Date: 18 Oct 2000 06:15:13 -0400 Message-ID: <20001018101513.29616.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #92 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: c9598a2703d5332afbbf71ca33870dd7 Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Wednesday, October 18 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 092 In this issue: Re: Al Gore And The Internet Re: Al Gore And The Internet (Hoax?) News: The changing face of telecom competition Re: Seeking Traffic Formula misdirected fax (was Re: Is it Legal When They Say This?) Net filtering bill nears vote Judge allows case against spam blacklist to proceed 10/17/00 ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES Re: Telephone Glitch on West Wing ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 17 Oct 2000 11:43:07 -0400 From: gerg@panix.com (Greg Andrews) Subject: Re: Al Gore And The Internet "John Repici" writes: > >P.S.: >If you're lurking, and are as weary of this stuff as me, my personal >suggestion is you > "...listen to some more of it - only from *me* this time." (Sigh) -Greg - -- ::::::::::::::::::: Greg Andrews gerg@panix.com ::::::::::::::::::: Never eat more than you can lift. -- Miss Piggy ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Oct 2000 11:47:03 -0400 From: Tony Vullo Subject: Re: Al Gore And The Internet (Hoax?) Joel, I still believe that this *MUST* be a hoax. Please follow my reasoning. First, here is the language from the Cerf reference, verbatim (http://www.wcom.com/about_the_company/cerfs_up/internet_history/q_and_a.phtml): "What was Vice President Al Gore's involvement in the development of the Internet? "The Vice President was among the first of the members of Congress to recognize the importance of the Internet and his interest as far back as 1986 (to my certain knowledge) led him to sponsor legislation and to speak favorably about optical networks, high performance computing, and led to programs such as the National Research and Education Network program, the Next Generation Internet program and so on. "The Vice President has graciously and repeatedly explained that he really doesn't believe he "created the Internet" but he feels a justifiable pride in his support for the research programs that continue to drive Internet's growth and for legislative and administration initiatives to embrace and encourage the development of ecommerce on a global basis. His remark was almost certainly a slip of the tongue, because he'd be quite correct to say "I helped create the Internet" - because of his work to provide an environment of support for research, technology transfer and ecommerce initiatives so fundamental to the Internet today. "I think the Vice President is very deserving of credit for his active support for the Internet and the businesses that depend upon it daily." I believe that the text in the above-quoted reference communicates an historical fact, whereas the original e-mail from "Outsider " is an unsubstantiated and likely fallacious work. The justifications for my opinion are the anonymous source of the e-mail, and the obviously left-leaning, partisan-referenced URLs that followed it. If Messrs. Kahn and Cerf are interested in clarifying this, then a valid e-mail from them to this forum would suffice. Until then, I'll keep my opinion. Regards, Tony - -----Start, Original Message----- Date: 16 Oct 2000 18:13:19 -0400 From: Joel B Levin Subject: Re: Al Gore And The Internet (Hoax?) In <000001c037a7$10eff000$327b20a6@mcit.com>, Tony Vullo wrote: }This *MUST* be a hoax. I do not believe that Messrs. Kahn and Cerf would }communicate with this forum via the unlikely e-mail address of }"nonvalid_email@yahoo.com". The posted article does not claim that the content was written by the poster, but rather that the (anonymous) poster was posting something that had been written by Drs. Kahn and Cerf. Mr. Dubuque has elsewhere posted evidence* at least that Vint would support the factual content of that article, whether he cowrote it or not. /JBL * a reference to http://www.wcom.com/about_the_company/cerfs_up/internet_history/q_and_a.phtml perhaps 2/3 down the page. - - -- - -----End, Original Message----- ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Oct 2000 13:42:04 -0400 From: Ralph Telecom Subject: News: The changing face of telecom competition The changing face of telecom competition CIMI's Tom Nolle peers into the future of carriers, and it's looking a bit messy. What seems certain is the rise of a few "super-regional Bell operating companies." What kind of network will they create? Nolle examines this question in this week's Reality Check. http://www.nwfusion.com/columnists/2000/1016nolle.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Oct 2000 13:49:47 -0400 From: "John Repici" Subject: Re: Seeking Traffic Formula Hi, I know the link base at ReaderBoards.com has a link to a free Erlang-C online calculator. If you still need this (i realize I'm replying to a question from a year ago), let me know and I'll dig it up. -John - -- ReaderBoards.com Building a Community of call center industry people. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Oct 2000 13:49:48 -0400 From: Carl Moore Subject: misdirected fax (was Re: Is it Legal When They Say This?) This is responding to an almost year-old message about someone printing out a fax after starting to receive nuisance fax calls. I think it's quite understandable to try to find out what is causing it to reach you in error. You do get into privacy concerns, and out of courtesy you should try to forget what you have seen. However, my experience with receiving a few wrong-number calls over the years has not prevented me from having some anecdotes available -- like some wrong-number calls in- tended for a gynecology clinic! (The calls for the gynecology clinic were for the same 4-digit extension I had answered, EXCEPT that 2 digits were transposed.) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Oct 2000 18:28:38 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Net filtering bill nears vote Net filtering bill nears vote But critics call it a 'troubling precedent' Oct. 16 - What does the ACLU have in common with the Texas Chapter of the Christian Coalition? Generally, these are not groups you see shaking hands in agreement. But what's got them united - and riled up - - is the Children's Internet Protection Act, a bill floating around the nation's capital, put forth by four Republican lawmakers, that could pass this week. http://www.msnbc.com/news/477343.asp - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Oct 2000 18:39:43 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Judge allows case against spam blacklist to proceed Posted at 9:31 p.m. PDT Thursday, October 12, 2000 Judge allows case against spam blacklist to proceed BY TRACY SEIPEL Mercury News A Santa Clara County Superior Court Judge ruled Thursday that a New Hampshire company could pursue its claims against a local anti-spam organization, saying the company's allegation that it was damaged by being listed as a spammer has some merit. The case, which has raised a host of free speech and e-commerce-related legal issues, involves the conduct of Mail Abuse Prevention System, a widely used Redwood City company set up to help companies screen junk e-mail. http://www.mercurycenter.com/svtech/news/front/docs/maps101300.htm - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. 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As we all know Verizon did > > not exist even 1 year ago, much less 3. > > That's OK...Martin Sheen isn't really the president either. For that matter, note that in the show's world, this is not a presidential election year. If they're not following real-world chronology for *that*, I hardly think they need to do so for telephone company names. - -- Mark Brader "You have seen this incident, based on Toronto sworn testimony. Can you prove that it msb@vex.net didn't happen?" -- Plan 9 from Outer Space My text in this article is in the public domain. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #92 *******************************