Date: 29 Sep 2000 06:15:11 -0400 Message-ID: <20000929101511.24534.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #70 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: c2a4428b3a6df2c0ed0fdcd4b57c4ae2 Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Friday, September 29 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 070 In this issue: Re: Carnivore Review Team Exposed! Re: DSC/Alcatel vs. Evan Brown, the saga continues Re: DSC/Alcatel vs. Evan Brown, the saga continues Re: Verizon Backs No-Call Drive Laws "Guard Band" Auction Re: Verizon Backs No-Call Drive Laws 9/28/00 ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES Re: DSC/Alcatel vs. Evan Brown, the saga continues E-Mail Marketing: Over 1 Billion Served Re: Carnivore Review Team Exposed! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 28 Sep 2000 09:13:32 -0400 From: Alan Boritz Subject: Re: Carnivore Review Team Exposed! Monty Solomon wrote: >Carnivore Review Team Exposed! >by Declan McCullagh > >12:30 p.m. Sep. 27, 2000 PDT > >Call it the Curse of Carnivore. > >It was bad enough when word leaked out this summer that the FBI's >electronic eavesdropping system went by the unfortunate, if eerily >accurate, name of Carnivore. > >The Feds took another blow when researchers at MIT and other >prestigious institutions refused to undertake a review, likening the >probe to a public relations whitewash. > >Now it turns out that an embarrassing oversight by the Justice >Department has revealed confidential information about the team of >researchers hired to conduct the review. >... This is incredible. I downloaded the document from the DOJ web site and retrieved the redacted information, too. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Sep 2000 12:06:02 -0400 From: "Peter F. Dubuque" Subject: Re: DSC/Alcatel vs. Evan Brown, the saga continues In accordance with the prophecy, John De Hoog wrote: > Evan Brown wrote... >>DSC/Alcatel vs. Evan Brown, the saga continues >> >>I have disclosed my "idea" to the court so now DSC has my "idea." > I don't want to get into which way is best (and obviously things are > changing in today's Japan); but it strikes me that if someone wants to > develop ideas on their own and sell them to the highest bidder, they > should start their own company (venture business), not be sitting at the > desk of a big firm like DSC/Alcatel that might reasonably be expected to > have an interest in such technology. As you've discovered, it's pretty > hard to have it both ways. Quitting one's job and starting a company to develop an idea is a fine thing. But by your logic, the person should quit their job before having the idea. How's that supposed to work in the real world where people need to have a source of income for things like food, housing, etc.? - -- Peter F. Dubuque - peterd@shore.net - Enemy of Reason(TM) O- - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Sep 2000 12:42:14 -0400 From: pw@panix.com (Paul Wallich) Subject: Re: DSC/Alcatel vs. Evan Brown, the saga continues In article , "Peter F. Dubuque" wrote: >In accordance with the prophecy, John De Hoog wrote: >> Evan Brown wrote... > >>>DSC/Alcatel vs. Evan Brown, the saga continues >>> >>>I have disclosed my "idea" to the court so now DSC has my "idea." > >> I don't want to get into which way is best (and obviously things are >> changing in today's Japan); but it strikes me that if someone wants to >> develop ideas on their own and sell them to the highest bidder, they >> should start their own company (venture business), not be sitting at the >> desk of a big firm like DSC/Alcatel that might reasonably be expected to >> have an interest in such technology. As you've discovered, it's pretty >> hard to have it both ways. > >Quitting one's job and starting a company to develop an idea is a fine >thing. But by your logic, the person should quit their job before having >the idea. How's that supposed to work in the real world where people need >to have a source of income for things like food, housing, etc.? In this instance , assuming Brown's version is accurate, the question becomes even tougher -- say you have an idea, try to develop it and fail, go to work in an unrelated (!) job to support yourself, and then one day suddenly have the inspiration that makes the job workable. For the company to claim ownership of the original idea is a little like the "all rights" contracts the some newspapers and other publishers are trying to impose on freelance writers, in which the writer ostensibly gives up ownership not only of their current assignment but of all previous writing that they've ever done. paul - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Sep 2000 12:53:01 -0400 From: Matt Simpson Subject: Re: Verizon Backs No-Call Drive Laws In article , The Hyphenator! wrote: > Good distraction! Hands-free cellular usage is more dangerous! People tend > to gesture. Yeah .. and by backing a law which bans only hand-held usage, the cellphone companies can call themselves safety-conscious, while raking in the $$ from all the hands-free kits they'll sell if the law is passed. - -- Matt Simpson -- Obsolete MVS Guy University Of Kentucky, Lexington, KY - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Sep 