Return-Path: Received: by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.7.4/NSCS-1.0S) id WAA13961; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 22:15:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 22:15:21 -0500 (EST) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <199711140315.WAA13961@massis.lcs.mit.edu> To: ptownson Subject: TELECOM Digest V17 #314 TELECOM Digest Thu, 13 Nov 97 22:15:00 EST Volume 17 : Issue 314 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Updated GSM-List 11/08/97 (Jurgen Morhofer) Re: Updated GSM-List 11/08/97 (Romain Fournols) Re: The Internet Will Swallow the Phone System (Lee Winson) Re: The Internet Will Swallow the Phone System (Dan Seyb) New Book: MS Active Platform Sourcebook (John Burke) Re: Updated Guide to North American Area Codes Wanted (Thomas Peter Carr) Re: New York Times on Net Day (Rishab Aiyer Ghosh) Re: CallerID Info Needed (Rich Courtney) How Do I Learn My Default Long Distance Carrier? 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Any organizations listed are for identification purposes only and messages should not be considered any official expression by the organization. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 06:01:45 +0100 From: Jurgen Morhofer Subject: Updated GSM-List 11/08/97 For the latest edition of this list look at my Web-Site: http://www.cs.tu-berlin.de/~jutta/gsm/gsm-list.html kindly supplied by Jutta Degener. Since the introduction of Dual-Band GSM phones it makes sense for the first time to add DCS 1800/1900 operators too as the original purpose of this list was meant to be a roaming guide. (Changes in the list marked by "*") Date 11-08-1997. Country Operator name Network code Tel to customer service ------ ------------- ------------ ----------------------- Albania AMC 276 01 Andorra STA-Mobiland 213 03 Int + 376 824 115 Argentina Armenia Armentel Australia Optus 505 02 Int + 61 2 9342 6000 Telecom/Telstra 505 01 Int + 61 18 01 8287 Vodafone 505 03 Int + 61 2 9415 7236 Austria Mobilkom Austria 232 01 Int + 43 664 1661 max.mobil. 232 03 Int + 43 676 2000 * Connect Austria Int + 43 1 58187300 Azerbaidjan Azercell 400 01 Int + 994 12 98 28 23 * JV Bakcell Bahrain Batelco 426 01 Int + 973 885557 Bangladesh Grameen Phone Ltd ??? ?? * TM International Belgium Proximus 206 01 Int + 32 2205 4912 Mobistar 206 10 Bosnia Cronet 218 01 PTT Bosnia 218 19 Botswana Brunei DSTCom 528 11 Jabatan Telekom 528 01 Bulgaria Citron 284 01 Int + 359 88 500031 Burkina Faso OnaTel Canada * Microcell 302 37 Cambodia CamGSM Cameroon PTT Cameroon Cellnet 624 01 Chile China Guangdong MCC 460 00 Beijing Wireless China Unicom 460 01 Zhuhai Comms DGT MPT Jiaxing PTT Tjianjin Toll Congo African Telecoms Croatia HR Cronet 219 01 Int + 385 14550772 Cyprus CYTA 280 01 Int + 357 2 310588 Czech Rep. Eurotel Praha 230 02 Int + 42 2 6701 6701 Radio Mobil 230 01 Int + 42 603 603 603 Denmark Sonofon 238 02 Int + 45 8020 2100 Tele Danmark Mobil 238 01 Int + 45 8020 2020 Egypt * Arento 602 01 Estonia EMT 248 01 Int + 372 6 397130 Radiolinja Eesti 248 02 Int + 372 6 399966 Ritabell Ethiopia ETA 636 01 Fiji Vodafone 542 01 Int + 679 312000 Finland Radiolinja 244 05 Int + 358 800 95050 Telecom 244 91 Int + 358 800 17000 Alands Mobil 244 05 Telivo Ltd. * Finnet 244 09 Int + 358 800 94000 France Itineris 208 01 Int + 33 1 44 62 14 81 SFR 208 10 Int + 33 1 44 16 20 16 * Bouygues Telekom 208 20 Fr.Polynesia Tikiphone 547 20 Fr.W.Indies Ameris 340 01 Georgia Superphone Geocell 282 01 Magticom 282 02 Germany D1, DeTeMobil 262 01 Int + 49 511 288 0171 D2, Mannesmann 262 02 Int + 49 172 1212 Ghana Franci Walker Ltd ScanCom 620 01 Gibraltar GibTel 266 01 Int + 350 58 102 000 G Britain Cellnet 234 10 Int + 44 753 504548 Vodafone 234 15 Int + 44 836 1191 Jersey Telecom 234 50 Int + 44 1534 882 512 Guernsey Telecom 234 55 Manx Telecom 234 58 Int + 44 1624 636613 Greece Panafon 202 05 Int + 30 94 400 122 STET 202 10 Int + 30 93 333 333 Guinea Int'l Wireless Spacetel * Sotelgui Hong Kong HK Hutchison 454 04 SmarTone 454 06 Int + 852 2880 2688 Telecom CSL 454 00 Int + 852 2888 1010 Hungary Pannon GSM 216 01 Int + 36 1 270 4120 Westel 900 216 30 Int + 36 30 303 100 Iceland Post & Simi 274 01 Int + 354 800 6330 India Airtel 404 10 Int + 91 10 012345 Essar 404 11 Int + 91 11 098110 Maxtouch 404 20 BPL Mobile 404 21 Command 404 30 Mobilenet 404 31 Skycell 404 40 Int + 91 44 8222939 RPG MAA 404 41 Usha Martin Modi Telstra Sterling Cellular Mobile Telecom Airtouch BPL USWest Koshiki Bharti Telenet Birla Comm Cellular Comms TATA Escotel JT Mobiles Indonesia TELKOMSEL 510 10 Int=A0+ 62 21 8282811 PT Satelit Palapa 510 01 Int + 62 21 533 1881 PT Kartika Excelcom 510 11 Iraq Iraq Telecom 418 ?? Iran T.C.I. 432 11 Int + 98 2 18706341 Celcom Kish Free Zone Ireland Eircell 272 01 Int + 353 42 38888 Digifone 272 02 Int + 353 61 203 501 Italy Omnitel 222 10 Int + 39 349 2000 190 Telecom Italia Mobile 222 01 Int + 39 339 9119 Ivory Coast Ivoiris 612 03 Int + 225 23 90 00 Comstar 612 01 Int + 225 21 51 51 * Loteny Telecom 612 05 Int + 225 32 32 32 Japan Jordan JMTS 416 01 Kenya Kenya Telecom Kuwait MTCNet 419 02 Int + 965 484 2000 La Reunion SRR 647 10 Laos Lao Shinawatra 457 01 Latvia LMT 247 01 Int + 371 256 2191 Lebanon Libancell 415 03 Cellis 415 01 Lesotho Vodacom 651 01 Liechtenstein Natel-D 228 01 Lithuania Omnitel 246 01 Bite GSM 246 02 Int + 370 2 232323 Luxembourg P&T LUXGSM 270 01 Int + 352 4088 7088 Lybia Orbit Macao CTM 455 01 Int + 853 8913912 Macedonia PTT Makedonija 294 01 Madagascar Sacel * Madacom Malawi TNL 650 01 Malaysia Celcom 502 19 Maxis 502 12 Malta Telecell 278 01 Marocco O.N.P.T. 604 01 Int + 212 220 2828 Mauritius Cellplus 617 01 Int + 230 4335100 Monaco Itineris 208 01 Int + 33 1 44 62 14 81 SFR 208 10 Int + 33 1 44 16 20 16 Office des Telephones Mongolia MobiCom Mozambique Telecom de Mocambique Namibia MTC 649 01 Int + 264 81 121212 Netherlands PTT Netherlands 204 08 Int + 31 6 0106 Libertel 204 04 Int + 31 6 54 500100 New Caledonia Mobilis 546 01 New Zealand Bell South 530 01 Int + 64 9 357 5100 Nigeria EMIS Norway NetCom 242 02 Int + 47 92 00 01 68 TeleNor Mobil 242 01 Int + 47 22 78 15 00 Oman General Telecoms 422 02 Pakistan Mobilink 410 01 Int + 92 51 273971-7 Papua * Pacific 310 01 Philippines Globe Telecom 515 02 Int + 63 2 813 7720 Islacom 515 01 Int + 63 2 813 8618 Poland Plus GSM 260 01 Int + 48 22 607 16 01 ERA GSM 260 02 Portugal Telecel 268 01 Int + 351 931 1212 TMN 268 06 Int + 351 1 791 4474 Qatar Q-Net 427 01 Int +974-325333/400620 Romania MobiFon 226 01 Int + 40013022222 MobilRom 226 10 Int + 40012033333 Russia Mobile Tele... Moscow 250 01 Int + 7 095 915-7734 United Telecom Moscow NW GSM, St. Petersburg 250 02 Int + 7 812 528 4747 Dontelekom 250 ?? KB Impuls 250 ?? * JSC Siberian Cellular 250 ?? San Marino Omnitel 222 10 Int + 39 349 2000 190 Telecom Italia Mobile 222 01 Int + 39 339 9119 SaudiArabia Al Jawal 420 01 EAE 420 07 Senegal Sonatel 608 01 Seychelles SEZ SEYCEL 633 01 Serbia Singapore Singapore Telecom 525 01 Int + 65 738 0123 MobileOne 525 03 Slovak Rep Eurotel 231 02 Int + 421=20903 903 903 Globtel 231 01 Int + 421 905 905 905 Slovenia Mobitel 293 41 Int + 386 61 131 30 33 South Africa MTN 655 10 Int + 27 11 301 6000 Vodacom 655 01 Int + 27 82 111 Sri Lanka MTN Networks Pvt Ltd 413 02 Spain Airtel 214 01 Int + 34 07 123000 Telefonica Spain 214 07 Int + 34 09 100909 Sudan * Mobitel 634 01 Swaziland Sweden Comviq 240 07 Int + 46 586 686 10 Europolitan 240 08 Int + 46 708 22 22 22 Telia 240 01 Int + 46 771 91 03 50 Switzerland PTT Switzerland 228 01 Int + 41 46 05 64 64 Syria SYR MOBILE 417 09 Taiwan LDTA 466 92 Int + 886 2 321 1962 * Mobitai * TransAsia Tanzania Tritel 640 01 Thailand TH AIS GSM 520 01 Int + 66 2 299 6440 Total Access Comms 520 18 Tunisia Tunisian PTT Turkey Telsim 286 02 Int + 90 212 288 7850 Turkcell 286 01 Int + 90 800 211 0211 UAE UAE ETISALAT-G1 424 01 UAE ETISALAT-G2 424 02 Int + 971 4004 101 Uganda Celtel Cellular 641 01 Ukraine Mobile comms 255 01 Golden Telecom 255 05 Radio Systems Kyivstar JSC USA * Bell South 310 15 * Sprint Spectrum 310 02 * Voice Stream 310 26 * Aerial Comms. 