Date: 3 Aug 2000 06:15:11 -0400 Message-ID: <20000803101511.22598.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #5 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 732091023aaea5030ff4c3f451e29f95 Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Thursday, August 3 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 005 In this issue: PTI Communications ICB "free" articles in Telecom Digest Re: ICB "free" articles in Telecom Digest RE: ICB "free" articles in Telecom Digest Re: ICB "free" articles in Telecom Digest RE: ICB "free" articles in Telecom Digest Re: ICB "free" articles in Telecom Digest RE: ICB "free" articles in Telecom Digest RE: ICB "free" articles in Telecom Digest It's time to ante up ... 8/2/00 ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 2 Aug 2000 10:04:48 -0400 From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Subject: PTI Communications I got an ad in the mail from PTI Communications. It offers exactly what I've wanted, a low rate, no minimums and no extra fees. Anybody have any info, good or bad about them? - -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Aug 2000 11:01:51 -0400 From: "Judith Oppenheimer" Subject: ICB "free" articles in Telecom Digest The articles coded "F" are free, but registration is required. (Contact information is not sold, leased, rented or in any way shared with anyone.) For articles coded "P" (Premium), a paid subscription is also required. :-) Judith *** Date: 2 Aug 2000 01:09:10 -0400 From: Joseph Singer Subject: ICB "free" articles in Telecom Digest I do appreciate Judith Oppenheimer's contribution of articles to the digest, but every "free" article that I clicked on in both of her submissions in the latest digest were met with: The page you requested is available only to Registered Users. If you are already registered log in now, if not Register here. User name Password If the article in the digest has an "F" next to it and you have indicated in your article that it is free to view why am I met with the above stuff?? *** Judith Oppenheimer, +1 212 684-7210, 1 800 The Expert Publisher, http://www.icbtollfree.com/testimny.cfm Register for FREE 800/Dot Com Headlines here: http://www.icbtollfree.com/reg.cfm?NextURL=Index.cfm ICB PREMIUM SUMMER SALE - ONLY $99 BUCKS A full 12-month subscription, with full article and web site access - ONLY $99 BUCKS! http://www.icbtollfree.com/order.cfm - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Aug 2000 12:04:17 -0400 From: jlurker@bigfoot.com (Justa Lurker) Subject: Re: ICB "free" articles in Telecom Digest It was 2 Aug 2000 01:09:10 -0400, and Joseph Singer wrote in comp.dcom.telecom: | I do appreciate Judith Oppenheimer's contribution of articles | to the digest, but every "free" article that I clicked on in | both of her submissions in the latest digest were met with: I appreciate Judith's support of the digest, but do wish that her messages were not so lengthy. Much of it is also repeated in every post! I believe it would be more effective if the posts were pulled down to just a few headlines ('free' ones if possible) and a link to additional headlines. Especially if they are to continue at the rate of 250+ lines a day! Be kind, Judith. If your messages get shorter I and others might actually start reading them again. Too long => Trash. JL - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Aug 2000 12:35:06 -0400 From: "Judith Oppenheimer" Subject: RE: ICB "free" articles in Telecom Digest For the sake of brevity I will try to cut down on some of the ads, but the news is the news. As for free vs. paid, many Digest subscribers have paid for ICB and then asked to receive their headlines via the Digest versus ICB's own daily email, so it's just not something we can do. That said, we wouldn't want to, either. Much of ICB's premium news, especially in toll-free, is not reported elsewhere. (Often, outside of SNAC its not even *known* elsewhere.) Same for domain name news; outside of ICANN working group circles, you get the usual mainstream press (mostly inaccurate) pablum. Ugh. So to exclude premium headlines would deny the heads-up value (even sans full articles) of the premium content, both to Digest readers who are only free registrants to ICB, and Digest readers who aren't ICB members at all. It would also diminish the compilation value that we're told saves people time etc., as they often look to ICB so they don't have to look at a dozen other sources. Judith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-telecom@telecom-digest.org [mailto:owner-telecom@telecom-digest.org]On Behalf Of Justa Lurker Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 12:04 PM To: editor@telecom-digest.org Subject: Re: ICB "free" articles in Telecom Digest It was 2 Aug 2000 01:09:10 -0400, and Joseph Singer wrote in comp.dcom.telecom: | I do