Date: 24 Oct 2000 06:15:11 -0400 Message-ID: <20001024101511.23733.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #98 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 6f18f888828d298f11bbbceb4f99ea07 Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Tuesday, October 24 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 098 In this issue: AT&T may split into four pieces study of average error rates for censorware Re: More on pay phones (pre-pay and post-pay) Re: Survey: Net Users Don't Care About Opt-In, Opt-Out Re: More on pay phones (pre-pay and post-pay) Re: Survey: Net Users Don't Care About Opt-In, Opt-Out Commentary: DSL companies face consolidation as markets tighten looking for someone in the bronx,ny area to verify if this is a cell # Re: More on pay phones (pre-pay and post-pay) Broadband Could be Hackland 10/23/00 ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES PacBell/SBC DSL Cell Phones Probed For Double Trouble/Driving hazard, cancer link feared tyin4000 PC4 format France blasts Britain over Echelon New Technology Can Pinpoint Cell-Phone Users' Locations Court: Anonymous Internet postings not protected in Miami case High-Tech Groups Oppose Fake-ID Bill What happened to US West Free Email? Re: More on pay phones (pre-pay and post-pay) Re: More on pay phones (pre-pay and post-pay) cmsg cancel no reply ignore ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 23 Oct 2000 13:43:00 -0400 From: The Old Bear Subject: AT&T may split into four pieces As summarized in NewsScan for 10/23/00: AT&T MAY SPLIT INTO FOUR PIECES The AT&T board of directors is considering splitting the company into four separate and independent pieces focused on different market segments: the AT&T wireless unit; the company cable TV operations; consumer long-distance services; and the remaining "core" business comprised of the company's global network and data communications services. Designed to allow the individual units to be better able to pursue business strategies suited for their distinct market needs, the new organization would be the end of chief executive C. Michael Armstrong's hopes that AT&T could offer customers "one-stop shopping" for all communications needs. source: New York Times (23 Oct 2000) http://partners.nytimes.com/2000/10/23/business/23DEAL.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Oct 2000 18:16:20 -0400 From: Bennett Haselton Subject: study of average error rates for censorware [sent to journalists on Peacefire's press contacts list] In August we released a report at: http://www.peacefire.org/censorware/SurfWatch/first-1000-com-domains.html describing a test in which we took the first 1,000 .com domains in an alphabetical listing, ran them through SurfWatch, and examined the sites that SurfWatch blocked. 80% of these blocked sites (42 out of 51) turned out to be errors. For a follow-up study that we just released, we repeated the same experiment with Cyber Patrol, Bess, AOL Parental Controls, and SafeServer. The new report on censorware error rates is at: http://www.peacefire.org/error-rates/ The error rates for SurfWatch and Cyber Patrol were 80%, Bess had an error rate of 27%, and SafeServer was at 34%; AOL Parental Controls had an error rate of 20% but their software also only blocked five sites out of 1,000 (letting through almost all of the smut sites that other programs did block) -- suggesting a tradeoff between efficiency (when a program blocks as much porn as possible) and accuracy (when a program blocks few sites that are not pornographic). This is boring, but it's solid. There is apparently no chance that claims of "100% human review" from SurfWatch, Cyber Patrol, or N2H2 (makers of Bess) are accurate. (Cyber Patrol still claims that "A site is viewed by a human before being added to the CyberNOT list"; the CEO of N2H2 testified before a Congress that "All sites that are blocked are reviewed by N2H2 staff before being added to the block lists." SurfWatch made similar claims before the product was discontinued.) Congress is, of course, preparing to pass a spending bill with an amendment that requires schools and libraries to install blocking software. Even if the bill still passes, we hope this report can be used as evidence to challenge the blocking software amendment in court. -Bennett bennett@peacefire.org http://www.peacefire.org (425) 649 9024 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Oct 2000 18:26:37 -0400 From: Justin Subject: Re: More on pay phones (pre-pay and post-pay) Diamond Dave went on and on about: > >Speaking of post-pay, does anyone remember PRE-pay? These were common >on many #5 crossbar systems and some step by step offices where you >had to insert money to even get a dial tone! Even to