Subj : Re: Queen City BBS Power Issues To : Gamgee From : tenser Date : Fri Aug 09 2024 06:49 pm On 08 Aug 2024 at 11:57a, Gamgee pondered and said... Ga> It's important enough to me simply to prevent hardware damage or Ga> software corruption due to a power outage. It that isn't important to Ga> you, that's fine. Not sure why you're so offended. UPSes are not perfect; they fail. Sometimes in pretty spectacular fashion. People I've worked with who had previously done IT support in corporate environments recommended against using them because, at scale, the failure rate was high enough and the risk of damage with a failed UPS greater than without one at all, that in net they were a negative. Sometimes the cure is worse than the disease; YMMV. Ga> Th> Mine also doesn't sit on a UPS. If it goes down.. its down.. Ga> Th> this isn't an ISP with thousands of clients PAYING for service, its a Ga> Th> toy. Ga> Ga> Yours may be a toy. Let's be honest, here: they're all toys. Failure to recognize that, and the, er, "passion" that assumed is one of the big reasons BBSes tanked once the Internet became generally available. No one liked dealing with the overly inflated senses of self-importance from BBS people who didn't understand that, yes, it's a hobby. Ga> Some BBS operators (like me), who are Ga> hubs/coordinators for FTN message networks, *DO* have other systems Ga> relying on a stable uplink. "Relying" is probably a bit of an exaggeration in this day and age. Ga> Are they PAYING? No. Can/should they have Ga> an expectation of reliability upstream? Yes. Probably the best way to get reliability for hobby operators is to move the infrastructure onto a VPS in the cloud, basically eliminating hardware failure from the risk matrix. Look, it's fine to recommend that someone use a UPS. But doubling down when someone tells you they don't need it is a bit much, na? --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 (Linux/64) * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101) .