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(???) n 01 Mar 2017, at 11:34, Mateusz Viste <mateusz@nospam.viste.fr> wrote
(???) Shortly said, if we assume that the entire CA business is worthless, then
(???) so is SSL.
(???) unny you should say that - I've always held the opinion that SSL/TLS is completely worthless the way it's currently implemented. Just think about it - what if you had to prove your identity to some foreign company and pay a yearly payment just to set up an SSH server?
(???) nyway, I did the TLS implementation to Gophernicus just as an example just in case someone wants to develop a client for it. It's been discussed long enough and I thought it's time for some actual working code - nevermind that I really don't like the way CA's and TLS/SSL work.
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(IMG) think DNSSEC was designed for this very issue. DNSSEC + SSL ought to
(DOC) o the trick, no?
(???) eff W.
(???) ateusz Viste <mateusz@nospam.viste.fr> wrote:
(???) ..
(???) Shortly said, if we assume that the entire CA business is worthless, then
(???) so is SSL.
(???)
(???) On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 23:15:54 -0800, Bradley D. Thornton wrote:
(???) > ..
(???) > SSL ensures that you have an encrypted connection, and I am a proponent
(???) > of the notion that all HTTP traffic should take advantage of this,
(???) > especially in light of the fact that search engines now routinely index
(???) > secure content, and SNI is the way of the name based virtual hosting in
(???) > the connnectionless oriented browsing environment.
(???) >
(???) > If everyone would just once and for all realize that SSL never has
(???) > verified that you are talking to who the cert says you're talking to,
(???) > and only that you are talking to an end point via and encrypted session,
(???) > there would be much less hype over whether everyone should be able to
(???) > have encrypted communications for free.
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(???) n 3/1/2017 1:34 AM, Mateusz Viste wrote:
(???) It would seem you are contradicting yourself. If SSL is not able to
(???) guarantee "who am I talking to", then the whole encryption point is moot.
(???) Doing a MITM on SSL is easy if you disregard the CA part of the scheme -
(???) myself, I did it many times (for good reasons!). It's as trivial as
(???) setting up a SSL proxy with a fake CA. Yes, encryption is there, between
(???) the client and my proxy. Then, it may also be present between my proxy
(???) and the destination server, but on the proxy itself I can comfortably
(???) dump your credit card number.
(???)
(???) Shortly said, if we assume that the entire CA business is worthless, then
(???) so is SSL.
(???) m.... No I don't think I did say anything contradictory - at least not
(???) ith respect to your point above, which by the way, Mateusz, is spot on.
(IMG) just didn't come right out and say what you just did :)
(???) nd I concur with what Kim said too here:
(???) snip>
(???) unny you should say that - I've always held the opinion that SSL/TLS is completely worthless the way it's currently implemented. Just think about it - what if you had to prove your identity to some foreign company and pay a yearly payment just to set up an SSH server?
(???) /snip>
(IMG) think my point was that the extortion scheme, as a result of LE, is
(???) rumbling, because they never assured the user of anything really
(SND) ubstantial in the first place and were profiting on FUD (FUD, as coined
(???) y Dr. Amdahl).
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(???) radley
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(PHO) 017-02-07 16:18 GMT+01:00 Walter Vermeir <wvermeir@gmail.com>:
(???) 2017-02-07 15:45 GMT+01:00 Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com>:
(???) >
(???) > > 2) And can there not a solution been found for whatever the reason is
(???) > and
(???) > > can someone submit it to the Play-store?
(???) >
(???) > People are welcome to, but I'd prefer the name and contact information w=
(???) s
(???) > different, because I can't provide support. Kevin did something like thi=
(SND)
(???) > with a modified build, which is perfectly fine with me.
(???) >
(???)
(???)
(???) Because Kevin has made a slightly more advanced version of the Gopher App
(???) and you give your permission it would be a good match if Kevin would be s=
(???)
(???) good to take the burden to do the Google Play store submission
(???) administration.
