Subj : BINKP over TLS To : Alexey Fayans From : Oli Date : Thu Dec 19 2019 07:38 am AF> I've already expressed my ideas, but here's a summary: AF> 1. STARTTLS is the best option because: How do you encrypt the metadata that is sent on connection? Can STARTTLS negotiated before node infos are sent? Will this add another roundtrip? Direct TLS will give us a quick path to QUIC, which would reduce connection times instead of making the protocol slower. AF> 2. For any kind of TLS something must be decided on certificate AF> authority. Or don't us a CA. There is DANE, TOFU and we still have the encrypted session password for authentication ... * Origin: kakistocracy (2:280/464.47) .