     The  F I D O N E W S      Volume 19, Number 02             14 Jan 2002 
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     | |The newsletter of the | | Fido, Fidonet and dog-with-diskette are |
     | |  FidoNet community.  | | US Registered Trademarks of Tom Jennings|
     | |                      | |     San Francisco, California, USA      |
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     |           |__U__| /  \// |         Editor: Bjrn Felten            |
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     |  / Fido \ (_/(_|(____/   |   Newspapers should have no friends.    |
     | (________)       (jm)    |                    -- JOSEPH PULITZER   |
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            Copyright 2002 by Fidonews Editor for Fidonews Globally.


                        Table of Contents
     1. FOOD FOR THOUGHT  .........................................  1
     2. INSIDE  ...................................................  2
        The Fidonews at a Glance  .................................  2
     3. EDITORIAL  ................................................  3
        A tribute to Frank Vest  ..................................  3
     4. GENERAL ARTICLES  .........................................  5
        It's not a total "goodbye"  ...............................  5
        Catcalls from the Cheap Seats  ............................  6
     5. EDITOR'S CORNER  .......................................... 11
        The umlaut disclaimer  .................................... 11
     6. CLEAN HUMOR & JOKES  ...................................... 12
        If Operating Systems Ran Airlines  ........................ 12
     7. FIDONET CLASSIFIED ADS  ................................... 14
        Collin County Station BBS  ................................ 14
     8. TODD COCHRANE'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING  ................. 15
        Fidonet Software List  .................................... 15
     9. JOE JARED'S FIDONET BY INTERNET  .......................... 19
        Fidonet-related sites  .................................... 19
     10. SPECIAL INTEREST  ........................................ 25
        Nodelist Stats  ........................................... 25
     11. FIDONEWS INFORMATION  .................................... 27
        How to Submit an Article  ................................. 27
        Credits, Legal Infomation, Availability  .................. 28
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                             FOOD FOR THOUGHT
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     "The trouble with life is there's no background music."

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                                  INSIDE
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                            The Fidonews at a Glance

        What really happened to Frank and why did he quit? Find out all
     about it in this weeks "Editorial".

        In the "General Articles" section we have two submissions. One from
     Editor Emeritus Frank Vest, giving a slightly different view upon his
     resignation. And one from former FidoNet sysop Luke Kolin, giving some
     thoughts about todays FidoNet.

        Did editor's name in the banner look strange? Find out why in
     "Editor's Corner".

        An old classic was added to the "Clean Jokes..." section, just to
     keep this issue from looking too anorexic.

        Did you forget that the Snooze has a "Classified" section? Take a
     look at how a pro makes use of it in this week's issue. :)

        The "Nodelist Stats" in the "Special Interest" section has once
     again changed, but just a minor change this time.


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                                 EDITORIAL
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                        A tribute to Frank Vest
                           By Bjrn Felten

     The conception happened some day before April 23rd 2001. At first
     the pregnancy went on almost unnoticed, but soon it became obvious
     to the mother, that this was anything but a normal baby.

        It soon started kicking and making noise, so that the mother
     never got a quiet moment. But throughout this ordeal, the brave
     mother never showed how tormented she was. Not even when the
     morning sickness became more and more severe, did she even show
     any sign of the usual mode swings. The only, out-of-ordinary, was
     a sudden craving for pickled salmon...

        But in the eighth month it became obvious, that she needed
     help with the delivery of this baby. So she started looking
     around for a midwife to help her out. When I was asked, I hesitated
     for a long time. Not only did I know what an important baby this
     was. If I made a mistake, it would haunt me for the rest of my
     life. I also realized it would mean a lot of work.

        However, out of concern with the mother as well as the baby, I
     eventually accepted. And not a day too soon, it turned out. The
     mother immediately went into hard labour, and then delivered a
     baby pup, at least two weeks early.

        The mother said she would never again get involved in the
     activities that put her in this position. She is now recovering
     at home, and the baby was sent away to a far-away country across
     the Atlantic. A country where the polar bears are running freely
     in the streets, where the women are tall, blond and promiscuous,
     and the men spend most of their time committing suicide. Now, what
     kind of a country is that to raise a kid in (unless you want to
     raise the best ice hockey player in the world)?

        Anyhow, the first time, loads of mothers milk was sent to the
     baby, so it's been well fed. It's still far too tiny, as could be
     expected from the premature birth, but with the tender care from
     the relatives and friends, it probably will grow up to be a fine
     kid. All the telegrams from proud relatives, sent to the distant
     country, gave the baby the warmth it needs.

        I heard that telegrams and flowers, congratulating the mother,
     helped a lot to make her recover. The promise not to get involved
     in the activities, that put her in this situation, is quite normal.
     With some distance to the events, her sex^M^M^Mfido-life will
     probably go back to (almost) normal again.

        IOW, Mr. Mom Frank, I have your old column reserved for you,
     whenever you feel up to start writing for the Snooze again. I
     know for sure, I'm not the only one, that's hoping this will
     happen sooner than later.
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        It is with great pride I add the name Frank L. Vest to the list
     of Editors Emeriti, where it looks really nice, together with all
     those other, great names of our network.


