Subj : IBM Developer's Toolbox To : Vitus Jensen From : David Noon Date : Mon Oct 09 2000 01:19 pm Hi Vitus, Replying to a message of Vitus Jensen to David Noon: VJ> 06.10.2000, David Noon wrote a message to All: DN>> Mine arrived today. It is much cheaper than the Developer Connection DN>> programme was at the Enterprise level. DN>> The presentation of the CD's is much nicer, with a leather [or vinyl DN>> leatherette?] case to hold the dozens of CD's. VJ> Huh, a new case and a complete set of CDs? I've just got the magazine VJ> (subscription was DevCon Advanced and is now xxxx). I received a stack of CD's and the case, as well as the magazine. I was also on Dev Con Advanced, but renewed at the Enterprise level. However, the subscription for Dev Toolbox was only UKP135, whereas Dev Con Enterprise was UKP731. [Prices exclude VAT.] It is not really that much better, but it is much cheaper. DN>> By the time I have installed it all, using Netscape, the next edition DN>> will be out. VJ> They do an installation on hard disk? Great. The catalogue does not install onto a hard disk, unlike the original, pre-Netscape Dev Con. There is a hard-copy catalogue inside the vinyl/leather case, though. VJ> I hated to search first VJ> for the CD with the master cataloge (they do not always had a writing VJ> on it...), open the cataloge with Netscape, search an interesting VJ> item/product/documentation, search the CD with the item, open a VJ> commandline to install the product, goto start. I have a Nakamichi CD-changer installed in this box, so I can have 5 CD's on-line simultaneously. VJ> Not to mention that my machine locked up two or more times in VJ> the process when I tried to use the Java cataloge. Thank you IBM for VJ> the wonderfull DevCon 2. I can't think of a way to make the VJ> thing more useless. Well, the Web was the word when Dev Con 2 was formulated. You had to look at it from the product manager's point of view: anything that didn't require a bloated browser was legacy technology. VJ> And you say the Developer Toolbox is much better now? I guess it's "better" in a Microsoft way: it looks nicer, but the contents are still much the same. VJ> I'm looking forward to receive the CDs... Well, there are plenty of them. They even include a mainframe [see origin line] version of DB2 V6.1, just like I use at work. Regards Dave --- FleetStreet 1.25.1 * Origin: My other computer is an IBM S/390 (2:257/609.5) .