Subj : Re: Travel Ban? To : Dan Cross From : Daniel Date : Sat Jun 06 2020 12:23 pm -=> Dan Cross wrote to Daniel <=- DC> On 04 Jun 2020 at 10:08p, Daniel pondered and said... Da> DC> It's just a convenient link to the video, guy. Da> Da> I was just ticked off at the insinuation that the riots don't matter. DC> Yeah, those are _actually_ a really small part of DC> what's happening. Believe whatever you want. I won't attempt to talk reason with you. I really hope you don't learn the hard way. I spent yesterday helping with the cleanup while the national guard was down the street. I have a number of friends who own businesses that were ravaged. I'll be spending the weekend doing the same thing. I'm sure it was all in my mind though. You can keep watching your cesspress coverage now. Don't mind me. Da> DC> The "riots" are due to an extreme minority of people. Da> DC> The vast, vast majority are peacefully protesting. Da> Da> The narrative that the riots are mostly peaceful is part of a Da> misinformation campaign by the press. Placing quotes around the word Da> riots shows you don't question it. The left has turned into what they Da> hate and don't even realize it. DC> What nonsense. Have you been there? Have you seen what's DC> happening? Are you asking if I've been to every city? No. Have you? DC> Riots by definition aren't peaceful, but what's _actually_ DC> happening is that, in the vast, vast majority of cases, it's DC> people who are out peacefully protesting, as is their right DC> under the Constitution. I'm all for protesting. It's part of what makes this country great. It's quite unfortunate that you believe everything your press tells you. Blinded. DC> Trying to paint _all_ protesters with the "riot" brush is DC> at best misleading and more likely deliberate. I'm not, youre putting words in my mouth. I'm talking about the rioters. The damage being done isn't at the hand of a few. It is widespread and thorough. Repeating a false claim doesn't make it any more true. DC> I've been to protests and seen the vast bulk of people DC> behaving peacefully and with good intent. A small number DC> sometimes turn up to cause trouble. Yet all the attention DC> is heaped on the relatively small number of trouble DC> makers. I'm glad you've been to protests and delighted that you are safe. What exactly are you protesting? Da> I hope that changes. DC> I hope you people on the right wake up and start respecting DC> the rights of the citizenry. You're being ignorant. We're angry about the rioting, looting, killing and how it is being largely ignored and minimized. You're talking as if nothing seriously wrong is occuring. You think that what's happening in the present day is largely peaceful. Your experience is peaceful thankfully, but the damage speaks a different story. The left has been protesting ever since the unelectable Hillary lost in 2016. If we were mad about anything it was the lies, ignorance, and hypocracy of leftist demands. What I'd like to see, primarily, is classical liberals disowning the far left movement because they have wrecked your party. Da> While many of the people have been arrested, the cities released them Da> without bail the same evening so they returned to cause mayhem. And if Da> you believe the riots are a small group of people, consider the mass Da> damage these people managed to do. Take a look at all the looting that Da> has been occuring in NYC. I read 900 people were arrested and quickly Da> released in NYC alone. This is not an extreme minority. You'd like to Da> think it's mostly peaceful but some of these large cities are saying Da> that their police force is overwhelmed and asking for military Da> assistance. Peaceful protests don't lose control. DC> The way the NYPD usually works is that, _if_ a protest gets DC> out of hand, they corral a large number of people into an DC> enclosed space, take them into custody, and then process them: DC> the vast bulk are never charged and released immediately. DC> This is simply more efficient than trying to pick the DC> perpetrators out in-situ. Many of the perps arrested for rioting were released. DC> I've heard this old saw of "the police feel overwhelmed" many DC> times, and I call shenanigans. The military doesn't exist to DC> cater to the fantasies of right-wing would-be authoritarians. By every accout, NYC has lost complete control of the streets over, by your repeated exaggeration, a few people. DC> Even Pat Robertson told Trump he's gone too far cracking down DC> on protesters, and now the Generals are coming out and rebuking DC> him publicly. It sure took Mattis long enough, though. DC> So what's it going to be: everyone else is wrong and Trump is DC> right, or the much more likely explanation that Trump's an DC> idiot? I have been quite critical of Trump for his emotional tweets this last week. But, the problem with the stanc eof the left is they have a view that the president is the only person responsible for what happens in the coutry. They ignore the fact that there's many layers of government elected below him responsible for their areas. The coutnry is intensely complex and, yet, when problems occur they never seem to blame their officials for the failings unless, of course, the president is a democrat. Da> My city, Sacramento, has had over fifty small businesses destroyed the Da> last week and it's considered relatively peaceful. in my town, most of Da> the protests, during the day, are peaceful. It's only after dark that Da> the looting occurs. But if you listen to the press, it's only a few. Da> Ridiculous. DC> Is it, though? Things have changed, at least in Sacramento. The groups attempted to create mayhem in some of our suburban areas but were obviously unaware that they are strong second amendment areas. It was short lived. Curfews were imposed only after the rioting caused serious problems. Newsom also lives nearby. While we dislike his politics, the organizations behind this mess are allied with him. He, nor his Aunt, wont let them shit where he eats. Listen, I don't care what you believe, have at it. What happened to Floyd was a travesty for many reasons: 1. He was brutally murdered so casually, in the light of day, and surrouded by witnesses. 2. The police department attempted to qwell dissent with the cliche 'the officer was fired and the situation is under investigation,' 3. They arrested the officer four days later only after being pressured by elected officials. Meanwhile, they utilized excessive police assets to protect him during those days. 4. The murderer has had many reports of abuse in the past and never lost his job or faced charges. 5. Institutional corruption in face of the coroner's autopsy report stating that he died from something other than asphyxia. They followed it with 'blood tests' knowing that these test can drag on, they hoped people would forget. Why wouldn't they? The press' audience has a very short memory span. They've learned to rely on it. 6. More than a week passed for charges to be set for the other officers who simply stood there as if nothing was wrong. They even helped with the murder. 7. Not one witness felt compelled to pull the officer off Floyd. They just yelled while recording the video. 8, Floyd's own family pleaded, on national tv, for people to quit rioting and looting. Their words fell on deaf ears. 8. The second amendment exists particularly for this sort of situation. I've been outraged in the past from police corruption. One situation involved a gentleman in Fresno, California who posted often on police corruption. One day he reported about a van parked across the street from his house with the door open and an officer pointing surveillance gear at his house. This sort of harassment spooked him and it was reported on social media with fears that his life was in danger. He was later found charred after his house was set on fire. It was reported that he was stabbed multiple times but the autopsy report was unclear if it was the fire or the wounds that killed him. Attempted coverup of a law enforcement led murder. Another story involved a retired CIA agent who was pursued by police. He had been working as a consultant for the CIA and was transporting top secret material. Fearing that the chain of custody of his assets were in jeapardy. he called his contact at the CIA to have them call the police off. After he pulled over, he got out of his car as ordered. He reached in his back pocket to show his credentials and they shot him. They casually stood over him as he bled out and only called the medics after he expired. People would argue that they felt he was pulling a weapon but he was wearing slacks and a button up shirt. Back pockets aren't typical holster locations and it would've been obvious he was unarmed. It was cold blooded murder. There are many stories but that's two. If you've been protesting, as you claim, I hope you are doing so for institutional reform of law enforcement and reinforced citizen protection from police brutality. If this is true, I'm completely behind you. Stay safe, Daniel Traechin .... Visit me at gopher://gcpp.world --- MultiMail/Linux v0.49 * Origin: Digital Distortion: digdist.synchro.net (1:340/7) .