310 31 * Omnipoint 310 16 * Powertel 310 27 * Wireless 2000 310 11 Uzbekistan * Daewoo GSM 434 04 * Coscom 434 05 Vatican Omnitel 222 10 Int + 39 349 2000 190 Telecom Italia Mobile 222 01 Int + 39 339 9119 Vietnam MTSC 452 01 DGPT 452 02 Yugoslavia * Mobile Telekom 220 01 Pro Monte Zaire African Telecom Net Zimbabwe NET*ONE 648 01 * Telecel Zimbabwe ------------------------------ From: Romain Fournols Subject: RE: Updated GSM-List 11/08/97 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:48:03 -0000 Dear Jurgen, Please note some mistakes in your list: Ivory Coast Ivoiris 612 03 Int + 225 23 90 00 Comstar 612 01 Int + 225 21 51 51 * Loteny Telecom 612 05 Int + 225 32 32 32 The network name of Loteny is Telecel. Customer care phone numbers: Belgium - Mobistar is +32 95 95 95 00 Lebanon - Cellis is +961 3 391 111 Fr.W.Indies Ameris is +590 93 27 47 Regards, Romain FOURNOLS Societe Ivoirienne de mobiles 11 BP 202, Abidjan 11, Cote d'Ivoire TEL (+225) 23 90 15 / GSM (+225) 07 90 15 FAX (+225) 23 90 11 Email : romain.fournols@fcr.france-telecom.fr ------------------------------ From: lwinson@bbs.cpcn.com (Lee Winson) Subject: Re: The Internet Will Swallow the Phone System Date: 14 Nov 1997 00:14:24 GMT Organization: The PACSIBM SIG BBS Well, this article boiled down to one key sentence: > So will Internet telephony. The capability of the Internet to carry > voice phone calls is limited now but likely to improve dramatically in > the near term. The author did not explain how this "capability" will improve. IMHO, the Internet can be described in terms of "store and forward", not direct connect. That is, your message is stored by your ISP, then packaged and routed. This can appear to be instantaneous, or as Dave Barry said, at the speed of the Division of Motor Vehicles. That won't work in voice communication. Also, the article said nothing about how individuals will connect to the Internet in the first place, and how ISPs will connect to each other. I don't see any substitute for providing the local loop plant and the basic switching infrastructure to support it. (And IMHO the problem in establishing local competition is not the existing Bell companies, but rather the demands of the new companies to be exempt in paying for the massive RBOC infrastructure, both hardware and software*.) For all the brave talk the new carriers claim, I really question if they'll have the capacity and business ability to truly handle EVERYTHING a telephone company must deal with. Will a new company want its service reps spending hours chasing down bad debts from customers the PUCs order them to have? To spend hours on the phone with confused Aunt Mabel over a 23c toll charge? Some of this talk, frankly, sounds to me like inexperienced computer engineers who have yet to experience the challenges of both maintaining a service network, under fire, in the face of changing conditions. Building a network on your own terms is relatively easy compared to running it smoothly. * My analogy to competition is this: Suppose you own a 7-11 convenience store. They'll tell you that a competitor is to open next door to you. You are told to let the new store use your driveway and parking lot. You are still responsible to light, maintain, and