call the operator >or 911 you had to insert a dime (later a quarter). Not all #5 crossbar >offices had pre-pay, (as some were more modernized with "dial tone >first") but there were many that did. > >Ah, the good ole days... BEFORE COCOTs! Yes, in my area (suburban Chicago) all the pay phones were pre-pay. No coin, no dial tone. I thought they were all like that in those days. A bit OT, but anyone remember "Enterprise" calls? You'd call the operator and ask for, say, Enterprise-1212 and you'd be connected to (IIRC) Marshall Field's department store. The call was free--sort of like a local 800 service. Justin - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Oct 2000 18:33:55 -0400 From: Linc Madison Subject: Re: Survey: Net Users Don't Care About Opt-In, Opt-Out In article , Monty Solomon wrote: > Survey: Net Users Don't Care About Opt-In, Opt-Out > > Most Internet users don't care whether e-mail arrives on an opt-in or > opt-out basis, according to a new survey. > > Seventy-two percent of the 1,760 participants in the study, dubbed > iCustomer Observer, said they have no preference as to how they > receive e-mails and Internet newsletters, said Chuck Curtis, CEO of > Valentine Radford Advertising, Kansas City, MO, the ad agency that > conducted the survey. > > http://www.dmnews.com/articles/2000-10-16/11052.html In other words, 72% of the participants did not understand the question. So what? - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Oct 2000 19:06:41 -0400 From: John David Galt Subject: Re: More on pay phones (pre-pay and post-pay) Justin wrote: >> Ah, the good ole days... BEFORE COCOTs! > > Yes, in my area (suburban Chicago) all the pay phones were pre-pay. No > coin, no dial tone. I thought they were all like that in those days. Pacific Bell payphones used (and the few genuine ones still use) a weird combination of the pre-pay and post-pay methods. When you pick up the phone, you get a dial tone. If you're making a toll call, you dial the number (either as 7 digits if it's in the same area code, or with 1+ or 0+ as on any other phone), then a voice tells you how much money to put in for the first 3 minutes. But for local calls, you're required to put in your 20 cents (or whatever the rate is these days) BEFORE dialing the number. If you dial first, you don't get a message saying "please deposit 20 cents", you get an SIT tone and an error message, and have to hang up and start over. I have no idea why they don't let you use the toll-call method to dial local calls as well. It would make things much easier, especially since directories no longer even try to list which prefixes are local to which. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Oct 2000 20:21:18 -0400 From: sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) Subject: Re: Survey: Net Users Don't Care About Opt-In, Opt-Out >>From 'Linc Madison': >> Most Internet users don't care whether e-mail arrives on an opt-in or >> opt-out basis, according to a new survey. >> >> Seventy-two percent of the 1,760 participants in the study, dubbed >> iCustomer Observer, said they have no preference as to how they >> receive e-mails and Internet newsletters, said Chuck Curtis, CEO of >> Valentine Radford Advertising, Kansas City, MO, the ad agency that >> conducted the survey. >> >> http://www.dmnews.com/articles/2000-10-16/11052.html uhhhh. I hope no one with any intelligence trusts the DMA. >In other words, 72% of the participants did not understand the question. > >So what? >-- >The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. 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Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Oct 2000 21:40:17 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Commentary: DSL companies face consolidation as markets tighten Commentary: DSL companies face consolidation as markets tighten By Meta Group Special to CNET News.com October 23, 2000, 2:50 p.m. PT Recent earnings disappointments from Covad Communications and Copper Mountain Networks and the consequent market setbacks experienced by these firms and related digital subscriber line (DSL) companies demonstrate that the communications sector is being affected by some of the same market dynamics that are influencing dot-com firms. http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1004-201-3274912-0.