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(???) ubject: [gopher] Gophernicus 2.0-alpha "for Workgroups" released
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(???) owdy,
(IMG) just released an alpha version of Gophernicus 2.0, The One Gopher Server to rule them all. This version is not a total rewrite as the 2.x version would suggest but simply has lots of new features that may or may not break stuff. Configuration is identical so this should be a drop-in upgrade from 1.x.
(???) ew major features are Linux systemd support, TCP wrappers support for IP black/whitelists, offical support for Debian 8, CentOS 7, Mac OSX El Capitan, detection of Linux hardware vendor/name, Xen VMs and Gentoo versions.
(IMG) 'm also using this opportunity to make a controversial change to increase the default page width to 76 chars. OMG OMG OMG PANIC THE WORLD WILL SURELY END NOW! Also releases have codenames now, and 2.0 is called "for Workgroups". I'm also seriosly thinking of doing what all the big software houses do, and drop the major part of version number (currently 2) so that this version would simply be called "0". Much easier for everyone to understand where we are going, right?
(TN3) his version is only called "alpha" because I broke the DEB package completely and it's currently disabled. I need to fix that to work with both inetd and systemd, and I'm thinking of making an offical RPM package as well before actually releasing 2.0 GA.
(???) hangeLog: gopher://gophernicus.org/0/software/gophernicus/ChangeLog
(IMG) NSTALL: gopher://gophernicus.org/0/software/gophernicus/INSTALL
(???) ownload: gopher://gophernicus.org/5/software/gophernicus/gophernicus-2.0-alpha.tar.gz
(???) TTP d/l: http://gophernicus.org/software/gophernicus/gophernicus-2.0-alpha.tar.gz
(???) it repo: http://gophernicus.org/git/gophernicus.git/
(???) lightly cleaned up ChangeLog:
(???) Kim
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Gopher Demise paper
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(???) aw this in the latest Dragonfly BSD news "lazy reading" list.
(???) ort of academic in tone but kind of interesting anyway..
(???) Where Have All the Gophers Gone?
(???) Why the Web Beat Gopher for Mindshare'
(???) http://ils.unc.edu/callee/gopherpaper.htm
(???) appy 2016!
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(???) ubject: [gopher] Another batch of Motsognir questions
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(???) ello and happy new year to all!
(IMG) have some further questions about how (and why) Motsognir works. Even
(???) hough I could send it directly to Mateusz, I'm asking here, because it
(???) ay help others in the future. I hope y'all don't mind.
(DIR) . external scripts
(???) n my gopher server I have bash, perl and PHP scripts and the do not
(???) ehave the same way. I include all of them in the gophermap using "=",
(???) ll of them have 755 permissions, but only PHP seems to work.
(TN3) o test it I placed this in the gophermap:
(???) test.pl
(???) test.sh
(???) test.php
(???) ll files had just a single line of code, printing "iTest.PL",
(???) iTest.SH" and "iTest.PHP". The resulting gophermap returned to client
(???) nly the output contained only PHP output, in /var/log/messages I found
(???) an 4 12:34:47 i-logout journal: motsognir [46.13.138.74][11235]:
(???) unning server-side app '/var/gopher/test.php'
(???) othing else. What am I missing? I can rewrite all scripts to PHP if I
(HTM) ave to, but isn't there another way?
(PHO) . directories outside GopherRoot
(???) hen using Gophernicus, I had some directories all over the filesystem
(SND) ymlinked to GopherRoot and listed through gopher. Motsognir seems to
(PNG) revent this because it thinks it is evasion attempt:
(???) an 4 12:50:44 i-logout journal: motsognir [46.13.138.74][11396]:
(???) equested resource: /software/ / Local resource: /var/gopher/software/
(???) an 4 12:50:44 i-logout journal: motsognir [46.13.138.74][11396]:
(???) vasion check: path '/var/gopher/software/' (/var/ftp/pub/) do not seem
(???) o belong to '/var/gopher/'
(???) an 4 12:50:44 i-logout journal: motsognir [46.13.138.74][11396]:
(???) vasion attempt. Forbidden!
