Date: 1 Oct 2000 06:15:12 -0400 Message-ID: <20001001101512.24225.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #72 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 34d12d0ef4afa45befee94e9b47717a5 Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Sunday, October 1 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 072 In this issue: Re: Call around the world for cheap using arbitrage Re: E-Mail Marketing: Over 1 Billion Served Dialing Issues with Nortel DMS100 BellSouth + SBC = PEOPLECLIP ? Re: BellSouth + SBC = PEOPLECLIP ? Re: Verizon Backs No-Call Drive Laws Can Lucent 8510 ISDN sets be upgraded to NI-1 ? Re: Carnivore Review Team Exposed! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 30 Sep 2000 08:33:29 -0400 From: Peter Morgan <$nospam$@webnet.clara.net> Subject: Re: Call around the world for cheap using arbitrage In comp.dcom.telecom ... on 30 Sep 2000 01:48:05 -0400 John R Levine wrote: >dial any of these countries: > Australia, Austria, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, .... There are some restrictions. Calls to several cellular services are now being charged at higher rates, so such call attempts are detected and are barred on these services, unfortunately (my nephew is working in Belgium, and I only have a mobile number for him - but as an aside there is a free service on the web allowing SMS [text messages] to be sent to cellular phones: http://sms.totalise.net/ - so have tried that to him as a cheap one-way message delivery service). Just Dial was mentioned in a posting I made on 11-Sep-2000... www.just-dial.com mentions the restrictions. >Well, guess, what, it works from overseas as well, so you can call any of Sounds like an oversight - I am sure they hadn't expected such calls ! >call to the UK. (You can also call the US, which I suppose might be useful >if you want to make it hard to tell what number you're calling from.) crafty !! :-) There might be quite a "lag" and the delay may make it a little awkward to use... I assume you've found it usable so trust these delays are not too annoying. >To use it, call Just Dial at 011 44 870 794 0000#. Then when they >answer, dial 00, the country code and the city code, e.g. to call a >number in Paris it'd be 00 33 1 xxxx xxxx. There's a separate service operating from a similar number - just substitute 1234 instead of 0000 in the number shown (011 44 ...) [I don't know how much they receive but may as well make some income for both of them and spread the load :-] >The only peculiarity is that it's only available during the week, >not on weekends. This "peculiarity" is because at the weekends, income from a call to 0870 numbers in the UK is lower than during weekdays. Presumably the cost of the international calls is in excess of the proportion passed on to the companies running these services... BT's standard charges for 0870 calls are : 7.9p per minute for peak (M-F 08:00-18:00), 3.95p/min off-peak and 2p/min weekend (48hrs of Saturday and Sunday). Other companies offer as much as 50% off BT's standard prices, though such savings might not apply at all times, and for some calls abroad, charges may be lower without using these 0870 services. Peter Morgan. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Sep 2000 11:34:11 -0400 From: sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) Subject: Re: E-Mail Marketing: Over 1 Billion Served >>From 'H. Peter Anvin': >Followup to: >By author: Monty Solomon >In newsgroup: comp.dcom.telecom >> >> E-Mail Marketing: Over 1 Billion Served >> By Ben Hammer >> 24/7 Media says the dot-com squeeze has caused a huge surge in the >> number of messages it sends out. >> http://www.thestandard.com/article/display/0,1151,18939,00.html >> > >They claim "opt-in", They aren't. There are plenty of complaints about them over in news.admin.net-abuse.email. - -- North Shore Technologies, Cleveland, OH http://NorthShoreTechnologies.net Steve Sobol, BOFH - President, Chief Website Architect and Janitor Linux Instructor, PC/LAN Program, Natl. Institute of Technology, Akron, OH sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net - 888.480.4NET - 216.619.2NET - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Sep 2000 12:08:36 -0400 From: nick3104@my-deja.com Subject: Dialing Issues with Nortel DMS100 Hello everyone, I thought perhaps someone here could help me. I'm using a voice/fax board to place and receive calls. If you want to think of it this way, this board is acting like a PBX at the customer's site. It's using T1 robbed-bit service, AMI/D4, with E&M signaling. No errors on the line at all--no slips, etc. The T1 line is coming straight in from the local telco service provider, from a DMS100 at their CO. The issue I'm having is this....Most calls go through fine. I can dial local, long-distance, etc, and get right through and transmit what I need to. However, when dialing local calls which don't leave the switch I'm connected to, I can't make a decent connection with the other side. The other side sees me, but they don't go off-hook. The curious thing is, a rep from the service provider was out on-site. He took the T1 line out of this voice/fax board, plugged it into his T- Berd tester, dialed the local number we'd been having trouble with and got right through. (Using DTMF digits, as is the board.) He plugged the line back into the voice/fax board, I dialed the same local number, and got a repeat of the problem...no connection. Even more curious, we had his switch guy at the CO monitor the DMS100 as we placed calls to this number, and we did not tell this guy which device was actually doing the dialing on the T1 line. We then tried with the T-Berd, and then with the board. The switch guy couldn't tell the difference--from both devices, he saw all the digits, and they were all the right digits. So, we know that the board is sending the right digits to the DMS100, which is recognizing them. It's just that when the connection tries to be made to the other side, when dialing with the T-Berd it's fine, but when dialing with the voice/fax board the connection just doesn't go high. The telco rep explained that when you're doing calls that need to leave your local switch and go