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                             GENERAL ARTICLES
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                            It's not a total "goodbye"
                                 By Frank Vest
                                  1:124/6308.1

      Last week, I announced that I was resigning the Editorship of the
     Fidonews. It had been coming for a while and I had asked Bjrn Felten
     to take the position. He agreed and we had plans to change over around
     the first of February. It didn't happen that way and my apologies to
     Bjrn for that.

      I want... no... I need to tell everyone that it wasn't any one thing
     that caused me to leave.

      The Editorship of the Fidonews is a demanding position. Unless you
     have been there, you really don't know how demanding it can be. Even
     if every article that you receive (providing you receive any at all)
     is perfect in format and other technical aspects, the Editor still
     has to receive, test, proof read, compile and produce then hatch the
     Fidonews each week. To do this all but requires that the Editor be
     available and checking the different methods in place for receiving
     articles on a daily basis. When one accepts the Editorship, one
     suddenly finds that their world revolves around the Fidonews. Planning
     a trip or vacation is many times made to allow for the final testing,
     compiling and hatching of the Fidonews. Even if much is automated,
     some things can not be.

      One may say that much of the production of the Fidonews /could/ be
     automated. Maybe so, but there is still the need, nay, the requirement
     of human intervention. To simply set up programs to receive articles,
     compile them and then hatch the finished product would work to some
     degree, but not always. A file could come in that, while formatted
     correctly and with no errors, is not meant to be an article. An
     article can be received that meets all the technical qualifications,
     but was not meant to be or shouldn't be an article. There will always
     be the need for an Editor.

      No, my friends, it was not any one thing or person. It was a build up
     of things. I knew it was coming.

      I'd like to thank some people in this article. I'm sure that I'll
     miss some names. Consider yourself thanked any way. So, in mo
     particular order:

     Bjrn Felten; for taking the Editorship... even though I didn't give
     him as much time as we both would have liked. :-)

     Warren Bonner and Steve Quarrella; Both have been my "shoulder to cry
     on" many times. I believe that an Editor needs that as much, or more,
     than anything else.

     Michiel Van Der Vlist; We had our disagreements, but you handled them
     with respect and dignity. I commend you for that.
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     Carl Austin Bennett; You posted the Fidonews to the echo like
     clockwork except for the times that I screwed up and didn't get the
     Fidonews to you. :-)  Thanks!

      I'm sure that I've missed some. My thanks to you as well. <smile>

      I'll still be around to some degree. I have some things that I still
     want to do that have little to do with Fidonet politics. I'll write
     the occasional article and, maybe, visit the echo from time to time.
     Who can say what the future will bring. :)


      Thanks to all,

      Frank Vest

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                       Catcalls from the Cheap Seats
                             By Luke Kolin


     I took the week off to develop a really good rant, this time. Hope
     your ZC hasn't imploded yet.

     I was in fine form last week. After a pleasant few days of becoming
     drunk, belligerent and sarcastic by consuming wheat beer and trolling
     fuckedcompany.com, I had warmed up nicely for a bitter and scathing
     response to Andrea Santos' recent article on the Mail-Only trouble
     makers that now comprise 55% of the nodelist. Unfortunately, an
     artificial buzz is very difficult to maintain, and I started mellowing
     significantly near the end. I'll save the missed article for a slow
     week when I run low on material. That, or I'll send it to Doc Logger
     for inspiration in exchange for whatever rhubarb wine he can smuggle
     past the US Customs Service.

     I'm sad to hear that Lesley-Dee lasted only a week as RC12, which is
     roughly the same amount of time as her Internet e-mails take to reach
     me, or signals from Voyager 1 take to reach Earth from the next
     galaxy. It's a shame, but she should realize that Janis is performing
     a fine-tuned political trick: punishment of one's political opponents.
     It's not like Canada's best Prime Minister that government money could
     buy is busy flattening Alberta grasslands in favour of hotels and
     golf courses - he's busy too running their health care system into the
     ground. Such a course of action is truly for the politically naive: I
     discovered as RC and NC that letting my opponents post in the election
     conference was worth more votes than any of my robot mailings. If some
     of them didn't exist, I would have had to invent them myself.

     Let me pay Frank Vest a legitimate compliment, for once. He's raised
     some valid questions about the future of FidoNet, and he cares. He's
     also, however, missed the telecommunications revolution of the past
     five years.

     One of the most difficult and tiresome aspects of running a BBS is
     keeping the connectivity up; getting the modems to work, and allowing
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     multiple lines and multiple users. ISPs have revolutionized this line
     of work, and managed to take this work entirely out of the BBS
     operators hands, at speeds that BBS operators can only dream of.
     Hosting companies allow you to create free (or almost free) sites on
     hardware they worry about keeping up. Why on Earth FidoNet would seek
     to replace this fantastic infrastructure with something out of the
     late 1980s is utterly beyond me. ISPs are turning into the common
     access point for ALL networks. It's happened. Get over it.

     I run a bulletin board, for flight simulation enthusiasts. I have
     hundreds of users visiting it, and I can support multiple simultaneous
     users at speeds up to 144k each. They can connect from anywhere in the
     world for no additional cost, and the whole setup costs me around $90
     per month. All of this is run through a little plastic box about six
     by six inches in size that I plug into my main LAN switch. Needless to
     say, I am *NOT* using a old-fashioned phone line (or multiple lines),
     so why should FidoNet?

     FidoNet was never about technology, it was always about content. Yet
     the FidoNet of today has grown so wedded to its OBSOLETE access
     technology that it is losing its content producers, and the network
     itself is dying.

