Subj : RE: Cabal
To   : Oli
From : NuSkooler
Date : Fri Jan 01 2021 10:29 pm


On Saturday, January 2nd Oli muttered...
 Ol> New chat/messaging systems come and go while the world has settled for 
 Ol> slack, whatsapp, wechat, telegram, discord for the next couple of years. 
 Ol> No open p2p chat was ever successful and most p2p chats never addressed 
 Ol> the problem with power consumption on mobile devices. Is text chat still 
 Ol> a thing or is it all video conferences nowadays? ;)

Not exactly the audience here. A number of us are on those, but clearly we're all using other 'non-standard' / non-mainstream systems. I have Cabal experimentally hooked up on Xibabla - users don't need to know/care that it's "Cabal", just that it works.


On Saturday, January 2nd Oli said...
 Ol> I think the cabal encryption is completely stupid. If you have the key, 
 Ol> you have access to all messages in the channel (if any of the 
 Ol> participants is still online)

Uh, you literally just described every single symetric key system. If you have the key, you can get in. Yes. That's how keys work. If I post the key to *anything* then "oops".

Twas Saturday, January 2nd when Oli said...
 Ol> other p2p chat software before (IMO). I also don't understand how Cabal 
 Ol> is IRC like. IRC has all kind of permissions and offers public and 
 Ol> non-public list of channels.

I can see you didn't try it or read their docs. Ther are channels, (decentralized) channel mods, so on.


On Saturday, January 2nd Oli muttered...
 Ol> How would you join cabal, if you don't have 
 Ol> exchanged a key/URL by other means?

Not sure what this is asking. You wouldn't. You need the key to get in, that's the point.

Twas Saturday, January 2nd when Oli said...
 Ol> A fully decentralized chat system that works for everyone with e2e 
 Ol> encryption and useful features would be nice. 

....but that's what this is.

On Saturday, January 2nd Oli muttered...
 Ol> (Telehash (by the creator of XMPP) looked really interesting, but it's 
 Ol> missing an implementation and seems to be abandoned).

Yep



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