appreciate Judith Oppenheimer's contribution of articles | to the digest, but every "free" article that I clicked on in | both of her submissions in the latest digest were met with: I appreciate Judith's support of the digest, but do wish that her messages were not so lengthy. Much of it is also repeated in every post! I believe it would be more effective if the posts were pulled down to just a few headlines ('free' ones if possible) and a link to additional headlines. Especially if they are to continue at the rate of 250+ lines a day! Be kind, Judith. If your messages get shorter I and others might actually start reading them again. Too long => Trash. JL - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Aug 2000 13:41:12 -0400 From: jlurker@bigfoot.com (Justa Lurker) Subject: Re: ICB "free" articles in Telecom Digest On 2 Aug 2000 12:35:06 -0400, in comp.dcom.telecom "Judith Oppenheimer" wrote: | For the sake of brevity I will try to cut down on some of | the ads, but the news is the news. When I submitted my article to the Digest I got a response saying: > No advertisements (with the exception of those contained > in standard .signature files) are welcome. I suppose that is John's standard letter, but I agree. | As for free vs. paid, many Digest subscribers have paid | for ICB and then asked to receive their headlines via the | Digest versus ICB's own daily email, Really? I don't have the option NOT to receive the headlines via the digest, short of not receiving the digest at all. I can see why digest readers wouldn't want it all twice. | ... to exclude premium headlines would deny the heads-up | value (even sans full articles) of the premium content, both | to Digest readers who are only free registrants to ICB, and | Digest readers who aren't ICB members at all. Perhaps a better way could be found to advertise your premium content. It is advertisement, and at $549 per year marked down to $99, it is a reasonably expensive product. With only four of the twelve headlines in the last release being free and advertising taking up a good portion of the rest of the post. Perhaps John could set up a 'back door' address where your posts would not be part of the daily Digest but would be sent to the Digest list? Then those who choose not to budget the money for premium content can get on with their lives quicker. In any case, if you could just post the 90 lines of news and headers instead of a 250 line post thick with ads it would be appreciated. | It would also diminish the compilation value that we're told | saves people time etc., as they often look to ICB so they | don't have to look at a dozen other sources. I don't always have time to skim through hundreds of lines from one contributor hoping not to miss the next article in the Digest. JL - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Aug 2000 14:13:02 -0400 From: "Judith Oppenheimer" Subject: RE: ICB "free" articles in Telecom Digest My sponsorship agreement is with Pat, and includes distribution of ICB Headlines in full. Judith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-telecom@telecom-digest.org [mailto:owner-telecom@telecom-digest.org]On Behalf Of Justa Lurker Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 1:41 PM To: editor@telecom-digest.org Subject: Re: ICB "free" articles in Telecom Digest On 2 Aug 2000 12:35:06 -0400, in comp.dcom.telecom "Judith Oppenheimer" wrote: | For the sake of brevity I will try to cut down on some of | the ads, but the news is the news. When I submitted my article to the Digest I got a response saying: > No advertisements (with the exception of those contained > in standard .signature files) are welcome. I suppose that is John's standard letter, but I agree. | As for free vs. paid, many Digest subscribers have paid | for ICB and then asked to receive their headlines via the | Digest versus ICB's own daily email, Really? I don't have the option NOT to receive the headlines via the digest, short of not receiving the digest at all. I can see why digest readers wouldn't want it all twice. | ... to exclude premium headlines would deny the heads-up | value (even sans full articles) of the premium content, both | to Digest readers who are only free registrants to ICB, and | Digest readers who aren't ICB members at all. Perhaps a better way could be found to advertise your premium content. It is advertisement, and at $549 per year marked down to $99, it is a reasonably expensive product. With only four of the twelve headlines in the last release being free and advertising taking up a good portion of the rest of the post. Perhaps John could set up a 'back door' address where your posts would not be part of the daily Digest but would be sent to the Digest list? Then those who choose not to budget the money for premium content can get on with their lives quicker. In any