(IMG) s this necessary? I can't imagine how there could be symlinked folder
(???) ithout my knowledge, so this could be probably allowed.
(TN3) hanks for the help.
(???) artin
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] Another batch of Motsognir questions
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(???) i Martin,
(DIR) . The extension of the file matters. Try renaming your *.sh to *.cgi -
(DOC) oes it work then? Do not forget to have the file marked as executable
(???) chmod +x) and declare a correct shebang inside it (#!/bin/sh)
(???) ow would you see it done another way? I'd be willing to adapt this if
(???) here's a way that would be significantly more user friendly.
(PHO) . Indeed motsognir doesn't allow to access anything that is not inside
(???) he gopher root, because... well, just because :) if something is not
nside the gopher root, then it's not supposed to be offered by gopher.
(IMG) f you think it would be useful, I can add a feature that would disable
(SND) ymlink resolution while performing evasion detection checks. OR - maybe
(???) etter - allow to declare a list of "gopher-served directories", where
(???) ou could declare all non-gopher-root directories that are likely to be
(SND) erved via symlinks - what do you think?
(???) ateusz
(???) n 04/01/2016 12:55, Martin Kukac wrote:
(???) Hello and happy new year to all!
(???)
(???) I have some further questions about how (and why) Motsognir works. Even
(???) though I could send it directly to Mateusz, I'm asking here, because it
(???) may help others in the future. I hope y'all don't mind.
(???)
(???) 1. external scripts
(???)
(???) On my gopher server I have bash, perl and PHP scripts and the do not
(???) behave the same way. I include all of them in the gophermap using "=",
(???) all of them have 755 permissions, but only PHP seems to work.
(???)
(???) To test it I placed this in the gophermap:
(???)
(???) =test.pl
(???) =test.sh
(???) =test.php
(???)
(???) All files had just a single line of code, printing "iTest.PL",
(???) "iTest.SH" and "iTest.PHP". The resulting gophermap returned to client
(???) only the output contained only PHP output, in /var/log/messages I found
(???)
(???) Jan 4 12:34:47 i-logout journal: motsognir [46.13.138.74][11235]:
(???) running server-side app '/var/gopher/test.php'
(???)
(???) Nothing else. What am I missing? I can rewrite all scripts to PHP if I
(???) have to, but isn't there another way?
(???)
(???)
(???) 2. directories outside GopherRoot
(???)
(???) When using Gophernicus, I had some directories all over the filesystem
(???) symlinked to GopherRoot and listed through gopher. Motsognir seems to
(???) prevent this because it thinks it is evasion attempt:
(???)
(???) Jan 4 12:50:44 i-logout journal: motsognir [46.13.138.74][11396]:
(???) Requested resource: /software/ / Local resource: /var/gopher/software/
(???) Jan 4 12:50:44 i-logout journal: motsognir [46.13.138.74][11396]:
(???) Evasion check: path '/var/gopher/software/' (/var/ftp/pub/) do not seem
(???) to belong to '/var/gopher/'
(???) Jan 4 12:50:44 i-logout journal: motsognir [46.13.138.74][11396]:
(???) Evasion attempt. Forbidden!
(???)
(???) Is this necessary? I can't imagine how there could be symlinked folder
(???) without my knowledge, so this could be probably allowed.
(???)
(???) Thanks for the help.
(???)
(???) Martin
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] Another batch of Motsognir questions
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(???) ello Mateusz,
(???) hanks for the quick response.
(DIR) . Even though I'm from Mac back on PC for most of the time, I still
(???) orget about extensions :-) Scripts had the correct permissions, correct
(SND) hebang and when I tried to run them from bash, they worked. Gophernicus
(???) pparently didn't care about extensions and just used whatever output
(???) xecutable file returned. After renaming to *.cgi everything works, so
(???) or me it's solved.
