Subj : Russian humour To : alexander koryagin From : Lee Lofaso Date : Thu Aug 29 2024 05:25 pm Hello Alexander, ak>>> Russian generals and Putin didn't plan to fight at all. They had ak>>> an illusion that Ukraine army would support them in dismissing ak>>> those who came to power in 2014. WD>> You know something? I'm agreeing with you... it was the first WD>> mistake... I mean by the Russian military. ak> Do you know, to make a boat rocked and overturned it's necessary to have two ak> foolish fighters in it. One beats the other and the other beats the one. Cajuns know better, and always make room for alligator in pirogue. And also keep paddle in hand in case of emergency. ak> Russian military hoped for quick result and wide support within ak> Ukraine; Russian military got quick result. Just not the result expected. And the wide support within Ukraine was enormous. ak> Ukrainian nationalists has been inclined to fight until the end ak> without concessions, and the bowels wind made their main brains to ak> believe that NATO will fight on their side. Cajuns were here before there was a USA. What gave France, and Spain, and the USA the right to invade our land and make it their own? Ukraine is an independent and sovereign state. It is recognized by the international community as such. The same as the USA. So what gives Russia, or China, or India, or any other country, the right to invade their land and make it their own? ak> Not Ukrainians to be military puppets for NATO in fighting with Russia under ak> the encouraging shouts from the European viewing stand. Ukraine is not a member state of NATO. 32 other countries are. But not Ukraine. But I do like the idea. In fact, Sweden liked it so much that it has signed up. And so did Finland, which used to be a part of the USSR at one time. Good gosh, wouldn't that be the day when Russia joins the club? ak> It was a mistake from Russian side, but there it doesn't mean that there ak> were not any ways to avoid the war in Ukraine. The easiest, and best way, was never to have crossed the line. Had the border been honored and respected, all would have been peaceful and no war would ever have taken place. ak> It is true that an agreement had been almost reached in Istanbul in the 2022 ak> spring but Boris Johnson had made all he could to persuade Zelensky to ak> fight. Vladimir Putin never raised any objection to Ukraine's status as an independent and sovereign state - until he decided to invade Ukraine (first in 2014 and later in 2022). As such, Putin can never be trusted as a man of his word. He says whatever is convenient, with hopes to get what he wants. ak> It was also his mistake, in his arrogance towards Russia and viewing the ak> situation inadequately (although he could not think in other way). Johnson was more show than substance. A Winston Churchill wannabe. ak> In short, people who wanted this war were more numerous than those who ak> wanted to prevent it. The graveyards are filling up in Russia. And the widows are growing much more numerous. How much longer will it take for the inevitable to happen? WD>> So here we are now in the 3rd year of a conflict which Ukraine WD>> cannot win and Russia cannot lose. Which doesn't mean Ukraine is WD>> losing and Russia is winning... ak> Looking at the mistakes taken, people must understand a simple thing - ak> those easy bloodless solutions that were before the current bloodshed ak> are not available now. If you squeezed out tooth paste from the tube you ak> cannot put it back. And every bad decision on both sides have its price ak> which must be paid. Putin is like a gorilla with its hand stuck into a hole in the ground trying to hold on to a coconut. He can't let it go even while it is being captured and put into a cage. The same could be said about the other gorilla. But since Putin was the first gorilla to stick its hand in the hole in the ground it is all Putin's fault. If only a peaceful solution could be found. For all sides. A peaceful solution, with justice for all. ak> When an operating system is ruined you can restore it with a saved ak> backup. It cannot be applied to Ukraine of course, but people now must ak> clearly to see and understand the real point of the crash in 2014. Russia invaded Crimea (a part of Ukraine) in 2014. This was phase one of a planned full-scale invasion of Ukraine. ak> And they will see a real picture -- the Ukraine divided in two ak> irreconcilable parts. The international community recognizes one united Ukraine, which includes the region of Crimea, as well as all other regions. ak> So the only viable solution is to separate these two parts and make peace. Real solution: Russian military leaves all areas of Ukraine. ak> It has been done in Yugoslavia, it can be done in Ukraine. Ukraine is not what was formerly Yugoslavia. Ukraine is not a collection of different countries. Ukraine is not part one country and part another country. Ukraine is not a country that can be taken apart, piece by piece, by any other country. Ukraine is one country, one people. Whose people can, and do, speak multiple languages. ak> If the USA and NATO would had started to arm Croats and Muslims against ak> Serbs in Yugoslavia that war would not have ended. You do realize how things turned out. Kosovans were so happy they built a giant statue of Bill Clinton for all to see. I have no idea if he has ever visited his likeness. But I wouldn't doubt it if he has. NATO just dropped a few bombs to get Serbia to submit. First time in history no troops were needed to win. ak> But understanding that Yugoslavia cannot be saved as it was helped to make ak> peace. Slobo made peace with his maker and was never tried for his crimes. Djoko is at peace with having just won a gold medal at the Olympics and is now ready to take on all comers at the US Open ... For Life, Lee -- GOP thinks banning guns won't elminate guns. GOP thinks banning abortion will elininate abortions. --- MesNews/1.08.05.00-gb * Origin: news://eljaco.se:4119 (2:203/2) .