Date: 10 Aug 2000 22:41:54 -0400 Message-ID: <20000811024154.22613.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #16 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: ae29fe058d6353c065ef5aaa9b48122a Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Thursday, August 10 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 016 In this issue: RE: Telecom Digest V2000 #15 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 10 Aug 2000 22:41:51 -0400 From: "Bill McMullin" Subject: RE: Telecom Digest V2000 #15 Anyone know where I can sources for used programmable switches? Thanks, Bill McMullin InfoInterActive Inc. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org [mailto:owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org] Sent: August 10, 2000 11:24 PM To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #15 Telecom Digest Thursday, August 10 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 015 In this issue: Re: Large block of new prefixes for Peoria IL / McLeod Telco Re: Extraordinary waste of prefixes in Peoria, IL Re: Phone Fears: Malignant or Benign? Re: NO long distance carrier on phone, but Hacker calls overseas on my line! Where have all the phone booths gone? Re: Phone Fears: Malignant or Benign? Re: Where have all the phone booths gone? Re: 8/9/00 ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES Re: Where have all the phone booths gone? RE: Where have all the phone booths gone? Re: Where have all the phone booths gone? Re: Directory Assistance Errors (Was Re: MSNBC on 411) Re: Extraordinary waste of prefixes in Peoria, IL Re: Where have all the phone booths gone? Re: Where have all the phone booths gone? Re: Where have all the phone booths gone? Telecom Digest Mailing List Phone Booths? Re: Extraordinary waste of prefixes in Peoria, IL Re: Phone Fears: Malignant or Benign? Re: Phone Fears: Malignant or Benign? Re: Where have all the phone booths gone? Re: Telecom Digest Mailing List Re: Where have all the phone booths gone? Re: NO long distance carrier on phone, but Hacker calls overseas on my line! 8/10/00 ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 10 Aug 2000 06:27:15 -0400 From: Mark J Cuccia Subject: Re: Large block of new prefixes for Peoria IL / McLeod Telco (Followup on Linc Madison's Post, "Extraordinary waste of prefixes in Peoria, IL") McLeod is a CLEC, but they are an "outgrowth" and possibly the new corporate name of independent incumbent LEC "Illinois Consolidated Telco" -- I think McLeod is the family's name. As an incumbent (independent) LEC, they are the "traditional DDD" local/toll from/within the "Mattoon IL" LATA #976. (that 976 numerical has NOTHING to do with "local" PAY-per-call c.o.code 976, but is the numerical code to identify the (incumbent) independent LEC/LATA for and surrounding Mattoon IL). The Peoria CLLI, PEORILTC5MD (generic DS equipment type) is a CLLI for Peoria, but the -xMD extension is not really for a "switch" but rather a "point-of-demarcation" or "point-of-interface/interconnection". This POD, POP (point-of-presence) or POI, _DOES_ appear to be _located_ _in_ Peoria, but the actual switch providing the dialtone might not necessarily be located in Peoria. I wonder if someone "goofed" when inputting data for the _ratecenter_ of Peoria, when it could be that many prefixes are really assigned to tariffed ratecenters outside of Peoria (surrounding Peoria) ... Again, a "massive" clerical/input/entry error on SOMEONE's part. I usually don't download NANPAs prefix lists. But I know that these also indicate (default) telco OCN-assignee, ratecenter, switch (or POI) CLLI that the prefix is "default" assigned to, etc. Had you yet cross-referenced with what NANPA's downloadable c.o.code files indicate? BTW, the "LATA" code as indicated in the NNAG is not necessarily the LATA of that ratecenter, but rather the LATA of the switch/PO CLLI. Fictitious example: There "could" be a CLEC which has 225-NXX prefixes for the Baton Rouge LA ratecenter or any ratecenter in the Baton Rouge LATA. If the CLLI they indicate is actually for the _switch_ giving the dialtone rather than the POP/POD/POI in Baton Rouge, and that switch happens to be in New Orleans, while the ratecenter indicated will be Baton Rouge (or whatever ratecenter in the Baton Rouge LATA), the LATA code as indicated in NNAG will be for the New Orleans LA LATA. This "could" cause mis-billings for some local service-providers in the Baton Rouge LATA and the New Orleans LATA who don't "pay proper attention" to the details of other data reported in LERG/RDBS, TPM, and other telco industry databases (TIRKS for trunk groups), or official tariffs. A local service