Subj : Re: FTelnet Y-Modem G
To   : T.J. Mcmillen
From : Ryan Fantus
Date : Fri Dec 09 2022 04:30 pm

 TM> Didn't know there anything to make sense for?  It started in 2003, and 
 TM> released ever ver inbetween.   If you goto the offical RG website of 
 TM> www.rgbbs.info, you'll find them all there and in order in which they
 TM> were  released.

So I've stayed out of the conversation til now but feel compelled to respond a bit here. I don't use Synchronet /or/ Renegade and don't have a dog in this specific fight, but...where's the history file? A comprehensive whatsnew or what differentiates one version to the next? Unless you're a Renegade diehard, I don't see many people walking up and looking at RG as an option without understanding what's happening with each release. It's pretty black box. Just my $.02.

 TM> Why would I make BBS setup with doors and everything else?  So some dumb
 TM> ass  can unzip it and put it online?  No.  This hobby was NEVER meant to
 TM> be that  and I refuse to give into morons that refuse to learn.  Just
 TM> like those stupid mystic youtube videos.  Seriously?  If you can't setup
 TM> the BBS software from  the docs, YOU DO NOT NEED TO RUN ONE because you
 TM> do not understand it at all!

This hobby is whatever someone wants it to be. This is very gatekeeper-ish. There are many cool BBSes online that leverage some more modern technology. And the Mystic YouTube videos democratized FTN.

I rebuilt a car engine with the help of YouTube. No purists yelled at me about doing it wrong since I didn't sit there with a howto manual printed in black and white.

BBSing is still very niche but it's also a thing that has moved on a bit for many people, and that's ok. I don't think it's appropriate to maintain a BBS software and then claim everyone else is doing it wrong simply because they do things differently. This is a hot take, but that's pretty immature IMO.

 TM> Third, how many retards run their BBS in the cloud?   That is STUPID. 
 TM> If you  don't want to put the time in, the money, the hardware, get out
 TM> of the hobby.  Oh hi, I run a BBS it's at blah blah blah, I log in every
 TM> 5 weeks and see if  the VM on my cloudhost I PAY stupid amounts of money
 TM> for is still working or  even STILL there.

How many people let the internet into their home firewall because they want to run a DOS BBS? If you ask me, /THAT/ is what's retarded. I travel for work a lot and run everything in the cloud because I'm not 14 sitting in my parents' basement waiting for someone to dial into my BBS.

Furthermore, with all this gatekeeperism, I sure hope you only serve dialup, because using something as modern as TCP/IP is not what BBSes were intended for!

Anyway I don't intend to go back and forth and/or fight about this stuff, I just felt compelled to call out the immaturity and gatekeeping here. Yeah, you're talking to jas, but you're posting on a forum with other people, and your general attitude here is one that makes me scratch my head.

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