Subj : is the main stream intern To : Richard Menedetter From : Bbsing Bbs Date : Thu Aug 17 2017 07:18 am -=> Richard Menedetter wrote to Orbitman <=- Richard, I do see your points for sure. I see things a little different because I am looking at this a little differently lately. Seeing content and hearing young people discuss what they see, when I view the internet as a tool for information the likes I've never had access to as a child. I see some of these young poeople wasting this access away due to content being provided to them that is far more stimulating than content they should be seeking. Cost to product content like those really interesting documentaries is so much more expensive than costs of many main stream media, and the return on investment is the primary driver. Some educational content just doesn't provide the same level of monetary return as sexually, and fashion, in-vogue products. RM> Hi Orbitman! RM> 09 Aug 2017 19:02, from Orbitman -> Bbsing Bbs: Or> The general public is certainly dumbed down by the internet, Or> especially since it's at one's fingertips. RM> Is it dumbed down by the Internet or by the general public? Its a bit of both. The mega corps are perverting it to make available mostly content that is dumbing down its users, to insure they continue to gain profits. Its like feeding your kids coolaid. You are feeding them water, and other components, they can if they want remove the other components from the water to purify it, if you showed them how, provided the tools, told them were to get them, or showed them many other things, but since you profit a bit from this coolaid action you don't have a desire to highlight how to provide just the water. If they want it you charge them the cost in profits you would have otherwise obtained if you sold them coolaid. Now you create a emerging markets and profit from water purification packets, starting with just info, not real tools, ...etc continuing to make a market for your next demographic you are actually in control of. RM> I think you are looking at it from the wrong side. RM> Same with TV, if you constantly watch Big Brother or Fox News, it is RM> your fault. RM> You could watch a documentary about Particle Physics instead. RM> If there is no market for Big Brother, they would not show it. Some people have no idea there is other things out there. Documentaries are usually paid for by the viewer whereas Fox News is free for everyone and widely distributed. RM> But that is NOT the fault of the TV, but of the general public. TV is not to blame, but if you remove it some symptoms resulting from its use also go away. Those who are allowed to broadcast on specific channels certainly don't force you to watch, but you can't broadcast on their channels without corps and govs coming at you, nor can you reshape their broadcast to be healthier. RM> Nobody forces the general public to look at Facebook. RM> They could as well download an EBook from Descartes, or some scientific RM> paper and read that. Think back to the time of Descartes, and how scientists had been subverted by mainstream media, so they would not publish or express scientific advancements for fear of death by the mainstream organizations of their time. This is similar to the kind of thing happening now, but it a way more sophisticated way. RM> It is NOT the Internets fault that people do not do that very often. RM> They COULD do it, if they wanted to. Some can, and do, but others just don't know how to. RM> So the question we need to ask ourselves is why are they not motivated RM> to do so? RM this is a great question and why in part I got this discussion started. Or> In my view, technology is supposed to "help" humans do their jobs Or> faster and easier, NOT do their jobs for them. A computer is a tool, Or> like a hammer or screwdriver. RM> Exactly, and that tool was never better and more versatile than ever! RM> You just need to make use of it! Many tools are used in a way they shouldn't be used. There are many rules now preventing all of us from circumventing the current design of these tools we are using. Or> Productivity is certainly affected to the negative...as most would Or> rather be on social media than working. RM> Is that the fault of "the Internet" or the fault of the people? Ultimately we should blame people, not the internet. The internet is not nature, its designed by people, groups of people, and redesigned, as well as the tools used to design it. When we talk about the internet and people we are talking about them together combined as creators of it and users of it. There is a dominate group with far greater ability to create and control the internet, tools, and flow of information right now compared with the mass of people using it. This is similarly being echoed from current governments and corps, how they desire to control the very thing that people want for good. They don't care about it the way we users do because they see it as a profit machine and they can afford all aspects of its output. RM> CU, Ricsi RM> --- GoldED+/LNX RM> * Origin: Anarchists of the world - UNITE!! (2:310/31) .... ...::comptech power up::... :)bbsing(: --- MultiMail/Linux v0.49 * Origin: Electronic Warfare BBS | telnet:\\bbs.ewbbs.net (1:227/201) .