(PHO) . For me both variants are OK, the list of "gopher-served directories"
(SND) ounds more secure though, so I would go with that.
(???) artin
(???) n 01/04/2016 01:29 PM, Mateusz Viste wrote:
(???) Hi Martin,
(???)
(???) 1. The extension of the file matters. Try renaming your *.sh to *.cgi -
(???) does it work then? Do not forget to have the file marked as executable
(???) (chmod +x) and declare a correct shebang inside it (#!/bin/sh)
(???) How would you see it done another way? I'd be willing to adapt this if
(???) there's a way that would be significantly more user friendly.
(???)
(???) 2. Indeed motsognir doesn't allow to access anything that is not inside
(???) the gopher root, because... well, just because :) if something is not
(???) inside the gopher root, then it's not supposed to be offered by gopher.
(???)
(???) If you think it would be useful, I can add a feature that would disable
(???) symlink resolution while performing evasion detection checks. OR - maybe
(???) better - allow to declare a list of "gopher-served directories", where
(???) you could declare all non-gopher-root directories that are likely to be
(???) served via symlinks - what do you think?
(???)
(???) Mateusz
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???) On 04/01/2016 12:55, Martin Kukac wrote:
(???) > Hello and happy new year to all!
(???) >
(???) > I have some further questions about how (and why) Motsognir works. Even
(???) > though I could send it directly to Mateusz, I'm asking here, because it
(???) > may help others in the future. I hope y'all don't mind.
(???) >
(???) > 1. external scripts
(???) >
(???) > On my gopher server I have bash, perl and PHP scripts and the do not
(???) > behave the same way. I include all of them in the gophermap using "=",
(???) > all of them have 755 permissions, but only PHP seems to work.
(???) >
(???) > To test it I placed this in the gophermap:
(???) >
(???) > =test.pl
(???) > =test.sh
(???) > =test.php
(???) >
(???) > All files had just a single line of code, printing "iTest.PL",
(???) > "iTest.SH" and "iTest.PHP". The resulting gophermap returned to client
(???) > only the output contained only PHP output, in /var/log/messages I found
(???) >
(???) > Jan 4 12:34:47 i-logout journal: motsognir [46.13.138.74][11235]:
(???) > running server-side app '/var/gopher/test.php'
(???) >
(???) > Nothing else. What am I missing? I can rewrite all scripts to PHP if I
(???) > have to, but isn't there another way?
(???) >
(???) >
(???) > 2. directories outside GopherRoot
(???) >
(???) > When using Gophernicus, I had some directories all over the filesystem
(???) > symlinked to GopherRoot and listed through gopher. Motsognir seems to
(???) > prevent this because it thinks it is evasion attempt:
(???) >
(???) > Jan 4 12:50:44 i-logout journal: motsognir [46.13.138.74][11396]:
(???) > Requested resource: /software/ / Local resource: /var/gopher/software/
(???) > Jan 4 12:50:44 i-logout journal: motsognir [46.13.138.74][11396]:
(???) > Evasion check: path '/var/gopher/software/' (/var/ftp/pub/) do not seem
(???) > to belong to '/var/gopher/'
(???) > Jan 4 12:50:44 i-logout journal: motsognir [46.13.138.74][11396]:
(???) > Evasion attempt. Forbidden!
(???) >
(???) > Is this necessary? I can't imagine how there could be symlinked folder
(???) > without my knowledge, so this could be probably allowed.
(???) >
(???) > Thanks for the help.
(???) >
(???) > Martin
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] Another batch of Motsognir questions
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(???) ep, things work slightly differently with Gophernicus. It doesn't use the .cgi extension but needs a /cgi-bin/ directory for scripts - the exception being that you can run scripts from inside gophermaps anywhere you want. And I did consider the symlink security thing back when I was coding that part of Gophernicus and decided against any checking because as long as you keep your directory access rights correct there's no security problem.