     Users are not visiting FidoNet because the access method is
     inefficient, slow, expensive and obsolete. Ever day, millions of
     individuals use the Internet. Some have high-speed connections, and
     not only are they used to such speed, they (like myself) no longer own
     a modem and couldn't connect to a BBS even if they wanted to. Others
     don't see the point in dialing in to a single line system at 28.8k,
     when they can dial into a multi-line ISP at almost twice the speed,
     never get a busy signal, and visit thousands of bulletin boards on the
     web without having to start the process all over again. I don't even
     want to get into the differences between the multilingual graphical
     experience of the Web, compared to the ANSI graphics that last excited
     people when Michael Dukakis did.

     And every day, the group of people I describe gets larger and larger.

     There will be some wise soul from the even cheaper seats who suggests
     that telnet BBSing is the way to go. While the protocol allows us to
     leverage certain advantages of IP like multiple connections and
     eliminating distance from the equation, such a move is like moving
     from 1988 to 1993, when the academics considered 'Internet Commerce'
     to have as much of a future as the Black Vegan Lesbians for Strom
     Thurmond Political Action Committee.

     When I was a teenager with an interest in computers, FidoNet was
     pretty cool. Lots of teenagers and college students with a computer
     and a modem set up a BBS using free software like Binkley and Maximus
     and begged their folks for an extra phone line. Today, those same kids
     set up a Linux box on their cable modem, install
     Apache/WarFTP/mySQL/PHP/UBB and build a web site that is light years
     beyond anything that FidoNet can offer.

     FidoNet has lost the young hobbyists. It's lost most of the developers
     who were busy writing tools and utilities for Fido, save for the
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     Eastern Europeans whose level of technology and Internet penetration
     hasn't caught up to the West yet - which is why most of the new stuff
     in Fido in the past five years has come from Zone 2. Zone 1 is
     increasingly composed of the die-hards who've been around for the past
     five to ten years, and are convinced that the Internet is nothing more
     than completely unregulated spam-filled newsgroups. It's a similar
     view to my mother, who believes that the Internet is nothing more than
     a mechanism for men to view pornography and have online affairs when
     they're not busy downloading plans for homemade biological weapons.

     Frank, feeding the dog in the manner you suggest is like feeding your
     dog some Dog Chow that's been sitting around in your basement growing
     moldy and stale since 1988. If it doesn't kill the pooch, I don't want
     to be around when you do the stooping and scooping.

     Speaking of stooping and scooping, not knowing Janis I would be forced
     to assume that FidoNet has finally achieved every geek's dream and
     found a female 19-year-old sysadmin with some basic social skills and
     an obsessive desire for order and network regulation. I cannot help
     but be reminded of my teenage year (well, six months) as RC12 where
     the geographical overlaps and failures to achieve economies of scale
     in CRPs caused me acute heartburn and the desire to make changes. In
     the intervening decade, I like to think I've learned a thing or two
     about the anal-retentive desire for control, most importantly that
     there was very little I could do short of causing myself grief and
     being a jerk. Janis, I was 19 and didn't know any better when I did
     what I did. What's your excuse?

     I would be remiss if I didn't suggest to Janis that she should
     probably go all the way and toast all of Region 12 from the nodelist
     altogether. If the NCs/NECs in the Region manage to get their act
     together and distribute the alternative nodelist to the vast majority
     of sysops there, you and your little Quisling RC will have as much
     authority as I will after I appoint myself the new ZC. At that point,
     you have a totally separate bit of FidoNet which has branched off and
     refused to recognize you. You either toast the whole bunch and see if
     you get away with it, or you resign.

     Lesley-Dee, you shouldn't be surprised that individuals say one thing
     to get elected, and then do the complete opposite. I find it droll
     that Canadians, of all people, would be the ones to get most upset
     about it. I recall America having a President who (around the same
     time FidoNet was cutting edge) promised no new taxes. He broke the
     promise after being arm-twisted by Congress, and got turfed out for
     his weak spine four years later. In Canada, you had a Deputy Prime
     Minister who promised to repeal a sales tax to get elected.
     Afterwards, she denied she ever made the claim, accused the voters of
     being too dense to understand the suttle nuances in her promise, and
     has been re-elected with increased majorities three times since. You
     can't really fault Janis for trying to do the same thing - you folks
     have a history of falling for that kind of nonsense. To paraphrase Kim
     Campbell, elections are too fleeting to discuss such important matters
     as the truth.

     This whole Policy4 discussion reminds me of political discourse in my
     native country - pretty much everyone (except those who get government
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     money or patronage) wants the ruling party gone, but they can never
     decide who to replace it with. The issue with P4 is that it was
     designed by sysadmins, not people. It's a fantastic way to organize a
     network along rational 1980s lines, but is utterly incapable of
     addressing social issues and technological change. It boggles my mind
     that over a decade after the first RC election in Region 12, with
     elections entrenched all across FidoNet, you still have an enforced
     policy that allows one co-ordinator to arbitrarily remove another for
     any reason. In the age of the Internet and world-wide connectivity,
     you have restrictions on which network you must have a node number in.

