Subj : Re: What happened?
To   : Kurt Weiske
From : Charles Pierson
Date : Mon Nov 16 2020 01:21 pm

Hello, Kurt Weiske.
On 11/16/20 10:12 AM you wrote:

 CP>> New software, new hardware, new technology, new program 
 CP>> languages, someone somewhere would try it, and see if it could be 
 CP>> adapted for our community.  Sometimes it works, sometimes it 
 CP>> doesn't. But ordinarily people gave it a chance to see how it 
 CP>> worked out, offering suggestions they thought might make it 
 CP>> better.
 KW>  See my other echomail for my thoughts.

I have and have replied to it.
 
 CP>> Now it seems that people are more stuck in the idea that new is a 
 CP>> bad thing.  You try something new, or even express an idea of 
 CP>> something new, people's reaction is "why?"
 KW>  I think you're missing my point. New isn't bad, but there's a 
 KW> quality  to Fidonet messaging that is missing in the Telegram 
 KW> side.

My message wasn't pointed towards anyone in particular, or even specifically about Telegram.
I totally understand your point. I've pointed out things that are different between the two, and I think Stas is doing a decent job of implementing things into his bot to address them as he is able to.

There are, unfortunately some differences between the two technologies that simply can't be addressed. 

Ultimately, it will come down to a matter of can they be close enough, and can those ultilizing Telegram do so in the spirit of Fidonet messages.
 
 CP>> It's like people think something new will somehow invalidate 
 CP>> almost 40 years of BBS history.  Instead, I would hope that they 
 CP>> could see that it's a celebration of that history, and showing 
 CP>> that it is still relevant in the modern world, and very much 
 CP>> still has something to offer.
 KW>  I don't agree, and I like the idea of opening Fidonet messaging  
 KW> through other means, like web interfaces and Telegram. I want to  
 KW> see it done in a way that preserves the qualities that make 
 KW> Fidonet  messaging unique and it'll all be well. Otherwise, why 
 KW> bother?

I agree. And hopefully Telegram can get there. 

I would hope that much of what you see in messages that doesn't meet that is simply people trying features out, and what doesn't work for Fidonet will go away.
 

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