(???) ecurity is always a compromise vs conveniency (is that a word? :D), and we just chose different paths
(???) Kim
(???) On 04 Jan 2016, at 16:20, Martin Kukac <logout128@gmail.com> wrote:
(???)
(???) Hello Mateusz,
(???)
(???) thanks for the quick response.
(???)
(???) 1. Even though I'm from Mac back on PC for most of the time, I still forget about extensions :-) Scripts had the correct permissions, correct shebang and when I tried to run them from bash, they worked. Gophernicus apparently didn't care about extensions and just used whatever output executable file returned. After renaming to *.cgi everything works, so for me it's solved.
(???)
(???) 2. For me both variants are OK, the list of "gopher-served directories" sounds more secure though, so I would go with that.
(???)
(???) Martin
(???)
(???)
(???)
(???) On 01/04/2016 01:29 PM, Mateusz Viste wrote:
(???) > Hi Martin,
(???) >
(???) > 1. The extension of the file matters. Try renaming your *.sh to *.cgi -
(???) > does it work then? Do not forget to have the file marked as executable
(???) > (chmod +x) and declare a correct shebang inside it (#!/bin/sh)
(???) > How would you see it done another way? I'd be willing to adapt this if
(???) > there's a way that would be significantly more user friendly.
(???) >
(???) > 2. Indeed motsognir doesn't allow to access anything that is not inside
(???) > the gopher root, because... well, just because :) if something is not
(???) > inside the gopher root, then it's not supposed to be offered by gopher.
(???) >
(???) > If you think it would be useful, I can add a feature that would disable
(???) > symlink resolution while performing evasion detection checks. OR - maybe
(???) > better - allow to declare a list of "gopher-served directories", where
(???) > you could declare all non-gopher-root directories that are likely to be
(???) > served via symlinks - what do you think?
(???) >
(???) > Mateusz
(???) >
(???) >
(???) >
(???) > On 04/01/2016 12:55, Martin Kukac wrote:
(???) >> Hello and happy new year to all!
(???) >>
(???) >> I have some further questions about how (and why) Motsognir works. Even
(???) >> though I could send it directly to Mateusz, I'm asking here, because it
(???) >> may help others in the future. I hope y'all don't mind.
(???) >>
(???) >> 1. external scripts
(???) >>
(???) >> On my gopher server I have bash, perl and PHP scripts and the do not
(???) >> behave the same way. I include all of them in the gophermap using "=",
(???) >> all of them have 755 permissions, but only PHP seems to work.
(???) >>
(???) >> To test it I placed this in the gophermap:
(???) >>
(???) >> =test.pl
(???) >> =test.sh
(???) >> =test.php
(???) >>
(???) >> All files had just a single line of code, printing "iTest.PL",
(???) >> "iTest.SH" and "iTest.PHP". The resulting gophermap returned to client
(???) >> only the output contained only PHP output, in /var/log/messages I found
(???) >>
(???) >> Jan 4 12:34:47 i-logout journal: motsognir [46.13.138.74][11235]:
(???) >> running server-side app '/var/gopher/test.php'
(???) >>
(???) >> Nothing else. What am I missing? I can rewrite all scripts to PHP if I
(???) >> have to, but isn't there another way?
(???) >>
(???) >>
(???) >> 2. directories outside GopherRoot
(???) >>
(???) >> When using Gophernicus, I had some directories all over the filesystem
(???) >> symlinked to GopherRoot and listed through gopher. Motsognir seems to
(???) >> prevent this because it thinks it is evasion attempt:
(???) >>
(???) >> Jan 4 12:50:44 i-logout journal: motsognir [46.13.138.74][11396]:
(???) >> Requested resource: /software/ / Local resource: /var/gopher/software/
(???) >> Jan 4 12:50:44 i-logout journal: motsognir [46.13.138.74][11396]:
(???) >> Evasion check: path '/var/gopher/software/' (/var/ftp/pub/) do not seem
(???) >> to belong to '/var/gopher/'
(???) >> Jan 4 12:50:44 i-logout journal: motsognir [46.13.138.74][11396]:
(???) >> Evasion attempt. Forbidden!
