Subj : ARRL Requests Expanded HF To : Daryl Stout From : Ed Vance Date : Sat Mar 10 2018 11:34 am 03-07-18 13:02 Daryl Stout wrote to ED VANCE about ARRL Requests Expanded HF Howdy! Daryl, DS> @MSGID: <5AA05D7C.1785.amtradio@capitolcityonline.net> EV>Howdy! Daryl, DS> Hi, Ed... EV>I can't remember but back in 1959 when I took and passed the Technician EV>Exam to keep my Call Sign active, I'm thinking I took a Morse Code Test EV>before I took the written portion of the Exam. DS> Correct. When the FCC was administering the exams, you HAD to PASS DS> the CW test FIRST -- or you were dismissed from the session, WITHOUT DS> being allowed to do the written exam. Hey!, Thanks!!!!, I like being correct once in a while, instead of being corrected all the time. Sorry about the Typo on Your Name in another Reply. At least now You know I don't use a Script that makes the second line in a Reply, only the first line is made by settings I have in MultiMail. EV>I can't remember ever taking a test for a Amateur Radio Operators License EV>without writing some code down first. DS> In the U.S. and its territories, the 13 and 20 wpm CW exams...plus DS> the issuing of new Novice and Advanced Class licenses, were STOPPED on DS> April 15, 2000. Holders of the Novice and Advanced Class licenses could DS> renew them at the appropriate time. The 5 wpm CW exam (the last one), DS> was eliminated on Feb. 23, 2007. Now, people are learning CW because DS> they *WANT* to...and NOT because they *HAVE* to. Last year I tried a Search on DuckDuckGo.com to learn about what You said about Vibroplex getting lots of orders for Bugs, but couldn't find a link to anything like that. Would You have a URL about people recently learning CW because they *WANT* to? ? ??? ??? ? ? ^ | --- in case You were wondering, I'm using Question Marks instead of Periods and Dashes for the Morse Code symbol for a Question Mark. EV>But I may be wrong, I have - many many many times B4 been wrong. EV>And 60+/- years is a long period so I could be mistaken about the CW test. DS> Or like a T-shirt I saw once..."I may not always be right...but, I'm DS> never wrong" (hi hi). That saying doesn't apply to me. EV>For someone with a Expired Amateur Extra ticket that Element 2 sounds EV>STUPID (to Me). DS> Well, there was concern that with a lapsed license, having to get DS> back on without taking a test, was "stupid". The FCC determined that DS> passing the Technician exam was sufficient enough that they had the DS> basic knowledge of items needed. They now require answering "the basic My reason for thinking it was stupid is that the VEC Organization is asking a Ham who's License expired to complete a exam for a Class of License LOWER than the one the Ham had taken for the HIGHER Class License. DS> character qualification question" on the NCVEC Form 605...answering Yes DS> or No, on whether they have been convicted of a felony, in state or DS> federal court. A YES answer is NOT an automatic disqualification...it DS> depends on the circumstances. Yet, the examinee has to send to the FCC, DS> all required documentation, etc. to the FCC within 14 days of the exam DS> session, or the license grant is dismissed...as if they had never taken DS> an exam. I'm thinking on the FCC Form 610 I sent to them asking for the Novice Exam papers back in the Summer of 1958 asked that question about being convicted of a felony. I went to the QTH of a General Class Ham I met in High School to take the CW Test and passed it. He wasn't old enough to witness my as I took the Written part so I asked the Mother of another friend if She would sign on the 610 that She witnessed me taking the Written Test. She said O.K. and watched as I took the Novice Written Test. Some weeks later I got a letter from the F.C.C. with the KN4ZIQ License in it. EV>I Passed the CW portion, Flunked the Written portion, walked out with a EV>Temporary Advance Class License until the F.C.C. sent the License to me EV>in the Mail. DS> When I first got my license in 1991, there was no FCC ULS. I took the DS> test on Field Day Weekend, and it was the second week of August before DS> my ticket and callsign arrived in the mail. Now, with the FCC ULS, you DS> can get it in as little as 1 to 2 weeks...although I saw one fast DS> turnaround...the ham passed Elements 2, 3, and 4 (Technician, General, DS> and Amateur Extra) in one session. The exam session was on a DS> Saturday...his callsign was in the database the following Wednesday!! Computers do Paper Shuffeling faster that a Clerk can do it at the F.C.C. Office, don't they? ? ??? ??? ? ? EV>There were lots of things in the Amateur Extra exam I took that I had EV>no idea about. DS> I learned how to tell where the voltage was leading or lagging the DS> current, and that's all I remember. That is one I didn't know, I would guess the Voltage Leads the Current, otherwise the Current wouldn't have anything to cause it to flow. DUH!!!!!!!!!!! EV>I never took another Ham Exam. DS> Every year when I do my rent recertification, they ask me if I'm a DS> student. I reply "the only exams I do now are giving ham radio license DS> exams...and undergoing medical exams and procedures". Along that line, DS> I'm getting a "two-fer"...an EGD (upper GI) and a colonoscopy (lower DS> GI) on Friday the 13th of April. It'll be "lucky" for me, in that: DS> 1) I'm long overdue for both -- it has been over 3 years. -snip- 3 years is about the same time span as the Doctor that does mine has Me come to see Him. 73 de Ed W9ODR . . .... 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