Subj : Bink under WIN-XP To : Mike Tripp From : Peter Knapper Date : Mon May 03 2004 10:54 am Hi Mike, PK> It seems Laptop manufactureres are being PUSHED by M$ into an PK> environment where there is no native SERIAL port on their PK> machines. If a user wants one of those, they have to install a PK> PCMCIA card serial port. The apparent reason for this is that USB PK> is now seen by M$ for all serial type connections (and forget all PK> existing serial port H/W out there today!). MT> The push (and design) of USB has come from an industry consortium of MT> hardware vendors...not some M$ conspiracy. 9 and 25-pin serial ports, MT> parallel printer ports, AT- and PS/2-style keyboard MT> ports and mouse ports are all royalty bearing, patented MT> designs of IBM and each vendor must have some MT> arrangement with IBM in order to provide them. The DB-9 and DB-25 Serial connectors, and the Centronics Parallel printer connector have nothing to do with IBM, the are hardware standards that existed long before IBM used them on the PC. The AT & PS/2 connectors however are all IBM. MT> If anything, waiting for MS to provide MT> proper functional OS support for USB devices has done MT> more to slow the adoption rate than accelerate it. The MT> hardware has been around since the Win95/NT4 generation MT> of MS OS. Bill is just making sure he makes enough profit from it. My main issue is the huge no. of existing environments that still need FULLY FUNCTIONAL Serial support, not just with the connector, but with the capability that the interface provides. The problem comes from component integration, rather than physical design issues, in their hurry to bring out "comparabile" devices, they leave out certain critical elements of the overall interface. I have been involved in discussions regarding exactly WHAT Laptop H/W is able to provide the functionality required to various support groups, and the picture being built is not pretty, mainly because the control signals need to be emulated where the H/W does not exist to drive them natively. So far the generation of a CORRECT (and some times varible length) BREAK signal seems to be the main show stopper, to many it has been forgotten... Cheers.........pk. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Another Good Point About OS/2 (3:772/1.10) .