Subj : Polling - Still not a solution To : rick christian From : mark lewis Date : Tue Oct 25 2016 02:23 pm 25 Oct 16 13:01, you wrote to Jeff Smith: rc> When I am using a computer for LEARNING then maybe I want the code, in rc> THIS CASE, fidonet.. I couldn't care less. rc> I want to install the stuff, do the setup of the config files, and get rc> on with things. I don't care about the code. rc> If I have an issue I will file a bug report, the author fixes it, rc> release a new versions, makes DEBS, I pull the DEBS and update... rc> done. Rinse repeat. while i tend to agree with some of your statements, it should be pointed out that installaing from a package is one thing but when that package has bugs that have already been fixed years ago, then filing a bug report is not the proper thing to do... especially since some packages lag several years behind... especially when the maintainers have fixed the particular bug you may be filing a report against... no one is asking you to care about the code... many of us don't care about it, either... one reason why we compile our own binaries is specifically to stay up with the current bug fixes to ensure they are fixed as well as possibly finding new ones and reporting them for repair... so down to the choice of installing buggy binaries from a package because it is easy yet brings complaints and drives up our stress levels about the bugs OR quickly compiling from the sources plus the minor dealings with getting the few -dev libraries installed? i'll take compiling from source any day of the week /specifically/ because it keeps my daily rant/rage level down as i'm not having to deal with those known and long fixed bugs on top of the daily stresses that may already be borderline postal level... i'm certainly not a C/C++ guy and i definitely do not dance to the tune of makefiles but even i was able to figure out how to acquire and compile the necessary husky, golded and binkd stuff... hell, binkd was the easiest one of all... the husky stuff was a bit of a twist because of having to build X before Y finally followed by Z but the information is there and i had it done in a short hour or two and without going postal on anyone... it doesn't take very much to blur over a step written in a conversational tone or to simply miss something mentioned at the top of the given steps... we all know how easy it is to miss a typo numerous times until someone sticks our nose in it ;) )\/(ark Always Mount a Scratch Monkey Do you manage your own servers? If you are not running an IDS/IPS yer doin' it wrong... .... A good sense humor cures almost all of life's ills. --- * Origin: (1:3634/12.73) .