Subj : Re: 2022 FTSC Standing Member Election - Votes Received
To   : Dan Clough
From : John Dovey
Date : Sat Mar 12 2022 12:16 pm


 DC> -=> Shaun Buzza wrote to Dan Clough <=-

 DC>>  SB> There is a reason that real-world politics count abstentions
 DC>>  SB> along with yes and no votes. It has to be a majority vote; the
 DC>>  SB> majority of *all* votes, including abstentions, must be either
 DC>>  SB> yes or no.

 DC>> This is not correct, at least for elections that I'm familiar with,
 DC>> in the USA.  We count *ONLY* YES votes.  You do not need a majority
 DC>> of all votes, you simply need more YES votes than the number of YES
 DC>> votes that your opponent gets.  That's it.  There are no NO votes, and
 DC>> there are millions of abstentions, which just means.... nothing.

 SB>> Um, wouldn't a vote for your opponent automatically be a vote
 SB>> against you, or a 'no'? Just sayin...

 DC> Well, in effect it would be, sort of.  But, that wasn't the point.  I 
 DC> was debating your claim that in real-world politics, "no" votes and 
 DC> abstentions are counted.  They are not, because there *ARE* no "no" 
 DC> votes.  When I look at my election ballot, I can choose to vote for 
 DC> *ONE* candidate, which is a "yes" vote.  There is no choice to pencil in 
 DC> for a "no" vote.  It is NOT a majority vote to win an election.  It is 
 DC> simply a matter of getting more YES votes than your opponent(s).  Which 
 DC> is what I said there above...

 I ha e a question, are spoilt ballots not reported in the US?

The way I see the election, there are X number of RC's in the nodelist. Y number have sent in a vote of whatever sort. That's a simple percentage of who had voted and who hasn't. it has nothing to do with abstentions


Then if someone votes. they have the three candidates listed and vote either yes or no for two of them. the tied one listed with no vote recorded is an abstention.


Listing the yes, no and abstentions is easy enough. it would be purely for information as the rules are clear. only yes and no voted count. 

JD
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