provider in the Baton Rouge LATA might put that c.o.code in their switch-translations (and billing equipment) as inTER-LATA, and a local or inTRA-LATA toll call would be incorrectly handed over to the customer's inTER-LATA "PIC". Conversely, a local service provider in the New Orleans LATA might put that c.o.code in their switch translations and billing equipment as inTRA-LATA toll, and a toll call would be incorrectly processed (for billing) via the inTRA-LATA toll "PIC" which might not necessarily be the same as a calling customer's inTER-LATA toll "PIC". Mark J. Cuccia mcuccia@tulane.edu - - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - ------------------------------ Date: 10 Aug 2000 09:29:30 -0400 From: Daniel Seagraves Subject: Re: Extraordinary waste of prefixes in Peoria, IL On 4 Aug 2000, Linc Madison wrote: > I was just browsing through the August 2000 NNAG document from > Telcordia TRA, and I noticed something astonishing. Within a one-month > period (8/18 to 9/18/2000), a single operating company is activating > TWENTY prefixes in the Peoria, Illinois, rate center. The company is > McLeod USA Telco of Illinois. The prefixes appear in the NNAG as brand > new, not as existing prefixes being changed to a different OCN. These guys have already talked to us. I'm in Peoria, and I work for a computer training center that's getting pretty heavily screwed by Ameritech. (They're reselling our DIDs to dial customers, then charging us for the DID, the dial customer's access, and the dial customer's long distance. We've been arguing with them over it for a few months now, they basically told us to just shut up and go away. They have no plans to fix the problem OR stop billing us for these, and they say if we don't pay they'll disconnect all our lines.) Anyway, they're supposed to be running all these from one 5ESS. I'm about a block or two from where they're building their (at least they told me it was their) main offices. Dunno if the switch will be there or not. I could try poking about to see what they're up to... A 5ESS is a decently impressive piece of equipment (To me at least... All I know is that they're HUGE.) but can it handle 20 whole prefixes? "Confuse, annoy, and DEE-STROY!" -- Jet Wolf | "Nothing Happens." -- ADVENT "You'd be surprised what you can live through..." -- Anonymous "...A man can pass his family and his name down through his sons, but it's his honour that gets passed through his daughters. He can see the best and worst of life in his girls. A daughter is something far too precious, and he'll do anything to protect her." -- Reichsfuehrer Siegfried Koenig, _Matrose_Mond_, David Oliver - - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - ------------------------------ Date: 10 Aug 2000 09:31:26 -0400 From: Fred Atkinson Subject: Re: Phone Fears: Malignant or Benign? >Aren't digital cell phones supposed to transmit with less power anyway? This question demonstrates a lack of understanding about antenna design. A satellite dish is the most extreme example. For that reason, it makes it the easiest to understand. The output of a satellite transmitter is often as low as one hundred milliwatts. Even so, the power leaving the dish is in the megawatt range. Have you ever seen a flashlight bulb illuminated without being in the flashlight? It's very dim. But when you put it in the flashlight it becomes very bright. The light travels from the bulb in all directions, a ray of light in each different direction. When the bulb is in the flashlight, the reflective dish around the bulb collects each ray, reflects it into the same path it reflects every other ray. Thus the bright beam of light. When you add the power from each ray of light collected, it's a dramatic increase (gain) in power. A satellite dish works in the same way as a flashlight. Thus the megawatt transmission (which is really needed to penetrate the atmosphere and arrive at the satellite in sufficient strength to have any level of clarity) in a straight line. Satellite dishes are rated for the amount of gain (power out versus power in) they can provide. The numbers for them are really quite high. Other antennas are rated for gain, though it is not in the astronomical numbers of a satellite dish. Nonetheless (depending upon the antenna design) it is possible that it could be quite high. Assuming it is omnidirectional, each ray could penetrate your skull and by the time all rays have, it could theoretically be quite a bit (total). In my humble opinion, not enough is known and handheld cellulars have not been around long enough that we can draw any conclusions about long term health effects. I was carrying one for a few months at my last job. I invested in a headset and held the phone away from my body while I was using it. Now I am hearing stories of how the radiation may be conducted into the headset. I still have reservations, but it is not impossible. I'd recommend that you use a headset and hold the phone away from yur body while using it. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. And for myself, I don't wish to be frying my brain so I'll be cautious for now. It will be a long time before long term effects can really be known. Fred - - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - ------------------------------ Date: 10 Aug 2000 10:35:55 -0400 From: pete-weiss@psu.edu (Pete Weiss) Subject: Re: NO long distance carrier on phone, but Hacker calls overseas on my line! On 9 Aug 2000 15:50:28 -0400, s falke wrote: |Shouldn't the 101XXXX provider show up on your bill? My residential service is PICCed to a specific IXC, and I also use two of their dialarounds. I receive the IXC billing thru my ILEC (BA-PA). The LD billing does NOT differentiate amont the types of dialed LD calls (1+ and 01xxxxx) -- I have to look at the CPM to figure out which I've used. /Pete - - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - ------------------------------ Date: 10 Aug 2000 11:22:15 -0400 From: Roy Smith Subject: Where have all the phone booths gone? The other day, I needed to make a phone call at work which required some privacy. I set off to find a phone in a phone booth where I could shut the door and use the phone. Could not find one. I checked out a few locations in the complex where I work where I seemed to remember phone booths, but they had all been converted to little alcoves with pay phones hung on the wall. The more I think about it, I can't remember the last time I saw an honest to goodness phone booth, with a seat, a door, a light that comes on when you close the door (and a fan even). A phone book, of course, would be too much to ask for, but I'd settle for a door that you could close. Do they still exist anywhere? - - -- Roy Smith New York University School of Medicine - - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - ------------------------------ Date: 10 Aug 2000 12:33:29 -0400 From: Andrew Subject: Re: Phone Fears: Malignant or Benign? Fred Atkinson wrote: >>Aren't digital cell phones supposed to transmit with less power anyway? > This question demonstrates a lack of understanding about antenna > design. Your post reveals an addled reasoning process. Seemed like a fair question to me. Do the newer digital wireless technologies transmit with less power than AMPS? I would guess that the ones based on a spread-spectrum technology use less because of the lower S/N requirement. I won't address the rest of your moronic post. Andrew - - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - ------------------------------ Date: 10 Aug 2000 13:32:06 -0400 From: scsmediafmp@aol.com (Steven Scharf) Subject: Re: Where have all the phone booths gone? Go to The Oaks (formerly The Five Oaks) at 49 Grove Street. It is a piano bar in Greenwich Village which for nolstagic reasons, and because you would not be able to hear when the place is busy, to keep thier ancient phone booth. Steven Scharf SCS Media Services 57 East 11th Street, 9th Floor New York, New York 10003 212-822-8555 201-547-3510 Direct Phone and Fax (Please call first before faxing) SCSMedia@aol.com Roy Smith roy@endeavor.med.nyu.edu asked: The other day, I needed to make a phone call at work which required some privacy. I set off to find a phone in a phone booth where I could shut the door and use the phone. Could not find one. I checked out a few locations in the complex where I work where I seemed to remember phone booths, but they had all been converted to little alcoves with pay phones hung on the wall. The more I think about it, I can't remember the last time I saw an honest to goodness phone booth, with a seat, a door, a light that comes on when you close the door (and a fan even). A phone book, of course, would be too much to ask for, but I'd settle for a door that you could close. Do they still exist anywhere? - - -- Roy Smith New York University School of Medicine - - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - ------------------------------ Date: 10 Aug 2000 17:34:58 GMT From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) Subject: Re: 8/9/00 ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES In article , Judith Oppenheimer wrote: >************************************************************************* >ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES >************************************************************************* It is ridiculous to distribute one mailing list over another. Those who want this icb service can sign up for it themselves. Please stop posting it. - ------------------------------ Date: 10 Aug 2000 14:07:32 -0400 From: jlurker@bigfoot.com (Justa Lurker) Subject: Re: Where have all the phone booths gone? It was 10 Aug 2000 11:22:15 -0400, and Roy Smith wrote in comp.dcom.telecom: | The more I think about it, I can't remember the last time I saw | an honest to goodness phone booth, with a seat, a door, a light | that comes on when you close the door (and a fan even). A phone | book, of course, would be too much to ask for, but I'd settle for | a door that you could close. Do they still exist anywhere? There are a few around, and I am likewise surprised to see them. And as for one with working lights and doors that would be harder. Especially if you also needed a directory in there. JL - - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - ------------------------------ Date: 10 Aug 2000 14:21:25 -0400 From: "Judith Oppenheimer" Subject: RE: Where have all the phone booths gone? Didn't some cities - I remember New York and Chicago - experience a pullback of comfortable phone booths - in some areas, I thought, all phone booths - due to their appropriation by drug dealers? If you're around the NYU campus in the Village, that might be it. Judith Judith Oppenheimer, +1 212 684-7210, 1 800 The Expert Publisher, http://www.icbtollfree.com/testimny.cfm Register for FREE 800/Dot Com Headlines here: http://www.icbtollfree.com/reg.cfm?NextURL=Index.cfm ICB PREMIUM SUMMER SALE - ONLY $99 DOLLARS http://www.icbtollfree.com/order.cfm - - -----Original Message----- From: owner-telecom@telecom-digest.org [mailto:owner-telecom@telecom-digest.org]On Behalf Of Roy Smith Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 11:22 AM To: editor@telecom-digest.org Subject: Where have all the phone booths gone? The other day, I needed to make a phone call at work which required some privacy. I set off to find a phone in a phone booth where I could shut the door and use the phone. Could not find one. I checked out a few locations in the complex where I work where I seemed to remember phone booths, but they had all been converted to little alcoves with pay phones hung on the wall. The more I think about it, I can't remember the last time I saw an honest to goodness phone booth, with a seat, a door, a light that comes on when you close the door (and a fan even). A phone book, of course, would be too much to ask for, but I'd settle for a door that you could close. Do they still exist anywhere? - - -- Roy Smith New York University School of Medicine - - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - ------------------------------ Date: 10 Aug 2000 14:31:31 -0400 From: Linc Madison Subject: Re: Where have all the phone booths gone? In article <3992e8f5.2177247@207.98.148.124>, Justa Lurker wrote: > It was 10 Aug 2000 11:22:15 -0400, and Roy Smith > wrote in comp.dcom.telecom: > | The more I think about it, I can't remember the last time I saw > | an honest to goodness phone booth, with a seat, a door, a light > | that comes on when you close the door (and a fan even). A phone > | book, of course, would be too much to ask for, but I'd settle for > | a door that you could close. Do they still exist anywhere? > > There are a few around, and I am likewise surprised to see them. > > And as for one with working lights and doors that would be harder. > Especially if you also needed a directory in there. Rincon Center in San Francisco (an old postal facility converted to shops and offices) has at least TWO of them. Of course, it's not a new problem: there's a wonderful scene in one of the "Superman" movies where Clark Kent is dashing about, looking for a place to transform into Superman, and you see him glowering at a row of payphones-on-a-pole on the sidewalk. - - -- For faster replies, use Telecom # LincMad * com, substituting punctuation - - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - ------------------------------ Date: 10 Aug 2000 14:38:34 -0400 From: sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) Subject: Re: Directory Assistance Errors (Was Re: MSNBC on 411) >>From 'AES': >[P.S. -- It's my understanding -- though I'm NOT an authority on this -- >that your local phone company may NOT cut off your service, or otherwise >hassle you, if you refuse to pay charges on your bill that they are just >passing through for other companies.] They may not be able to, but the company for which they are billing probably can come after you. - - -- North Shore