Subj : Re: Tutorial for rookies
To   : tenser
From : N1uro
Date : Thu Oct 14 2021 03:02 pm

I'm going to scope this waaaaay down as it's too long.

-=> tenser wrote to N1uro <=-

 N1> You asked for bugtracking on software that I neither maintain or own.
 N1> You doubt me, you doubt Marius. In my eyes that displays hatred.

 te> That's absurd.

Which is absurd? The fact that you said that you don't believe me or that
by saying such could be considered hatred by the receiving party? Saying that
you don't believe someone is one half step away from calling them a flat-out
liar which I did not do. I even invited you to fact-check my claims. I make 
plenty of mistakes so by fact-checking my claims about bugs would have easily
put that to rest. 

 te> Note also that I never said I doubted Marius.

You said something to the effect that you didn't believe me that Marius
submitted anything since you did not see it. Perhaps later on you did.

 N1> You've been drilling me on this issue and what the bugs are about to
 N1> which I don't own nor maintain the projects at hand.

 te> This ignores the context of this entire thread.

What the initial person asked about maybe, it's gone on too long now.

 te> A self-admitted "rookie" asked for assistance and you started
 te> talking about bugs in the Linux AX.25 stack.  I asked you what
 te> those bugs were.  That somehow seemed to offend you.  

Not at all. How or what reason would it be to offend me about someone else's
bugs? I think what you may have detected in my words were that I did not have
a complete list of them, and that it's really not my place or position to speak
for someone else. That's one problem with ascii text - it loses the emotion
behind the words.

 te> You've
 te> been going on and on about how it would be irresponsible for
 te> those bugs to be publicly tracked, while simultaneously pointing
 te> at a public mailing list to get information about them, which
 te> is itself contradictory and makes no sense.

How is it contradictory? HOW to execute an exploit on a ham box should never
be published. The fact a bug may exist is fine. Maybe I wasn't quite clear in
my wordings which would definitely be my fault for doing that. No one knows
if a bug or patch was done if it's not posted in a mailing list somewhere
in regards to vanilla ax.25 (which you don't seem to use so you wouldn't know).
I see where the confusion is... and it's on both sides.

 te> But it's curious that you have yanked it from the public sourceforge
 te> repository due to bugs _outside_ of your software that you now
 te> claim you have nothing to do with.

I said why. I don't think a repeat is necessary.

 te> If you have nothing to do with it, then why isn't your stuff publicly
 te> available?  If you care deeply about problems in Linux being fixed
 te> before you allow your software in the open again, then why aren't
 te> you tracking the status of those bugs?

That's what you're not quite clear about. There is no bug tracking software
available for the 3rd party software. I do keep tabs on the status of fixes
however. Ralf can't confirm any bugs (which is actually typical) but said
to one of the LinFBB coders that he'd look at the patch from Marius that
we've all been using that seems to fix the stale socket bug. As long as there
is forward motion I'm pleased... however he's seemed to have gone stale on
the issue to which I'm hoping others will pop on linux-hams and query Ralf
on this. 

I'm quite grateful you seem pretty concerned about the availability
of my projects on SourceForge. Rest assured they are back.

 te> Perhaps this entire thing could have been avoided if you'd merely
 te> said, "I'm not tracking those things."

When I said that the software in question I had nothing to do with, that
included "I'm not tracking those things". I had thought you had understood
that. Why would I track software bugs that aren't mine? Why would you track
my software bugs if I had them especially since you don't use it? If Ralf
or anyone else wishes to have their personal bug tracking system available
to the world, that's up to them and not for me to say.

 te> The only issue I have is what I listed above.

I hope I have successfully answered any questions or resolved issues you may
have. I'm a bit confused since you don't seem to care about ax.25 why ask
about it to begin with but that's basically a moot issue at this point.
(yes that last sentence was rhetorical in nature).
 
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