(???) >>
(???) >> Is this necessary? I can't imagine how there could be symlinked folder
(???) >> without my knowledge, so this could be probably allowed.
(???) >>
(???) >> Thanks for the help.
(???) >>
(???) >> Martin
(???)
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(???) i all,
(IMG) 'm new here, this is my first post. Cameron (Floodgap) pointed me to
(HTM) ere. I had no idea there was a mailing list like this, so I am not up
(???) o date on Gopher developments by the community.
(IMG) 've been obsessed by the Gopher protocol for about a year now and
(???) anted to learn developing JavaFX apps in Java, so that was a good
(???) ombination. Therefore, I've stared working on a Gopher GUI client.
(IMG) 've posted an early screenshot on Twitter:
(HTM) ttps://twitter.com/vintzend/status/683710791271497728 (yes I should
(HTM) ave posted it on my gopherspace too, will do soon). Note that I didn't
(SND) pend much time on the layout out yet, I first want the thing to be
(SND) table.
(???) ight now the GUI-stuff works (tabs, back/next....) and I am adding
(SND) upport for more and more Gopher items (right now menu and text files
(???) re working), I plan to add as much gopher types as I can. Other
(???) eatures that I've planned are good bookmark management, keeping history
(???) nd I'll do my best to make it highly configurable.
(IMG) know Java is not popular on the desktop anymore, but I believe it'll
(???) e possible to release executables for Windows and Mac (not sure of
(???) inux), not really looked into that yet. I plan to release the source on
(???) itHub, once I have ironed out some bugs.
(???) et me know if you have ideas for new features or want to share your
(???) pinion.
(???) ind regards from The Netherlands,
(???) incent
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(???) I know Java is not popular on the desktop anymore, but I believe it'll
(???) be possible to release executables for Windows and Mac (not sure of
(???) Linux), not really looked into that yet. I plan to release the source on
(???) GitHub, once I have ironed out some bugs.
(IMG) actually like the idea of a Java client, but Java 8 is certainly a higher
(???) ar. Is there the possibility of getting it running on something earlier?
(???) any Power Macs, for example, are limited to 1.5.
(???) -
(???) ----------------------------------- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
(???) Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com
(???) - Quoth the Web Server, "404!" -----------------------------------------------
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ll do some testing on debian ppc!..if youre not into making bloatware.
(???) Date: Mon=2C 4 Jan 2016 19:57:52 -0700
(???) From: kevin@veroneau.net
(???) To: gopher4all@fastmail.com=3B gopher-project@lists.alioth.debian.org
(???) Subject: Re: [gopher] New desktop GUI Gopher Client (Java) in development
(???) =20
(???) Great to hear that a modern desktop Gopher client is in development. Loo=
(???) s great so far. I can be your Linux gopherpig for testing it out on the L=
nux desktop. I use Linux both at home(Debian) and at work(RHEL6). My wor=
(???) actively uses Java for our Web development=2C so the JDK is naturally alr=
(???) ady installed. I currently use OverbiteFF on my desktop systems to browse=
(???) and search gopherspace.
(???) =20
(???) Best Regards=2C
(???) Kevin Veroneau
(???) =20
(???) Original Message =20
(???) From:gopher4all@fastmail.com
(???) Sent:January 4=2C 2016 7:50 PM
(???) To:gopher-project@lists.alioth.debian.org
(???) Subject:[gopher] New desktop GUI Gopher Client (Java) in development
(???) =20
(???) Hi all=2C
(???) =20
(???) I'm new here=2C this is my first post. Cameron (Floodgap) pointed me to
(???) here. I had no idea there was a mailing list like this=2C so I am not up
(???) to date on Gopher developments by the community.