     The twits that think this is still a good idea are the same ones that
     would force me to have an e-mail address like
     luke.kolin@person.roswell.east.cobb.co.ga.us or some other 'orderly'
     mechanism, which I would probably need to change if I moved around the
     corner. Of course, for themselves they insist on personalized vanity
     license plates like UNIXGOD on their cars. They are the same ones that
     ran the .ca domain registry for years with silly geography-based rules
     on what kind of domain name you could get (in a network designed to
     make geography irrelevant - hello!) and turned up their noses at the
     'chaos' of the InterNIC model until they discovered that most
     Canadians decided to get .com addresses for more visibility and less
     bureaucratic nonsense. (Not to mention 12 hour turnaround instead of 2
     weeks.) It's no coincidence that the Internet only took off when we
     took the organization Nazis such as these out of the loop, sent them
     back to their CS departments at gradual school and let real people do
     what they wanted with it. The geeks are still moaning about how every
     moron can get online these days, and how much better the Internet was
     when there were only 700 people could connect to it and they could
     discuss PDP-7 assembly language programming to their hearts' content.

     If you really want to feed the dog, FidoNet needs to eliminate this
     nonsense about appointed *Cs and organizational structure based around
     geography and the phone system. Make them all elected. If your NC or
     RC is an incompetent idiot, you're free to join whatever Net or Region
     you want. If you want to connect via some Internet method only, great!
     How often do you need connectivity to every single node in FidoNet? So
     long as you can somehow get mail to them, what's the issue? How often
     do you try and send crashmail to the single FidoNet node in Botswana?
     99.99% of mail is routed to begin with. Build a new generation of
     FidoNet software, based upon something free like PHP. Bundle it
     together so that any hobbyist with access to a Linux or NT box or a
     hosting service that provides PHP and SQL access (ie. any one worth
     its salt) can set up a new Fido bulletin board. How hard could it be
     to write a utility that converts messages stored in a SQL database
     into that old PKT format for the legacy types?

     That's assuming that grouping together in a content network on the Web
     actually has its advantages. The beauty of the modern Internet over
     Fido is it allows the users to come from anywhere to a single point
     for content, instead of distributing the content to the users. If the
     Web is the content network, as well as the transport mechanism, then
     FidoNet's situation is terminal and feeding the dog won't do a darn
     thing. You might as well keep the pooch warm and comfortable, and send
     your old nodelists to the Smithsonian.

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                              EDITOR'S CORNER
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                           The umlaut disclaimer

        When first it was obvious, that this editor had a strange character
     in his name, there were suggestions that I should tell those of you,
     that don't see it properly, what that third character of my first
     name, really should look like.

        Well, in FidoNet, where the FidoNews is distributed, the character
     set assumed is IBM PC-8, if nothing else is declared. So if you don't
     get that umlauted 'o' properly, you may want to change the char-set of
     your reader, because there'll probably be more of those, strange
     characters in here in the future.

        But as a one-time service, I'll let you know what my name should
     look like if properly displayed.

        HTML:       Bj&ouml;rn Felten
        ISO Latin:  Bjrn Felten
        Mac OS:     Bjrn Felten
        AltNum:     Bj<Alt-1-4-8>rn Felten


        Thanks to   Aleksej R. Serdyukov @ 2:5020/1973.20
              and   Raymond Rosch @ 3:713/910

        ...for their kind contributions on this matter.


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                            CLEAN HUMOR & JOKES
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                   If Operating Systems Ran Airlines

     UNIX Airways

     Everyone brings one piece of the plane along when they come to the
     airport. They all go out on the runway and put the plane together
     piece by piece, arguing non-stop about what kind of plane they are
     supposed to be building.


     Air DOS

     Everybody pushes the airplane until it glides, then they jump on and
     let the plane coast until it hits the ground again. Then they push
     again, jump on again, and so on...


     Mac Airlines

     All the stewards, captains, baggage handlers, and ticket agents look
     neat and act exactly the same. Every time you ask questions about
     details, you are gently but firmly told that you don't need to know,
     that you really don't want to know, and that everything will be done
     for you without your ever having to know, so just shut the f... up.


     Windows Air

     The terminal is pretty and colorful, with friendly stewards, easy
     baggage check and boarding, and a smooth take-off. After about 10
     minutes in the air, the plane explodes with no warning whatsoever.


     Windows NT Air

     Just like Windows Air, but costs more, uses much bigger planes, and
     takes out all the other aircrafts within a 40-mile radius when it
     explodes.


     Linux Air

     Disgruntled employees of all the other OS airlines decide to start
     their own airline. They build the planes, ticket counters, and pave
     the runways themselves. They charge a small fee to cover the cost of
     printing the ticket, but you can also download and print the ticket
     yourself. When you board the plane, you are given a seat, four
     bolts, a wrench and a copy of the seat-HOWTO.html. You take the seat
     to a location of your choice and bolt it into the deck, per the
     instructions. Once settled, the fully adjustable seat is very
     comfortable, the plane leaves and arrives on time without a single
     problem, the in-flight meal is wonderful. You try to tell customers
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     of the other airlines about the great trip, but all they can say is,
     "Good grief, you had to do what with the seat...?"



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                          FIDONET CLASSIFIED ADS
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                           Collin County Station BBS
                                 By Frank Vest
                                   1:124/6308

                           Collin County Station BBS
                                McKinney, Texas
                       would like to invite you to visit.

      If you are in the Dallas Metro or McKinney, Texas area, you can dial
                         into the BBS at 972-562-8064.

