Subj : Re: C.P. Addition: Isabel de Gressenhall, wife of William de
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From : Andrew Lancaster
Date : Wed Sep 05 2018 03:01 pm

From: Andrew Lancaster <lancaster.boon@gmail.com>

That is a good observation Douglas, so that might indeed be where Blomefiel=
d got his second William fitz Roger from, although I see nothing in that ch=
arter which implies that this was not simply the first William fitz Roger (=
Wm son of Roger son of Wimer)?

Isabel was heiress to the Wimer or Gressenhall family, if we can call it on=
e of those names, but the charters show that this family had a lot of men a=
ppearing in charters in the 12th century, and while we luckily have several=
 mentions of relationships, we have very few that are dated.

When Osmund de Stuteville and Isabel made a charter listing a whole series =
of predecessors whose charters they wanted to reconfirm  (Castle Acre chart=
er XIII Monasticon Anglicanum) they are in this sequence: 

1. Wimarus senescallus de Gressinghale, [FWIW mostly the word dapifer seems=
 to have been used for his position in the charters.]

2. et Rogerus filius ejus, [Charter VII is his for example, where the witne=
ss list includes Walterio fratre meo.]

3. et Walterus filius Wimari, [Presumably the one in VII, but also 2 genera=
tions later in X and XII where he also has an adult son William. So he was =
alive when Roger fitz William was making charters, even if older. This migh=
t be another indication that the period when the first William and second R=
oger were dapifers went relatively quickly. I don't see any sign that he wa=
s ever dapifer?]

4. et Wilielmus filius Rogeri, 

5. et Rogerus filius Wilielmi [FWIW in charter XII he names a brother Willi=
am.]

6. et Drogo frater ejus, [Charter IX is by Drogo filius Willielmi dapiferi =
de Gressinghale, who separately calls his father "Willielmus dapifer". So w=
as Drogo ever a dapifer or was he just describing himself based on his fath=
er's job description? And was he definitely Roger's brother or could he hav=
e been William's?]

7. et Berengarius de Cressi

Berengar is thought to be Isabel's first husband and the list looks intende=
d to be chronological.

Best Regards
Andrew

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