Subj : Re: BBSing opportunties To : Avon From : Vk3jed Date : Sun Dec 19 2021 07:30 pm -=> On 12-19-21 14:49, Avon wrote to Atreyu <=- Av> My concern is around how to build communications resilience. When we Av> look back at the way POTS modems and calls over landlines worked, yep Av> the time to get a message from A to B and a reply back was longer. But Av> I wonder if the overall resilience of the communication was better? Not necessarily. The old systems were, by necessity, hierarchical, and had many built in SPOFs - hubs, etc. Rerouting was a manual operation that took a bit of coordinating over the phone. Today, redundant feeds and virtual networks are easy to spin up, and the software is (mostly) better at handling these new topologies. Av> Now that we rely on the Internet to be the bridge between nodes and the Av> backbone of FTN style networks (and many other networks) I fear we have Av> lost a lot of the means to be resilient should a bad actor(s) come Av> along and hobble a city or country by taking down its Internet Av> connectivity. :( For me, POTS is out (that uss the Internet too). Locally, a "community mesh network" using LoRa devices might be a possible solution. These have good range and the efficiency of BBS data transfers is ideally suited to this medium. But for longer distances, things get more challenging. If only we had a QO-100 like satellite over our side of the world. Av> How best to get packets around a country or between countries without Av> an Internet to carry them? <-- open question for anyone really... Short distance LoRa mesh (Meshtastic and similar networks), longer distances - limited options (especially legal ones), the US DoD will go after us if we use their sats. :D .... A fool with a tool is a well-equipped fool === MultiMail/Win v0.52 --- SBBSecho 3.10-Linux * Origin: Freeway BBS Bendigo,Australia freeway.apana.org.au (21:1/109) .