            We also have limited telnet access upon request.
                      e-mail;  puppy6308 at sbcglobal.net
            and we will be happy to tell you about the telnet access

      Currently running Inter-BBS "Word War". Soon to add "Triple Yahtzee"

                      100+ Fidonet Echos for your reading

                    50+ games online via dial-up and telnet
                           including L.O.R.D. and BRE

                          All 28 JNS Doors, registered

                        We try to be a User Friendly BBS

                            Drop by a visit us. :-)

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                 TODD COCHRANE'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING
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                             Fidonet Software List
                                By Todd Cochrane
     Type:

     B=BBS  D=Door  M=Mailer  T=Tosser   C=Communication (terminal)
     U=Utility  P=Point Software  I=Internet (telnet, BinkP...)

     <+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+=-=+=-=-+-=-=+=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+>
     (   Software Name     ) |Type| (         Author/Contact              )
     <+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+=-=|=-=-|-=-=+=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+>
     |BBBS Home Page         |B   | b@bbbs.net                            |
     |                       |    | www.bbbs.net/                         |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |ELEBBS The Elevator    |B   | elebbs@elebbs.com                     |
     |Software Production    |    | www.elebbs.com                        |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Hermes II Project      |B   | info@HermesII.org                     |
     |                       |    | http://www.hermesii.org/              |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Maximus BBS Support    |B   | sales@lainus.com                      |
     |Page (Non Official)    |    | http://www.vector11.com/maximus/      |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |MBSE BBS               |B   | Michiel Broek                         |
     |                       |    | mbroek@users.sourceforge.net          |
     |                       |    | http://mbse.sourceforge.net           |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Mystic BBS             |B   | http://www.mysticbbs.com/mystic/      |
     |                       |    |                                       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Nexus Bulletin         |B   | groberts@nexusbbs.net                 |
     |Board System           |    | http://www.nexusbbs.net/              |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Proboard, Searchlight, |BC  | info@telegrafix.com                   |
     |Telegrafix             |    | http://www.telegrafix.com             |
     |Communications         |    | 540-678-4050                          |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |RemoteAccess           |B   | Bruce Morse                           |
     |Central                |    | bfmorse@rapro.com                     |
     |                       |    | http://www.rapro.com/                 |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Spitfire BBS           |B   | MDWoltz@AOL.COM                       |
     |Buffalo Creek Software |    |http://www.angelfire.com/ia/buffalo/   |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Synchronet BBS         |BT  | sysop@vert.synchro.net                |
     |                       |    | http://www.synchro.net                |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Telegard BBS           |B   | support@telegard.net                  |
     |                       |    | http://www.telegard.net/              |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Wildcat Interactive    |BTMI| sales@santronics.com                  |
     |Net Server             |    | http://www.santronics.com             |
     FIDONEWS 19-02               Page 16                  14 Jan 2002


     |Plantinum Express      |    |(305)248-3204                          |
     |                       |    | Santronics Inc.                       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Bentstone Capabilities |D   | info@stonebenders.com                 |
     |Group                  |    | http://www.srupc.com/mall             |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Jibben Software        |D   | scott@jibben.com                      |
     |                       |    | http://www.jibbensoftware.com/        |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |JNS Software Door Games|D   | Rusty Johnson                         |
     |                       |    | rustyjohnson57@hotmail.com            |
     |                       |    | 304-733-0113                          |
     |                       |    | http://www.geocities.com/jnssoftware/ |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Legend Of The Red      |D   |                                       |
     |Dragon Reborn          |    |                                       |
     |(L.O.R.D.)             |    | http://www.lordlegacy.org/            |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |PC Pursuits            |D   |brucep@pop.kis.net                     |
     |                       |    |(301)240-6653                          |
     |                       |    |http://www.pcpursuits.com/products.htm |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |S and T Software       |D   |Mark Bappe                             |
     |                       |    |mark.bappe@bozax.iainc.net             |
     |                       |    |(770)788-6843                          |
     |                       |    |http://bozax.iainc.net/public/         |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Shinning Star BBS Doors|D   |nannette@shiningstar.net               |
     |                       |    |http://www.shiningstar.net/bbsdoors/   |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Sunrise Door Software  |D   |Al Lawerence                           |
     |                       |    |al@sunrisedoors.com                    |
     |                       |    |(404)256-9518                          |
     |                       |    |http://www.sunrisedoors.com/           |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |The Brainex System     |D   |info@brainex.com                       |
     |                       |    |http://www.brainex.com/brainex_system/ |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Trade Wars Door Game   |D   |jpritch@eisonline.com                  |
     |                       |    |http://www.eisonline.com/tradewars/    |
     |                       |    |1:299/110                              |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Vagabond Software      |D   |Bryan Turner                           |
     |                       |    |vagabond@darktech.org                  |
     |                       |    |http://vagabond.virtualave.net/        |
     |                       |    |1:124/7013                             |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |FMail Support          |T   |wijnstra@fmail.nl.eu.org               |
     |                       |    |http://fmail.nl.eu.org/                |
     |                       |    |2:280/1076                             |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Squish Tosser          |T   |http://www.lanius.com/squish.htm       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Argus RITLABS          |M   |argus@ritlabs.com                      |
     |                       |    |373-2-246889                           |
     |                       |    |http://www.ritlabs.com/argus/          |
     FIDONEWS 19-02               Page 17                  14 Jan 2002


