Subj : encrypted email providers
To   : tallship
From : Oli
Date : Tue Jun 01 2021 09:11 am

tallship wrote (2021-05-31):

 t> On 20 May 2021, Oli said the following...
 p>>> Here are a few supposed private/encrypted email providers that
 p>>> offer f mailboxes (as well as paid plans of course):

 Ol>> It doesn't matter that much. Most of emails conversations aren't
 Ol>> encrypted anyway. If you want an encrypted inbox, just retrieve
 Ol>> mails from the (webmail provider's) server and encrypt it at home.
 Ol>> Use a mail client or browser plugin for PGP.


 t> I have a slightly different take on it.

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 t> 2.) I recommend Matrix - you can run your own Synapse matrix server if you
 t> like, it's pretty straight-forward, and a couple of good clients for both
 t> desktop and Android are SchildeChat and Element.

None of my friends use Matrix.

 t> XMPP is good too if you're using OMEMO, on Android, Conversations or
 t> Conv6sations are good clients, and you have a lot of choices for desktop
 t> clients. I personally prefer Gajim.

Even fewer people use XMPP.

 t> I really don't care much for Signal, it leaks too much metadata, such as
 t> your DID (always) and it also shows when the remote party has displayed
 t> the message on their device.

What is DID?

Signal shows when a message has been received. It also tells you when a contact in your phone book joins Signal. It's very convenient, but it would be better if also could be disabled (maybe it's possible).

 t> Plus, it's not distributed - it's set up as
 t> a silo, although there's no reason why that really has to be, other than
 t> the forked project became unmaintained when Moxie expressed his disdain
 t> for others repurposing his clients to use with other forks of Signal.

Federation also leaks metadata to third parties, which is not of any convenience for the user and not transparent.

 t> I also recommend that people run their own email servers -
 t> SMTP/IMAP/OpenDKIM/SpamAssasin/etc. The combo I like is Postfix with
 t> Dovecot. I do realize, however, that email is a complete mess to set up
 t> correctly out of the box nowadays, so you should have someone who is good
 t> at it do the install :) With DKIM, DMARC, SPF blah blah blah... Yah,
 t> nightmare, but once you set it up it's a dream to host your own domain's
 t> email services.

Maybe in 30 years, when nobody uses Email anymore we can run retro Email without the bullshit of big webmail providers. They basically killed the selfhosted mail server.

 t> I don't think that using TOR lends itself to a respectible business
 t> impression, so I would definitely advise against it in the commonplace
 t> business world of communications - other than that of course... it
 t> freakin' rocks!

that's why I wrote:

 Ol>> For really private stuff use p2p FTN Netmail over Tor Onion Service
                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^
 Ol>> ;).

.... with an irony smiley.



Telehash was a nice project for a p2p messaging network by the guy who invented jabber (and others). Unfortunately it seems to be dead (domain grabbed, no new commits on github).

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