Subj : Test Reply
To   : deon
From : Accession
Date : Sun Nov 30 2025 10:02 pm

Hey deon!

On Mon, 01 Dec 2025 11:49:12 +1100, you wrote:

 >> Should clrghouz be modifying the tosser ID of the original message?

 > IMHO, yes.

 > The PID represent the source program that created the message - and
 > should only be added by the source.

I believe the next person to write a test message had clrghouz in the PID, and Mystic BBS in the TID. So I guess I'm still confused as to what's going on.

 > The TID represents the tosser that put the message into network, and
 > should be changed by the tosser sending the message on.

So, let's say the message is duped back into the network, and people down the line are trying to track down who and what software caused this problem. If every tosser that processes that message changes the TID, you would never be able to track it back to the original tosser that put the message into the network.

 > (Well thats how I interpret it).
 > http://ftsc.org/docs/fsc-0046.005

I see what you're saying, with this paragraph:

    When a Conference Mail processor adds a TID to a message, it may not
    add a PID. An existing TID should, however, be replaced. TIDs follow
    the same format used for PIDs, as explained above.

Although, I'm not sure if/when it should be replaced, since you are just passing along a message that is already "echomail" that had already left the originating system's local message base, where THAT tosser was the one that converted the local message to echomail (as described in the paragraph before the one I pasted here).

 > So, the TID from the source to clrghouz (which clrghouz quotes in its
 > reply, would be that of the origin [to clrghouz]).

 > The TID downstream (uplinks and other downlinks from clrghouz) would
 > have clrghouz's ID in it, because it changed the message (normally
 > adding additional SEEN-BYs and PATH).

Every tosser a single message passes through adds additional SEEN-BYs and PATHs, but I don't see any other tosser changing the TID or PID kludges. *shrug*

 > I'm going to use these values to build up some stats to see if it can
 > show who uses what...

Sure, but after said message passes through 10 other systems after yours (just an example), while none of those other systems change those kludges, it would probably be assumed that the message originated from clrghouz, which is incorrect.

Eh well, what do I know.

Regards,
Nick

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