2000 14:20:31 -0400 From: John Schwartz Subject: "Guard Band" Auction The FCC recently concluded its 700 MHz "guard band" auction. The most recent issue of _Wireless Week_ contains a story on the auction results: http://www.wirelessweek.com/News/Hot/hotthree.shtml This auction appears to have involved some novel concepts, and I'm interested in learning more. Do any subscribers to the list have sources to suggest? J. ___________________________________________________________________________ John B. Schwartz P.O. Box 6060 Telephone 303-442-2707 Boulder, CO 80306 FAX 303-442-6472 schwartz@usa.net ___________________________________________________________________________ - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Sep 2000 18:22:51 -0400 From: sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) Subject: Re: Verizon Backs No-Call Drive Laws >>From 'Matt Simpson': >Yeah .. and by backing a law which bans only hand-held usage, the >cellphone companies can call themselves safety-conscious, while raking >in the $$ from all the hands-free kits they'll sell if the law is >passed. I can't speak for anyone else, but it's certainly easier for ME to keep my concentration on the road and both hands on the wheel if using a handsfree kit, and I have never bought one from a cellular carrier. - -- North Shore Technologies, Cleveland, OH http://NorthShoreTechnologies.net Steve Sobol, BOFH - President, Chief Website Architect and Janitor Linux Instructor, PC/LAN Program, Natl. Institute of Technology, Akron, OH sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net - 888.480.4NET - 216.619.2NET - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. 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Dubuque wrote... >>...it strikes me that if someone wants to >> develop ideas on their own and sell them to the highest bidder, they >> should start their own company (venture business), not be sitting at the >> desk of a big firm like DSC/Alcatel that might reasonably be expected to >> have an interest in such technology. As you've discovered, it's pretty >> hard to have it both ways. > >Quitting one's job and starting a company to develop an idea is a fine >thing. But by your logic, the person should quit their job before having >the idea. How's that supposed to work in the real world where people need >to have a source of income for things like food, housing, etc.? That's what I meant about "having it both ways". What you see as perfectly logical is that a person should be able to sell himself to a company, depend on that company for his livelihood, milking it for all he can (expensive cars and gun collections!), and yet not owe that company any more than time served. This seems to be the American way. From here it looks just a little strange, but perhaps we can chalk that up to culture differences. In this case, where Alcatel seems to be laying claim to an idea that Mr. Brown had in his head prior to being hired (by DSC), a key issue of course is whether one justification for Mr. Brown's high salary was his possession of a brain likely to hatch ideas that might be useful to DSC. It's sort of like buying oil rights to a patch of land without knowing for sure of its yield. If so, and if he chose instead to keep his best ideas for himself, then Alcatel might well feel he had not lived up to his part of the bargain. But then, we don't know for sure what that bargain was in the first place. It certainly is an issue that comes up constantly in American technical companies, and I don't pretend it is an easy one. I just think we ought to look carefully at both sides. - -- John De Hoog, Tokyo http://dehoog.org - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Sep 2000 02:14:55 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: E-Mail Marketing: Over 1 Billion Served E-Mail Marketing: Over 1 Billion Served By Ben Hammer 24/7 Media says the dot-com squeeze has caused a huge surge in the number of messages it sends out. http://www.thestandard.com/article/display/0,1151,18939,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Sep 2000 03:46:24 -0400 From: "Michael D. Sullivan" Subject: Re: Carnivore Review Team Exposed! "Monty Solomon" wrote in message news:v0422080bb5f855e1e373@[32.226.167.9]... > > Carnivore Review Team Exposed! > by Declan McCullagh > ... > Now it turns out that an embarrassing oversight by the Justice > Department has revealed confidential information about the team of > researchers hired to conduct the review. > > http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,39102,00.html The article reveals that a PDF file released by the FBI about the team had information blacked out in a way that could be evaded using standard Adobe Acrobat software, thereby making public what the FBI sought to keep private. This FBI ineptness with regard to privacy and security isn't surprising. When the FBI "invited" telecom carriers to reveal highly sensitive information regarding their switches, etc., in connection with CALEA compliance earlier this year, the Feds asked that the information be emailed to a free account at yahoo.com. Believe it or not, it's true. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #70 *******************************