(???)
(???) If there are no volunteers I am willing to (try) to submit it but I think
(???) it would be better if a programmer does that.
(???)
(???) I attempted to submit the Gopher app to the Android store but that will
(???) ot work. It is indeed a complex procedure. I looked at the guide about it
(???) nd I do not think I would be able to do that as non-programmer.
(???) nd to try it I need to pay $25 for a developers account at Google.
(???) o ... no Gopher app in de play store yet.
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(???) NU/Lin=C5=AD: Because a PC is a terrible thing to waste.
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(???) div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2017=
(???) 02-07 16:18 GMT+01:00 Walter Vermeir <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mail=
(???) o:wvermeir@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">wvermeir@gmail.com</a>></span>:=
(???) br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-lef=
(???) :1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_ext=
(???) a"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><span class=3D"">2017-02-07 15:45 GMT+01:00 =
(???) ameron Kaiser <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:spectre@floodgap.com=
(???) target=3D"_blank">spectre@floodgap.com</a>></span>:<blockquote class=
(???) 3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rg=
(???) (204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D"m_7657532937960993223gmail-=
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(???) gt; 2) And can there not a solution been found for whatever the reason is =
(???) nd<br>
(???) gt; can someone submit it to the Play-store?<br>
(???) br>
(???) /span>People are welcome to, but I'd prefer the name and contact infor=
(???) ation was<br>
(DOC) ifferent, because I can't provide support. Kevin did something like th=
s<br>
(???) ith a modified build, which is perfectly fine with me.<br></blockquote><di=
(???) ><br></div><div><br></div></span><div>Because Kevin has made a slightly mo=
(???) e advanced version of the Gopher App and you give your permission it would=
(???) be a good match if Kevin would be so good to take the burden to do the Goo=
(GIF) le Play store submission administration.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>If=
(???) there are no volunteers I am willing to (try) to submit it but I think it =
(???) ould be better if a programmer does that.</div></div></div></div></blockqu=
(???) te><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0I attempted to submit the Goph=
(???) r app to the Android store but that will not work. It is indeed a complex =
(PNG) rocedure. I looked at the guide about it and I do not think I would be abl=
(???) to do that as non-programmer.</div><div><br></div><div>And to try it I ne=
(???) d to pay =C2=A0$25 for a developers account at Google.</div><div><br></div=
(???) <div>So ... no Gopher app in de play store yet.</div></div><div><br></div>=
(???) - <br><div class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature">GN=
(???) /Lin=C5=AD: Because a PC is a terrible thing to waste.</div>
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(???) n 3/8/2017 8:08 AM, Walter Vermeir wrote:
(???)
(???)
(???) I attempted to submit the Gopher app to the Android store but that
(???) will not work. It is indeed a complex procedure. I looked at the guide
(???) about it and I do not think I would be able to do that as non-programmer.
(???)
(???) And to try it I need to pay $25 for a developers account at Google.
(???)
(???) So ... no Gopher app in de play store yet.
(???) i Walter,
(TN3) his is FOSS, so instead of the gplay store, why not create a github
(???) epo (if there isn't one already for this) and submit it to F-Droid?
(IMG) know I've mentioned this before in some thread here, not sure if it
(???) as to you or not :)
(???) t https://f-droid.org/contribute/ the following is stated (screenie
(???) ollows):
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(???) ere is the inclusion policy - it's pretty simple and straight-forward
(???) Must be FOSS):
(HTM) ttps://f-droid.org/wiki/page/Inclusion_Policy
(TN3) he manual (in various convenient formats) is here:
(HTM) ttps://f-droid.org/manual/
(TN3) he new forums are here: https://forum.f-droid.org/
(???) nd more information on submissions are here: https://gitlab.com/fdroid/rfp
(???) ood luck with your submission and thanks for offering to make the app
(???) vailable in a repo for Android users!
(???) indest regards,
(???) radley