Subj : FidoNet total Revamp ... To : THEBUTLER4 From : Ross Cassell Date : Sat Jul 12 2008 09:35 am Hello THEBUTLER4! Real names please.. 11 Jul 08 23:00, you wrote to All: TH> I have been fighting to setup FidoNet for a while .. and I run into 2 TH> major problems ... 1) the Backbone.na file is screwed I am getting TH> mail from echos that are not listed in the backbone.na file Did you miss the updates yesterday? Do you have additional questions as to the meaning of each file? Do you have access to your uplinks areafix so that you can make sure you only receive echoes listed in the backbone.na, or did you merely turn on echoes with the "*" wildcard? TH> .. if TH> there is a change it needs to be changed everywhere and updated and TH> hatched out.. 2) the other region NA files have the echo tags but no TH> descriptions .. how are we to know what the damn echo tags are for??? As far as the North American Backbone files go, they are hatched out if a change is made or warranted, but they arent just for the sake of doing so if no new information needs dessiminating. As far as regional echoes go, it is not within the purview of the North American Backbone to update, maintain, much less distribute files that denote echo rosters pertinent to specific regions or even nets. If you have a complaint about regional echo lists, then that needs to be directed at the powers that be within your region. The North American Backbone and other backbones, have in the past distributed regional specific echoes as a service to its various links. What we have had happen as regional and zone level politics flared up in the past is links make available regional echoes to people not part of the pertinent region, therefore most regions have decided to limit distribution of their regional echoes to strictly within their regions and often directly by that regions RC. TH> another problem I(WE) are having is everyone is pulling from everyone TH> else .. If you have a NC in your area than people in that area should TH> be pulling from them .. not someone across the world .. I dont TH> understand this .. why would someone setup a FidoNet feed in one state TH> when there is a NC in that area? .. before setting up new feeds the NC TH> needs to check to see if there is a feed from a local NC ... That NC TH> needs to pull from there RC and etc. etc. ... As it turns out, many whom end up helping move the mail happen to be a coordinator. I am both a regional coordinator and a net coordinator, I happen to run a fairly sizeable mailhub and I peer with 3 others whom run sizeable mailhubs, 2 of them are regional and or net coordinators and the other is the zone coordinator. Alot of this came to be because we either inherited a outgoing RC's links when we attained the position or moving mail was what we were already doing when we attained the position. Other factors are that as Fidonet shrunk, so has the number of "volunteers". What you suggest may have been evident in the past and actually far more feasible during the days of telephone modem transport with the then high LD costs, but no more. If you want to talk about what should be, you shouldnt be using your administrative AKA (1:311/0) to send or receive echomail with, you should be using your primary non-administrative aka. I do know what has sparked this, you are the NC of a 2 man net, nothing wrong today with 2 man nets. Unknown to you, the other man in your net, sought and received a feed from my system and is using it. You a day or so later also applied to me for a feed, which is setup by the way, I happened to inform you of the link, but I suppose you had designs on him feeding from you.. TH> Why is FidoNet so laxed on this now a days .. it needs to be addressed TH> and fixed! TH> or am I just screwed in the head? Food for thought, if we were as strict and to the letter of policy, like we used to be, your 2 man net wouldnt be permissable. Also for further thought, under the old days, *C's were discouraged, often prohibited, from moving the mail. (Too many hats) The Internet has changed our landscape immensely, it has helped Fidonet in connecting nodes and transporting mail but it has also drained its numbers. Those whom refuse to change, cannot survive, by this I mean, we here in Fidonet Zone One, changed our views in order to keep Fidonet as alive as it can be, make it tennable, you want to roll all this back to go back to the old ways? I hope your distress isnt because 1:311/2 decision to feed here? == Ross Fidonet Feeds Or Fidonet In Your Newsreader: http://www.easternstar.info E-mail: ross(at)cassell(dot)us | Blogs/Other Places: http://links.cassell.us .... Martin Luther King Jr, was a Republican! --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20060121 * Origin: The Eastern Star - Spartanburg, SC USA (1:123/456) .