Subj : Re: New to this To : boraxman From : Gamgee Date : Fri Apr 18 2025 10:21 pm -=> boraxman wrote to Dmxrob <=- Dm> Where I am, St. Louis, Missouri, houses can START at 350k - and anything Dm> below that is a dump. You want something decent be prepared to shell out Dm> at least 400-500k. That is absolute ridiulousness and nobody can afford Dm> that. Rents are no different. Rental prices are $1800+ a month - on Dm> places that I very well remember used to be $250 a month. Well, some people can afford that, or the prices would be lower because nobody would rent/buy. Right? Dm> Telling young people to just "watch their finances" and such isn't the Dm> solution. I know plenty of young folks who work and sleep, spend next to Dm> nothing on outside activities, and are still scrimping. How many jobs Dm> should they get to afford to eat and keep the rain off their heads? One thing that many of them may need is more education, in order to get higher paying jobs. Dm> It's a huge crisis and the orange felon we elected President isn't doing Dm> anything but making it worse. Let's keep politics out of it, eh? bo> My mum is a Boomer, and she said people can just "Scrimp and Save" like bo> she did. I asked her how long it took to pay off the mortgage. We bo> grew up in a decent suburb. The house wasn't a palace, but decent bo> enough standard middle class suburban house, not too far from bo> everything. She responded "5 years". bo> Keep in mind that neither of my parents finished school, so they bo> weren't professionals on high salary, nor did they pick up skills. bo> Just entry level jobs. Five years... She said she had help. Even bo> then... Keep in mind, she had me when she was 22, and must have paid bo> the house off before turning 30. Imagine being able to pay off a bo> house, near good jobs, in your 20s, while supporting 2-3 children. bo> I did the math, and compared MY salary with the price of the house that bo> sold across the road from her. I'm a working professional, a Manager, bo> and if I put 100% of my salary, 100% of it, I'd pay it off on 10. She bo> would have had no hope at all buying a house today, with the kind of bo> work she and my dad did. I did the math in front of her, and well, I'm bo> not sure the penny sunk... bo> The problem is that many just don't understand how things have changed. Ahhhhh! You may have hit the nail on the head here! Of course things have changed. Yes. Things have changed. So.......... in order to succeed, we must change too! Nothing new about that. It's the way the world works. Lamenting about how bad it is now doesn't actually help anything. Those that succeed are those that change with the times. IMHO higher education is the key to success today. bo> Its a completely different. The bigger issue is that people are bo> putting off having children, which is having a detrimental demographic bo> impact. This is quite serious Certainly true about children being delayed. Not sure that has a whole lot of bearing on what we're talking about. bo> Anyway, I've ranted enough. I just think this issue is even bigger bo> than most people think it is. It is indeed a big issue, and a good conversation. .... All the easy problems have been solved. === MultiMail/Linux v0.52 --- SBBSecho 3.23-Linux * Origin: Palantir * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL * (21:2/138) .