Subj : Re: Democrat Protesters To : Lee Lofaso From : Dan Cross Date : Tue Jun 09 2020 09:32 am On 08 Jun 2020 at 03:16p, Lee Lofaso pondered and said... LL> >You're just a sanctimonious douche. Trump LL> >asked for 10,000 active duty troops and got LL> >shouted down by Milley. LL> LL> General Milley took an oath to defend the Constitution LL> of the United States, yet refused to do so, as shown by LL> his actions. Trump might have told Milley, "Take a walk with me." That, in itself, was not an illegal order. What should be have done differently? That doesn't mean that Milley sanctioned using police to clear out that park. That doesn't mean Milley supported sending in active duty troops, as we know he didn't. Milley has to walk a fine line of reigning in Trump and keeping politics out of the military. Get off your high horse. You make assumptions about things you don't know and act like others who don't make those same assumptions are complicit with your imagined wrong-doings. LL> General Mark Milley, decked out in combat fatigues, marched LL> lock-step with Donald Trump to the church as orders were given LL> for National Guard to open fire on peaceful protesters (mostly LL> women and children, along with clergy). Did Donald Trump fire LL> General Milley after he wrote a memo and said a few words? LL> Nope. General Milley is still Trump's guy. As if nothing has LL> happened to spoil their fine relationship. What a guy! Milley has no real authority over the guard in this case. That's on the governors. He's wearing fatigues because that's the uniform of the day. You DO realize I find Trump's use of force to clear Lafayette Park repugnant, right? You DO realize I abhor his perversion of the guard for a cheap photo op, right? You're not only preaching to the choir, the spittle flying from your frothing mouth is hitting me in the face. LL> Rather than defending the Constitution of the United States, LL> the thing to do is to support and defend the president! LL> After all, the president doesn't care about the Constitution LL> of the United States, as shown by his hatred of "we the people." You're so convinced of your interpretation that you can't see how you could even possibly be misreading the situation. LL> >Esper got slapped down by the chiefs, which is why you don't LL> >see troops confronted with the awful choice of potentially starting a cou LL> > by disobeying illegal orders. LL> LL> Like your dear friend Milley, Esper also took an oath to defend LL> the Constitution of the United States rather than the president. Indeed. And Esper came out against this. Milley shouted down Trump in a meeting. Now the guard is being pulled from DC. The generals won this one. What would you have rather been done? They through a hissy fit like you and get sacked until Trump finds some asshole willing to do what he wants? Or they exert pressure behinds the scenes and stave off a coup until the election? You can't see the bigger picture. LL> But like Milley, he chose to do nothing to stop the president LL> from having his way in going to war against the American people. He literally shouted him down in a meeting. Trump wanted 10,000 active duty troops to flood DC and Milley told him to fuck off. LL> So, by your lights it is perfectly okay for Americans to kill LL> other Americans, as they would only be "following orders" of a LL> president gone mad. That line of defense did not work out so LL> well for Germans who were prosecuted at Nuremburg. I wonder how LL> well that defense will work out for those who followed the illegal LL> orders of their commander-in-chief? Fuck off you sanctimonious douche. How dare you accuse me of supporting this asshole or his idiotic abuse of the military. Pull the tree out of your ass and act like an adult for a minute: what Trump is doing is far from ok. But blinding falling on our swords isn't going to do anyone any favors and will only make the situation orders of magnitude worse. LL> General Honor‚ (who also took the same oath as you) had the good LL> sense not to obey the illegal orders given to him by Governor "Bobby" LL> Jindal, who wanted National Guardsmen to use live ammo to kill young LL> black boys who were looting department stores in New Orleans. Talk LL> about a helluva price to pay for stealing shoes, wouldn't you say? Apples and oranges. LL> Back to the crowd at St. John's church - LL> You know as well as I do that nobody in that crowd deserved to be LL> shot by rubber bullets, pepper spray, or tear gas. It was a peaceful LL> protest, allowed under our US Constitution, and your fine president LL> and fellow officers could have cared less. They did what they did LL> because the US Constitution means nothing to them. And peoples lives LL> mean even less. Hey asshole, point out where I ever said that anyone in that crowd deserved what happened to them? Go ahead, I'll wait. That's your misinterpretation because you're so goddamn drunk on your own faux moral superiority and love to hear yourself talk that you never stop to see if people are agreeing with you. I bet you're just the life of the parties you go to. On the other hand, you seem to think it's funny to joke about having COVID-19. Is that because you don't care about the 100,000 Americans who have died because your fine president couldn't be bothered to get off the golf course and deal with the pandemic like a real leader? LL> Black Lives Matter. To all of us. Not just to blacks. You say that, but your jokes about COVID-19 betray a different viewpoint. You obviously don't care, because COVID-19 has disproportionately affected black and minority communities and you seem to think it's fine material for a joke. You and your president should go golfing together, you obviously have a lot in common. Members of the latinx community are also hard hit; do you still think your joke was appropriate? How about kids in cages in concentration camps? Do you approve of that, too? I mean, your president does. He also jokes about COVID-19, I'm sure. LL> We the people have a Constitutional right to exercise *all* freedoms LL> noted. You might want to take some time and actually read what the US LL> Constitution says, including all the amendments. So are you going to show up at one of those reopening protests without a mask and with a gun like the other right-wing nutjobs? You clearly don't care about BLM and you clearly don't take COVID-19 very seriously, so you'd probably fit right in. LL> You can start with the Preamble and go from there. It should not LL> take you long to finish, as the US Constitution is less than 5,000 LL> words total (including amendments). Can I borrow your pocket constitution, or did you leave it at the bird refugee with the other right-wingers? LL> It doesn't take much to understand that murder is murder. LL> I condemn *all* acts of violence. So should you, and everyone LL> else. Then why do you joke about COVID-19? LL> A huge orange grin smiling at ya. Seems like you support him based on what you do. --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/05/28 (Windows/32) * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (3:770/100) .