     |                       |    |2:469/84                               |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |FrontDoor              |MTPC|Definite Solutions                     |
     |FrontDoor APX          |    |sales@defsol.se                        |
     |Mailer/Point Software  |    |http://www.defsol.se/                  |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |BeeMail Home Page      |M   |http://beemail.gexonline.net           |
     |                       |    |Stephen Proffit                        |
     |                       |    |1:211/405                              |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |BinkleyTerm XE         |M   |http://btxe.sourceforge.net/           |
     |Frontend Mailer        |    |                                       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |BinkD                  |MI  |maloff@corbina.net                     |
     |                       |    |http://2f.ru/binkd/                    |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Fidogate               |UIT |Martin_Junius@m-j-s.net                |
     |                       |    |http://www.fidogate.org/               |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Fidonet to Internet    |IM  |Bo Bendtsen                            |
     |Mailer                 |    |sales@terminate.com                    |
     |                       |    |http://www.terminate.com/fido2int.htm  |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |GiGo Software          |UI  |http://www.gigo.com/                   |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Internet Rex           |IM  |cruden@cs.ualberta.ca                  |
     |                       |    |http://plaza.v-wave.com/InternetRex/   |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Tmail                  |IM  |http://www.tmail.spb.ru/index-19.htm   |
     |(Russian /w English DL)|    |                                       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |TransX Multiboard      |M   |support@multiboard.com                 |
     |Communications Inc.    |    |http://www.multiboard.com/software/    |
     |                       |    |transx.html                            |
     |                       |    |1:2401/305                             |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |TransNet               |I   |transnet@ressl.com.ar                  |
     |                       |    |http://www.ressl.com.ar/transnet/      |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Watergate              |I   |ramon@sbbs.se                          |
     |                       |    |http://www2.sbbs.se/hp/ramon/          |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |JetSys-Home of JetMail |TU  |http://www.jetsys.de/                  |
     |JetStat and other Atari|    |                                       |
     |Fidonet utilities      |    |                                       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |APoint (Author)        |P   |http://www.apoint.websale.net/index.htm|
     |                       |    |http://www.apoint-mail.de (Co-Autho)   |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |CrossPoint             |P   |("Original" version)                   |
     |                       |    |http://www.crosspoint.de               |
     |                       |    |http://www.apoint-mail.de              |
     |                       |    |(OpenXP Projekt)                       |
     |                       |    |http://www.openxp.com (English)        |
     |                       |    |http://www.openxp.de (German)          |
     |                       |    |CrossPoint (XP2 Team)                  |
     FIDONEWS 19-02               Page 18                  14 Jan 2002


     |                       |    |http://www.xp2.de                      |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |WinPoint95             |P   |http://www.schenksmir.de/wp/english    |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |The OpenXP CrossPoint  |P   |http://www.happyarts.de/xp             |
     |Projekt                |    |                                       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Terminate Terminal     |P   |http://www.terminate.com               |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |PPoint-FTS compatible  |P   |http://www.alcuf.ca/ppoint.htm         |
     |E-Mail System          |    |                                       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     \====================================================================/

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     FIDONEWS 19-02               Page 19                  14 Jan 2002


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                   http://pages.sbcglobal.net/flv/
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                v-email flag firstname.lastname@osirusoft.com
                | email address or
     Node#      | Operator          | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate
                |                   |                |latency|
     -----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
     Zone 1     |                   |                |       |
       10/3     @ Brenda Donovan    | FTP,UUE,BinkP  | 384K,30| n/c
       10/345   @ Todd Cochrane     | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,!  | n/c
       18/500   @ Ross Cassell      | FTP, BinkP     |128K+,!| n/c
      103/5     @ Mark Luetger      | BinkP          | CABLE | n/c
      103/301   @ Joe Jared         | BinkP,FTP,NFS  | 384k,!| n/c
      103/401   @ Warren Bonner     | BinkP          | aDSL,!| n/c
      105/8     @ Russ Johnson      | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k  | n/c
      105/72    @ Larry James       | FTP, BinkP     | aDSL  | $50/yr
      106/1     @ Steve Loupe       | BinkP, FTP     | 128k  | ???
      106/2000  | Bob Juge        | BinkP VMoT FTP TX| ???   | n/c
      106/6018  | Lawrence Garvin   | FTP, VMoT      | aDSL,60| n/c
      107/453   @ Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo.
      134/11    @ Michael Grant  | FTP, BinkP, VMoT UUE, IFCICO,TransX
                                                    aDSL, 60 | n/c
      138/146   | Marc Blakely      | BinkP,FTP      | ???   | n/c
      140/1     @ Bob Seaborn       | FTP,BinkP      | T3,30 | $5/$16
      142/906   | Chris Griffin     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      150/220   | Dave Nemeth       | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      153/7715  | Dallas Hinton     | BinkD, FTP     | CABLE | ???
      167/133   | Stephen Monteith  | BinkP          | 128k+ | n/c
      167/166   | Jesse Dooling     | POP? UUE TX FTP| ???   | n/c
      218/109   @ Matt Munson       | BinkP,UUE,TX   | 33.6k | n/c
      220/10    | groberts@nexusbbs.net |BinkP,FTP,UUE|1.5M+ | n/c
      229/1     | Phil Simpson      | BinkP UUE FTP  | ???   | n/c
      229/2000  | Robert Couture    |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ???   |
      229/622   | Dave Hamilton     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      249/116   | Carl Austin Bennett | FTP, UUE    |ADSL,60 | n/c
      250/98    | Darin McBride     | BinkP FTP TX   | ???   | n/c
      250/99    | Brent McLaren     | FTP BinkP      | ???   | n/c
      250/102   | Darin McBride     | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
      267/169   | Philip Lozier     | FTP TX         | ???   | n/c
      261/1380  | Joe Davis         | UUE TX         | ???   | n/c
      280/169   | Brian Greenstreet | FTP            | 33.6  | $2mo.
      297/11    | Michael McCabe    | TX             | ???   | n/c
      323/120   | Craig Healy       | VMoT FTP       | ???   | n/c
      342/3     @ Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP      | 128K+ | n/c
      360/5     | Bennie Hutto      | FTP VMoT       | aDSL  | n/c
      395/670   | Arthur Stark      | BinkD,FTP      | CABLE | n/c
      379/1     @ Dale Ross         | FTP, BinkP,UUE | 256K+,! n/c
      379/1200  | Chris Cranford    | BinkP FTP TX   | ???   | n/c
      393/9005  | Steve Quarrella  |BinkP TX UUE VMoT| ???   | n/c
      395/670   | Arthur Stark      | BinkP VMoT FTP | ???   | n/c
      396/45    | Marc Lewis        |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ADSL  | n/c
      396/48    | Ben Ritchey       | UUE:BFDS?      | 33.6k | n/c
     2215/300   | Dennis Haddox     | UUE,TX         | CABLE | n/c
     2320/38    | Janis Kracht      | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
     2410/400   | Gary Gilmore      | FTP BinkP      | 384K,60| n/c
     2410/213   | Kevin Bentz       | FTP, BinkP, UUE| Cable | n/c
     FIDONEWS 19-02               Page 22                  14 Jan 2002