case, if you could just post the 90 lines of news and headers instead of a 250 line post thick with ads it would be appreciated. | It would also diminish the compilation value that we're told | saves people time etc., as they often look to ICB so they | don't have to look at a dozen other sources. I don't always have time to skim through hundreds of lines from one contributor hoping not to miss the next article in the Digest. JL - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Aug 2000 16:01:09 -0400 From: jlurker@bigfoot.com (Justa Lurker) Subject: Re: ICB "free" articles in Telecom Digest It was 2 Aug 2000 14:13:02 -0400, and "Judith Oppenheimer" wrote in comp.dcom.telecom: | My sponsorship agreement is with Pat, and includes | distribution of ICB Headlines in full. Well I certainly hope you get your money's worth. It certainly affects the integrity of the Digest when the mailing list is sold to an advertiser. Recognizing sponsors is one thing, but advertising is wrong. I'm glad other 'sponsors' have not taken advantage of the list in the past. Imagine the fun if Microsoft would have posted 250+ lines advertising their products every week when they were sponsors. Perhaps one of the registries would like to post lists of domains for sale? Telecom Digest is the second oldest mailing list on the Internet. Fortunately in the past 21 years several other groups and lists have come forth to take the roll that Telecom Digest once proudly held, to freely share information about telecom. Evidently I'm alone in my opinion. Either that, or all the like minded are just lurking, or gone. I was hoping to find a compromise but alas that little number is not available. I'll shut up now. Have fun in your group. JL - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Aug 2000 16:39:38 -0400 From: "Judith Oppenheimer" Subject: RE: ICB "free" articles in Telecom Digest JL - *BIG* clarification - the Digest mailing list has NOT been sold to me, nor to any other sponsor that I'm aware of. Rather, ICB is distributed to the list by the Digest, as you receive it. That you perceive news as advertising, I cannot address. But I did offer a compromise - a reduction in the real advertising ICB carries, in the version distributed to the Digest. I'd appreciate if we can put this to rest now - you can of course feel free to email me privately at joppenheimer@icbtollfree.com. Judith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-telecom@telecom-digest.org [mailto:owner-telecom@telecom-digest.org]On Behalf Of Justa Lurker Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 4:01 PM To: editor@telecom-digest.org Subject: Re: ICB "free" articles in Telecom Digest It was 2 Aug 2000 14:13:02 -0400, and "Judith Oppenheimer" wrote in comp.dcom.telecom: | My sponsorship agreement is with Pat, and includes | distribution of ICB Headlines in full. Well I certainly hope you get your money's worth. It certainly affects the integrity of the Digest when the mailing list is sold to an advertiser. Recognizing sponsors is one thing, but advertising is wrong. I'm glad other 'sponsors' have not taken advantage of the list in the past. Imagine the fun if Microsoft would have posted 250+ lines advertising their products every week when they were sponsors. Perhaps one of the registries would like to post lists of domains for sale? Telecom Digest is the second oldest mailing list on the Internet. Fortunately in the past 21 years several other groups and lists have come forth to take the roll that Telecom Digest once proudly held, to freely share information about telecom. Evidently I'm alone in my opinion. Either that, or all the like minded are just lurking, or gone. I was hoping to find a compromise but alas that little number is not available. I'll shut up now. Have fun in your group. JL - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Aug 2000 17:14:25 -0400 From: Justa Lurker Subject: RE: ICB "free" articles in Telecom Digest At 04:35 PM 8/2/2000 -0400, "Judith Oppenheimer" wrote: >JL - *BIG* clarification - the Digest mailing list has NOT >been sold to me, nor to any other sponsor that I'm aware of. Good. Because in your the post it was written: "My sponsorship agreement is with Pat, and includes distribution of ICB Headlines in full." That made it sound like a special deal that was paid for. >That you perceive news as advertising, I cannot address. The difference is between sharing information or saying come to my site (and possibly pay me) for the information. The web helps, but I hope some discussion comes back here. >But I did offer a compromise - a reduction in the real >advertising ICB carries, in the version distributed to >the Digest. And that is up to you. I hope you follow through. The numbers given in my previous response (90 lines vs 250) were based on removing advertising and keeping