shovel snow from this parking lot. The new store doesn't have to worry about this, you do. Is this truly fair competition? [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: My thoughts on reading the original article was that the author was saying Internet would eventually absorb most or all of the long distance side of the telecom business. That is, after all, the most profitable part of it. Yes, there would still be the local loops, but companies like AT&T -- to name just an example -- would suffer financially quite a bit after the Internet as a voice carrier comes into wide use. PAT] ------------------------------ Subject: Re: The Internet Will Swallow the Phone System Reply-To: d.seyb@telesciences.com Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:15:27 -0500 From: Dan Seyb > In the meantime, please have a talk with your phone company. > Explain the Internet Way to them. If you explain it very slowly then > they might get it just before they go out of business.] This of course assumes you WANT your local phone monopoly to survive :) [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I am pretty sure the local monopoly will stay intact, even if not always a monopoly. Where the damage will be most obvious is in the long distance arena. I still say that some day in the future we are going to see news headlines saying AT&T has filed bankruptcy, and the pitiful little shell which remains is going out of business. You say that is unthinkable? Well, please recall that in the 1930-60 era no one ever dreamed Western Union would be virtually defunct by 1990. Most of us here, myself included, are too young to remember the *real* glory days of Western Union, when the company's name was on everyone's lips for one reason or another almost every day. By the time I was in my early twenties, WUTCO was already on a downward spiral. To their credit, like AT&T, they had **so much money** and so many resources they just kept holding on another quarter-century or so before finally dying. May I respectfully suggest that AT&T's downward spiral has begun ... their money, their name and their resources will keep them on the scene several more years before they finally reach the end. Just as WUTCO's demise came about in large part because it did not occur to them that everyone could be their own telegrapher; I suggest AT&T still refuses to believe that every ISP around today can be a long distance telephone company, and an inexpensive one at that. Now, no one is going to go around digging up the streets and laying cable as Bell did early this century and since they still own the local loop they'll be pretty safe even if not as complacent as in the past. No, it is AT&T/Sprint/MCI I fear for over the next couple decades as Internet phone becomes more and more common. PAT] ------------------------------ From: John Burke Subject: New Book: MS Active Platform Sourcebook Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 06:56:31 -0500 Organization: Bell Atlantic Internet Solutions Reply-To: jcburke@bellatlantic.net Wiley Computer Publishing has just published the book "Microsoft Active Platfrom Sourcebook", which is a good introduction to all of the Active Platform elements. It includes a chapter on DCOM. You can find more information, the Table of Contents, and an excerpt at: http://www.smartbooks.com/bw711msactvplatfm.htm I hope this is helpful. John Burke ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Updated Guide to North American Area Codes Wanted From: carr@tbolt.si.com (Thomas Peter Carr) Date: 13 Nov 97 17:28:04 GMT Organization: Smiths Industries The web page that I have been using to get this information is at: http://www.thedirectory.org/pref/ I can't remember where I got the link from, but it seems to be fairly up to date