     2604/104   @ Jim Mclaughlin    | FTP,VMoT,UUE   | 33.6  | $1mo
     2624/306   | David Calafrancesco  | VMoT        | 33.6  | n/c
     3613/1275  | @ jyates@bsdi.ldl.net | UUE,FTP    | 28.8  | n/c
     3407/4     | Robert Todd    |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
     3632/84    | Robert Todd    |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
     3830/5     | Jeff Schrunk      |BinkP FTP TX UUE| ???   | n/c
     3830/10   | Matt Bedynek      |FTP, BinkD      | OC3     n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 2     |
       20/11    | Henrik Lindhe     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       22/222   | Kim Heino         | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       28/1     | Lody Caenen       | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
       31/1     | Gabriel Plutzar   | BinkP          | T1+   | n/c
       37/37    | Gabor Z. Papp     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       47/999   | Andrej Kirejev    | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      201/329   | Mats Wallin       | VMoT TX        | ???   | n/c
      201/505   | Goran Eriksson    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      203/600   | Mikael Karlsson   | UUE            | 64k   | n/c
      211/37    | Torbjorn Mohn     | BinkP          | 8/2mb | n/c
      221/360   @ Tommi Koivula     | BinkP,UUE      | ???   | n/c
      236/205   @ Michael Kaaber    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      240/6298  | Steve Tell        | BinkP UUE      | ???   | n/c
      246/2098  | Volker Imre       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      252/110   | David Rance       | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      255/90    | Simon Avery       | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      263/950   | Sean Rima         | TX UUE         | ???   | n/c
      280/1027  | Lukas de Groen    | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
      280/1601  @ Jeroen VanDeLeur  | FTP,UUE        | 64k   | n/c
      280/4312  | Jos Huijnen   | BinkP ifcico UUE TX| ???   | n/c
      280/5003  | Kees van Eeten    | BinkP ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      292/620   | Eddy Missoul      | VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 64k   | n/c
      292/624   | Steven Leeman     | UUE            | 64k   | n/c
      292/854   | Ward Dossche      | BinkP UUE TX   | ???   | n/c
      292/907   | Bart Verhaeghe    | BinkP,VMoT,UUE | 64K   | n/c
      292/2003  | Eric Vaneberck    | BinkP          | 768k  | n/c
      301/1     | Peter Witschi     | BinkP          | 768k  | n/c
      332/807   | Roberto Mascolo   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      333/0     | M Gianformaggio   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      335/534   @ Mario Mure        | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k   | n/c
      335/610   | Gino Lucrezi      | UUE            | 33.6  | n/c
      341/14    | Rafael Suarez     | BinkP VMoT     | ???   | n/c
      341/51    | Jose.Maria Tejada | VMoT           |       |
      341/66    | Angel Ripoll      | VMoT           |       |
      343/168   | Jose Casanova     | VMoT           |       |
      344/201   | Julio Garcia      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      346/3     @ Carlos Navarro    | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      347/1     | Javi Polo         | UUE            |       |
      348/105   | Alejandro Estraviz| BinkP UUE      |       |
      382/100   | Sinisa Burina     | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      400/555   | Ofir Michaeli     | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      400/557   | Marius Kaizerman  | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      400/558   | Vlad Hrusca       | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      406/555   | Ofir Michaeli &   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      406/555   | Marius Kaizerman  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      423/81    | Milos Bajer       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      461/256   | Andrew Rutkas     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     FIDONEWS 19-02               Page 23                  14 Jan 2002


