | B Chernivetsky    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5020/238    | Sergey Gubanov   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5030/115   | Andrey Podkolzin  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5030/1251  | K Stepanekov      | UUE            | ???   | n/c
     5100/8     | Egons Bush        | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5020/1159  | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE          | 33.6  | n/c
     5049/12    | Amir Shabashvili  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5054/3     | Andrew Popov      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5080/80    | Eugene Zorin      | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5083/21    | Alexander Uskov   | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5090/2     | Andrew Titov      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5100/8     | Egons Bush        | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 3
      633/260   @ Malcolm Miles     | FTP,BinkP      | 64K   | n/c
      640/954   | Rick Van Ruth     | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c
      712/311   | Bob James         | TX             | ???   | n/c
      774/605   @ Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 4
      801/161   @ Renato Zambon     | UUE            | 33.6  |n/c
      902/18    | Javier Tejedor    | UUE            | 33,6  | n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 6
       65/3000  | Lawrence Fan      | UUE            | 33600 | free
      653/1009  | Maorong Chen      | UUE            | ???   | free
      654/0     | Bin Li            | UUE,BinkP      | 33600 | free
      654/1501  | Lawrence Fan      | UUE,BinkP      | 28800 | free

     --
     * FTP    = Internet File Transfer Protocol
     * VMoT   = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
     * UUE    = uuencode<->email type transfers
     * BinkP  = front end mailer for TCPIP networks
     * TX     = TransX
     * NFS    = Linux Networking
     * ifcico = ifcico-compatible virtual mailer
     ----------------------------------------------
     FIDONEWS 19-05               Page 30                   4 Feb 2002


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     news.osirusoft.com
     news.tardis.net

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     irc.osirusoft.com  (Peers wanted)

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     =================================================================
                             SPECIAL INTEREST
     =================================================================

                         Nodelist Stats

      Input nodelist  nodelist.032
                size  1146.0kb
                date  2002-02-01

      The nodelist has  10368 nodes in it
        and a total of  13303 non-comment entries

              including     6 zones
                           65 regions
                          473 hosts
                          712 hubs
         admin overhead  1256 ( 12.11 %)

                    and   910 private nodes
                          357 nodes down
                          412 nodes on hold
      off line overhead  1679 ( 16.19 %)


      Speed summary:

               >9600 =    949 (  9.15 %)
                9600 =   8848 ( 85.34 %)
                              (HST  =  182 or   2.06 %)
                              (CSP  =    1 or   0.01 %)
                              (PEP  =   13 or   0.15 %)
                              (MAX  =    0 or   0.00 %)
                              (HAY  =    2 or   0.02 %)
                              (V32  = 4969 or  56.16 %)
                              (V32B =  560 or   6.33 %)
                              (V42  = 4803 or  54.28 %)
                              (V42B =  597 or   6.75 %)
                2400 =    112 (  1.08 %)
                1200 =      6 (  0.06 %)
                 300 =    453 (  4.37 %)

                ISDN =   1134 ( 10.94 %)

     ----------------------------------------------------------
      File Req Flag   Applicable software     Number of systems
     ----------------------------------------------------------
      XA              Frontdoor <1.99b             3855
                      Frontdoor  2.02+
                      Dutchie 2.90c
                      Binkleyterm >2.1
                      D'Bridge <1.3
                      TIMS
                      Xenia
     --------------------------------------
      XB              Binkleyterm 2.0                 9
     FIDONEWS 19-05               Page 32                   4 Feb 2002


                      Dutchie 2.90b
     --------------------------------------
      XC              Opus 1.1                       11
     --------------------------------------
      XP              Seadog                          7
     --------------------------------------
      XR              Opus 1.03                      71
     --------------------------------------
      XW              Fido >12M                     403
                      Tabby
     --------------------------------------
      XX              D'Bridge 1.30                4541
                      Frontdoor 1.99b
                      Intermail 2.01
                      Tmail
     --------------------------------------
      None            QMM                          1471
     --------------------------------------

      CrashMail capable =   3496 ( 33.72 %)
      MailOnly nodes    =   5533 ( 53.37 %)
      Listed-only nodes =    799 (  7.71 %)
      Other             =    540 (  5.21 %)

      [Report produced by NETSTATS - A PD pgm available from 1:106/100]
      [                                 Revised by B Felten, 2:203/208]

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