Subj : Polling - Still not a solution To : Jeff Smith From : rick christian Date : Tue Oct 25 2016 01:01 pm On 10/21/2016 08:56 PM, Jeff Smith -> Rick Christian wrote: , period. JS> Compiling one's own software can indeed sometimes involve more work and JS> effort. But I simply look at it as a learning curve that will increase You and I are in this for different reasons. Why do I use Linux? 1) F-R-E-E, and that word has only ONE MEANING, no cost! 2) It is basically back to doing things the way I've done them most of my life via computers.. CLI. Yes I have tons of stuff running in X too, but I eschewed GUI's when they long had taken over the DOS world until I ran into something that forced my hand. As soon as possible I switched back to Linux, that was 20 years ago. Things that do NOT MATTER to me in Linux 1) CODE 2) Uptight agendas like DFSG over things like MP3 etc.. When I am using a computer for LEARNING then maybe I want the code, in THIS CASE, fidonet.. I couldn't care less. I want to install the stuff, do the setup of the config files, and get on with things. I don't care about the code. If I have an issue I will file a bug report, the author fixes it, release a new versions, makes DEBS, I pull the DEBS and update... done. Rinse repeat. In THIS PARTICULAR case we are NOT IN A LEARNING MODE. This is install stuff get my task done, ie: send/receive Fidonet stuff. Linux to succeed on the average desktop needs to find better ways to distribute software.. DEBS are one of them. Your view on things I've dealt with for a long time in the Linux world, and well I am not interested in the code, I never will be. It also, personally, one of the big problems holding back Linux adoption en masse. I kicked out windumber from my department.. Servers to desktops. Cubeville uses LTSP setups. There is not a windumber setup anywhere. I took all that savings and bought more and better hardware for the LTSP servers, desktops, etc... Others don't get why we don't have the issues with systems that wilt over time, etc.. Oh.. and all those documents for office work, float around just fine. We default to the ODx versions, but can ingest and then resave to the proper format. We taught our people to export for the unwashed masses And in the case of several pieces of this.. the steps to compile it are lacking... Example: husky I looked at it and found that the steps that listed in the documentation are not correct, how? 1) Leave out libs that are needed 2) Steps to compile it are out of order How did I find that out??? Failure to compile and a post about it. If the instructions to compile are not complete then there is no chance to complete the task... Simpling include accurate instructions on how to compile.. if grab tar, tar -xvf superapcakge, cd superpackage, magic 3 works, great! IF NOT then include that hey you need to do this sudo apt-get install libs libs libs morelibs.... etc.. This is no different than including accurate documentation on using the software. And no don't tell me man pages are the end all to documentation! They are often written like blah blah blah.. Sure if you wrote the software they make sense..Thats why I have NON PROGRAMMERS write documentation for stuff. I have a group of persons used to test things... I take their input and mold software to it, this mostly stuff in php/ECMAScript/SQL things like the interface, locations etc... Things they change versus the way I designed them, make no sense to ME. To the USERS its seems to make a big deal in using the stuff.. ie: Right versus left for location of something. Again if I were in a learning mode on maybe writing FTN software I might/would need/want the code... I am not in THIS CASE. I want to install stuff and get on with using it. And compiling is not some right of passage to use an OS or a computer. We are past that! The 70's are over! I post this several times... YOU might be an expert in C and compiling.. Well I am an expert in SQL and RF systems. So we are on different views of this.. If you have something along the lines of : Hey, I tried to compile this too! And I found you need to do: apt-get install lib1 lib2 lib3 Then do compile via magic 3 If you are just here to berate me for not being interested in the code and deeper inner workings of that code and the OS.. well then I am not sure what the point is... Thanks! * Origin: news://news.wpusa.dynip.com | acct req'd to post (1:3634/12) .