Technologies, Cleveland, OH http://NorthShoreTechnologies.net Steve Sobol, BOFH - President, Chief Website Architect and Janitor Linux Instructor, PC/LAN Program, Natl. Institute of Technology, Akron, OH sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net - 888.480.4NET - 216.619.2NET - - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - ------------------------------ Date: 10 Aug 2000 14:38:35 -0400 From: sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) Subject: Re: Extraordinary waste of prefixes in Peoria, IL >>From 'Linc Madison': >It's certainly possible that one of the web-based fax-and/or-voicemail >companies is setting up a major presence, but even so, 350,000 numbers >in a span of less than half a year is a bit much. I'm familiar with the >cluster of fax numbers in New Hampshire -- I have such a number in the >603-719 prefix, but almost all of my traffic on it is folks in New >Hampshire forgetting to put the "1" in front of (719) nxx-xxxx. >Strangely enough, they assigned me that number when I said I was in >California; when I lied and said I was in Boston, they gave me a number >in Arizona. It seems they really want to persuade you to pay extra to >get your own area code. I don't know who you use. I use eFax. The only Ohio area code I can get is 419; the only area where they have phone numbers is Toledo. I can choose whatever number I want in any of the area code where they have reserved blocks of numbers, though. - - -- North Shore Technologies, Cleveland, OH http://NorthShoreTechnologies.net Steve Sobol, BOFH - President, Chief Website Architect and Janitor Linux Instructor, PC/LAN Program, Natl. Institute of Technology, Akron, OH sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net - 888.480.4NET - 216.619.2NET - - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - ------------------------------ Date: 10 Aug 2000 14:38:35 -0400 From: sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) Subject: Re: Where have all the phone booths gone? >>From 'Judith Oppenheimer': >Didn't some cities - I remember New York and Chicago - experience a pullback of >comfortable phone booths - in some areas, I thought, all phone booths - due to >their appropriation by drug dealers? And Cleveland. - - -- North Shore Technologies, Cleveland, OH http://NorthShoreTechnologies.net Steve Sobol, BOFH - President, Chief Website Architect and Janitor Linux Instructor, PC/LAN Program, Natl. Institute of Technology, Akron, OH sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net - 888.480.4NET - 216.619.2NET - - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - ------------------------------ Date: 10 Aug 2000 14:58:42 -0400 From: "Kluso" Subject: Re: Where have all the phone booths gone? We've got a couple of the UK style booths in Suttons Bay, Michigan. http://www.multimag.com/city/mi/suttonsbay/spring2.jpg - - -Kluso - - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - ------------------------------ Date: 10 Aug 2000 15:28:14 -0400 From: jwm@spdcc.com (Jeffrey William McKeough) Subject: Re: Where have all the phone booths gone? In article , Judith Oppenheimer wrote: >Didn't some cities - I remember New York and Chicago - experience a >pullback of comfortable phone booths - in some areas, I thought, all >phone booths - due to their appropriation by drug dealers? Payphones in many places were removed (or in some cases converted to rotary to discourage people from calling pagers from them) because of drug dealers. The telephone *booth* was phased out because it was inaccessible to people using wheelchairs. - - -- Jeffrey William McKeough I'm gonna tell you a story I'm gonna tell you about my town jwm@spdcc.com I'm gonna tell you a big bad story, baby (or spdcc.net if that bounces) Aww, it's all about my town - - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - ------------------------------ Date: 10 Aug 2000 15:28:19 -0400 From: Alexandra Browne Subject: Telecom Digest Mailing List Hi Patrick, >>From my research, it seems that you are the point person to receive mailing lists for this magazine. I am interested in your mailing lists. I would lke you to fax the job functions that you magazine serves so that I can choose a list...also is there any way that I can get prices for this. My fax number is (609) 936-8811. Look forward to hearing from you Alexandra P Consulting Group Alexandra Browne Tel: (609) 716 3967 Fax: (609) 936 8811 - - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - ------------------------------ Date: 10 Aug 2000 15:58:31 -0400 From: Mark J Cuccia Subject: Phone Booths? Here in New Orleans, we never really had that many of the plexi-glass and aluminum so-called "Superman" booths. Outdoor payphones have mostly been on pedestals or bracketed to outside walls (with our without some form of 'enclosure'), even many decades ago. There have been a few outdoor plexi-glass/aluminum booths, but it always was rare in New Orleans. However, there have been booths inside office buildings. Some of the "modern" office buildings of the 1960's/70's era have had rows of plexi-glass/aluminum booths built into an "alcove", where the booths are part of the office building's interior architechture style, and not really standalone-but-joined togather "Bell" type aluminum/plexi-glass booths. But some OLD office buildings might still have the REAL booths of the 1920's, 30's, 40's, even 50's... the WOODEN booth with GLASS panes, with the interior having that thick plastic "bubble" covering... WOODEN triangular bench in the corner, WOODEN writing shelf, incandescent bulb, and exhaust fan attachment protruding down into the booth with simple metal toggle switch... Now, if only real WESTERN ELECTRIC triple coin slotters (ding; ding-ding; dong), with rotary dials and "daisy wheel" outer-ring of red-digits/ black-letters; either separated receiver/transmitter, or F-series/ 302-type handset or G-series/500-type handset- could be installed in those remaining 1920's-50's era wooden booths! :-) Mark J. Cuccia mcuccia@tulane.edu - - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - ------------------------------ Date: 10 Aug 2000 19:06:15 -0400 From: Terry Kennedy Subject: Re: Extraordinary waste of prefixes in Peoria, IL Daniel Seagraves writes: > A 5ESS is a decently impressive piece of equipment (To me at least... All > I know is that they're HUGE.) but can it handle 20 whole prefixes? I don't see why not. The 201-332 machine (a 1A) had 132,000 WTN's on it when it got rolled into the 201-200 machine (a 5ESS). So that added at least 14 prefixes to whatever was on 201-200 already. I expect that a lot depends on what sort of line terminations are on the switch - at least with a DMS, you can stick a lot more PRI's on the switch than you can analog POTS lines. I saw a DMS about 6 months ago that was at 750K WTN's and rapidly heading toward the 1M mark. Apparently this is on the cutting edge of DMS deployment. Terry Kennedy http://www.tmk.com terry@tmk.com Jersey City, NJ USA - - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - ------------------------------ Date: 10 Aug 2000 19:52:29 -0400 From: Jonathan Seder Subject: Re: Phone Fears: Malignant or Benign? There was a lengthy thread on this recently. More than 1,200 studies have thus far failed to find any linkage between wireless phone radiation and illness. If RF radiation was dangerous, then people with substantial, long-term occupational exposure (barbers who use electric clippers, carpenters who use circular saws, automobile engine assemblers who use powered wrenches) would have ill effects. They don't. One prominent, widely cited study cited reported a doubling of the risk of auditory neuromas in people who had been using wireless phones for more than five (?) years. This study was rejected in peer review but widely cited anyway. Some of the problems with this study: Incidence of this cancer is extremely low, and the sample size was far too small to make any valid statement about incidence; a doubling of an extremely small risk (from 1/10,000,000 to 1/5,000,000, say) isn't very important; there was sample bias - most of these cancers are never detected, so an ad seeking people for a study of cell phone safety would attract people far more likely than average to have this problem; and so on. The big risk with wireless phones is not cancer. The big risk is that telephone conversations are distracting, and people use wireless phones while doing tasks that require concentration. Talking on wireless phones makes drivers more likely to hit pedestrians or bridge abutments; pedestrians to walk into lampposts; or bicyclists to make dangerous blunders (I saw a bicyclist chatting on a cell phone just yesterday!). Drive now, talk later. - - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - ------------------------------ Date: 10 Aug 2000 20:04:52 -0400 From: John De Hoog Subject: Re: Phone Fears: Malignant or Benign? Jonathan Seder wrote... >The big risk with wireless phones is not cancer. The big risk is that >telephone conversations are distracting, and people use wireless phones >while doing tasks that require concentration. Talking on wireless >phones makes drivers more likely to hit pedestrians or bridge >abutments; pedestrians to walk into lampposts; or bicyclists to make >dangerous blunders (I saw a bicyclist chatting on a cell