Subj : Polling - Still not a solution To : Rick Christian From : Jeff Smith Date : Fri Oct 21 2016 06:56 pm Hello Rick, > On 10/18/2016 09:36 PM, mark lewis -> rick christian wrote: >> that's my first comment, too... i mean really... compiling stuff isn't >> that hard on *nix stuffings these days... sure, you may not like it >> because of problems you've run into in the past but still. > Sorry, but that is NOT MY EXPERIENCE... > Compiling is a PITA, period. Compiling one's own software can indeed sometimes involve more work and effort. But I simply look at it as a learning curve that will increase my abilities to have software that I run to work/run the way that I choose and since I am compiling it myself I can decide what capabilities I choose to include. > I've gotten it to work ONCE, and ONCE only because detailed instructions > were posted that listed what you REALLY NEEDED to compile it.. not just > this grab TAR, ./configure... MAGIC.. run it... I agree that it is usually easier to simply follow specified directions. But I have also found that I learn and understand less if I simply follow directions versus doing some of the work myself. > I've been there done it.. 99.999% it is never that simple... WHEREAS > apt-get install binkd works... I have installed BinkD both running Windows as well as Linux. Using "apt-get" in Linux is a simple and quick way of install software. Which I have done many times. But it also doesn't as easily afford an individual the choice of tailoring the software to one's individual needs and desires. It also often times doesn't provide a choice of a particular version that is desired. > Software distribution on Linux/*Nix/BSD is its major downfall... All this > reliance on share libs needs to go! With dynamically linked libraries, if a particular library that you have linked is not available at the users system, the code crashes with the user wondering. But, in the case of static libraries everything is incorporated into the executable, so one is less likely to have the above specified problem, but the executable however will be quite a bit larger. But, if the required libraries are dynamically linked the above problem could be eliminated. > Static compile it so all you need is some simple install stuff.. > Download the zip, unzip to /usr/bin/ possibly chmod +x and move on! But as I stated above one is less likely to know how things work or have the software run the way it is desired if one chooses to use packages that are "Pre-made". >> .. once >> everything is in place and properly referenced, compiling it is nothing >> compared to setting up a FTN system from scratch... for example >> absolutely... once the proper libraries are in place, compiling stuff is >> nothing... > You've just proven my point! > All too often this is just grab the TAR, ./confire..... DONE! When I chose to move to Linux as an OS I did so with the understanding that I would need to know more about the requirements of the OS and the software that would be used. > BZZT!!!! The instructions fail to list that you need... dorqlib-dev, > dorqlib, anotherlib-dev.. etc...SO all you get is a pile of error crap, > and nothing compiles. > If COMPLETE AND FULL instructions are posted then it may work to compile.. > the instructions I've seen or more aptly the LACK OF INSTRUCTIONS to get > most of this to compile are deafening... Again... It boils down to a decision of whether one simply desires to simply follow directions. Or, if one chooses to know and understand. I think it is a given that the reality is never the way one wishes it to be. Jeff --- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Dada-2 * Origin: The OuijaBoard - Anoka, MN (1:282/1031) .