Subj : SBBS/W32 Kermit SABOTAGE To : KERMIT SUPPORTERS From : MICHEL SAMSON Date : Tue Oct 12 2004 02:37 pm Hi everyone, About "SBBS/W32 Kermit setup" of October 12 (which should be titled "SBBS/W32 Kermit SABOTAGE" by now): MS> My name has been associated with it... ...it's called SABOTAGE... RS> I didn't "make" you do anything. Heck, I didn't even *ask* you... MR> I had a big problem... Your response was "well it works here!" MS> ...re-read the whole thread, starting from my very 1st post... RS> ...the problem is the settings on the "sending" side... Two SysOps did bet on Rob's "experience". This experiment on their account only contributes to what i'm calling negative re-inforcement so, i move it must be time for a better planed test-bench, for a change! :> RS> ...I can't fix something I can't reproduce. HyperTerminal uploads RS> just fine to both Synchronet-Win32 and Synchronet-Unix settings... How noble! Rob is ready to reproduce more failures, as long as the experiment remains his own. Oh, and he forgot i warned about using some 3rd-party clients with archaic pre-1985 `Kermit' support, at that! %-b, Well, the goal behind `Kermit' is UNIVERSALITY, not to prove how it should be possible to improve Rob's configuration. `HyperTerminal' will NOT give optimum cps figures, `Zap-O-Com' is much more suitable (despite the still relatively limited `Kermit' packet-size)! Hummm... But i did explain it all already. %-( Since i got a complete record, here it is: http://public.sogetel.net/bicephale/Vert-801.QWK.ZIP (284 Kb) There was a lot of noise on `OverNet' but the justifications can be found throughout the turmoil, i don't need to endure this torture again. Oh, and speaking of torture... People who appreciate controversial stuff should notice that Rob now brings back to life an extinct thread i was part of in the `FdN_Linux-BBS' echo, such reading can be found here: http://fidonet.sensationcontent.com/echomail/linux_bbs/ Guess what, Rob Swindell wrote to Maurice Kinal a while ago, it was titled "Kermit (Oh no not again)"... To him, my "Kermit Evangelism" is, euh... "kinda weird". %-b, Well, put `Kermit.INI' and `HyperTerminal' in the balance, with my late related posts and `Vert-801.QWK.ZIP' on the other side, euh... I begin to wonder which of evangelism or sabotage is doing the most damage to an already dying hobby! What a go Rob, if your cards are good all efforts may go unoticed, `Kermit' should face hostile preconceptions because of its apparent failures on `SBBS' and there just won't be a good reason to keep ~TelNet~ BBSes alive since files transfer is such a hasle! Don't fix it once and for all, let it fail forever?... RS> If Michael would remove... ...high-lighting the exact settings that RS> are different from mine... ...I'd be happy to integrate them. Spoken like a true Borg (and he doesn't even watch `Star Trek')! I suppose it's too much asking that he respects my real name by the way... RS> The remaining hundred or so lines in Michael's configuration file RS> have nothing to do with transfering files. Bad memory seems to serve him, the extraneous "kruft" resulted from a few Trials-and-Errors spread over years of *FRUSTRATING* "cooperation" with SysOps (too demanding for my taste sometimes)... Blind interfacing between `SBBS' & `MS-kermit' won't satisfy me: i'd attempt to establish meaningful features without giving up on proper Error Traping - in order to prevent False Message-Pointer UpDates, Hanged Sessions, etc... Right now, no reasonable SysOp should agree to expose his BBS by giving credit to *FLAWED* setups like Rob's and i must warn the BBSers against it too. This isn't promoting `Kermit', much less UNIVERSALITY. I call this SABOTAGE since anyone who got into trouble because of such short-sighted experience can only perpetuate `Kermit' preconceptions and never want to use it again! He seems proud of that "achievement" but i don't see why. RS> ...there's a better chance for an FTP server in space than a BBS. Check it out, try to sit back and relax while reading this article: http://www.spacedaily.com/news/iss-03zq.html There may be no BBS in space but `MS-Kermit' has been there indeed. Salutations, Michel Samson a/s Bicephale .... Rob's SBBS/Kermit: spend spare-time just to prove he might be wrong --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.45 - Trying to make TelNet OLMR BBSing UNIVERSAL * Origin: BBS Networks @ www.bbsnets.com 808-839-6036 (1:10/345) .