to another switch, whether that other switch is cross-town or cross-country, it's all SS7 signaling, which tears down and rebuilds the signal. However, on these calls where the call doesn't leave the local switch, it just goes straight through. Does anyone have any ideas about what this DMS100 may not like about the signal the voice/fax board is putting out? We know it likes the digits it's dialing....can anyone think of anything else? Please post here, or email me directly, whichever. Thanks! Nick Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Sep 2000 12:48:58 -0400 From: "Graham" Subject: BellSouth + SBC = PEOPLECLIP ? >>From information gathered and explained below, here are some possible new names for the new company being formed by the wireless segments of BellSouth and SBC: PEOPLECLIP DIRECTPATH UPRING INDIGO WIRELESS CINGULAR COMOTION DIRECT PATH Yes, believe it or not, "PEOPLECLIP" is at the top of the list. The facts that I have gathered favor that a bit over the others. Based on publically available information , consider the following: - In September, 2000, applications for Trademarks were submitted with the US Patent and Trademark Office by an attorney whose office is at an address that matches BellSouth's Cellular offices. The names of the Trademark applications follow: PEOPLECLIP, PEOPLECLIP WIRELESS, PEOPLECLIP COMMUNICATIONS, COMOTION, DIRECT PATH, CINGULAR, CINGULAR WIRELESS, CINGULAR COMMUNICATIONS, INDIGO, INDIGO WIRELESS, INDIGO COMMUNICATIONS, UPRING, UPRING WIRELESS, UPRING COMMUNICATIONS - On August 18, 2000, Patricia Raison (a paralegal, per her AOL profile, and at a physical address that matches BellSouth's Intellectual Property Office) registered the following internet domain names: peopleclip.com peopleclip.org peopleclip.net - The internet domain servers associated with the 3 domain names above are already within BellSouth's BLS.COM domain - Most of the other combinations of the same names trademarked above with and without words like "wireless" and "communications" have recently been registered on the net at register.com by Jeff Walker of VSA Partners. Moreoever, name-extensions of the "peopleclip.com" names registered by Raison such as "peopleclipwireless.com" were registered by Walker. VSA Partners specializes in brand identity and consultancy per their website. I am collecting clues to discovering the new name for BellSouth + SBC based on public information. I think I am on the right track with the trademarked names. By melding that info with the internet domain registrations, it could be hypothesized that all of the trademark applications were proposed by the VSA consultant, and somehow the name "PEOPLECLIP" got picked. OF course, there could be many other purposes for any of the names. If anyone interested finds any other pieces to this puzzle, please share. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Sep 2000 21:32:53 -0400 From: heywood@gloucester.com (Heywood Jaiblomi) Subject: Re: BellSouth + SBC = PEOPLECLIP ? graham99@bellsouth.net (Graham) wrote >Yes, believe it or not, "PEOPLECLIP" is at the top of the list. There is a certain irony here, in that it certainly describes a business that clips people. - -- Life at work is like a tree full of monkeys, all on different limbs at different levels. Some monkeys are climbing up, some down. The monkeys on top look down and see a tree full of smiling faces. The monkeys on the bottom look up and see nothing but assholes. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Sep 2000 22:40:06 -0400 From: Gary Novosielski Subject: Re: Verizon Backs No-Call Drive Laws Adam H. Kerman" wrote: >Hands on the wheel, sure, but what does concentration on the road have to do >with whether or not the car phone is hands free? You are still reacting to >something that is being said and thinking about what to say in reply. > >In other words, you are thinking about something other than your driving, and >that makes you a danger to those you share the right-of-way with. I guess you're in favor of a law against car pooling then? Or would the cops only pull you over if they could actually *see* you talking with someone else in the car? Would singing along with the radio be outlawed? And why have radios in the first place? Or those CD players where you have to fumble with the discs? Arguably more dangerous than cell-phones. The point is, we already have laws about careless driving but they are simply not enforced. What makes anyone believe a no-phone law would be? - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Sep 2000 23:42:42 -0400 From: "Scott Nelson" Subject: Can Lucent 8510 ISDN sets be upgraded to NI-1 ? I moved from one office to another office and the 8510 ISDN sets I have work great on a 5ESS Custom system but now I am on a NI-1 system ( a DMS 100 that uses NI-1 ). Can these be upgraded/change to do NI-1 signaling or am I looking for a used phone place to trade these in for NI-1 sets? If so, anyone know of a used phone place that would upgrade/exchange (4) sets for NI-1 units? Thanks in advance. Scott - ---------------------------------------------------------- Scott Nelson - Network Engineer Wash DC +1202-270-8968 & +1202-352-6646 Los Angeles +1310-367-6646 mailto:scottnelson@spamcop.net - ---------------------------------------------------------- "The better the customer service, the sooner you get to speak with someone who can't help you." - ---------------------------------------------- - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Oct 2000 00:17:07 -0400 From: John McHarry Subject: Re: Carnivore Review Team Exposed! On 29 Sep 2000 03:46:24 -0400, "Michael D. Sullivan" wrote: .... >This FBI ineptness with regard to privacy and security isn't surprising. >When the FBI "invited" telecom carriers to reveal highly sensitive >information regarding their switches, etc., in connection with CALEA >compliance earlier this year, the Feds asked that the information be emailed >to a free account at yahoo.com. Believe it or not, it's true. Well, _somebody_ may have "invited" them. I doubt the FBI uses Yahoo accounts for something like that. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #72 *******************************