Subj : Re: A Better WHO IS ONLINE To : All From : RICK WAGNER Date : Thu Jan 31 2019 07:10 pm Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:07:27 -0400 From: RICK WAGNER To: HECTOR SANTOS Subject: Re: A Better WHO IS ONLINE Newsgroups: win.server.wish.list Message-ID: <1162228047.33.1161759224@winserver.com> References: <1161759224.33.1161708088@winserver.com> X-WcMsg-Attr: Rcvd X-Mailer: Wildcat! Interactive Net Server v7.0.454.5 Lines: 125 Understood... but as others in the world use things like MySpace, or Hi5 or other free services, it's important to remember that this kind of competition is what deteriorates what's left of the original BBS community... I love the fact that I have the ability to manage and limit my WinServer clubs.. But the ability to record a Location, or a Birthday can be helpful instead of just a UserID and a Password. The ability for Authenticated users to view other members profiles without having to hunt or beg for that info is helpful and sadly, even though there were WCX add on apps for that like Dynamic Registry, or things like that, they no longer work, and the author's no longer exist to permit registration of their apps. I love the ability to have an "All In One" system for mail, web, listserve and not have to spend countless $$$ and time to set each system up.. But right now, the biggest competitions out there like Yahoo Groups, or Google Groups deter people from building their own community systems even though most can do this with dynamic DNS resolution and simple DSL service such as that offered by http://www.no-ip.com/ And yes, there are other competitors out there similar to WinServer offerings such as EzFileShare http://www.sharing-file.com/ for a mere $49.95 which does ok but lacks true email abilities or files.bbs configuration. Yes, I've run this too to manage my files but I prefer Winserver because I can organize new files and library grouping better. Still, since more and more are using DSL and DHCP assigned IP addresses, I guess it's important to convey to others that there is a way to still create a service such as winserver beyond just being stuck with static IP addresses. Even voice over IP companies like Vonage or SunRocket have to deal with this kind of stuff these days. But the kicker here, is to convey to the potential customer that he doesn't have to spend megabucks for static connectivity like T1's or such and by being able to show the client this it might be a way to resurect the old BBS philosophy once again. Here's an example of WinServer usage... You obviously know what a pain in the butt is is to set up a PPP connection with a modem so that laptop workers can dial into the home office. Laptop workers that don't want to spend money for internet service providers that they only use a couple times a week... But using a Winserver and having a Navigator connection they can just fire up their modem and gain internet access momentarily. Now, suppose the Host Winserver was also using something like SunRocket or Vonage.. Imagine how this could significantly reduce monthly costs but allow this needed technology. The average joe, could be a host, over a Cable Modem or a plain old DSL line and still have a very well defined business outreach. Or how about the old Echomail concept brought into the next level where my Winserver and your winserver could manage unified groups identical on both geographical sides of the planet... I can offer my TX people cheap dial-up, and the the guy in CA can do the same.. and yeah I know you know all about the echomail concept since you did lots of work with it as well as my partner Wynn Wagner. It was a way to eliminate the high cost of staying in touch. ---------- Today, the Yahoo and Google group club concept is ok but, it's becomes more appealing to "Takers" not "Givers"... The owner of the group posts files for others to take down,, but there's no way to encourage others to upload and shave their creations. Yahoo Groups has also eliminated their online Chat Rooms forcing the group owner to go elsewhere like http://www.spinchat.com/ to incorporate this kind of feature. So I guess the big question is in order to build a useful community group, do I need to go out to Yahoo and build a group there, and then spinchat and build a chatroom there, and then someplace else to host the HTML and so on and so on.. or do I go out to Santronics and get me a Winserver that can do it all?? The ability to have this one server assume several identities is also good. You can have a Cooking group, a Programing group or a Health Related group and each is a living legacy different from the other.. A library that can contain and store historical data and not force the Grourmet Chefs to wade through geeky computer program junk that is better suited to geeks not chefs.. But wait, let's take it one step further... Since the internet is the world's largest online library, what can be done to allow search spiders to record certain file areas, but not the entire system? And if the user finds one of these links on Google how can we show them a screen saying "...you can view this free file but you need to establish a login account first.." Why, so the hosting person has a bread crumb trail of who's reading his documents about the ingredients used to make crystal methe and know that it's not being posted on some kinky "Make your own drugs" website. Yes, we always need some level of control.. Even back in the old BBS days we had BBS's that listed how to make your own pipe bomb and this will always be an abusive issue. Just as the spamers have used the power of the net to sell Viagra and other crap by cloaking their true identity. There will always be someone out there pondering a "get rich quick scheme" Sad but true.. There will always be grown adults hunting to sexualy abuse kids but by knowing and planing this kind of negative stuff it doesn't have to condemn or punish the entire human race either. Winserver has lots of abilities that you can capitalize on... Heck, mine is running on a WiFi Sonly Laptop with thousands of organized files in my library but the best part is that the community of users not only suck and download these files, but they share and upload their own special gems enabling the knowledge-base to continually grow. I know life in Florida is different than life in Texas but having the ability to convey these things allows club members to see beyond a simple narrow-minded vision. And as a hobbiest, and a well-known artist, this is key. But enough of this jabber, I have to get some work done.. I can only hope that maybe some of what I've said enlightens you a bit.. There's a lot of non-geek people out there like my mom who's lucky to even hunt and peck on a keyboard.. but this same person had the artistic ability to do *all* of the floral arrangements for my little brother's wedding ceremony this Friday. So she's a floral geek not a Compu-Geek.. but imagine if there was a Winserver based Floral Geek club she could hunt and peck her way to and figure out the best place to buy her supplies or find others who could teach her tricks to save time and money. And not just spending hours doing search after search through Google. Best of all, if she wanted to come up with her own web page, this Floral Geek winserver might even have a way for her to build her own advertising page for some pocketchange on the site. On 10/25/06 2:46 AM, HECTOR SANTOS wrote to RICK WAGNER: - -> -> .....Not so clean and elegant with the WEB equivalent and using non-persistent -> connections. -> -> The details are too complex and old to go over again, but let me just state -> the new version pays a lot of attention to making it common and consistent, -> for example, how a bad name lookup is checked. The TEXT version was -> different than the WEB version when it checked for valid characters in a -> new user name. That is now a COMMON logic between the WEB and TEXT mode. -> :-) -> -> --- -> HLS -> -> --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.1 * Origin: Prison Board BBS Mesquite Tx //telnet.RDFIG.NET www. (1:124/5013) .