(???) =20
(???) I've been obsessed by the Gopher protocol for about a year now and
(???) wanted to learn developing JavaFX apps in Java=2C so that was a good
(???) combination. Therefore=2C I've stared working on a Gopher GUI client.
(???) =20
(???) I've posted an early screenshot on Twitter:
(???) https://twitter.com/vintzend/status/683710791271497728 (yes I should
(???) have posted it on my gopherspace too=2C will do soon). Note that I didn't
(???) spend much time on the layout out yet=2C I first want the thing to be
(???) stable.
(???) =20
(???) Right now the GUI-stuff works (tabs=2C back/next....) and I am adding
(???) support for more and more Gopher items (right now menu and text files
(???) are working)=2C I plan to add as much gopher types as I can. Other
(???) features that I've planned are good bookmark management=2C keeping histor=
(???)
(???) and I'll do my best to make it highly configurable.
(???) =20
(???) I know Java is not popular on the desktop anymore=2C but I believe it'll
(???) be possible to release executables for Windows and Mac (not sure of
(???) Linux)=2C not really looked into that yet. I plan to release the source o=
(???)
(???) GitHub=2C once I have ironed out some bugs.
(???) =20
(???) Let me know if you have ideas for new features or want to share your
(???) opinion.
(???) =20
(???) Kind regards from The Netherlands=2C
(???) Vincent
(???) =20
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(???) aving being a sysadmin for living I absolutely *hate* anything =
(???) ava-related... but I agree that in this gopher market situation :D it's =
(PNG) robably the best bet (SDL/C being the other possibility but with =
(???) bsolutely no native controls).
(IMG) can help with converting the Java shi^W app to a proper Mac .app =
(???) undle (icon in Dock etc). Macs are happy if you just have a bigg'ish =
(???) pp icon like 128x128, rest of the bundle is just a dir and a couple of =
(???) etadata files.
(???) Kim
(???) On 05 Jan 2016, at 05:17, barana . <barana24@hotmail.com> wrote:
(???) =20
(???) ill do some testing on debian ppc!..if youre not into making =
(???) loatware.
(???) =20
(???) > Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 19:57:52 -0700
(???) > From: kevin@veroneau.net <mailto:kevin@veroneau.net>
(???) > To: gopher4all@fastmail.com <mailto:gopher4all@fastmail.com>; =
(GIF) opher-project@lists.alioth.debian.org =
(???) mailto:gopher-project@lists.alioth.debian.org>
(???) > Subject: Re: [gopher] New desktop GUI Gopher Client (Java) in =
(DOC) evelopment
(???) >=20
(???) > Great to hear that a modern desktop Gopher client is in development. =
(???) Looks great so far. I can be your Linux gopherpig for testing it out =
(???) n the Linux desktop. I use Linux both at home(Debian) and at =
(???) ork(RHEL6). My work actively uses Java for our Web development, so the =
(???) DK is naturally already installed. I currently use OverbiteFF on my =
(DOC) esktop systems to browse and search gopherspace.
(???) >=20
(???) > Best Regards,
(???) > Kevin Veroneau
(???) >=20
(???) > Original Message =20
(???) > From:gopher4all@fastmail.com <http://fastmail.com/>
(???) > Sent:January 4, 2016 7:50 PM
(???) > To:gopher-project@lists.alioth.debian.org =
(???) mailto:project@lists.alioth.debian.org>
(???) > Subject:[gopher] New desktop GUI Gopher Client (Java) in development
(???) >=20
(???) > Hi all,
(???) >=20
(???) > I'm new here, this is my first post. Cameron (Floodgap) pointed me =
(???) o
(???) > here. I had no idea there was a mailing list like this, so I am not =
(???) p
(???) > to date on Gopher developments by the community.
(???) >=20
(???) > I've been obsessed by the Gopher protocol for about a year now and
(???) > wanted to learn developing JavaFX apps in Java, so that was a good
(???) > combination. Therefore, I've stared working on a Gopher GUI client.