on the "splits". Thomas Peter Carr | I have a dream, ... carr_tom@si.com (Internet) | M L King Jr 08/28/63 616-241-8846 / 616-241-7533 FAX (Telephone) | Smiths Industries, MS 214; 4141 Eastern Avenue SE; Grand Rapids, MI 49518-8727 ------------------------------ From: Rishab Aiyer Ghosh Subject: Re: New York Times on Net Day Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 03:02:02 +-5-30 Derek Uttley wrote: > When there is a power failure, or an equipment failure, one may have to > rely on traditional methods. [i.e. pen and paper instead of computers, no matter how good your computer-aided english language learning experience; dave hughes' original comment elided] Perhaps Dave's students will write slowly in unclear block letters. But how good is _your_ italic caligraphy, anyway? I haven't seen too many people who can write anywhere near as beautifully as people did a century ago. but then, in 19th century London or Paris, there were several postal deliveries _daily_, and you did write a lot by hand. That's less necessary now, so you write less - or less carefully - and it looks worse. Similarly, handwriting will undoubtedly be even less useful a few decades from now, and under forced conditions people's writing will look even worse. If that sounds bad, you should advocate caligraphic italics today... I do, but i don' t have the time to practise, so there. rishab [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: When people today sometimes complain that students are not learning certain skills as in the past because some computer process has taken over the task instead, a common response by others is to say well, so what. These days we do not learn lots of the skills taught in the past because they are obsolete. Quite often the business of 'shoeing' horses is given as an example. Since we seldom have any need for horses these days in large urban areas, there is no reason to teach the trade of horseshoeing. All that is very fine, but my concern is that if no one knows how to do certain mathematical processes any longer because the computer now does all that for us, then what happens when some charlatan comes along and deliberatly corrupts the computer for whatver agenda of his own? Then what? Now there is no one left to prove whatever the computer is telling us is wrong because *no one knows it is wrong*. I see some very grave dangers in allowing the use of computers and calculators in school for anything other than helpful tools *once the lessons have been learned.* I certainly would not ban their use, but I would control their use. The students would learn to write, learn at least arithmetic if not some degree of higher mathematics. They would learn to build their vocabulary, how to spell and how to identify the way in which words are constructed and sentences are created. Then when I was assured the students were capable of thinking and reasoning on their own I would present them with the computer and carefully explain the computer's purpose: it is to be an extension of their brain; a tool to help them process their thoughts and information presented to them more rapidly and effeciently. An extension of their brain, not a replacement for it. Unfortunatly we seem to be headed in this latter direction. The risk involved in leaving the computer in charge of everything that we used to have to spend our time thinking about is that the computer has no way of knowing what is right and what is wrong. It accepts whatever it is told. If it is told that two plus two equals five it goes quite merrily on its way and parrots that answer each time it is asked. You or I upon hearing such a thing would scream loudly and say STOP! THAT IS WRONG! So what happens a century from now when the people on Earth at that time no longer know how