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Oct 2000 21:48:24 -0400 From: Subject: looking for someone in the bronx,ny area to verify if this is a cell # 347-432-3451 is the number. from what i've found out it's probably a sprint pcs phone. the background is that this number keeps calling a friend on mine business and home numbers all the time of the day & night. it is probably a former employess of her's. i just want to be sure before i call verizonnuisance line for her (she doesn't speak english very well). thanks - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Oct 2000 22:08:29 -0400 From: Joel B Levin Subject: Re: More on pay phones (pre-pay and post-pay) In <1eb9vskb3vtsodmfvq53994i4iv0e42f24@4ax.com>, Justin wrote: }A bit OT, but anyone remember "Enterprise" calls? You'd call the }operator and ask for, say, Enterprise-1212 and you'd be connected to }(IIRC) Marshall Field's department store. Yes -- in Mountain States Telephone territory in Utah these were Zenith numbers. } The call was free--sort of }like a local 800 service. Actually, it preceded 800 service; when that became popular Enterprise and Zenith numbers mostly disappeared. /JBL - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Oct 2000 23:00:45 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Broadband Could be Hackland Broadband Could be Hackland by Farhad Manjoo 2:00 a.m. Oct. 23, 2000 PDT Recently, Steve Gibson, an independent software developer in Southern California, received a call from the FBI. "Apparently, some hacker was getting into people's computers and posting notes on their Windows desktops," Gibson said. "The notes were telling people that their computer was insecure, and that they should go to GRC.com. So the FBI said, 'Steve, did you do this?'" It seemed like a reasonable question. Gibson's GRC.com offers a popular service called "Shields Up!," which tests your computer's vulnerability to attack. Companies have been known to employ guerrilla tactics to get attention. But Gibson didn't do it. http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,39235,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:03:56 -0400 From: "Judith Oppenheimer" Subject: 10/23/00 ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ************************************************************************ ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ************************************************************************* from ICB Toll Free News - Daily News and Intelligence covering the Political, Legal and Marketing Arenas of 800 and Dot Com. ************************************************************************* CONTENTS - - WHICH TLD'S WILL IT BE? - - LET THE GAMES BEGIN - - CUSTOMERS SWITCHING FROM HOME PHONES TO WIRELESS - - IF YOU SEE IT AND YOU LIKE IT - BOOK IT - - ICANN EXTENDS TLD PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD ************************************************************************ REGISTRATION: Access to all articles, Free and Premium, requires registration. 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An OggNet Server. http://www.delphi.com/gbbs The only good spammer is a dead one, have you hunted one down today? (c) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 2000 00:01:49 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Cell Phones Probed For Double Trouble/Driving hazard, cancer link feared Cell Phones Probed For Double Trouble Driving hazard, cancer link feared With more than 100 million cell phones in everyday use, questions are being raised about whether these handy devices might boost the risk of brain cancer or increase the chances of having an automobile accident. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2000/10/23/BU67846.DTL - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 2000 00:08:11 -0400 From: Marge Decuire Subject: tyin4000 PC4 format There is a conversion utility for that format at: http://www.israel.net/innovative/tyinutil.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 2000 00:08:35 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: France blasts Britain over Echelon * France blasts Britain over Echelon (ZDNet UK) A French parliamentary enquiry has harshly criticised Britain for its involvement in the Echelon satellite surveillance system, which it denounces as a threat to individual liberty and commercial privacy. Echelon is the codename for a surveillance network built by the UK and U.S. at the onset of the Cold War in order to eavesdrop on international satellite communications. It is one part of a global surveillance effort that counts on cooperation from Canada, Australia and New Zealand. http://www.zdnet.com/filters/printerfriendly/0,6061,2640682-2,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 2000 00:13:57 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: New Technology Can Pinpoint Cell-Phone Users' Locations New Technology Can Pinpoint Cell-Phone Users' Locations Police see benefit in emergencies -- watchdogs fear erosion of privacy A woman called 911 from her cellular phone, begging for help. She was locked in the trunk of her boyfriend's car. ``Where are you at?'' the 911 dispatcher asked. The woman didn't know, and within seconds, the call was disconnected. This happened in Alameda County last month, but the caller was never located. Using technology that wireless companies are testing now, the California Highway Patrol could have traced that cell-phone call and potentially rescued the woman from harm. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2000/10/23/BU77211.DTL&type=tech_article - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 2000 00:17:23 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Court: Anonymous Internet postings not protected in Miami case Court: Anonymous Internet postings not protected in Miami case By CATHERINE WILSON AP Business Writer MIAMI (AP) _ In a ruling that challenges online anonymity, a Florida appeals court declared Monday that Internet service providers must divulge the identities of people who post defamatory messages on the Internet. http://news.findlaw.com/ap_stories/l/0000/10-16-2000/20001016202721860.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 2000 00:19:06 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: High-Tech Groups Oppose Fake-ID Bill High-Tech Groups Oppose Fake-ID Bill By David McGuire, Newsbytes WASHINGTON, D.C., U.S.A., 18 Oct 2000, 5:13 PM CST A cadre of high-tech companies and trade groups is opposing a Senate bill aimed at stemming the availability of fake IDs on the Internet, contending that the bill would expose Internet service providers to unfair liability. http://www.newsbytes.com/pubNews/00/156885.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 2000 01:07:49 -0400 From: "Tad Cook" Subject: What happened to US West Free Email? Before (and after) the Qwest takeover, US West had a free web-based email service (similar to Hotmail) at http://www.uswestmail.net/index.html . Now suddenly I cannot find it, and can't find it on the Qwest website. Anyone know what happened, or what the new URL is? Tad Cook tad@aa.net - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 2000 02:26:11 -0400 From: John David Galt Subject: Re: More on pay phones (pre-pay and post-pay) Joel B Levin wrote: > > In <1eb9vskb3vtsodmfvq53994i4iv0e42f24@4ax.com>, > Justin wrote: > }A bit OT, but anyone remember "Enterprise" calls? You'd call the > }operator and ask for, say, Enterprise-1212 and you'd be connected to > }(IIRC) Marshall Field's department store. > > Yes -- in Mountain States Telephone territory in Utah these were Zenith > numbers. > > } The call was free--sort of > }like a local 800 service. > > Actually, it preceded 800 service; when that became popular Enterprise and > Zenith numbers mostly disappeared. They coexisted for at least two decades. For most of that time, the advantage of Enterprise/Zenith numbers was that they only worked from exchanges specified by the Enterprise/Zenith subscriber; 800 numbers had to cover statewide or multi-state areas. When it became possible to order 800 numbers that only work from specified exchanges, Enterprise and Zenith pretty much disappeared. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 2000 04:23:40 -0400 From: djb0x77372343@scream.org (Dan Birchall) Subject: Re: More on pay phones (pre-pay and post-pay) John David Galt wrote: > Pacific Bell payphones used (and the few genuine ones still use) a weird > combination of the pre-pay and post-pay methods. > > When you pick up the phone, you get a dial tone. If you're making a toll > call, you dial the number (either as 7 digits if it's in the same area > code, or with 1+ or 0+ as on any other phone), then a voice tells you how > much money to put in for the first 3 minutes. > > But for local calls, you're required to put in your 20 cents (or whatever > the rate is these days) BEFORE dialing the number. I seem to recall this being normative for the real Bell Atlantic pay phones back in New Jersey when I was a kid, as well. Enough so that to this day, this is the behavior I *expect* from pay phones. In the exceedingly rare cases that I even use them, that is. (3.4-ounce things that provide inbound and outbound calls, SMS messages and e-mail make pay phones less of a necessity.) - -Dan - -- Dan Birchall - Palolo Valley, Honolulu HI - http://dan.scream.org Post your reviews; get paid: http://epinions.scream.org/join.html Free web-based e-mail: http://www.themail.com/ref.htm?ref=1163079 My address expires - take out the hex stamp if your reply bounces - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 2000 09:02:04 GMT From: spambot@stopspam.org Subject: cmsg cancel no reply ignore Ignore Excessive Cross Posted/Excessive Multi-Posted article canceled by Ken Lucke X-Cancel-ID: 7^-[&%5H4=IH"HY:%BF3[8\3JTB%F($*F#J^BD99PQV_0]MXM