      461/640   | Alex Semenyaka    |BinkP ifcico UUE| ???   | n/c
      465/204   | Va Milushnikov    | BinkP          | 33.6k | n/c
      469/84    | Max Masyutin      | VMoT           | 256k  | n/c
      469/128   | Oleg Vasenyoff    | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      480/112   | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k  | n/c
      550/4077  | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE            | ----- | n/c
     2410/201   | Karsten Ebeling   | BinkP UUE      | ???   | n/c
     2411/413   @ Dennis Dittrich   | UUE,BinkP      | 64k   | n/c
     2432/200   | Sven Dueker       | BinkP TX UUE   | ???   | n/c
     2446/301   @ Lothar Behet  | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K   | n/c
     2474/275   | Christian Emig    | UUE            | 64k   | unkn
     2487/3000  | Steffen Gross     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     3830/10    | Matt Bedynek      | FTP, BinkP     | 100Mb | n/c
     5002/5002  | Victor Belyakov   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5014/4     | Alex Bagmanov     | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5020/52    | Peter Didenko     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5020/54    | Serge Wizgounoff  | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5020/69    | B Chernivetsky    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5020/238    | Sergey Gubanov   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5030/115   | Andrey Podkolzin  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5030/1251  | K Stepanekov      | UUE            | ???   | n/c
     5100/8     | Egons Bush        | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5020/1159  | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE          | 33.6  | n/c
     5049/12    | Amir Shabashvili  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5054/3     | Andrew Popov      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5080/80    | Eugene Zorin      | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5083/21    | Alexander Uskov   | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5090/2     | Andrew Titov      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5100/8     | Egons Bush        | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 3
      633/260   @ Malcolm Miles     | FTP,BinkP      | 64K   | n/c
      640/954   | Rick Van Ruth     | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c
      712/311   | Bob James         | TX             | ???   | n/c
      774/605   @ Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 4
      801/161   @ Renato Zambon     | UUE            | 33.6  |n/c
      902/18    | Javier Tejedor    | UUE            | 33,6  | n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 6
       65/3000  | Lawrence Fan      | UUE            | 33600 | free
      653/1009  | Maorong Chen      | UUE            | ???   | free
      654/0     | Bin Li            | UUE,BinkP      | 33600 | free
      654/1501  | Lawrence Fan      | UUE,BinkP      | 28800 | free

     --
     * FTP    = Internet File Transfer Protocol
     * VMoT   = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
     * UUE    = uuencode<->email type transfers
     * BinkP  = front end mailer for TCPIP networks
     * TX     = TransX
     * NFS    = Linux Networking
     * ifcico = ifcico-compatible virtual mailer
     ----------------------------------------------
     Fidonet oriented news servers
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     news.osirusoft.com
     news.tardis.net

     Fidonet oriented chat rooms.

     room #fidonet  5PM (PDT 11AM GMT) Sundays
     irc.osirusoft.com  (Peers wanted)

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                             SPECIAL INTEREST
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                         Nodelist Stats

      Input nodelist  nodelist.011
                size  1179.1kb
                date  2002-01-11

      The nodelist has  10467 nodes in it
        and a total of  13710 non-comment entries
             including      6 zones
                           65 regions
                          484 hosts
                          717 hubs
                          904 private nodes
                          371 nodes down
                          696 nodes on hold.

      Admin overhead is  1272 ( 12.15 %)

      Speed summary:

               >9600 =    963 (  9.20 %)
                9600 =   8927 ( 85.29 %)
                              (HST  =  183 or   2.05 %)
                              (CSP  =    1 or   0.01 %)
                              (PEP  =   14 or   0.16 %)
                              (MAX  =    0 or   0.00 %)
                              (HAY  =    2 or   0.02 %)
                              (V32  = 5027 or  56.31 %)
                              (V32B =  573 or   6.42 %)
                              (V42  = 4830 or  54.11 %)
                              (V42B =  613 or   6.87 %)
                2400 =    111 (  1.06 %)
                1200 =      6 (  0.06 %)
                 300 =    460 (  4.39 %)


     ----------------------------------------------------------
      File Req Flag   Applicable software     Number of systems
     ----------------------------------------------------------
      XA              Frontdoor <1.99b             3922
                      Frontdoor  2.02+
                      Dutchie 2.90c
                      Binkleyterm >2.1
                      D'Bridge <1.3
                      TIMS
                      Xenia
     --------------------------------------
      XB              Binkleyterm 2.0                 9
                      Dutchie 2.90b
     --------------------------------------
      XC              Opus 1.1                       11
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      XP              Seadog                          7
     --------------------------------------
      XR              Opus 1.03                      71
     --------------------------------------
      XW              Fido >12M                     403
                      Tabby
     --------------------------------------
      XX              D'Bridge 1.30                4549
                      Frontdoor 1.99b
                      Intermail 2.01
                      Tmail
     --------------------------------------
      None            QMM                          1495
     --------------------------------------

      CrashMail capable =   3584 ( 34.24 %)
      MailOnly nodes    =   5558 ( 53.10 %)
      Listed-only nodes =    808 (  7.72 %)
      Other             =    517 (  4.94 %)

      [Report produced by NETSTATS - A PD pgm available from 1:106/100]
      [                                 Revised by B Felten, 2:203/208]

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