(???) >=20
(???) > I've posted an early screenshot on Twitter:
(???) > https://twitter.com/vintzend/status/683710791271497728 =
(???) https://twitter.com/vintzend/status/683710791271497728> (yes I should
(???) > have posted it on my gopherspace too, will do soon). Note that I =
(DOC) idn't
(???) > spend much time on the layout out yet, I first want the thing to be
(???) > stable.
(???) >=20
(???) > Right now the GUI-stuff works (tabs, back/next....) and I am adding
(???) > support for more and more Gopher items (right now menu and text =
(???) iles
(???) > are working), I plan to add as much gopher types as I can. Other
(???) > features that I've planned are good bookmark management, keeping =
(HTM) istory
(???) > and I'll do my best to make it highly configurable.
(???) >=20
(???) > I know Java is not popular on the desktop anymore, but I believe =
t'll
(???) > be possible to release executables for Windows and Mac (not sure of
(???) > Linux), not really looked into that yet. I plan to release the =
(SND) ource on
(???) > GitHub, once I have ironed out some bugs.
(???) >=20
(???) > Let me know if you have ideas for new features or want to share your
(???) > opinion.
(???) >=20
(???) > Kind regards from The Netherlands,
(???) > Vincent
(???) >=20
(???) > _______________________________________________
(???) > Gopher-Project mailing list
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(???) lass=3D""><div class=3D"">Having being a sysadmin for living I =
(???) bsolutely *hate* anything Java-related... but I agree that in this =
(GIF) opher market situation :D it's probably the best bet (SDL/C being the =
(???) ther possibility but with absolutely no native controls).</div><div =
(???) lass=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I can help with =
(???) onverting the Java shi^W app to a proper Mac .app bundle (icon in Dock =
(???) tc). Macs are happy if you just have a bigg'ish app icon like 128x128, =
(???) est of the bundle is just a dir and a couple of metadata =
(???) iles.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br =
(???) lass=3D""></div><div class=3D"">- Kim</div><div class=3D""><br =
(???) lass=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br =
(???) lass=3D""></div><br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
(???) lass=3D""><div class=3D"">On 05 Jan 2016, at 05:17, barana . <<a =
(HTM) ref=3D"mailto:barana24@hotmail.com" =
(???) lass=3D"">barana24@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br =
(???) lass=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
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(???) webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D"">ill do some testing on =
(DOC) ebian ppc!..if youre not into making bloatware.<div class=3D""><br =
(???) lass=3D""><div class=3D"">> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 19:57:52 -0700<br =
(???) lass=3D"">> From:<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a=
(???) href=3D"mailto:kevin@veroneau.net" class=3D"">kevin@veroneau.net</a><br =
(???) lass=3D"">> To:<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
(HTM) ref=3D"mailto:gopher4all@fastmail.com" =
(???) lass=3D"">gopher4all@fastmail.com</a>;<span =
(???) lass=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
(HTM) ref=3D"mailto:gopher-project@lists.alioth.debian.org" =
(???) lass=3D"">gopher-project@lists.alioth.debian.org</a><br class=3D"">> =
(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] New desktop GUI Gopher Client (Java) in =
(DOC) evelopment<br class=3D"">><span =
(???) lass=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=3D"">> Great =
(???) o hear that a modern desktop Gopher client is in development. =
(???) nbsp;Looks great so far. I can be your Linux gopherpig for =
(???) esting it out on the Linux desktop. I use Linux both at =
(HTM) ome(Debian) and at work(RHEL6). My work actively uses Java for =
(???) ur Web development, so the JDK is naturally already installed. I =
(???) urrently use OverbiteFF on my desktop systems to browse and search =
(GIF) opherspace.<br class=3D"">><span =
(???) lass=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=3D"">> Best =
(???) egards,<br class=3D"">> Kevin Veroneau<br class=3D"">><span =
(???) lass=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=3D"">> =
