Date: 24 Sep 2000 06:15:10 -0400 Message-ID: <20000924101510.13356.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #64 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: ae8e97fa3d6eaf9b08d94483a1384808 Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Sunday, September 24 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 064 In this issue: Re: CLEC Puts ISP Customers Out Of Business In Northern NJ CTI Software Developer Needed cmsg cancel <18020011.0850@free.fr> Subject: Re: a news report warning of pager scam Re: a news report warning of pager scam Re: Message format (was: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner...) Re: a news report warning of pager scam Internet call-waiting Re: Internet call-waiting ? about bigzoo ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 23 Sep 2000 11:06:33 -0400 From: Alan Boritz Subject: Re: CLEC Puts ISP Customers Out Of Business In Northern NJ Roy Smith wrote: >"Alan Boritz" wrote: >> These particular exchanges go through Rochelle Park, where a flood took >> out all interoffice trunking and 911 for several days. > >It's been almost 20 years since I lived in the area, but my recollection >is that floods taking out Rochelle Park are a moderately frequent >occurance, due to the fact that it's built in the flood plain. >Definately NOT the site I would have picked for a major piece of >infrastructure. Well, New Jersey Bell didn't think so, and neither did the engineer at ATTWS who put the switch on the first floor of a building that flood waters had reached at least once before the last incident. Bell Atlantic eventually blamed AT&T for leaving a bathroom door open. NY Telephone (now Bell Atlantic) had an equally stupid excuse for the reason why the Bridge St. CO in Brooklyn burned up. They sure aren't getting better in the excuse department, just who they can blame. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Sep 2000 11:50:48 -0400 From: "Keith Harper" Subject: CTI Software Developer Needed Computer Telephony Software Engineer For full details of this new position, visit - http://www.telephonyindex.co.uk/joboffer.htm Quick Summary: * Experience as a developer using Dialogic or Natural Micro Systems hardware * Programming experience with C/C++ * Familiarity with PC based telephony hardware * High base plus moving allowance, bonus, stock options, paid vacation * Excellent benefits, fun working environment and unparalled incentives The company offering this position is based in Florida, USA. Regards, ctijobs@telephonyindex.co.uk - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 12:06:51 EDT From: awild@free.fr Subject: cmsg cancel <18020011.0850@free.fr> Spam that leaked through robot moderator ------------------------------ Date: 23 Sep 2000 12:10:40 -0400 From: "Bob Goudreau" Subject: Subject: Re: a news report warning of pager scam black@csulb.edu (Matthew Black) wrote: > > An important aspect of country codes is that they are prefix unique. > No country code is every the same as the beggining of another country > code. Since "1" is assigned to North America (Canada + US, etc), > no other code can begin with 1. Likewise, 40 is the code for UK. > No other country code begins with 40. While your general point is true, I do feel obligated to point out that the UK has +44, not +40 (which belongs to Romania). Bob Goudreau Cary, NC - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Sep 2000 12:14:04 -0400 From: msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) Subject: Re: a news report warning of pager scam Matthew Black: >> An important aspect of country codes is that they are prefix unique. >> No country code is every the same as the beggining of another country >> code. Since "1" is assigned to North America (Canada + US, etc), >> no other code can begin with 1. Likewise, 40 is the code for UK. >> No other country code begins with 40... Joseph Singer writes: > This is true. Except for the part about 40 being the code for the UK; it's Romania. The UK is 44. - -- Mark Brader, Toronto "But I want credit for all the words msb@vex.net I spelled *right*!" -- BEETLE BAILEY - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Sep 2000 12:14:51 -0400 From: craigm@earthling.net (Craig Macbride) Subject: Re: Message format (was: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner...) "Ed Ellers" writes: >Exactly. You were condemning the people who post in HTML. Sounds fair. People who post in HTML are either too stupid to realise what they are doing, or they are so inconsiderate that they expect everyone else to put up with garbled posts 10 times the size they should be. Either way, such people are deserving of condemnation. - -- Craig Macbride - -----------------------http://www.nyx.net/~cmacbrid------------------------ "It's a sense of humour like mine, Carla, that makes me proud to be ashamed of myself." - Captain Kremmen - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Sep 2000 12:25:45 -0400 From: "Bob Goudreau" Subject: Re: a news report warning of pager scam > > This is an urban legend at least 15 years old. US and Canadian > > pay-per-call numbers (except area code 900) can only be reached from their > > local areas (LATAs) for exactly this reason. > > This assertion would be far more valid if NANPA only covered the > U.S. and Canada, since laws and/or regulations in those countries > do have the effect explained above. > > However, NANPA also covers the Caribbean, which means there are > 16+ other nations (and their laws and regulations) at play here. > Those nations tend not to have "900" numbers available. They > do tend to have "extra-cost" NXXes (i.e. 664-410-XXXX), calls > to which are billed at a higher rate than normal, with some of > the difference going to the owner of the number. What do you mean by "at a higher rate than normal"? If you mean "higher than the cost of a domestic long-distance call", then I agree -- such calls are not domestic, but international, and thus international toll rates apply. But if you mean "higher than the cost of a 'normal' international toll call to the country in question", then I'm skeptical. I believe that Linc Madison (www.lincmad.com) has sought for years without success to find an example of a NANP Caribbean prefix that costs more to dial (from the rest of the NANP) than do other prefixes on the same island. Can you quote specific surcharges to 664-410 that your LD carrier imposes on you that it doesn't also impose on all other calls you make to Montserrat? Bob Goudreau Cary, NC - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Sep 2000 13:45:37 -0400 From: Steven P Bills Subject: Internet call-waiting I have a question about Internet call-waiting, and long-distance calls. If I set up call forward-busy on my line to one of the 800 numbers for an Internet call-waiting service (for those who don't know, they serve as a type of voice-mail system when you log on the Internet. Some will play the message from your caller over your PC's speakers,) how is a long-distance caller routed? Does my local provider reroute to the 800 number? Or, if they use SS7-type signaling for their trunks, does the network reroute from the caller's provider to the 800 number? Will the caller still be charged for a long-distance call, even though they are reaching a toll-free service? Thanks for any insight you can provide. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Sep 2000 15:11:49 -0400 From: Peter Morgan <$nospam$@webnet.clara.net> Subject: Re: Internet call-waiting In comp.dcom.telecom I saw that on 23 Sep 2000 13:45:37 -0400 Steven P Bills wrote: >Will the caller still be charged for a long-distance call, >even though they are reaching a toll-free service? Well, they dialled _your_ number so they're likely to be paying the going rate for that call. That seems fair, as you could otherwise divert your calls to Alaska, Paris, or a 900 number and they must be isolated from any cost that your choice of diversion might generate. The fact that you use a service with an 800 number is accounted for in any charges they make, so you are presumably paying on a per call basis for this privilege (or the light users pay for heavier users). Peter Morgan, in the UK. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Sep 2000 02:03:26 -0400 From: "Andy Ball" Subject: ? about bigzoo FamilyNet HQ: Telnet:\\www.family-bbs.net Hello! GG> would you happen to have bigzoo's customer service > number? I have a problem with big zoo and they can't > seem to address my problem thru email. but i can't > find their phone number. i am extremely frustrated. Sorry to disappoint you, but the only telephone number I found for them was answered with an automated message to the effect that people should use the feedback form on their web site (is it coincidence that said form is broken?) What happened, did they double-debit you? Regards, - Andy. * SLMR 2.1a * FamilyNet <> Internet Gated Mail http://www.fmlynet.org - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #64 *******************************