phone just >yesterday!). Here in Tokyo, I see them many times a day. But fewer people are walking with cell phones at their ears; today, most of them are looking down at them as they read or type email messages. BTW, yesterday I saw a truck driver on a busy highway brushing his teeth as he drove along next to our train. Cell phones are not the only risk in this respect. Relative to another thread, the popularity of cell phones in Tokyo has led to a rapid decline in the number of once-ubiquitous phone booths. - - -- John De Hoog, Tokyo http://dehoog.org - - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - ------------------------------ Date: 10 Aug 2000 21:00:16 -0400 From: hudsonl@skypoint.com (Hudson Leighton) Subject: Re: Where have all the phone booths gone? In article , jwm@spdcc.com (Jeffrey William McKeough) wrote: > In article , > Judith Oppenheimer wrote: > >Didn't some cities - I remember New York and Chicago - experience a > >pullback of comfortable phone booths - in some areas, I thought, all > >phone booths - due to their appropriation by drug dealers? > > Payphones in many places were removed (or in some cases converted to > rotary to discourage people from calling pagers from them) because of > drug dealers. The telephone *booth* was phased out because it was > inaccessible to people using wheelchairs. > In the older building I work in the second floor lobby still has a bank of old wooden phonebooths with seats even! And the rest of the building has the hang on the wall type payphones that are designed so that you cannot hear the party you are calling and they cannot hear you over the background noise. - - -Hudson - - -- http://www.skypoint.com/~hudsonl - - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - ------------------------------ Date: 10 Aug 2000 21:00:15 -0400 From: hudsonl@skypoint.com (Hudson Leighton) Subject: Re: Telecom Digest Mailing List In article <931D03453620D31185590008C70744EC6F23A4@PRIMBX01>, Alexandra Browne wrote: > Hi Patrick, > > From my research, it seems that you are the point person to receive mailing > lists for this magazine. I am interested in your mailing lists. I would > lke you to fax the job functions that you magazine serves so that I can > choose a list...also is there any way that I can get prices for this. My > fax number is (609) 936-8811. Look forward to hearing from you > > Alexandra > > P Consulting Group > Alexandra Browne > Tel: (609) 716 3967 > Fax: (609) 936 8811 > -- Somebody doesn't know Pat do they - - -Hudson - - -- http://www.skypoint.com/~hudsonl - - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - ------------------------------ Date: 10 Aug 2000 21:09:37 -0400 From: Terry Kennedy Subject: Re: Where have all the phone booths gone? Roy Smith writes: > The more I think about it, I can't remember the last time I saw an honest to > goodness phone booth, with a seat, a door, a light that comes on when you close > the door (and a fan even). A phone book, of course, would be too much to ask > for, but I'd settle for a door that you could close. Do they still exist > anywhere? 60 Hudson St. in NYC (the old Western Union building, also known as 160 W. Broadway) has a whole row (a dozen or so) of wood phone booths in the lobby, complete with doors/fans/lights. There is a separate directory rack with directories. I expect the only reason this survives is that the lobby has landmark status. Terry Kennedy http://www.tmk.com terry@tmk.com Jersey City, NJ USA - - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - ------------------------------ Date: 10 Aug 2000 21:33:21 -0400 From: Tony Pelliccio Subject: Re: NO long distance carrier on phone, but Hacker calls overseas on my line! In article <20000808215248.12186.qmail@ivan.iecc.com>, peny_lane2@my-deja.com wrote: >What time was the call placed and what date was it placed? >Was the call placed late at night or during the day? Week day, or week end? > >Could someone get access to your phone WIRES (tap in with a butt set)? >If you live in an apartment, do you know if your wires are routed through >some other apartment? This was commonly done in older buildings, but newer >wiring codes forbid this. They may still be accessable in a utility closet. While they don't necessarily route the wiring through other apartments, it's relatively easy to gain access to the distribution panel, or even to the NI placed OUTSIDE most buildings. Tony - - -- == Tony Pelliccio, KD1S == I will gladly share my knowledge and experience for there are no == greater words than "I told you so." - - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. 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