(???) riginal Message <br class=3D"">> From:gopher4all@<a =
(HTM) ref=3D"http://fastmail.com/" class=3D"">fastmail.com</a><br =
(???) lass=3D"">> Sent:January 4, 2016 7:50 PM<br class=3D"">> =
(TN3) o:gopher-<a href=3D"mailto:project@lists.alioth.debian.org" =
(???) lass=3D"">project@lists.alioth.debian.org</a><br class=3D"">> =
(???) ubject:[gopher] New desktop GUI Gopher Client (Java) in development<br =
(???) lass=3D"">><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br =
(???) lass=3D"">> Hi all,<br class=3D"">><span =
(???) lass=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=3D"">> I'm new =
(HTM) ere, this is my first post. Cameron (Floodgap) pointed me to<br =
(???) lass=3D"">> here. I had no idea there was a mailing list like this, =
(SND) o I am not up<br class=3D"">> to date on Gopher developments by the =
(???) ommunity.<br class=3D"">><span =
(???) lass=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=3D"">> I've =
(???) een obsessed by the Gopher protocol for about a year now and<br =
(???) lass=3D"">> wanted to learn developing JavaFX apps in Java, so that =
(???) as a good<br class=3D"">> combination. Therefore, I've stared =
(???) orking on a Gopher GUI client.<br class=3D"">><span =
(???) lass=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=3D"">> I've =
(PNG) osted an early screenshot on Twitter:<br class=3D"">><span =
(???) lass=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
(HTM) ref=3D"https://twitter.com/vintzend/status/683710791271497728" =
(???) lass=3D"">https://twitter.com/vintzend/status/683710791271497728</a><span=
(???) class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>(yes I should<br =
(???) lass=3D"">> have posted it on my gopherspace too, will do soon). =
(???) ote that I didn't<br class=3D"">> spend much time on the layout out =
(???) et, I first want the thing to be<br class=3D"">> stable.<br =
(???) lass=3D"">><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br =
(???) lass=3D"">> Right now the GUI-stuff works (tabs, back/next....) and =
(IMG) am adding<br class=3D"">> support for more and more Gopher items =
(???) right now menu and text files<br class=3D"">> are working), I plan =
(???) o add as much gopher types as I can. Other<br class=3D"">> features =
(???) hat I've planned are good bookmark management, keeping history<br =
(???) lass=3D"">> and I'll do my best to make it highly configurable.<br =
(???) lass=3D"">><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br =
(???) lass=3D"">> I know Java is not popular on the desktop anymore, but I =
(???) elieve it'll<br class=3D"">> be possible to release executables for =
(???) indows and Mac (not sure of<br class=3D"">> Linux), not really =
(???) ooked into that yet. I plan to release the source on<br class=3D"">> =
(???) itHub, once I have ironed out some bugs.<br class=3D"">><span =
(???) lass=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=3D"">> Let me =
(???) now if you have ideas for new features or want to share your<br =
(???) lass=3D"">> opinion.<br class=3D"">><span =
(???) lass=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=3D"">> Kind =
(???) egards from The Netherlands,<br class=3D"">> Vincent<br =
(???) lass=3D"">><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br =
(???) lass=3D"">> _______________________________________________<br =
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] New desktop GUI Gopher Client (Java) in development
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(SND) dl... yes good route.. the amiga os4 fellas will probably do a port if you=
(???) use this library as it is running on AmigaOS 4.1.6+
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(???) ubject: Re: [gopher] New desktop GUI Gopher Client (Java) in development
(???) aving being a sysadmin for living I absolutely *hate* anything Java-relate=
(DOC) ... but I agree that in this gopher market situation :D it's probably the =
(???) est bet (SDL/C being the other possibility but with absolutely no native c=
(???) ntrols).
(IMG) can help with converting the Java shi^W app to a proper Mac .app bundle (=
con in Dock etc). Macs are happy if you just have a bigg'ish app icon like=
(???) 128x128=2C rest of the bundle is just a dir and a couple of metadata files=