to think for themselves because the computer does all of it for them? If you think there won't be a computer programmer or two along the way who deliberatly screws things up just for a big laugh or some other malicious reasons you are sadly mistaken. Maybe computers, like alcohol and cigarettes ought to be age-restricted to adults; people who are old enough they have been forced to think and use their brains at least a few times in their lives. Is there anything more pathetic than to go into an office full of people where the computer happens to be 'down' at the moment and all of them are just sitting there in a trance; no idea how to complete any of their work; no idea how to find answers to anything. Very, very sad. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Rich Courtney Subject: Re: CallerID Info Needed Date: 12 Nov 1997 23:19:33 GMT Organization: Norand Corporation The information that your modem presents may not contain the raw data sent by your telco. The fields normally sent include: date,time,number,name of caller. There are certain flag bytes that tell if private info is blocked. Most modem users will look at the number of caller and determine if to answer or not for security. If you need further info contact me. I will not have info on your modem so try their website first. I do have a program to generate callerid tones (scratchy data bursts) playable as a SoundBlaster WAV file. You may also check: http:www.semicon.mitel.com and look for app notes on the MT8841 chip. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Nov 1997 23:32:29 EST From: (Peter Capek) Subject: How Do I Learn My Default Long Distance Carrier? I recently tried using 1-700-555-4141 to determine the long distance company associated with a phone line, but the number seems to be invalid. The LEC's operator supervisor couldn't explain why -- she thought it should work -- but referred me to the business office. Did I miss something? Has this capability gone away or become obsolete, perhaps as side effect of local deregulation? Peter Capek [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: It should work; it is the number of record for that purpose on a national basis. I cannot say why it does not but I can tell you a work-around that you might try. On the line in question just dial 00 (double zero) and let it time out to a live operator. Ask her what company she with. Ask her what is the number for the business office of that company. That should get you a reliable answer. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Rishab Aiyer Ghosh Subject: Re: Mobile Phone Penetration Rate 39% In Finland Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 03:06:00 GMT kk@sci.fi (Kimmo Ketolainen +358 40 55555 08) wrote: > At the moment, the most inexpensive subscriptions for a mobile phone > cost 50 mk (10 USD) to open and require 20 mk (4 USD) as the monthly > fee. Is that flat-rate for unlimited usage? If not, what's the per-minute airtime usage charge? Incoming/Outgoing? -rishab The Indian Techonomist - http://dxm.org/techonomist/news/ The newsletter on India's information markets Editor and Publisher - Rishab Aiyer Ghosh (rishab@techonomist.dxm.org) Mobile +91 11 98110 14574; Fax +91 11 2209608; Tel +91 11 2454717 A4/204 Ekta Apts., 9 Indraprastha Extn, New Delhi 110092 INDIA ------------------------------ From: Richard W. Museums Subject: NY State Thruway Rockland County and MFS Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 05:30:56 -0800 Organization: Erol's Internet Services I saw that Metropolitan Fiber System is laying colored tubes along the West bound side of RT 87 in Rockland, does this mean Fiber is going to the suburbs now too? Richard ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V17 #314 ******************************