paid news links. Without 'real' ads it will be something managable. >I'd appreciate if we can put this to rest now - That's fine. I've had my say. The ball is in your court. JL - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Aug 2000 20:12:04 -0400 From: RegrettableError@netscape.net Subject: It's time to ante up ... Fellow netizens, As a longtime Telecom Digest reader, and someone whom has supported the Digest in the past, I'm writing to ask that Digest readers contribute to Pat's support. Pat's recent absence has made it clear - in case it wasn't obvious - that he's been providing what is, IMHO, one of the best services on Usenet. If I had to guess why Pat's been offline, I'd say that he's probably trying to make a living, and I think we should all examine what his stewardship of Telecom Digest & the web site is worth. During the hiatus, I and others debated what to do to get the digest going - but I always came to the same conclusion. Pat Townson *IS* the digest, and we ought to pay him for it. Of course, it's impossible to measure what Pat has done, but he has to eat, and it's only fair that those of us whom benefit from his work pay our share. Let's be frank: few want to pay for what others get for free, and I think there's a way to get around this problem. I propose that an advance email version of the digest be sent only to contributors, a day (or two?) in advance. Of course, it's only a symbolic benefit, but people are funny and it's nice to get *something*, however small, for spending money. I'm sure Pat's needs are modest, although I don't know what housing and food and medical care cost in Chicago. If 5,000 digest readers contribute $10/year, we can support Pat in reasonable style. Surely, there are at least that many readers out there? It's past time we all chipped in. Bill Horne (My real address in bhorne at banet dot net. 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Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Aug 2000 23:57:16 -0400 From: "Judith Oppenheimer" Subject: 8/2/00 ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ************************************************************************* ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ************************************************************************* from ICB Toll Free News - Daily News and Intelligence covering the Political, Legal and Marketing Arenas of 800 and Dot Com. ************************************************************************* CONTENTS - - 866 UPDATE - - WILL 333 ADD UP TO MORE THAN 1-800? - - ICANN MEMBER NOMINATIONS: RUNNING BLIND - - WEDO.MOO - - CHINA TELCOM OFFERS FREE CALLS ON SUNDAYS - - HARVARD U COUNTERSUES NOTHARVARD.COM - - SEX.COM: OWNERSHIP RULING DUE - - UDRP-SUCKS.COM - - IS THE ANSWER TO TOLL FREE 'BOON', 4TH AND 5TH NUMBER? ************************************************************************* CUSTOMER SERVICE NOTES: ICB Premium Service is on Summer Sale for $99 for a 12 month subscription, including access to all 'P' articles and Premium areas of the web site. 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CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4253 F - WILL 333 ADD UP TO MORE THAN 1-800? New service lets cellular phone users connect to participating radio and outdoor advertisers by dialing #333. The calls are airtime-free and toll-free for the consumer -- and the pitch is "its better than 800." CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4261 F - ICANN MEMBER NOMINATIONS: RUNNING BLIND It is nearly impossible to have an election with a hidden electorate. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4260 F - WEDO.MOO Tucows Inc. has launched an open demonstration environment for its new Tucows OpenXRS (Open Extensible Registry System) registry management solution. 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Are you listed? http://www.whosells800.com/800serpro.cfm ************************************************************************* ************************************************************************* more HEADLINES FOR August 2, 2000 F - CHINA TELCOM OFFERS FREE CALLS ON SUNDAYS New T&T, a fixed telecom network operator, is offering free IDD calls to Shenzhen and Shekou, China, every Sunday. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4257 F - HARVARD U COUNTERSUES NOTHARVARD.COM Although NotHarvard.com has not appealed the USPTO denial of their trademark application, notHarvard last week sued Harvard in Texas. The company asked the judge to declare its domain name and trademarks valid and protectable. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4256 F - SEX.COM: OWNERSHIP RULING DUE ``He has strong-armed other Web sites with threatening e-mails, and they simply handed over their domain names.'' 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